commissioner dejesus: you are right. it is in both. >> i think when there is charges filed but they have not been sustained, there is a worrying that is done of the seriousness and the strength of the evidence to decide if it is not fully determined. commissioner dejesus: misconduct charges are filed for a felony conviction for theft. that seems like a no-bring a. that covers moral turpitude. does that fall into the area where the committee will weigh in? >> the balancing is only under administrative matters that have not been adjudicated. >> we're talking about felony convictions of moral turpitude. it is my understanding a police officer cannot be a police officer with a felony conviction because they are not able to carry a firearm under the laws of california and the united states code. commissioner dejesus: it is more of a misdemeanor shoplifting case? charges are filed, but you have a misdemeanor case pending? that will go to a committee and the committee will decide whether that is moral turpitude? and are there g

commissioner dejesus: that's fine. that's fine. >> i was more explaining where those warrants are coming from and where the additional charges for the rebookings happened. commissioner dejesus: no problem. >> next slide, this is for number 2, aggregate for 2, and 3, these are the numbers you are asking for. for the month of july, there are 76. 76, 63, and 10. i know the numbers of interest are of the level 3. of the level 3s, if you total those two months, there were a total of 19 charges there. of those, there was some additional research done on there, because we wanted to know what those numbers were, and there were 15 of those 19 had felony convictions outside of san francisco. and 11-19 of those arrests also had arrests in other states. so those lefrl 3 convictions -- those level 3 con vicks -- convictions may have had other kinds of arrests. commissioner dejesus: were they misdemeanor misdemeanors? were they felonies as well? >> they were felonies as well. let's go to the slides mple the agriculture gates were --

commissioner dejesus: why?president marshall: i thought the intent was not to do stuff we can do at a regular meeting. commissioner chan: i'm wondering for number 6, communication with the commeef and -- with the chief and director hicks, does that fit under the personnel description for you? >> it is hard to know from this description. if you evaluating, they are communications with the commission. you might be able to put that in under the personnel evaluation. you may be able to limit the discussion and keep it within the scope of the closed session. you obviously have a separate item for both the o.c.c. director and the chief. commissioner kingsley: maybe we should talk about whether we need a closed session or not? commissioner chan: not the agenda has to be ready, just the notice of the meeting. >> the agenda is still subject. president marshall: thank you. thank you lieutenant. anything further? job well done. president marshall: i know what i'm doing. i'm did kidding. i'm kidding. so then we will take p

commissioner dejesus: so it is our rule? >> yes. commissioner dejesus: i have one more question and then i see other commissioners have questions. for the commissioners to divest the patrol specials and let them move as a private entity, let's say that happens, do the patrol officers keep their beats? because beats are property right. do they maintain those beats? if they were divested, would they be like regular security and just stay there? >> that's a great question. the city attorney's office could go through that with you, because that would be something they could handle and not us. yes, they do have property rights on that. i think you are getting into a very, very arduous area when you allow private citizens to act with authority on your streets. one of the problems with that is patrol specials are hired by private villages. the preist villages do not own the -- the private individuals do not own the street. the city owns the street. the city maintains the street. this issue of patroling streets, is not a good one. why shoul

did you have questions, commissioner dejesus? commissioner dejesus: no. >> we can get through the diagrams, if you want. commissioner dejesus: i think you should go ahead and finish your presentation for those of us that are not as aware of this as mrs. chan. >> we look at the august numbers. these are similar sortings. again, if you compare these back to june, they are similar numbers. let's go to the next slide. these are the matches according to the gender. 14 female and 22 -- for 123 male. and then for the month of august . one of the concerns is juvenile matches. the statistics there. we were able to gather that information this time a little better than i think we were last time. the juvenile sorts were july vs. adults, and then juvenile matches for august as well. interestingly enough, it is pretty consistent. commissioner dejesus: i'm looking at the matches by race. hispanic is large. 71%. do we know what their population is in the jail? >> i do not. commissioner chan: the population is like 20 -- >> actually, my next top

commissioner dejesus: what is 6, 7, 8, and 9? commissioner chan: that is the ratio of the breakdown, age, gender, race, et cetera. >> and the police department does not have that information that is provided to us by them. the only thing we received is whether it is a match as it goes through, but we don't necessarily do anything with that information. president marshall: do you want to ask questions as he goes forward? >> i have my closing comments. commissioner chan: sure, go ahead. >> i would like to thank the i.d. tags for gathering this information. while some were entering the statistics manually so we could pull the statistics out into electronic sheets, the other teches were keeping up with the regular workload of the information, and i estimated approximately 200 man hours spread between 18 personnel went into gathering these statistics in the course of the last two months. so thank you. any questions? president marshall: thank you. commissioner chan. commissioner chan: thank you for your time in putting this together. t

commissioner dejesus: i appreciate that. i think i got it. commissioner chan: in general, when you look at the toe talt of the city -- totality of the city, and you have 818,000 people in your total population, and you think of the number businesses in the city, the security services provided to the patrool specials, while important to their product clients is very limited when you think of the private security. it is a small number we are talking b not to diminish their importance, but it is a small number. commissioner dejesus: the benefit they are giving now is to private citizens, not to the city as a whole. when you say the patrol specials don't fit into the vision of the police department, is that what you are focusing on? >> sure. that part of it, indeed. but the bigger part is, in order to fit under the missions, visions, and values of the san francisco police department and the commission, they need to be part of it. they need to be working with that entity. they need to be under that direction and control. so if you think of you kno

