you know the detroit police department and prosecutor's office has to reassess offense which did lead to the wrongful arrest of a black man robert williams g 2 a floor in facial recognition technology this is he's met has apologized for the case. that case and joined prosecutor kym worthy in my apology to mr williams but you have to think of the case and the case in my mind is about sub detective work and sub par weren't prosecutor work. back in january robert williams was arrested and held for more than a day on charges of theft the only evidence police had against him is the facial recognition technology match of his old driver's license photo against grainy surveillance footage of the real thief williams himself says it was easy to see a mistake had been made. when i look at the picture of the guy i just see a big black guy i don't see a resemblance i don't think you looks like me at all or face scanning technology is used by ordinary people every day to unlock their smartphones or to tag friends on social media however when it comes to police investigations artificial intelligence

police chief in chief craig. a different culture in the department. and i think the vice president is right. we need -- departments can't reform themselves. detroit got reformed and i think there's a lot of other departments that need the same thing. >> but are departments willing to accept change? "the washington post" has a whole piece out today on how many police groups actually helped joe biden. they worked with joe biden on the 1994 crime bill. can you have ties to law enforcement and police groups and still deliver on reform for the american people? >> i can tell you this. the great majority of the detroit police officers agree with the protests. so i think attitudes have changed dramatically. i'm not an expert in other cities, but i don't know any member of this department that wasn't completely sickened watching as that officer before our eyes murdered george floyd. and so i don't agree with that. i think there say recognition on the part of a lot of police agencies. things have to change. and those where there's not, that's why you need a president who steps in and says your attitudes are too engrained. you've got to be changed from the

the issue with the detroit police department in the 1960's and 1970's are legendary. i would encourage you to read that history. they were tremendously abusive of black detroiters for a long time. the police chief is doing the hard job of trying to reform that department. i would encourage you to look at the history of that department. i did my graduate work in criminology. 10%,es recently suggest 10% to 15% of a given department is likely to be abusive and problematic. you have 10% to 15% of a given department likely to be courageous and confront that pattern of abuse by one out of 10 or one out of eight of their peers. in the middle, the vast majority of the department wants to go along to get along and not rock the boat. that is the code of silence we talk about. we do have a problem institutionally in departments across the country. friends whog to two are mayors. one of a large city and one of a small city. the one in the small city said for six years his department use outonality tests to weed officers likely to be abusive. who 75% of the applicants met every oth

detroit police officer and change the detroit police force from the inside. he ended up running the force. but told our erin burnett earlier, the racism did not stop. >> i joined the detroit police department august 2nd, 1965. my first day as a detroit police officer, i walked into the squad room. and as they had roll call, i was the only person of color there, as they had roll call, and they announce might assignment with a white officer, they said i'm working with the -- and they said the "n" word. that was my indoctrination into the detroit police department. this man rode with me for eight hours and he didn't say a word and i didn't say a word. the man i worked with, his name is trey mitchell, that is the norm with me and other officers of color. >> i'm joined now by cheryl dorsey in los angeles. she's a retired los angeles police sergeant. she's also the author of "black and blue" we want to welcome you, mrs. dorsey. >> thank you for having me. >> these videos that we saw in the report, they're horrific to see, but they're there and we see them. i'd like your response from the former police chief who said we must do anything to root out brutal officers and any officer that engages in

the issues with the detroit police department, especially in the '60s and '70s, are legendary. i would encourage you to read that history. they trems doesly abusivive of black detroiters. they have a new chief doing a very hard job of trying to reform that department. he's there for a reason. ask wh when we talk about math, there have been studies recently that 10%, 10 to 15% of a given department is likely to be abusive and problematic. about 10 to 15% of a given department is likely to be courageous and willing to confront that pattern of abuse by one out of ten or one out of eight of their peers. in the middle a vast majority of the department that wants to go along to get along. doesn't want to rock the boat. that's the code of silence we're talking about. we have a problem institutionally in our departments across this country. now we've -- i was talking to two friends who were mayors the other day. one a large city, one a small city. the mayor from the small city said for six years his department has used personality tests to weed out officers who were likely to be abusive

