the social democratic party or the democratic party here. social democratic party is, all of them have taken a hit since the economic collapse. there has not been this reaction that you are describing that they may be perfectly rational. who should you be mad at because you are out of work? not obamacare. it does not go into effect until 2014. tavis: it does not equate for me. >> it is not clicking. tavis: since you are covering the presidential race and writing this blog, where do you think this conversation about austerity and scarcity is going to go in the presidential race? if he pulls this off, given his background, given who obama is and who romney is, where does the conversation about austerity and scarcity go? >> mitt romney has staked out a position where he wants to prevent the emergence of an entitlement society. i am not sure he realizes fully what he is saying. there has been a study that came out this last week showing that 90% of entitlement spending does not go to poor people. it goes to all people, it goes to people who are

led in part, actually, by disgruntled democrats, by the same group of democrats who had opposed franklin roosevelt for the nomination in 1932. as well as conservative republicans. and it was financed by, actually, mostly by one particular family. not the rockefellers but a family about as rich. the duponts. exactly, it was the dupont brothers who were the big money behind the american liberty league, and it spent about $1 million. peanuts today but very big money for an independent political organization in 1936. although it's the forerunner of modern conservative organizations -- it did not itself survive for not prizing reasons the election of 1936. roosevelt's campaign manager was who? anybody know? very famous name. >> no, howe was out of the picture by this time. i think he had died by this time. very, very familiar name to all of you. james farley, the famous politico of the new deal. he made a famous prediction, right? anybody know what his prediction was? most famous prediction in political history. fdr would win every state except? maine and vermont. and guess what? fdr wins eve

i happen to have a democrat here, bruce felt, who is one of those democrats.ce, you did not vote here but you voted nearby here and you're a democrat. >> correct. >> who did you vote for? >> i voted for rick santorum. >> what's the reason? >> i think he's by far the weakest candidate. mitt romney has done a lot of harm writing his editorial letting michigan go bankrupt. we want mitt romney to go bankrupt. >> rick santorum winning is the best strategy for your candidate winning, barack obama. >> absolutely. >> when it comes to the issues i'm guessing rick santorum isn't necessarily along the lines of where you zblooef absolutely not. rick santorum is so far to the right, if he were to be elected by some fluke he would take this country back to the 18th century. >> people look at this and say, some people even democrats i talked to say give me a break. it is just wrong for a democrat to go and vote for somebody that they vehemently disagree with. >> that's their opinion. and they're welcome to have their opinion. but i think it's the right thing to do strategica

there's no democratic race as we know, so why not? you know, don't -- i say it's a dirty trick when it's being done against you, but it's smart strategy whether yn you are doi. remember rush limbaugh, he made a big show of make sure you go out and vote for hillary clinton if you are a republican in a state where you can keep the primary between obama and clinton going on for as long as position. it's nothing knew and romney condemning it because this could make a difference. to chuck's points, it's remarkable in a state that he was born and the first of 11 states to vote, michigan and new hampshire would have circled and -- we would have circled and say, romney is winning that. >> let's play a game here, let's say romney, chuck and chris, does not pull it out today. i'm told by top people in the republican party the money people, that the first thing that will happen is you will see a top to bottom shake up. a complete shake up in the romney organization. they will have to limp and play the delegate by delegate game. it's basically tr

democrats and 19 republicans. how did that happen? it happened because the republicans overshot the runway. they so saturateded florida with republican seats it is not sustainable. the only way republicans can really protect republicans and add republicans in florida, redistricting, is if they redistrict into bermuda and the caiman islands. they will try but we do have fair districts in florida and we're hopeful that -- and imagine we're going to court and hopeful that at the end of the process we'll have a good map. finally on that, even the republican maps that have come out in florida, because of the math, even the republican maps that have come out in florida give us seats. they have to because there are so many more democrats than republicans. so either way you cut it -- >> but still not as many as you would like and hope there. >> if every seat was a democratic seat -- >> well. >> we've also factored that in. there's never going to be a perfect environment. my job and the dccc's job is to create the best env