president marshall: i tell you what -- commissioner dejesus: no, let me finish. here when the first priority list was set, and so was commissioner marshall. we kept saying, what happened to my issue? what happened to my issue? we tried to prior ties -- prioritize them. but it wasn't set in concrete. we also put things in as they came up. we know the marijuana issue is on in november. we know if that passes, it is going to probably require changes to our bulletin and how we do things. we also now from the presentation that i have that i am interested in what kind of training the department is currently getting. i think there are changes that need to be made to the bulletin right now. that is something that needs to be on the priority list. which ever way the wind blows, there are still issues to be depelt dealt with -- to be dealt with on that bulletin. so that's an item we should be prepared to deal with. so i like the idea of having what we know is on the horizon and stuff. i just don't want to get locked on to a bangkok where it is not -- into a box where it is

commissioner dejesus: the action item would be approving it?missioner chan: my understanding about policy is that usually the occ -- we let the public timon and see what what they see are the flaws. it is more like a hearing on the report. but if the occ needs time to review -- >> commander mahoney will most likely be back for the presentation so he can shed light on some of the issues. >> we were just going to be here to discuss the policy that you have in front of you. what you have been given is the policy we have in hand so we can entertain any discussion on changes, amendments, what ever. >> stop. i really believe that it is within our prerogative. i was not one that agreed to that. i thought it was proposed policy. it should be made clear to the public that it has not been approved by this commission. my understanding is that it was the same way we always do it, we meet and confer with the occ, the aclu or whatever. recommendations are made, and we decide what the policy is. maybe i'm wrong, but someone needs to correct me. >> that is rig

commissioner dejesus: second. president marshall: so ordered. item 11. >> lastly, item 11 is adjournment, for which we need a motion. commissioner hammer: so moved. >> second. president marshall: the meeting is adjourned. thank you very much. >> thank you, commissioners. the police commission concludes business at 8:15 p.m. commissioner chan: good night. [whereupon at 8:15, the proceedings were adjourned]

commissioner dejesus: second. president marshall: so ordered. item 11. >> lastly, item 11 is adjournment, for which we need a motion. commissioner hammer: so moved. >> second. president marshall: the meeting is adjourned. thank you very much. >> thank you, commissioners. the police commission concludes business at 8:15 p.m. commissioner chan: good night. [whereupon at 8:15, the proceedings were adjourned] there is really, only one boy... one girl... one tree... one forest... one deep, dancing ocean... one mountain calling... one handful of sand through our fingers... one endless sky overhead... and one simple way to care for it all. please visit earthshare.org and learn how the world's leading environmental groups are working together under one name. earth share. one environment...

commissioner dejesus: second. president marshall: so ordered. item 11. >> lastly, item 11 is adjournment, for which we need a motion. commissioner hammer: so moved. >> second. president marshall: the meeting is adjourned. thank you very much. >> thank you, commissioners. the police commission concludes business at 8:15 p.m. commissioner chan: good night. [whereupon at 8:15, the proceedings were adjourned] >> about four years ago, [inaudible] look at how beautiful this was. there is our relationship to the planet. these regions are the wealthiest, the most powerful. that really has impacted the planet. it is almost impossible now to go anywhere and had it really be completely dark. there are very few locations that you can find. that means our relationship to the sky, there is a way where we dominate the sky. we cannot see anything really. we are blinding ourselves in a way. >> you can look at the images, they are beautiful. when i started four years ago, there was a conversation about environmental issues that was very diffe.

commissioner dejesus: second. president marshall: so ordered. item 11. >> lastly, item 11 is adjournment, for which we need a motion. commissioner hammer: so moved. >> second. president marshall: the meeting is adjourned. thank you very much. >> thank you, commissioners. the police commission concludes business at 8:15 p.m. commissioner chan: good night. [whereupon at 8:15, the proceedings were adjourned] >> in this fabulously beautiful persidio national park and near golden gate and running like a scar is this ugly highway. that was built in 1936 at the same time as the bridge and at that time the presidio was an army and they didn't want civilians on their turf. and the road was built high. >> we need access and you have a 70 year-old facility that's inadequate for today's transportation needs. and in addition to that, you have the problem that it wasn't for site extenders. >> the rating for the high viaduct is a higher rating than that collapsed. and it was sapped quite

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idea, and commissioner dejesus has something very important, and i am glad they are working with the police department. it is our police department of their cleaning up the mess every night. president marshall: i am a little confused. i was under the impression that they did want to this meeting, and also, they would communicate with the inspector. >> this was a call out of the blue to me, n.i.i. passing on what commissioner audrey joseph pass on to me. she is going on a trip. -- and i am passing on what commissioner audrey joseph passed on to me. that is exactly what i heard, commissioner. president marshall: lt. reilly, he is the official contact for the commission. secretary reilly: the indications to me were yes, positive, and i followed up with a letter because the matter had to go before of their entire commission, which was scheduled to do. however, that did not occur, as of right now, there is no date set. commissioner: a letter to the director? secretary reilly: to the director. i did not get any indication as to why it did not go before them last night. president marshall: