and we are joined now by dieter abuse political correspondent alexander in washington alexander why is there this debate about the coronavirus starting in a chinese lab when leading scientists say it's unfounded. yeah you are right we are hearing those rumors conspiracy theories we are seeing those reports in some you asked media and even president trump has announced that his administration is looking into the issue and that they have started an investigation and to understand why we have to see the whole issue in the context of the growing china sentiment here in the u.s. 77 percent of all americans according to a recent poll believe that china covered up the extent of the coronavirus pandemic and president trump of course pays attention to such opinion polls he's reelection campaign believes stead being tough on china blaming china china could get him reelected and his critics even though they acknowledge that china was not transparent with regards to the pandemic belief that he is trying to use beijing to deflect from the shortcomings of his own response to the coronavirus pandemic

john dieters affect how vulnerable you are to covert 19. probably no other factor has more of an impact on your health in the long term than your diet i haven't seen any specific scientific studies showing that a particular diet like a plant based one makes you less vulnerable to cope at 19 and the other diet that would probably be impossible to show anyway in the middle of this pandemic but there are recommendations that health bodies and doctors are continuing to make pretty much across the board 1st and foremost even though they might not be easy to come by where you live you should try to eat a range of fresh unprocessed foods every day 2nd drink plenty of water and of course no matter how great the temptation try to avoid comfort foods loaded with sugar and fat and salt they might lift your mood temporarily but in the long run they won't give your immune system what it needs to put up a fight. there was the science editor derek roll young's and if you have a question for him about the pandemic simply posted in the comments section of o

bulletproof we'll get to the book in a 2nd but obviously and he chapped and contemporary american dieter around the world now starts with the copa 19 and how the countries are reacting to it i assume in your job over the years and certainly have worked as a 1st responder you worked at the secret service i'm sure you've been a security consultant to some degree it's when it hits the fan it hits the fan hard and it is absolutely shocking and i sometimes look at the world around me right now and i think well it's maintaining all the gravitational pulls of civilization but boy when it cracks i hope that somebody knows we have to siphon off pressure here periodically because if you don't and it cracks it cracks fast doesn't it i'm sure you've seen things go from good good good to hell in a hand-basket like that over your career. you know any can any of these people's reactions panic can you can you manage your panic can you manage this fear response i mean we are never very very reactionary state usually you want to try to catch this as quickly as possible has early as possible so that you're

two of msnbc's analysts, also with us, nbc senior politics dieter. glad to have you all with us. philip, start with testing. public health officials are saying that testing needs to double or maybe triple before the u.s. can safely reopen. this week president trump announced guidelines for states to ease their stay-at-home orders. where do we stand with that right now? >> administration said today there are more than 4 million americans who have been tested. that's a tiny fraction of the population of course. testing has been a chronic problem in the united states for weeks now. administration has improved the speed and volume of the tests but not at pace that experts say is necessary to be able to safely reopen businesses and get rid of some of the social distancing guidelines. what we're hearing from governors in a lot of state, they don't have support from the federal government to expand their testing programs. they are getting some of the fast abbott machines and other new testing machines but don't necessarily have all the equipment they need to operate them at full capacit

on any given morning when you are deciding whether you're going to drive to spend an hour at the dieter or drive through the dunkin' donuts in five minutes, at any given moment the costs are more appeared. it's own over the very long-term that the benefits you are losing become a parent. the question i have, this is not a question i expect to exit but a question we have to answer collectively, is what do you do when the incentive structure of society is setting things up so that people are not writing, but in which how you alter that incentive structure is, the government cannot mandate that we go to church, so where do we do the work and how do we do the work? >> you're a libertarian. i'm a libertarian, and this works. it doesn't work that it gets a laugh usually can which is what comes to solutions, , i'm a libertarian, libertarians don't do solutions. [laughing] it is true, however, that everybody continues to ask you. as i was thinking of coming on the panel today, and i was deciding just how gloomy to be, because in many ways the book is upbeat and see functioning communities. i ap