side to get the democrats in. he will blame everybody else. and joe and i have covered i don't know how many campaigns between us, and you too chris, i have not seen mitt romney improve as a candidate or as a campaign. this last week or so in michigan and down at the nascar event, for mitt romney was a nightmare. you had ford field and making fun of people with the cheap rain slickers. bragging about the owners he's friends with. just one disaster after another. for the professional politicians, they are wondering, we thought this guy was technically competent. he isn't even that right now. >> what's wrong to reach across the aisle to get democratic votes? >> i would go one further. he has gotten worse as a candidate. when he first came out, he was making a disciplined case against obama in terms of the economy. in terms of regulations and so on. he's become a mess. >> here he is. let's take a look. here's mitt romney conceding he's made some mistakes during the campaign. let's watch him. >> i'm very pleased with

guest: you talk to democratic governors. i know you do not have coordination with super pacs, but i am curious about the gap between republican and democratic super pacs. for the house and the senate and the presidency. they have traveled so far behind the republican counterparts. guest: this is what keeps me up at night. we have checked the box on everything, all our strategic objectives. the one that we still have to focus on is the fact that karl rove and the koch are bin going to come in with undisclosed numbers of money and knock this off our feet. the dccc outspent the rncc by $20 million dollars. they have had a head start. they have a donor network and they do not have to disclose who is contributing. we had in an adequate response to the super pacs in 2010. now we have allies that are standing up and developing a response in 2012. will they go dollar for dollar with republicans? no. but there will be a robust response that we lacked in 2010. guest: you think there is more money ready to be given? guest: i hope so. i

and that's a valuable lesson when it comes to 194 and the democratic -- 1948 and the democratic party is split once again. but he's still back in the senate, but who is he? he's given an assignment. look into all these military bases, defense contracting things we're doing to win the war against hitler in tojo. are we getting our bank for our -- bang for our buck? are we spending our money wisely? harry truman goes around, gets in his car at really no staff, no expense, delivers a remarkable report that, no, we're not. we're wasting a hell of a lot of money while our boys are fighting and dying in europe and north africa and in the south pacific, and we've got to stop it, and here's how. and people said, gee whiz, he did that intelligently, honestly and in a nonpartisan manner. maybe there's something to this harry truman guy. which takes us to 1944. franklin roosevelt is looking for a fourth term. the war's still on, and in 1940 he had dumped his vice president, john nance gardener, who had grown a bit too conservative for the new deal, and he puts in henry a. wallace, his secretary

, because it is pitched in a way that makes it sound like it is coming from democrats to democratic voters to get crossover and vote in the republican primary today against mitt romney because of his position on the auto bailout. and then at the very end there's a tag line saying this ad paid for by the rick santorum for president committee. so it's obviously a disingenuous ad, it's hypocrite call because santorum has the same position on the auto bailout as romney. and romney has found out about it, denounced it, it's in the news media today. now whether there's going to be a backlash against this or whether maybe it is happening too late to have an effect, we don't know. >> i'm also curious about the heavily negative attack ad. sometimes that can depress turnout. what do you think? >> well, attack ads generally do depress turnout, but on the other hand as you have been discussing, if the race is as close as it is and michigan seems to be as important as it is, that's going to be running counter to the vote turnout depression argument you're making. and that's going to get people to turn

of while democrats and black democrats. so, if you could eliminate the white democrats from that equation that really isolates the democratic party on a state level and national level in that region. so, that is really the core of the new southern strategy that i write about. host: it is called how the g.o.p. is resegregating the south. it is the february 20 cover story and available at thenation.com. sue joins us from shelbytown michig michigan. voted for obama but he has been a little bit of disappointment but the republicans really don't have anybody. as far as romney goes, i feel like he is out of touch. that his connection to the pacs like karl rove and the other one is newt gingrich and i feel like obama is going to win by default. i really like ron paul. everybody that i work with says if you vote for ron paul that is a vote for obama. but the republican party i'm just totally disillusioned with them. i really am. so as far as i'm concerned i feel like obama will probably get re-elected. host: stay on the line for a

