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dennis hastert, amy howell and former white house counsel bob bauer. as the interpreter of the middle, was it a narrow decision or not? >> it was a fairly narrow decision and the majority took pains to say this is one ticket only. we're not handing every corporations everywhere sort of cart blanche to say we don't want to do that because it conflict with his our religious beliefs. on the other hand, we are going to see a lot of challenges in the months and years to come based on religious beliefs. but the court made very clear, we think this is a very narrow decision and in part it was made possible, in fact, by the fact that the obama administration carved out for churches that didn't want to provide access to birth control for their employees. they said we can tell there is another way to do this. in this particular case where there is an easy way to do this, we're going to say that hobby lobby don't have to do it. >> you would argue what? in your political hat, you would argue what? >> i'm probably better with my lawyer hat. >> can it be one in the

>> i went through all the years of covering denny hastert. never had to have that kind of worry because he was the leader, he was trusted. and he had a republican president. so that clearly helped most. but not all the time. what's interesting is that they're a by-product of this is for some of the younger, newer members, they're trying to have a variety of coalitions, the no-labels caucus, the bipartisanness, the bipartisan that. but it's hard for them to get anything but a niche issue, like you mentioned the cell phone. tough find the baby issues where you can strip ideology and have a populist, but not pointed populist cause, like cell phones. >> and on the scale of concerns. >> i think that's the point. this is kind of heavy symbolism here. what unites us? it's this thing. okay? and so if we can take this metaphor, they need more iphone issues where you know, everyone, did doesn't matter your sex, your race, your gender, your religion, you want to use your iphone where you want to use it. so i want to put it this on the table now. they ne