people like bullard, don bacon, those will be the early tells. as you alluded to, he can only lose a handful of votes here. if you lose two or three early on, that will be indicative. we may really see a lot of retail politicking to trigger twist arms to get him over the top to get the speakership. i think we will get an alarm quickly as to whether or not these folks who have been skeptical and opposed his candidacy are to follow through. the floor is a much more public space then the hallways of capitol hill or the statements people have made. it is a sign for the nation to really see how this members are going to vote. we should get a good sense for the on as to how it is going to go. host: we are expecting 432 numbers on the floor, two hundred 20 republicans, 212 democrats. the number needed to win is to 17. -- is 217. we will tell you if that changes. according to the latest reporting, that is the number to get the majority to win the speaker's gavel. you talked about the public on the floor, the trading that might go on between rounds of vot

it started with don bacon from nebraska, the second district of nebraska. bacon is one of 18 republicans who represent districts that voted for joe biden in 2020. so these were thought to be the republicans who were maybe going to to be the most squeamish of voting for jim jordan, whose potential democratic opponents were eager to use this vote against him. in the end, most of the 18 did end up voting for jim jordan. i can show you a few others here, though who didn't. don bacon voting for mccarthy. lori chavez-deremer for mccarthy. anthony deesposito for zeldin. you saw a number here who did vote against jim jordan. the majority of republicans from districts that voted for biden actually did go with jordan on this. surprise one, tom kane from new jersey, included in that list as well. potentially vulnerable republican. you look at some of the other votes against jim jordan, john james from michigan. this is a trump district that he represents, but it was a very small margin for donald trump in that district. less than five points. that was a potentially di

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as far as don bacon goes, i called his office repeatedly because the act like a five-year-old and i have asked him over and over to quit but he keeps doing it like he wants to punish people. that is not his job. i respect the man immensely because we have political prisoners here in the united states and we are doing nothing for them. i hear no one talking for them. i am sorry, the man should never have been in speakership. without paul ryan because of it and of the whole country is paying. guest: i think that is a common view among republicans. it not be the majority view but it is a widely known view that we need somebody from the right flank to be the speaker and that mccarthy wasn't sufficient. the thing is it is not unanimous in what you need to do is find some way to bring people like the caller and people who would agree with them to say what can we agree on. that is what i was saying has not been done. people want to pretend these things aren't emotional and these differences are important enough to what we are seeing is they are. until you say the republican party's faction has

that was congressman don bacon, republican of nebraska, not voting present, voting for kevin mccarthyths

that worked so well don bacon voted for, kevin mccarthy.lity is that all of jim jordan's tactics, whether it's screaming in committee meetings or bullying his colleagues into submission revolve around one person, donald j. trump. but those tactics don't work for anyone else except donald trump, as evidenced by jordan's diminishing support for house speaker. he'll give it another try tomorrow. joining me now, is nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali and tara setmeyer, former adviser to lincoln project and former republican communication director. ali, i want to go to you first. the threats to me are the most sort of revealing and also disturbing part of this. because that has been the tactic that jim jordan is using. representative named miller meex, released a statement about receiving death threats after switching her vote against jim jordan. here is what she said, however, since my vote in support of chairwoman granger, i have received incredible death threats. my office is cooperating fully. one thing i cannot stomach or support

don bacon and ken buck, again consistent in votes not for jim jordan. after today's vote, chip roy, republican of texas, caught up with reporters on the capitol steps. here's what he had to say about the process. >> he's at 199, kevin was dunn to 200 at the low point of his voting in the 15 votes. i'm sticking with jordan through the process. the number is not dramatically different. with the four lost, two gained, plus one who came back. >> jordan said earlier he asked leadership to go ahead and put the resolution on the floor to keep mchenry in power because he wants to see where people are. what do you think -- mr. roy: i think what jim is doing is calling a bluff of people saying they're going to deal with democrats. good luck explaining that back home, that you're cutting a deal with the democrats. never in the history of this institution, to the best of my knowledge, have we ever appointed a speaker pro tem with ethis full pows of the speakership without a duly elected speaker. we have not done that. to do that would be playing games with such an

