host: to diana, livingston, new jersey, democrats line. go ahead. caller: good morning. i watched a documentary last night called "no man's land," and it was all about how the org on national wildlife refuge -- the oregon national wildlife refuge and you saw how the fed lured them out and took them on a road and arrested them. then they went to court. a lot of them were just destruction of property, minor offenses. only one guy out of the whole group got the conspiracy. at the end, because they were found not guilty, they were all with their guns and say it was government overreach and they have formed antigovernment militias and they say, this is just the beginning. it made me see how much of this grew out of the waco and the ruby ridge and the ted bundy, those type of groups, not really saying race, but it is -- they don't trust their government and that is why they need the guns and they for militias. i have two nephews in the service. one is in national guard, he is in washington, and he espouses also, the gun rights. i am like, how can you say you are against the go

. >> okay to diana livingston, new jersey. democrat's line. go ahead. >> caller: hi. good morning. i watched a documentary last night on pbs called "no-man's-land" and it was about the bundy ranch and the wildlife refuge and you saw how the feds had lured them out and then, you know, took them on a road and arrested them and then they went to court and they were arrested, and a lot of them were just destruction of property like minor offenses and only one guy out of the whole group got the conspiracy. but in there at the end because they were found not guilty they were all with their guns and saying it was government overreach and they had formed this anti-government militia and they said this is just the beginning. and so it made me see how much of this grew out of the waco and the ruby ridge and the ted bundy, those types of groups and not saying race, it's more government, they don't trust the government and that's why they need the guns and they are forming these militias because of the tyranny. i have two nephews in the service and one is in the national guard and he's in wash

host: to diana, livingston, new jersey, democrats line. go ahead. caller: good morning.ed a documentary last night called "no man's land," and it was all about how the org on national wildlife refuge -- the oregon national wildlife refuge and you saw how the fed lured them out and took them on a road and arrested them. then they went to court. a lot of them were just destruction of property, minor offenses. only one guy out of the whole group got the conspiracy. at the end, because they were found not guilty, they were all with their guns and say it was government overreach and they have formed antigovernment militias and they say, this is just the beginning. it made me see how much of this grew out of the waco and the ruby ridge and the ted bundy, those type of groups, not really saying race, but it is -- they don't trust their government and that is why they need the guns and they for militias. i have two nephews in the service. one is in national guard, he is in washington, and he espouses also, the gun rights. i am like, how can you say you are against the government