the detroit police department and prosecutor's office are to reassess events which led to the wrongful arrest of the black man robert williams due to a flaw in facial recognition technology city's mayor has apologized for the case and they're angry about that case and joint prosecutor kym worthy in my apology to mr williams but you have to think of the case and the case in my mind is about sub detective work and sub par weren't prosecutor work in january robert williams was arrested and held for more than a day on charges of theft police or facial recognition technology had matched his old driver's license photo with grainy surveillance footage of the incident leaves him self says it was obvious that a mistake could be made when i look at the picture of the guy i just see a big black guy i don't see a resemblance i don't think you looks like me at all scanning technology is used by ordinary people every day to unlock their smartphones or to tag friends and social media however when it comes to the police investigations artificial intelligence has drawn a lot of criticism for false matc

check the video from the detroit police department, media tonight reporting a detroit police officer drove his suv through protesters after they surrounded his vehicle and began pounding on it. the dpd replaced video showing protesters swarming police vehicles, police chiefs is protesters add agitation, escalated into violent behavior when they smashed in one of the back windows and officers became concerned they are going to be fired upon. tensions are still high tonight. rick leventhal has details. >> one of those hotspots is right here, as if things weren't bad enough, the nypd commissioner ray kelly says new york is no longer the safest big city in america and he says things are going to get worse. tensions flaring again between protesters and police on the streets of new york city sunday, this incident during the march supporting gay pride, the nypd says several that along as a police officer, as pepper spray when the crowd turned. police responded to consulate saturday night when glass bottles were thrown from the crowd numbering 500 people. incidents like these could be one re

check out this video come of the detroit police department. media reporting a detroit police officer drove his suv through protesters after they surrounded his vehicle and began pounding on it. the dpd just released dashcam video showing protesters swarming police vehicles. the police chief says protesters agitation escalated into violent behavior when they smashed in one of the back windows and officers became concerned that they would be fired on. for more on other hot spots where tensions are high, here is senior correspondent rick leventhal with details. >> one of those hot spots is right here and as if things weren't bad enough, former nypd commissioner ray kelly says new york is no longer the safest big city in america and he says things are going to get worse. >> tensions flaring again between protesters and police on the streets of new york city sunday. this incident during a merge supporting gay pride. nypd says someone was vandalizing a police vehicle and officers reported using batons and pepper spray when the crowd turned on them. i

excited to be back home and certainly leading one of the finest police departments in america. >> anyone who has ever counted out detroit, michigan, has lived to regret it. chief james craig of the detroit police department, we greatly appreciate the time you spent with us tonight. thank you very much. stay safe to you, your men and women. >> thank you, brian. i appreciate it. you have a great night. >> thank you, sir. >>> we are keeping an eye on tonight's protests on city streets across our country. there is los angeles in the shadow of city hall. just ahead for us, the choice between social justice and social distancing. here we are in a pandemic, after all. why the experts tracking the virus are still quite concerned about the virus. >>> as we continue to check in on cities across the country, let's check in with cal perry in louisville. cal, how close are we to being able to declare that the mood perhaps has lifted in that very tense place? >> reporter: we're there. the immediate has lifted. a week ago tonight i was introducing you to my favorite bus station that was providing me with cover. the next night it was m

excited to be back home and certainly leading one of the finest police departments in america. >> anyone who has ever counted out detroit, michigan has lived to regret it. chief james craig of the detroit police department, we greatly appreciate the time you spent with us tonight. thank you very much. stay safe to you, your men and women. >> and thank you, brian. appreciate it. you have a great night. >> thank you, sir. we are keeping an eye on tonight's protests on city streets across our country. there's los angeles in the shadow of city hall. >>> just ahead for us, the choice between social justice and social distancing. here we are in a pandemic after all. why the experts tracking the virus are still quite concerned about the virus. metastatic breast cancer is relentless, but i was relentless first. relentless about learning the first song we ever danced to. about teaching him to put others first. about helping her raise her first child. and when i was first diagnosed, my choice was everyday verzenio. it's the only one of its kind that can be taken every day. it gives us more time without cancer progressing. verzeni