he voted for mccarthy, who is don bacon?epublican and represents that congressional district in nebraska that actually voted for joe biden by seven points in the 2020 election. he's a blue district republican and he voted -- probably in his political interest in that district not to be voting for jim jordan to be taking a public stand against him but interestingly there are 18 republicans in the house who come from blue districts like don bacon did, only six of them voted against jim jordan, the majority, two-thirds of them actually voted for jim jordan. well, you also saw, you have your guest earlier ken buck, ken buck from colorado, very conservative, not from a blue district, he seems to be dug in here against jim jordan when it comes to this. you go further down the list and you see other republicans, kay granger from texas, safely republican district. she's voting against jordan. mike kelley from pennsylvania, safely republican district, he's talked about this idea of patrick mchenry maybe becoming an interim 30-day spe

on the other hand, there's a lot on this list, starting with don bacon. bacon from nebraska, from the congressional district in nebraska -- nebraska, they do the electoral votes in the presidential election by congressional district. bacon's from the district in nebraska that voted for joe biden, voted for joe biden by seven points. bacon has been saying, he is a no. he will be a no on jim jordan. right away, you could have a vote against jordan very early on the republican side. you have ken buck from colorado who has been talking about jordan's refusal to fully accept the 2020 election results would make him a no potentially. you have -- right here, chavez-deremer, a republican in a district that voted for joe biden. mario diaz-balart -- this is almost five dozen deep, within the first set of names here, you could see jordan losing more than four votes. that's all he can afford to lose, four votes. he can't win on this first ballot. the question that might raise if that number gets across four very early, does that set up some kind of a snowball affect?

they come from blue districts, like don bacon. but the majority of these 18, 12 of these 18 actually voted for jim jordan in the roll call yesterday. and if there is some sense among that group of potentially politically vulnerable republicans that maybe they don't want to stay, you know, out there for jim jordan, that maybe there is an alternative path with all this talk of patrick mchenry, and some kind of deal there, those are republicans that might look at the this new vote here to see if there has been any movement there. some names for instance, brian fitzpatrick from pennsylvania, mike garcia, tom kaine jr. from new jersey, michelle steel from california, dave schweikert, arizona, david valadao from california, they represent biden districts, they voted for jim jordan yesterday, does this potential idea that is now in circulation of, hey, maybe it doesn't have to be jordan, maybe there is a way to get mchenry in there to make this look more bipartisan politically speaking, just in terms of their incentives in their home dis

>> i hope not. >> reporter: you heard that, that was just the luck of the draw that don bacon who's onef the moderate voices in the party, someone who was very critical of that band of conservatives that booted kevin mccarthy out, he is warning exactly what we're talking about, that this idea that if this goes to the floor, we could be in for another marathon before we get to the point of 217 votes for any one particular speaker. so there's no doubt that there's a lot of uncertainty here after this vote today. >> stand by both brian and michael steele, joining us now is former republican congressman fred upton of michigan speaking of moderates who know how to work across the aisle. good to see you again, congressman. i'm just wondering what your read is of the split vote today and whether it improves the chances of a speaker actually being chosen at some point after they get to the floor at 3:00, scheduled now for 3:00 this afternoon or whether it shows that there are too many divisions and it's not going to work. >> well, of course the vote was very close as everybody predicted. i woul

don bacon put out a tweet saying i am not budging. am a five-time commander deployed to the middle east four times. i will do what is best for the country. he is in no mood to budge. host: this is jimbo from bakersfield, california with this text. can you explain how a moderate can keep their seats if they vote for jim jordan? would he lose in 2024? guest: these are the questions that republicans are having to toy with. what they know for sure, democrats are seething at the opportunity to campaign against these biden district republicans. host: you are sort of dammed if you do dammed if you don't. guest: they write themselves. regardless, these biden district but republicans will have a campaign ads. host: let me get you one or two more calls. this is jerry from new jersey, a democrat, good morning. caller: i am a registered democrat i would not vote for a democrat again. i am amazed, not only listening to you. witnessing a person like jim jordan r a person like a donald trump you show who you are. c-span, you are just as bad. i notic

the argument is from those members like don bacon, why should they get behind jim jordan, given the factose same hard liners are backing jim jordan. they say they should go back to speaker mccarthy. and even one congresswoman wants steve scalise who would have been the replacement to kevin mccarthy to run for speaker. he said about efforts to try to pressure him to back jim jordan. he said if anybody is trying to get my vote, the last thing you want me to do is try to intimidate or pressure me because then i close out entirely. wolf? >> we'll see what happens tomorrow. manu raju, thank you for that update. other news we're following right now. the judge overseeing donald trump's federal election subversion trial has just issued new restrictions on trump's ability to speak about the case. our chief legal affairs correspondent paula reid is on the story for us tonight. paula, walk us through the judge's order and how it impacts the former president. >> reporter: well, wolf, these are the first significant restrictions on trump's speech, and these come ahead of his expected federal trial he

