>> we have seen a change in the supreme court since the parliamentary coup against dilma rousseff.ong with the coup at the time. but i think during the bolsonaro administration, he was so extreme inerms of attacking all democratic institutions in brazil, including attacking the supreme court, then we saw the supreme court taking a turn and really making sure that we will have free and fair elections, getting lula out of jail and restoring democracy. so i think we ve seen that change, which is very important, and also the new minister of justicin brazil also is willing to move forward, for example, with the investigation on the assassination of marielle franco. i think we will have important advancements in that area as well in terms of fighting against impunity in the country and of course there will always be a battle -- the judge that made that the case against lula was likely to defend it. of course we will have still a lot to do in terms of activism in brazil, but we have very important measures and policies that just in this last couple of days we have seen that key policies h

first mandate and the continuation, of course, during the two first years or three first years of dilma rousseff have zero hunger and now... ..which was one of his objectives. now, of course, hunger has come back. yeah. the latest figures suggest your hunger rate, if i can put it that way, is around 16% at the moment. at the same time as you have rising national debt and a hole in your annual budget, which lula is desperately trying to fill. you've got a massive economic challenge, and that's not a very easy place to start if you're going to have another poverty eradication campaign. well, we'll have... stephen, i mean, i remember i was in london as ambassador at the time of the election of lula, and there were very good economists, very serious ones, who said that the relation between debt and the gdp in brazil was untenable and that with lula, in six months everything would be burst. . . busted. so, you know, and we did that. we stabilised the country. brazil became one of the most prosperous economies in the g20 and hunger was abolished. of course there was the boom of commodities and so on.

and then eventually also there were bribes given to dilma rousseff replacement when she was, you know, pushed out and temer had been getting other bribes from the witnesses for and got several. but then that was who then jealously was wearing a wire to interview and that wiretapping eventually it was leaked and helped protect the batista brothers as they were kind of negotiating their plea deals. the brazilian government as a blowers. so i talk to in sounds like some kind of tv series as opposed to something that really happened. oh it's it's billions you know kind of the crazy crazy crazy crazy crazy stories crazy. yeah you in addition to the concentration in the media industry really also tie it to the concentration in the grocery industry in words those who were buying the meat put it onto the grocery shelves and that they really would prefer to deal with the larger producers. they can, you know, then negotiated bulk for the you know, for the many stores that many of these companies have specifically to walmart as the largest meat seller in the country. yeah you know i think we all