. >> erin, i joined the detroit police department august 2nd, 1965. a detroit police officer i walked into the squad room and as they had roll call, i was the only person of color there. but as they had roll call and they announced my assignment was a white officer, he said i'm working with the -- and he said the "n" word. this man rode with me for eight hours and i rode with him and he did not say a word. that appeared to be the norm. there were some great people. in fact, an officer i met i'm still friends with, frank mitchell. he's a white officer. but that was the norm with me and other officers of color. >> so let me ask you, when you have that experience as a 14-year-old, there's something incredible about you, i suppose, that your reaction is i'm going to join them and i'm going to change it. your first day on the force you go in and someone calls you the "n" word and yet you persevered and you became the police chief. how did you do that? how did that happen to you? >> i had to persevere because i had lived through the time of emma till, throug

it is the detroit police department and our community partners that's getting it done. not going to sit back and take a victory lap. you know, we're excited about the transition from what we saw on day one from friday, and yesterday was certainly extremely hopeful, and we know it doesn't represent the vast majority of those who want to protest against something that we as police officers here in detroit, and i can say for many across the nation, we feel the pain. this officer transitioned from a peace officer to a criminal. that's the bottom line. and so we feel that pain and we support the voices against the death of mr. floyd. but that said, we cannot and should not tolerate the very few, the minority who embed themselves in these peaceful protests to want to incite violence and damage to property. we can't support that. >> chief craig, you have said, look, there was probable cause to, of course, arrest right away, you think, officer chauvin in minneapolis on murder. i wonder if you believe that murder charges are warranted against all four officers, meaning the three

certainly more out there and certainly i can't credit the detroit police department, just the speed ofxecution is just amazing. >> tucker: it may i ask you a question, chief? you took a pretty tough position on disorder, disorder, lawlessness day one. did you get any glow back from politicians there? >> i didn't get any blowback and probably because detroit has a history of violence. the good news about detroit today, and the people who live in detroit, let's face it, tucker, like all the cities, there's a lot of outsiders coming in and creating havoc. detroiters are different and we do minutes, they're not going to come to the city and carried out. were not going to tolerate it. so we support the chief, and we have relationships with them and if you go against him, you're going against us and we have that kind of mantra. i'm not saying that's the only thing, but the other thing is they're not credit to cover our police stations and trust me, there is things the first and second night they clearly could have gone bad very quickly. i've been watching what's going on over in l.a., certai

the detroit police department says after williams' case, it will use facial recognition as a way to generateire corroborating evidence before an arrest is made. >> we've been hearing this is a problem when it comes to facial recognition to people of color. spread the word, all black people do not look alike. for instance, you and i look very different. >> thank god for you, gayle. thank god for you. >> sure, vlad. sure. >>> all right. so let me lay this on you -- nasa is renaming its headquarters in washington after mary w. jackson, the african-american african-american engineer. she helped open opportunities for americans and women in the field of northerning and technology. her life and career helped inspired the book and movie "hidden figures." ry retired in auto -- she died in 2005. whenever i reflect on the life of pioneers like mary jackson, americans who blazed a trail where there was none before, like benjamin davis, the first african-american brigadier general or ida b. wells or connie chung, rita moreno, they inspire me to keep on keeping on. >> i'm so glad that nasa is honoring he

the men and women of the detroit police department have executed with precision and certainly yesterdayss. we did make some arrests over the three-day period, but we are anticipating more folks to protest today so we are prepared for that as well. i got to give a lot of credit not only to the men and women who wear the uniform, who just did a phenomenal job, but also our community. one thing we have done very different, we have elicited the support of community members, community activists, who are actually on the ground in the front line with us, because the sentiment is we don't want violence in the city of detroit. so we know definitively that most of the people that we arrested and the problems that we're having are from outsiders, like so many other places. david: let me hold you on that, because i saw you making that comment a couple days ago, that the majority of the people who were involved in violent incidents were from the outside. some people said that earlier and pulled that back. you're not pulling that back. you still stick to that, right? >> oh, i'm not pulling it back. n