that threat did not work on congressman don bacon.oday he voted against jim jordan for speaker for a second time. and here is what the congressman had to say after that vote. they are messing with the wrong guy. i'm not going to be cowed by this stuff. several other republican congress members who voted against jordan also spoke today about threats and intimidation that their campaign's received. so the death threats may be an actual strategy here. tonight a republican congresswoman said she received credible death threats and a barrage of threatening calls since she switched her vote in order to oppose jordan in round two of voting today. and she added one thing i cannot stomach or support is a bully. we're going to unpack that right now with michelle goldberg, opinion columnist for "the new york times." michelle, first of all, republicans speaking out against bullies is a slightly cold comfort given who the sort of nominal head of the party is. >> right. although i guess it's impressive in that, you know, ump the moderate -- quote-u

. >> with that vote from house republican don bacon in favor of kevin mccarthy, which is essentially a no vote for jim jordan, we start to take note of the votes against jim jordan. remember, he can only afford three house republicans voting against him. we have a few in the b's that we're going to keep an eye on. the next one that we're going to keep an is buchanan of florida. he voted for jordan yesterday, but he might flip and peel away. also ken buck of colorado. those are the ones we're keeping an eye on in the b's. we anticipate that congressman jordan will not be able to get the 217 votes he needs today. is it 217? >> 217. he can only afford to lose three because one democrat is missing. >> he can't lose more than three. three against him is fine. four is not. let's listen in to pay attention to is buchanan, which comes in a few votes. buchanan of florida voted for jordan yesterday, but we opportunity there are going to be a few republicans who voted for jordan yesterday in a show of spirit, but now are going to start voting against him. he's going to start to lose votes in th

don bacon said his wife sleeps with a loaded gun now beside her bed. just, is this a rubicon that has been crossed? i don't know. donald trump, as you have written since 2006, was making threats for very, very long time. now, you know, we call this -- when other people take action. this is one stop short of, that these are followers of donald trump who are making threats on his behalf. >> yes, that is, you know, the way i see this is the gop, unfortunately, has internalized the principles of the coup attempt. which is striking through violence. it's institutionalize line. you mentioned that so many of the candidates were speaker are election deniers. let's remember that endgame of election denial. which tommy tuberville has said openly is to convince americans that elections are not the way. not the way they should choose their leaders. so we get to a top russi. the threats that are being made, by the, way jim jordan, to my knowledge, has not announced any of the existence of these threats. quite the contrary. and so threat is a way that the gop now co

don bacon from nebraska, ken buck on the conservative side continues to be dug in here. so far, there have been two new votes here, buchanan from florida, ferguson from georgia, both voted for jordan yesterday, have now voted against him. he is at 12. we are now getting close to the name -- i think we are about six away right now. we had nearly 190 members vote. the next anti-jordan vote from yesterday is john james from michigan. he had a meeting yesterday with jordan. he said they would get things worked a cryptic statement. he comes from a district that donald trump won but by only a few points, less than five points. he is coming up in two votes. this is one i think -- he voted for tom cole yesterday. if there's a chance here for jordan to be flipping, he is about to come up. let's see how he votes. he continues to be -- you will see it here. john james choosing not to vote for jim jordan. you have 11 who have voted, more than half who voted no yesterday, not a single one has flipped. next up is mike kelly from pennsylvania. red district, very conservative. kelly in

you had don bacon, the republican from nebraska who certainly was upset at the treatment that steve scalise got. he was the first one out of the ballot here and he voted for kevin mccarthy. at one point i asked him last night, the alphabetically, and the first up to vote and wished he had a z, but he was the first one out of the batch here. unless something changes or members vote present, if they were to switch their vote, which they can, or present, diminishes the threshold you need to vote for speaker that would lower the threshold. and some point what you have, and this is me reading the tea leaves, could you have maybe some members say okay, let's vote, even though we are for jim jordan, do we vote present that lowers the threshold. that's possible, although they are doing it in realtime. sometimes it's hard parlimentarily to call a play like that, like a play on the football field, but maybe say ok, let's go to a second ballot and try again if john and sandra, they think the votes are in range. >> sandra: as you have been speaking, there are some house members who are saying that they

