they were very much in love, very close. >> reporter: in fact, mike and debbie even worked together,st across the state border in kingsport, tennessee. the two operate the purple cow, a quirky and popular drive-through fast food joint known for its signature steak bomb, dancing hot dogs, and cows that greet you at the curb. here's mike on the purple cow's yelp page, boasting, i have been in the food industry since i was 15 years old. my love for food is great. >> he prided himself in that, mike. he is a terrific cook, but they had a tremendous business. >> they both were the ones that prepped the food. they worked long hours. >> reporter: but it turns out that sociable, hard-working couple has a dark past. mike, the friendly burger flipping owner of the purple cow is none other than michael warren whose wife marlene was gunned down 14 years earlier by that killer dressed as a clown. as for debbie, she's actually sheila keen, the person police suspected of being that killer clown, who despite circumstantial evidence pointing her way was never charged with the crime. >> even some of th

shut down">debbi ling is the office manager here at tuttle's pharmacy<debbi ling: "so we have been open filling prescriptions until 9 o'clock and our pharmacist quite frankly hasn't gone home in a week. he has actually been sleeping here. we are so far behind our regular patients and refills because we have been helping everybody that has been coming in off of the street">that kind of commitment is appreciated by santa rosa residentsdave boyce/tuttle's pharmacy customer: "we are very fortunate to have the pharmacy in our community and in our neighborhood. the primary pharmacists has been since the start of this crisis and it doesn't look like they are going home any time soon">which means a lot considering the people who work here have been impacted by the fire like debbi ling's mother in-law's home after helping to resettle her in-laws debbi was right back here at tuttle's in santa rosa haaziq mady

as for debbie, she's actually sheila keen, the person police suspected of being that killer clown, whonce pointing her way was never charged with the crime. >> even some of the investigators in the case were surprised that there was no indictment, because everything sort of lined up, pointing to sheila keen being the clown, and michael warren somehow being involved, but it was all circumstantial. >> reporter: still, there's something astonishing authorities in florida may not have known. when mike warren gets out of prison after serving more than three years on that odometer fraud conviction, he and keen hook up in the marriage capital of the world. that's right -- vegas! in a tait -- tasteful and understated ceremony at the little white wedding chapel in 2002, michael marries sheila, his former alleged mistress, and the prime suspect in his wife's death. >> the weird thing is that they would hang together that long,start a business, get married as if nothing ever happened. it takes a certain amount of nerve to do it that way. >> reporter: and for 15 years, the two love birds make thei

thank four joining us. >> pleasure. >> i'll start with you debbie the legal aspect. the case. >> sure. >> and how prosecutor goes about building a case. we knew these indictments were coming and paul manafort and mr. gates. but it seems to me and you tell me on the surface here that what we heard and heard from his attorney that none of this proves russia medaling in election collusion with the trump campaign. where do you see this. >> exactly the charges that were filed today are just basically money laundering charges and they're charges of failing to report that you had income and that you put offshore. >> typically the way you start with the indictments you don't go after big fish first. >> that's generally the case. you try to build a case. most commonly the way people are used to charges in many snaps paul manafort was treated like a drug defendant with the raids and seizing but you're building from the lower people up. you're not starting at the top. and working your way down. so that's exactly what they're doing and also the fact that even though manafort had

debbie yi follows a path like no other.ency room doctor at university of california, san francisco. the personal and painful history that got her here began here, 14 years ago. debbie was sharing a new york city apartment with her sister and best friend, christine. debbie had recently been working as an investment banking analyst when she got some terrifying news. >> my sister, christine, was in a toerrible accident. she was hit by a train -- a subway train in new york. she tripped on the subway platform and landed in the area between two subway cars. and the train began to drive away and she was still on the track. >> her heart stopped at one point? >> yes, her heart stopped. she stopped breathing. and a surgical intern provided breaths to her and brought her back to life. >> reporter: dr. toni mclaurin was the orthopedic surgeon on call when christine arrived, her right leg was completely shattered below the knee. >> she had an injury that we sort of refer to as a "mangled extremity." it tells you not only is the bone bro