the issue with the detroit police department in the 1960's and 1970's are legendary. would encourage you to read that history. they were tremendously abusive of black detroiters for a long time. the police chief is doing the hard job of trying to reform that department. i would encourage you to look at the history of that department. i did my graduate work in criminology. 10%,es recently suggest 10% to 15% of a given department is likely to be abusive and problematic. you have 10% to 15% of a given department likely to be courageous and confront that pattern of abuse by one out of 10 or one out of eight of their peers. in the middle, the vast majority of the department wants to go along to get along and not rock the boat. that is the code of silence we talk about. we do have a problem institutionally in departments across the country. friends whog to two are mayors. one of a large city and one of a small city. the one in the small city said for six years his department use outonality tests to weed officers likely to be abusive. who 75% of the applicants met every other

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relationship with our community and certainly the stellar efforts by the men and women of the detroit police department. we talk often, he trusts my professional judgment, and we execute. and that's so important. i've had a chance to work another city and that's not always been the case, but not so in detroit. brian: right. so chief i'm wondering how you feel about these police movement s across the country. its worked in los angeles, the mayor already said. i have a good idea i'm not going to give you the 7% increase, not talking about salary but talking about overall. how do you feel about defunding law enforcement? is that going to help things? >> no it's not going to help things what happens and i'll use this city, is not defunding the police. it's really building that bridge in the community. we're not going to always agree, and many of our local activists we don't agree but we come to the table with a common goal of keeping our city safe but de funding the police is certainly not the answer. it's almost just that we don't need the police. we absolutely need the police and most detroiters know tha

. >> martha: tonight, what does happen when police departments are defunded or get less funding? in detroitr police has dropped 20 percent in the last six years after their historic bankruptcy that happen in 2014. my next guest has spent a lot of time on the ground in detroit digging into what happened next. spending time there and studying the reality. he writes this "they are now 20% fewer officers patrolling the streets and in 2014. half have less than five years on the job. there are been 100 homicide so far this year, the 25% spike over last year. and there have been 27 271 fatal shootings increase of 30%, most disturbing during 80 days of the covid lockdown, 18 children were shot." charlie lived off joins me now, again, he is pulitzer prize winning journalist and author of "the countries collapsing and the ratings are great." thank you for being back. >> thank you for having me. >> martha: i will show you the pictures of the two children you are talking about, one who was shot and survived is riley bailey, 3-year-old girl who was shot on may 20th. and then we have messiah towns in who

in practice about this practice that police departments across this country have now banned on their own. will his order change anything? former police chief of detroit who said he could have been george floyd is "out front." plus kamala harris says trump's executive order misses the mark. what does she propose. and radio silence, president trump and dr. anthony fauci, not a word between the two of them in two weeks. why? it's time for the lowest prices of the season on the sleep number 360 smart bed. can it help keep me asleep? absolutely, it senses your movements and automatically adjusts to keep you both comfortable. and now, the queen sleep number 360 c4 smart bed is only $1,299, save $400. only for a limited time. your cells. trillions of them. that's why centrum contains 24 key nutrients to support your energy. so you can take care of what matters most. and try new centrum minis today. sweetheart, do my forearms look bigger? they look the same. i've been spinning faster recently. i think they're getting bigger. feel them. [ television plays indistinctly ] yeah, they kind of feel bigger. yeah, cool. [ grunts ] sorry. switch to progressive and yo

detroit police chief joins us right now. thank you for taking the time. >> thank you, neil. neil: do you think some of these calls -- neil: thank you, for defunding police departmentsnd the rest, maybe yours included is, is a strategy that is going too far? >> i, i absolutely agree that it is going too far. fortunately here in detroit that is not something that the elected leaders have talked about. now certainly i have heard there are some who sit in seats, some at the federal level, who are talking defunding but, let's face it, neil, it is a knee-jerk reaction and, if your true agenda is to move funding over into programs that have been overlooked for many years, especially in impour -- impoverished communities. let me say this let me say this, i was appointed seven years ago i learned very quickly a city facing bankruptcy. our police department was defunded. we were facing bankruptcy. police officers before my employment, lost 10% of their pay. forced them to work long hours. the men and women here know what defunding looks like. i can tell you this administration, this mayor, has been very open, that that is not an option. i have direct conversations with many

detroit police chief in eerily similar instances that he had to watch particularly in his day running the cincinnati police department. i do want to go to steve harrigan who has been in atlanta throughout all of this. these developments today, i'm sure they had protests planned already. we have seen some up to this point. what are you hearing on the street from folks and what they want to see next? >> neil, emotions are running pretty hot here as people start to gather. i think they're hot because of a couple of things that you point out a short time ago. two new details coming out today from a district attorney. on the one hand saying that former officer rolfe takes the body of mr. brooks after he was shot twice in the back. and second the other officer brosnan stood on the body as he was dying. former officer rolfe said "i got him" after he was shot twice in the back. it was these details when you look at people's faces around here, there was a mixture of just disgust and disbelief and anger. on the other hand, the fact that the officer was charged with felony murder was met with applause. initially, some applause

police who care and who live in the community. they are strangers. detroit, baltimore, police should be next door neighbors. >> you mentioned police vigilantes describe, the militarization of the police departmentpoke about residency requirements. that is certainly an issue in california, particularly in san francisco and very expensive cities. the thinking is sometimes police officers cannot afford to live in the cities they police. that's not the case everywhere around the country. why is it so important for police to live where they work? >> because you become, better to police in the community, you know people, you care for people. they're your neighbors, your friends. police in health care and education, employment. police are the outer layer. residence is bone deep. white race supremacy, the existence, made racism officially until 1954, and then to this day. so we're deep into race supremacy in every level of life. it's employment, education, health care. we live in silicon valley, wall street. you see patterns of discrimination. not saying nothing. >> reverend jackson, order the years we've seen great change. and yet clearly where we are at this moment in america, it exposes a raw wound

meanwhile, detroit top cop today saying that the idea of redirecting funds is a bad idea. we're live in front of san francisco police department headquarters. in san francisco, kenny choi, kpix 5. >>> bay area lawmakers are joining a push to set state standards for the use of rubber bullets. the projectiles are being increasingly deployed as a means of crowd control, but researchers say at close range, they can cause permanent injury or even death. san francisco senator scott weiner and and assembly member , asked caller of san jose say the state need to prioritize the escalation over the use of military grade riot gear. rubber bullets, and tear gas. >>> in oakland there were speeches and songs at a gathering designed to lift up black lives. >>> ♪ oh we call you miracle worker. ♪ >> speakers from groups including the oakland naacp and local faith leader spoke at the event to honor black americans. >> this movement, black lives matter, is a righteous and just movement. it is a just cause. the peaceful protesting is s. just and necessary. we need to be doing all of that and more. >> there is not just one way that we are mourning

police department. >> well and with good reason. i mean, your department has handled things very well or so it would seem from, you know, the way things have gone there in detroit. you couldn't pay me enough to be a police officer especially when you see some of the abuse that is hurled at the officers. projectiles, hurled at officers all, you know, spitting that kind of thing. and yet people are talking about defunding police. doesn't that just mean -- you know,less money, less money available to pay officers doesn't that mean you're going to get worse kinds of officers less kinds of applicants? >> of course. but here's the next level in sanity. this mantle police department recognized that one size doesn't fit all. you know many of the major cities have been under a federal oversight, many have adopted best policing practices, an that's not to say that some of them still need a reform. but to talk about dismantling what do you replace it with individual that wear sports coats to guns maybe a flashlight? i mean, the business that we're in is very serious an you hold the chief accountable to make sure policing is right for the community and that we have an open