i mean, had a democratic governor in '60. 1962, john sweenson takes over. george romney gets himself elected in '64 and remained in republican hands for quite a long time. i mean, it was a master stroke. how many votes romney carried -- i mean, there was no way of knowing when people voted that romney was going to become the hud secretary. it was a smooth move. >> the guy in the middle. >> in 1968 when nixon picked agnew, it defies common sense since vice presidency for nixon and johnson led to the nomination. and then the importance of 1960 johnson on the ticket. agnew just seems a puzzle being picked in 1960. all three of you should be able to comment on that. >> this is the question of why nixon chose agnew. the republican party in 1968 was not unified. this is very important. the republican party today is much more unified than it was in 1968. nixon could not choose a liberal because the conservatives had so much power. and he couldn't choose a conservative because there was still enough moderates and liberals. he couldn't choose therefore ronald reagan

right-wing republicans moved aggressively and the democrats responding to that. >> the democrats were offering some tax cuts that were smaller because they didn't think we could afford large tax cuts. nor did the think we could afford a situation where people pledged never to raise taxes again, no matter what. what you see is the democrats responding to a lot of the challenges of that time. ranging from energy, to health care. raised the minimum wage. did other things. they pushed for labor law reform but were not able to successfully overcome the filibuster. i think they were trying to come up with policies that responded to the challenges of the time. but they were divided among themselves, too. president carter had view of doing health care reform, step-by-step. senator kennedy felt that health care was the unfinished business of the country. so they differed among themselves, which often happens. that's healthy. but what you saw was the senate still actually managing to work together in a bipartisan way. a lot of the time. >> you speak in your book about mike man's -- mans feel. b

this is a democrat from west virginia, conservative democrat, former governor.e's in his own tough re-election battle in the past and yet he along with senator warner as you just indicated saying they are not going to go along with this. >> there's an intent -- there's a tension within the democratic party. today they had a caucus lunch, first time the full democratic caucus was going to be able to vet their frustration about this deal to leaders who had shaped it. and you had the senators from maryland, including carter who is a conferree stay tuned and give an impassioned speech what they believe is a systemic and sustained policy against federal workers and then you had other senators who stood up and said yes obviously we don't want to affect middle class americans or federal workers but we are continuing to add to our debt and build on our deficits and this affects our children and our grandchildren and in that exact moment when you had these two groups of democrats who are frustrated over this deal for two very separate reasons, it reveals the conversation

is it possible that there are democrats who are liberally democrats that do not like mitt romney?wouldn't surprise me in the least. but there are a lot of conservative democrats who don't like mitt romney. i am not aware of evidence or anecdotal evidence of the democrats, labor union or anybody else, they are not exactly going to pick up the phone and call me, are they? >> bret: what about this, charles? >> romney calls it a differenty trick. robo calls the day before the election from the santorum campaign to encourage democrats to vote. dirty trick. it's a trick. if the primary is open to the other side, why not? you are allowed to bring in the other side. interesting result, as you said it comes from the exit polls. you find among those who voted, strongly support the tea party, santorum has a lead and is up by 10 points. of those who oppose the tea party, santorum is again up by 16 points. is jon huntsman won half of the democrats, you would say it's reasonable. he's a moderate. santorum sant moderate. he ran as conservative in the field and what he got was the democrats that

the democrats, the democratic leadership helped workout this compromise.hink it was a fair compromise. we got some transparency and this whole union election process. that's the way the airlines, many of them, are organized. yes, it does belong in it. yes, the house voted for probably tougher measures. we did not get those. the american people want us to get this work done and stop messing around. so much of the economy counts on it. host: let's hear from frank from myrtle beach on the line for democrats. caller: good morning. guest: good morning. caller: the last time you were on c-span, the question came up if you sign the northwest pledge. you said no. i looked up. you did. guest: i did not understand it as being from mr. norquist, but you are correct, i did. apologize, if i misunderstood you of the time. someone asked me is a more question -- is that the same as what i did pledge to do. you are correct. i do not believe we need to increase taxes. caller: under any circumstances. guest: again, there are some cases in which you can look of some loopholes