as for debbie, she's actually sheila keane. the person police suspected of being that killer clown, who despite circumstantial evidence pointing her way was never charged with the crime. but palm beach county authorities say this case was still on their radar, and last month they were finally ready to arrest their key suspect, debbie. >> our agency received a call in regards to the murder of an individual that occurred back in 1990. >> reporter: on september 26th, a trap is set after the warrens are spotted leaving their home in their cadillac suv. >> the vehicles were strategically placed along various locations and observed the black cadillac escalade as it was traveling. >> reporter: the couple's escalade stopped and surrounded as her husband michael looks on, sheila placed in custody. the breakthrough authorities say was through something that didn't exist back in 1990. sophisticated dna testing. >> police in florida arresting a female suspect -- >> reporter: sheila warren's arrest makes headlines nationwide. >> detectives

chairwoman debbie. wasserman schultz denied to congressional investigators having any knowledge of that dossier that it was being compiled reports this week though exposed information the clinton campaign and the d.n.c. paid outside sources to gather damning information on then candidate trump so for more on this let's turn now to our political panel for the evening we have a hall and cookie is the new host of the big picture and andrea kay she is a conservative talk show host hello folks good evening andrea over to you first john podesta debbie wassermann schultz they say they were unaware of who funded that dossier they both said that before congressional investigators do you see any way possible that the dust and and wasserman schultz who was then head of the d.n.c. could have been left out of the loop like this. absolutely not i mean you know what i find absolutely incredulous is that they would actually think that anybody would believe them at this point or believe anything that they have to say sa

debbie is also the founder of america's mighty warriors. debbie, good to see you.about your son and what happened. >> thank you. mark was the first navy seal that was killed in iraq on august 2, 2006. amazing, another example of one of ourself less warriors and heros. he stood up in the direct line of fire three different times that day willingly made the choice to give his life, to save the lives of his teammates and to give us the freedoms that we enjoy in america each and every day. it was a little over 11 years since we lost him and as a gold star mother, you learn ways to cope, you learn ways to manage the grief, but that grief never goes away. you always have an empty spot there and i miss him deeply every day and some days are harder than others but very proud of that young man and the choice that he made to give his life. >> liz: i mean, it's such a terrible loss for your family and for the country to lose a gentleman like your son. what did you think of what happened with the president and cnn airing this phone call? what is your reaction to that? >> you k

debbie douglas was diagnosed with breast cancer by ian paterson in 2003.d to him, is it curable? and he went, yes, it's curable. paterson told her she needed one of the most expensive operations he could bill for. she then needed further reconstructive surgery. now, debbie has been told it was all unnecessary. how do you feel about the whole process now? just totally angry and sad. i saw the scars after i knew i didn't need it as mutilation. i actually looked in the mirror, and instead of thinking, i've now got this badge of honour because i have gone through breast cancer and survived, what i actually saw was, he has mutilated my body. debbie was one of more than 700 patients harmed by paterson in spire healthcare‘s private hospitals. the offender deliberately misrepresented the contents of pathology, exaggerated the risk of cancer, and advised and carried out unnecessary surgery, including mastectomies. time and time again, paterson chose the most expensive procedures. often, he ignored cheaper and safer alternatives. he lied to patients and he maximised

well now even senator susan collins is saying that john podesta and disgraced former dnc chair deb debbie wasserman schultz, they need to retestify before congress about the phony clinton-russian lying dossier that was meant to influence the american people on the eve of an election. watch this. >> they absolutely need to be recalled. it's difficult to imagine that a campaign chairman, that the head of the dnc would not know of an expenditure of this magnitude and significance. but, perhaps there's something more going on here. but, certainly, it's worth additional questioning of those two witnesses. >> sean: you need to know there is no chance that over

debbie wasserman schultz says there's no knowledge of it. hillary's spokesperson had no knowledge of it. i wonder about donna brazil. she was vice chair. she played shenanigans and got hillary the debate questions. wonder what her role is. was hillary been asked about this, judge? anyone ask hillary about this? >> jeanine: isn't it interesting? we've not heard from hillary in the past few days. >> she's on her book tour, judge. she's doing a book tour. how about someone hasn't called her and asked her? >> jeanine: i thought she was maybe in the woods with that dog again. let me ask you this. if even leon panetta, tammy, is now saying, yeah, maybe we ought to look at this, does this now take away some of the steam? shouldn't we now recognize that over the last year, all the talk about collusion and trump and russia, not one iota of evidence now the noose is getting tighter and the evidence is becoming obvious. >> real evidence. the thing mr. panetta called "awkward" is when podesta in front of congress with mark elias sitting next to him who

without money from that sale, they don't know if they'll be a able to afford to keep debbie's mother's house in the family. >> going down to city hall, filing for, um, civil hearing to get ejectment. >> reporter: mcgee's spent the past week filing for an emergency hearing having the squatters served with court documents and they've hired a lawyer. they spent thousands of dollars. they say the people claim to have a lease. >> it's a crime. they're trespassing. they broke into our house, they were not authorized to occupy that house. if they were defrauded, i shouldn't pay the penalty. >> reporter: and the mcgees will be in court on november 6th. it is ironically the same day councilman tauber berger who they have been working with is holding a hearing on a resolution involving squatters. lucy. >> it's an absolutely amazing that squatters have rights. i don't get it. >> more rights than the people who actually hold the deed to the home. >> makes no sense. hopefully they can get it work out. shawnette, thank you so much. >>> after two days of searching allentown police have arrest add man

. >> meredith mcgee hee is talkin about this effort, debbie in albuquerque, new mexico, hi there. >>. >> caller: i haven't called in in a long time but the idea was everybody stood back and make z zukerburg, now you come along and say, well, anybody can post on it. anything they want, and you're mad because uneducated people believe this. so you're going to regulate facebook because people aren't educated enough to say, gee, maybe this isn't true? that's your logic behind this instead of bolstering education so people look at other sources, i'm on facebook. the idea that i would get my news on facebook, i find hysterical. i see people post all sorts of stuff and i get a kick out of it. but the idea that you're upset because america isn't smart enough to figure out maybe this isn't real so you're going to regulate a public slam book called facebook because you don't like the way things turned out because basically as a country we're not that smart anymore. >> got you, debbie. we'll let our guest respond. >> first of all, i want to say hello because i went to high school in albuquerque.

i thought he would go too far. >> debbie was scared of tony.reason to harm melissa. >> they couldn't put him in the garage? >> absolutely not. >> the thoughts were starting to connect. they shared their suspicions with debra and the evidence of the traveling iphone pointed to tony. >> i remember i couldn't stand up. i can't able to stand on my feet. >> melissa's murder was devastating and frightening for everyone. especially for scott. only the week before he was toefitoef i toefing melissa after making her a partner. >> i could look out from the podium and see a sea of lawyers. >> including scott? >> including scott rothstein. he came to the funeral home and paid for everything. >> three days after the funeral, detectives arrested tony. he was charged with first-degree murder. >> he denied involvement in this. >> tony's attorney is bruce fletcher. >> they sought the death penalty. >> they were confident they had a solid case against tony, but something happened to threw the investigation into free fall. that's because new crimes were about to

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but now we also know clinton's campaign chairman john podesta and former dnc chairwoman debbie wasserman schultz both privately told congressional russian investigators they did not know about any argument -- agreement to pay fusion gps for opposition research on donald trump. they gave those interviews before the news broke this week that the clinton campaign and dnc were behind some of the payments. watch what white house counselor kelly m conway told bret baier last night on special report. >> the last time they spent several million dollars and couldn't figure out whether or not they paid a foreign national to dig up dirt on their opponent, that just doesn't happen. it is not going to cast the small test for many americans but want to be curious and ironic. >> harris: meanwhile, mark alias who worked for the law firm that hired fusion gps was so the next to podesta when he was interviewed by lawmakers. former cia director who once served as white house chief of staff for bill clinton was asked about it. >> it makes the situation very awkward. if you are testifying and saying you have