police department. the money will be used to help close budget shortfalls caused by the coronavirus pandemic. >>> tonight, president trump is taking a swipe at the city of oakland again. . >> take a look at detroit, oakland. take a look at what's happening in baltimore. everyone gets upset when i say it, is that a racist statement, not a racist. black people come up to me and say thank you, thank you for saying it. they want help. these cities, it is like living in hell. >> the president made that comment in an interview with fox news. he also called out chicago and baltimore. all cities with large black populations and all the cities criticized by president trump are led by democratic mayors. the mayor tweeted hell is another four years of this racist in the white house. >>> as san francisco gets ready for the 50th anniversary of pride, for some the push for requality remains a daily struggle. >> so as a black gay man we are wedged between two columns. >> tonight we will show you how a pair of movements have joined forces in the fight for civil rights. >> and facebook is dealing with an exodus of complaints and the major company cutting ties today. >> and beaches in santa cruz will reopen despi

department on those loans. alisyn? >> jessica, thank you very much. here is what else to watch today. >>> a former detroit police says he identifies with george floyd and he is here to tell us how he tried to change the system from the inside and almost got killed. where you live has never mattered more. for over 100 years, realtors® have been providing expert guidance, helping people find new places to dream and thrive. when you're ready... look for the r. okay, give it a try. between wisdom and curiosity, there's a bridge. between ideas and inspiration, trauma and treatment. gained a couple of more pounds. that's good for the babies. between the moments that make us who we are, and keeping them safe, private and secure, there's webex. ♪ ♪ beautiful. >>> you'll want to hear this next very personal story, and a powerful, new op-ed, a black former police chief recounts his own personal experience of police brutality. he says george floyd could have been me. joining is isaiah mckinnon, also served as former deputy mayor. mr. mckinnon, good to have you on this morning. thanks so much. >> good morning, jim. it's goo

police department, calling it irredeemable and ungovernable. los angeles mayor erica said he wants to cut $150 million from the l.a.p.d. budget. let's talk about what's happening in detroith police chief there, james craig. good to have you with us tonight, sir. >> always great to be here, thank you. >> shannon: so many topics to get to but first of all, tell us the move there in detroit, how your folks are doing out there on the street and the sadness of any peaceful protests or otherwise. >> you know, the last two days have been phenomenal. compared to what was probably a week ago, i mean, no violence, all peaceful protests. we imposed a curfew as well. i made a conscious decision last night not to enforce it. the mood was very different than what we saw days prior. we didn't see the violence like you saw in places l.a. or new york and so -- but there was some and certainly i will tell you, when i look at what we've done in the detroit, the community has lined up, the detroit community, because as i've reported time and time again, there's so many outsiders who have come to detroit to protest and detroit doesn't like it. they've stood with us, stood by our side. many t

obviously detroit is a city grappling with this as others, what do you make of this phenomenon of going and skipping the notion of reforming police departments, changing policies and going straight to defunding them? >> excludely flawed. i mean, so we talk about de funding, and then there's talk about dismantleing in some instances it's clearly a knee jerk reaction this notion that one-size-fits-all, it's flawed. i mean how does that go with insuring that police departments are providing effective and efficient policing to the communities they're serving? it just makes no sense. now, i acknowledge that and certainly in challenging communities that we should pay attention to recreation and school but we don't do it by de funding the police. particularly in a place like detroit where we came out of bankruptcy. certainly our police officers had some of the lower paid and while we're incrementally working our way up to bring in their salaries up, so what are we going to do? lay off police officers in detroit? take 10%? fortunately then, minimal conversation here about de funding, it's flawed and it makes no sense. charles: right. chief craig, wh

the detroit police department did not respond to request for comment.hat two independently agree with the match. but research has concluded that facial recognition more often misidentify black faces than white faces. and that it amplifies bias rather than fighting it. several companies have created a moratorium on selling technology to the police. san francisco and boston have banned it. and this week democrats introduced legislation to ban its use by federal law enforcement and reduce funding to state and local police that use it >> i was fingerprinted and mug shotted before anybody asked me one question it's a rush to judgment. like, could you imagine if this was a rape case? >> reporter: misidentification can lead to a permanent arrest record, failed background checks, and much worse >> we are living in a day and age where it is quite frankly not very safe for black men to have interactions with the police all because police officers encounter them and do the opposite of de-escalating a situation and their lives are lost what could have gone wrong ha