they will punish the democratic party and make the democratic party come to its senses on civil rights, states rights and all of these things and they will do this by putting the election into the electoral college and brokering a deal. one of the people involved in that is a young man, young governor from south carolina named j. strom thurmond, decorated war veteran, former judge and considered at the time to be kind of a progressive liberal nuke deal kind atomic rat, the new base of the south except that once he gets caught up in this one south carolina legislators start talking it against the truman civil rights program he joins with the dixiecrat's largely centered in mississippi and alabama going to these regional readings to say what can we do about harry truman? now the irony of this, the irony of this when thurmond starts being carried away by this talking about how federal government bayonets will not force black people into our swimming pools and into our homes and our schools, the irony is that j. strom thurmond had a black illegitimate daughter. that is one wing of the demo

two democratic senators, a democratic governor, the congressional delegation is majority democrat. the mayor of detroit has been a democrat. so when you blame the economy, don't you have to look in the mirror? and my second point is because no one helped destroy michigan and detroit more so than the democratic party and unions that demanded too much. my second point is everybody keeps saying what obama inherited. people forget obama was in the u.s. senate for four years. he has supported policies like trying to -- now you're saying that the cars have to have 55 miles per gallon. what is that going to do to detroit? that's going to help destroy itr a profit. >> all right. let's get the congressman to respond. two issues there. he said democrats are responsible. >> over the last 10 years. that's the result of many factors. number one the housing crisis. because we didn't properly regulate the housing industry, we allowed homs to go under foreclosures. we allowed people to become victims of predatory loans. also, too, it was the state's misguided takeover of the detroit public school

not every democrat votes democrat in every election and independents have to choose. >> great.you have been on a bus now with the romney campaign. what is the mood there? >> well it's cautiously optimistic, i would say. i think that mitt and i have experienced one thing that i don't believe you have je if, jed anatthss we b bhh lost mpmpins, a a i i was talking to mitt about this when he was talking to me about co-chairing his campaign. and you could see this fire in his belly that came right up and out of his eyes, saying i'm not going to lose this race. and michigan is definitely a battleground state. and whether he wins or loses this state i don't think is that important. what is important is by the end of this thing, you'll see that fire catch on. >> it's not going to catch his hair on fire apparently. he said he wasn't going to do that today. >> no. >> yeah, i understand. i understand. but the turnout tonight, and i hear what you have said about sort of down playing expectations whether he wins michigan or not. in fact, as i look back on our board, 19% of the precincts are

have the democrats lost their voice? i would take no because in the obama's speech it is pointed out he never mentions the word poverty and i will make the accusation again. in your book there is no mention of the bird poverty? to make is that right? that is because it is not a proper noun. [laughter] >> really. i feel there is a silent ideas of the country and they have no voice whatsoever. >> come on. this is the land of the dollar. you have a voice when you have money. otherwise the democrats have dollars why don't they use it to give voice? >> you are asking me to get real cynical. [laughter] i will decline that invitation but the movement and power have to come from the working-class people who do have jobs and you will earn a living up of the poverty level but should be on the democratic side but increasingly moving to the republican party and that is where the big change has to happen. >> >> does it make sense the mayor can labor movement to support. >> they'll promised to deliver it. where is it? another example

dead, a democrat, good morning.aller: i just want to say as a christian democrat, i'm highly offended that rick santorum would criticize obama's faith. rick santorum in a sex is only paid 1.8 towards charity. president obama paid 13-point- something. -- rick santorum in his tax only paid 1.8 toward something. a lot of what is said -- the prayer breakfast stuff, it is totally false. there's a lot of balls about obama's believe. it really offends me that he would attack president obama's christianity. it is not right at all. i'm not looking for my president to be my pastor, nor am i looking for my pastor to be my president. it is just not right. he is being very judgmental, and i think it is totally wrong. host: thanks for calling. cspanwj is our twitter address as well. another -- rick santorum's far far right's social views may play well in the vatican but will know where i did a general election. michigan primary on the 20th. here is the front page from the sunday free press. both made moves in the past politicaliz