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can't find much more about the stories we're following at our website the address is debbie debbie debbie del al-jazeera dot com. let's take another quick look at the top stories u.s. president donald trump has laid out an aggressive new strategy on i won but he didn't pull the us out of the nuclear deal struck in july twenty fifteen he wants congress to find a way to punish iran for its ballistic missile program in addition to its nuclear activities and he said he will not certify that iran is complying with the deal which he has to do every ninety days. we cannot and will not make this certification we will not continue down a path whose predictable conclusion is more violence more terror and the very real threat of iran's nuclear breakout that is why i am directing my administration to work closely with congress and our allies to address the deal's many serious flaws so that the iranian regime can never threaten the world with nuclear weapons iran's president has me has been quick to hit back saying from speech was full of false statements of base this claim he says tehran will stick t

debbie wasserman schultz had no knowledge of this. john podesta, hillary spokesperson had no knowledge. i wonder -- she played this shenanigans and got hillary the debate customs. i wonder what her role is and has anyone asked hilary about this? >> jeanine: isn't it interesting that we have not heard from hillary in the past few days? >> she's on her book tour, judge. how about somebody hasn't called and asked her about it? >> jeanine: she must be in the woods with that dog again. even leon panetta is saying maybe we ought to look at this. does this now take away some of the steam? should we recognize that for all the talk in the last year about collusion and trump and russia, not one iota of evidence but now, it's almost like the noose is getting tighter and evidence is becoming pretty obvious. >> the thing mr. panetta called awkward was when podesta said mark elias sitting next to him facilitating all of this, when he no idea, and the man who was managing at, personal attorney was the manager. this is where you realize that this is

debbie wasserman schultz saying she didn't know about it. now we hear john podesta saying he didn't know about the funding. where do you think it's going in your response to it. there are many criticizing, saying it's a diversion. but there are real substantive changes. >> it has turned around. the president made it clear yesterday. he has been saying that for a while. here's what people want to focus on. if we had said collusion, collusion, russia. it's a complete hoax, as the president said. you turn it around and you realize you have the clinton campaign and dnc working with a foreign national, mr. steele. and russia is involved. people need to know you draw a straight line between two things. one is the obama administration looked the other way when russian interests were trying to get a foothold here during hillary clinton's tenure at the state department. that was in one or two articles. bill clinton gave a very expensive speech in russia and soon thereafter hillary clinton was sitting on the board of a group. she had decision-making p

actually, debbie walsh man met in september, and discussed the issue about the funding that led to the creation of this trump dossier. now they were asked explicitly at this interview, we are told, about whether they had any knowledge of the clinton campaign or the democratic national committee in funding this opposition research that led to this dossier. they both denied having any knowledge whatsoever. in fact, poe des toe we are told he had no knowledge of contractual relationship between the clinton campaign and fusion gps which is the firm that led to the production of that trump dossier. now of course we have now learned this week that the clinton campaign and the dnc did pay for that fusion gps. but, brooke, it had actually retained a separate law firm to actually go ahead and retain fusion gps as a client giving it some deny ability. now, what is also interesting here, brooke, is that the attorney who did retain fusion gps as a client, mark a lie as, was sitting alongside john podesta during this interview in which he denied having any knowledge of having clinton campaign ties

debbie will be presenting the results of their findings and their investigation very shortly people be waiting to see what they present at that time in russia will be open to continuing the investigation according to their ambassador after the findings are presented. thanks kind of that was that kind of thing for us there in new he'll. i mean controversial civil rescue group of white helmets claims to save more lives in syria this time on the outskirts of the capital damascus which came on the rocket fire the questions are imaginary but the groups in the cities and the states in the country as you report. this is the newest you tube video of the syria civil defense group aka the white helmets they're saving lives after a rocket attack on a residential area just to the east of damascus so says the description i'm not trying to say they've been doing a bad job at rescuing but there are things that can destroy a reputation even if it's been built on saving lives social networks will show. how to look at the page of some a wearing a white helmet and his profile pic just hottest for the sak

without money from that sale, they don't know if they'll be able to afford to keep debbie's mother's house in the family. >> going down to city hall, filing for civil hearing to get the ejectment. >> reporter: mcgee's spent the past week filing for an emergency hearing having the squatters served with court documents and they've fired a lawyer. they spend thousands of dollars. they say the people claim to have a lease. >> it's a crime. they're trespassing. they broke into our house. they were not towardsed to occupy that house. if they were defrauded, i shouldn't pay the penalty. >> reporter: so the mcgee's are headed to court on november 6th. ironically, the the same day that councilman taubenberger who they've been work with asking for help will be holding a hearing on resolution for stiffer penalties on squatters and to try and give police more authority over this issue. iain. so we'll stay on top of it and let you know how this turns out. long battle ahead of them. >> absolutelabsolutely. it's just incredible. shawnette, thank you. after two days of searching allentown police arr

and debbie wasserman-schultz.he lying to congress about not knowing about the money from the dnc for the trump dossier. why did she keep a pakistani and his family with limited experience and he's now charged with bank fraud and moving money out of this country. and interrupting the democratic process steering the nomination from bernie sanders to her girlfriends hillary clinton. andrew mccabe must go. his wife a congressional candidate running with hillary in 2016 received $765,000 which unused money left over from the campaign she is allowed to pocket. which she got from terry mcall live, onmcall -- mcall i mcaulie directors of the clinton foundation. finally, everyone on see fuss who i -- everyone on cfius who l our uranium to russia. they need to be put under oath. what monies did they receive in connection with their activities with the foundation. this nation has been fractured as clinton, obama, the democrats, sanctimonious adam schiff accusing donald trump and his family of colluding with the russians. the

now let's bring in debbie wasserman-schultz. she was the chairwoman on the democratic national committee. here she is poking fun at reince priebus during the republican national convention. ryan is, i'm in cleveland if you need another chair to keep your convention in order. debbie got busted rigging the primary against bernie and she didn't survive to make it to her own convention. >> the head of the democratic national committee resigning in the wake of a release of emails by wikileaks. jesse: here was hillary clinton two weeks before the election wishing herself a happy birthday. happy birthday to this future president. that, my friends was a tweet that did not age well. joining me now is the executive vice president of the trump organization and son of president trump, eric trump. what do you think about some of those tweets? >> it's laughable. happy birthday to the future president. that's the exact reason she didn't win. remember when she:had the stage under the glass ceiling. they had fireworks. they spent more time desig

sources are now telling cnn that former clinton campaign john podesta and debbie wasserman schultz both deny to investigators that they knew about arrangements to pay for opposition research on donald trump during the campaign. that research led to the now infamous dossier alleging ties between mr. trump and russia. >>> also breaking, a public health emergency declared by president trump to help combat the opioid crisis. mr. trump is fulfilling a long-time promise which he often made while campaigning for president. his move stops short of calling for a national emergency but health experts are still praising the president's move. >>> and we're also learning new details tonight about the u.s. navy's newest submarine which could play a growing threat by north korea and it can gather intelligence and deploy navy s.e.a.l.s and could be ready to join the u.s. fleet by next year. we're covering all of that and much more at this hour with our guests, including congressman eric swalwell. let's begin with the president's declaration of a national health emergency. our senior correspondent jeff

start off with the dnc server and have debbie wasserman schultz explain her relationship with the alman brothers. and find russian collusion and intelligence involvement and will foreign contact and control. look at that little gang running e-mail on servers from debbie wasserman schultz and 40 other democratic members and then ask the republican leadership why they are not saying the same thing i am right now? they are lejet mate evidence. correct. >> lou: chris, this is beyond comprehepgz that burr continues act like a. he's been warner's lackey here. it is appalling to watch and certainly someone in his staff or family should point out to the good senator that you look awfully foolish. >> it is it embarrassing. i don't know how he gets up and makes those presentations and let's warner go on his tyrailed. it is it disrespectful tol his own office and a shame. >> lou: great to have you with us. i wish we had more time and we have a lot more to discuss in the next few days. >> sure thing, lou. >> lou: robert luler expanding not just investigating so- call would russian collusion with th

. >> what about former dnc chairwoman debbie wasserman schultz? what did she tell the senate intelligence committee. >> we're learning for the first time she did meet earlier this month and she made a similar case. she was asked directly about whether or not the dnc had these similar ties to fusion gps. she said she had no knowledge of that either. she said pretty clearly that she did not. first time we're learning that she even met with the investigators let alone saying that there was no dnc connection. but i can tell you now that we do there is some, there's a very good chance that she could come back for further questions because at that point that was not a big bulk of the interview but it could be if investigators want to call her back for further questioning. >> appreciate that. coming up next we'll hear directly from the former -- breaking news that's a quarter century in the making. the government releasing documents from the kennedy assassination files. the the president holding back some of them. the question is why and will that fuel c

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calling on john podesta, former dnc chair debbie wasserman schultz and others to testify before the senate intelligence committee. >> it is difficult to imagine that a campaign chairman, and the head the dnc would not know of an expenditure of this magnitude in significant, but perhaps there's something more going on here. >> clinton's campaign used fusion gps opposition research on the president. cheryl: for more on this in the latest mobile investigation, criminal defense attorney and prosecutor david or no. good morning. first off come making the speculation this morning. he was indicted, arrested today. a couple of big names out there. versus paul manafort, one of the bigger names being floated around in general michael flynn. of those two names, we will start with paul manafort. 50/50, 37 day we will see manafort today. >> not to put a specific number on it, but the fact that search warrant executed on his home earlier this year is a good sign. for this search warrant to be authorized from there has to be determination of probable cause that evidence of crime would be in place. that i

schultz, explain her relationship with th the -- awoe in brothers, they running e-mail servers for debbie wassermann schultz, about 40 other democratic members. and then ask republican leadership where they are not saying the same thing that i am right now, these are legitimate open counter intelligence questions, we have real evidence of bad actors. lou: and chris, this is just, beyond comprehension. that burr continues t to act lie a -- he continues to look like warner's lackey here, someone should point out, you look foolish. >> it is embarrassing, i don't know how he gets up and makes those presentations, and lets warner go on his tirade. it is really disrespectful to his own office, it a shame. lou: yeah. chris farrell, great to have you with us, which we had time. we have more to discuss. >> sure, thank you. lou: we're coming right back, a lot more to cover, a lineup of guests, including noted conservative best seller author americani -- pat buchanan on th, for the to subvert the president trump presidency. >> president trump and first lady in las vegas. >> a very sad thing. we're g

and i think the people who interviewed debbie wasserman schultz and mr. and you are representing john podesta and podesta is either pretending or actually doesn't know that $9 million or maybe more than that has been spent to get this dossier and move christopher steele's investigation forward, let's say he was that in the dark, which i find extremely hard to believe, is he extremely hands on. extremely experienced. your lawyer is sitting there knows evidently engineered the entire thing, but he is representing a client. i mean, has the lawyer -- by the way, rather than me ask questions, i might as well just tell you it was my idea. that didn't happen. but the whole thing is beyond belief. i never thought the result of this investigation by "the washington post" that revealed this and somehow they got this information we imagine from fusion g.p.s. i never thought the answer would be "i don't know. i never knew." brian fallon, "i didn't know" i'm the spokes personal. hillary clinton? i don't know. i didn't ask her. ainsley: can i understand why the spokes