i am a democrat for ron paul. the reason is because he will stop at this -- he will do his best to stop this. he will need the help of the republicans and democrats in the senate and the congress. host: what you think of the payroll tax -- if it went up, and expire, which is that as a raise in your taxes? caller: yes, i would. i do not want the government taking my money and giving it to people who will sit down and do nothing. there are jobs out there. if you get these people off of their butts, maybe they will take their free ride away. we need to even out the trade balance with other countries and start bringing jobs back home. host: we'll be talking about trade with china in our next segment. there will be talking about some of those issues regarding trade with china. in the meantime, let's go to maryland. michael, republican. caller: thank you for the call. this whole thing is a charade. it is robbing peter to pay paul. we're giving people a break on their taxes, but it is just creating a deficit in its socia

i think the democrats have a strong hand.y win out here and the democrats did score a big victory today. >> you have a good sense of the pulse on the hill. if you take the other interpretation, they look at this and say it's an election year and we kantd be held responsible, there's this dream people in the white house have they call the 96 scenario in which mitt romney isn't doing that well, and eric cantor and john boehner become worried because president obama is doing well and congress's approval ratings are in the toilet. they begin to come to the table on big things. they're better off making deals when clinton was on his way to winning then we continue a strategy of relentless obstructionism. do you see the germ of that here? do you think this is extendible to other issues for a one offer related to the unique res nance of payroll tax or the poor job the republicans did framing their position back in december? >> i guess it remains to be seen. this is the last really big issue where there's a deadline where something a

and democrats played that game as well. >> smith: well, you have in fact compared what the democrats have done, and this administration has done, to money laundering. you've said, you said specifically it is money laundering in service to power and policy. >> moyers: that's campaign contributions. i mean this is. >> smith: and citizens united you include in that >> moyers: yes, this is, yes citizens united. the decision by the supreme court which allows corporations and unions, although unions don't have that much money, to pour as much money from anonymous sources as they wish into our elections. and one of your texans, karl rove, is a genius at gathering this money from anonymous wealthy sources and running ads to get it. i know republicans and democrats who spend most of their time, including some progressive democrats, raising money. >> smith: chasing money. yeah. >> moyers: chasing money. >> smith: right. >> moyers: it has become a toxic poison. >> smith: right. >> moyers: in the artery of our body politic. >> smith: but again, bill, it crosses party lines, because as much as yo

this is both the democrats -- the modern democratic party's strength and their achilles heels. the reference for experts. no individual where this is more clearly defined than barack obama. man produced by harvard and the university of chicago, and he looks to academic expertise. but you also look at the various statements and deeds the obama administration -- i should say most of them i agree with. they often didn't go far enough ump but yes we needed a systemus package in 2009. yes, universal halve insurance is is a good idea. the problem was they would explain these things as things that we needed because we -- the experts said we needed them. the experts say we need them. but that's not -- and we know we need them because of the experience of the 1930s, the keynesian economic theory and the decade economists. that's true. but what this leaves up stated is, roosevelt, when he was originally doing giant stimulus packages, social insurance, they didn't say, we're doing this because the experts say we need to. they went out there and they sold it, by god, and they fought for an

democrats can vote. the campaign hopes his message convinces members of the other party to unite against mitt romney. >> romney supported the bailouts for his wall street billionaire buddy, but opposed the auto bailouts. that was a slap in the face for every michigan worker. and we're not going to let romney get away with. on tuesday, join democrats who are going to send a loud message to massachusetts mitt romney by voting for rick is an or rum for president. this call is supported by hard working democratic men and women and paid for by rick santorum for president. >> paid for by rick is an tore are rum for president. both romney and santorum talked about the robocalls.an tore are rum for president. both romney and santorum talked about the robocalls. >> senator santorum put an ad out there sounding like a labor ad telling democrats to go vote against me and vote for rick santorum. at the very end, a trailer that he paid for this. but it's confusing people. it's a new low in this campaign. >> it's a ve

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it seems to me this is both the democrats, modern democratic strength as well as its achilles' heel as well as its expertise. and there's no individual where this is more clearly defined than barak obama. the man is produced by harvard at the university of chicago. of course that's what he is. he looks to academic expertise. you also look at the various state is indeed that the obama administration. most of them i agree with you they didn't go far enough or do things exactly the way it would've done them. yes we need a stimulus package in 2009. yes universal health insurance is a really good idea. the problem was that they would explain these things as things we needed because the experts said we needed to. the experts say we need to. and we know we need them because of the experience of the 1930s because of keynesian economic theory and the work of the decades of economists. okay, fine. that is true. but what this leaves unstated is roosevelt when he was originally doing to assume its packages public works and universal social insurance, they did to universal health care that bad, but

republicans didn't have a say, it was a democrat house. democrat senate. democrat president. and members of congress were not included. and now to come here today and be outraged and say that the republicans are disingenuous because we have carved in members of congress doesn't hold water. i think it's important to also look at the facts behind federal employees as they are compared to the private sector. the congressional budget office came out and they've said that federal employees make 16% more on average than the private sector. and at this point, what the democrats are saying is in a very difficult economy, when the private sector, who is really the american taxpayer, the ones who have been forced to take concessions with regard to pay, the ones who have been asked to work less hours to keep their jobs, my friends across the aisle come to the house floor and say, what we want these american taxpayers to do is to not get a pay raise themselves but to pay for a pay increase for federal workers who already make 16% more than they do. that doesn't make sense. that doesn't m

i'm a smart democrat where i don't have to vote for democrats because i'm a deps. -- democrats. obama's got $1 million he's going against any candidates on the republican side but mitt romney is just another obama. host: why do you say that? why is he just another obama? caller: because i think he has the same value as obama. he passed that romney care in massachusetts and it's no different than what obama care is going to be and it scares me because if somebody's going to decide whether i can get the care or not get the care, what is my point? i have trouble right now going to a doctor. and of course when you're not working, yeah, that's not easy to get, you know, doctor, you know, care, but at the same time , i don't want nobody dictating my medical care. i'd rather not have it than to have itsied on somebody else like katharine win. you can understand where i'm going right now as a democrat. i'm losing my -- and losing my job really makes me not like obama. i'm sorry. i think he's a nice guy. he conned me. i didn't vote for him. but, you know, that was the whole deal. host: a

why do you allow democrats it decide our candidate or g.o.p.'s?> well, the concept of open primaries, i don't know where it originated, do you know, bob? >> yes, in the midwest. >> can you help? >> midwest, and goes back, tradition in the midwest for a long, long time and northern states. in the southern states less so. >> why? >> because they had what used to call-- there wasn't-- a democratic farm labor, and it was considered an open primary for everybody to participate and a way to increase turnout and the one that came for the idea, he creates turnout. >> yes, it does, really, why would you want a democrat-- why does that, why should that vote count? >> well, works both ways, could work against the democrats, right? and it all balances out in the long run. >> no, politics has become so harsh and evil you could almost see as michael moore points out, that greg pointed out, i think he called operation hilarity, where they're actually asking democrats to come vote for santorum to extend the election. >> the campaign, exactly. >> and this is why r

this is a registered democrat. the child of an autoworker who moved to the state to work in the autoindustry. he said he came out today to vote for rick santorum, and he made it very clear he's not sure who he's going to vote for in the general election this fall, but he didn't think mitt romney, a man worth as much money as he did, needed to be in the white house, and really couldn't understand the issues that he's dealing with right now. not the story line the romney campaign wants to hear. another narrative that they pushed back against reporters is the narrative of this out of touch wealthy presidential candidate, mitt romney. in recent days with coverage about the nascar comments, the coverage at ford field where they specifically refer to the number of cadillacs that he had. the strategists and -- right now there's concern within the campaign. i've reached out to advisers who get back quickly. they're really waiting and seeing what will happen over the course of this day. >> peter, it's going to be one of tho

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it applies the democratic party. it will make the democratic party come to its senses on civil rights and states rights and all of these things. they will do this by putting the election into the electoral college and brokering a deal. in one of the people involved in that is a young man, young governor of south carolina named j. strom thurmond. decorated war veteran, former judge, and consider that the time to be the progressive liberal new deal kind of democrat, the new face of the south. except that once he gets caught up in this, when the south carolina legislators and such start talking against the german civil rights program he joins with the dixiecrats largely centered in mississippi and alabama in going to these regional meetings to see what can we do? now the irony of this and the irony of this when thurman starts being carried away by this, talking about federal government's bayonet's will not force black people into our swimming pools commend our homes, our schools is the irony of the j. strom thurmond has