don bacon is a regular on our show.e house of republican conference, when they were allowed to vote by secret ballot, jim jordan's support collapsed. he got far less than half of the conference. what does this tell us about where things are with the republican conference right now? >> that's right. over 100 people voted against him, but only 25 had the nerve to do so publicly. and that tells me that fascism is really infecting the republican party, the threat of violence, the use of violence instrumentally to get your way rather than through persuasion, argumentation, through a compromise, that's a telltale sign of a fascist regime. and it has been the tactic of the maga republicans to use this against other people outside the party, the press, democrats, members of the court. now, they are using it against each other, and they are simply outraged that this is going on. well, that threats were being made against fbi fbi, where were they when trump was making threats to judges and court personnel? so, i think what goes a

don bacon didn't fold because his wife got -- thank goodness for that. i think it shows that there's a limit to these kinds of threats and that maybe some of the republican party aren't a spineless at this they might have seemed during the trump years. i think all of that is good news and good progress within the republican conference. on the other hand, going back to the secret ballot, the billion kind of worked, because only 20 some odd, 20, 25 people voted against jim jordan with their name next to it. but over 100 people voted against him, or abstained, in the private ballot. that leads you to believe there are a lot of people that didn't want to vote for him, but maybe they weren't intimidated by the bullying, per se. maybe there was one part of it, but i think one thing they're worried about is the voters. their own voters, and what their response would be. i think that is the key element here. i think donald trump was able to weaponize his own voters, his own base voters, against these politicians. and intimidate them. in some ways, from fear of p

that's something that don bacon told my colleague, annie greer. then you heard kelly armstrong told you he was considering that or thought it would be a topic of conversation as well, wolf. really, they cannot do anything, like i said, until they elect a new speaker. we are not expecting to see election votes tonight. they have a lot of things they need to sort through. we'll learn more at this 6:45 p.m. meeting. >> melanie, thank you very much. melanie's words to our panel here, what she said, there's people considering quitting the problem solvers conference. there's nothing like taking your ball and going home when you're in the problem solvers conference. >> i'm not sure what kind of threat that may be. maybe some sort of -- something that says everything we need to know right now. congressman walsh, you've been in washington. this is your party. it's in chaos. this is disaster. they've got this meeting coming up, melanie says in these next 15, 20 minutes. what's going to go on in that room? >> they need to pick a speaker in five minutes. erin

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caller: someone like don bacon or of the more moderate republicans may decide to vote for hakeem jeffries over jim jordan. that is what i have to say. host: ok. that is aaron calling from south carolina. it was after nominating hakeem jeffries for house minority leader yesterday. it was pete aguilar, democratic chair, talking about representative jordan's candidacy for the office and his problems with it. here's a portion from yesterday. [video clip] >> we are here because the house has been thrown into chaos by two dangerous forces, extremism and partisanship. the american people place their faith in us to tackle pressing issues, lowering costs, growing the middle class and standing up to those set on delivering a national abortion ban. the choice is come together on a bipartisan path forward or take us over the cliff, abandon the extremism or triple on division and dysfunction. a vote today to make the architect of a nationwide abortion ban a vocal election denier and insurrection insider to the speaker of this house would be a terrible message to the country and our allies. [applause]

host: don bacon from yesterday. was it a mistake to move kevin mccarthy. don from virginia says it was. caller: even though mccarthy came across as untrustworthy, they were not robots that supported trump. it's time for the country to move forward with new ideas. we know where that got us. people just don't want to work together and this is the attitude that you get with people who think that way. they are tearing this country apart. it's too bad you can't vote to get rid of them because i'm sure we could get other folks in there. i'm afraid of paying my taxes, we need people to work together. there is a lot going on other than just worrying about politics. our country is in danger and were crying about supporting an idiot he was no longer in office. host: let us hear from thomas and rhode island. he said it was not a mistake to remove mccarthy. caller: from the standpoint of kevin mccarthy, i believe you have me in the wrong category. i don't believe he should have been removed. i believe he was a good leader. he had some great ideas. i believe he was pre

marian miller meeks is getting death threats, don bacon's wife is receiving threatening anonymous texts, staff is being cussed out on the phone. jordan's allies tactics are backfiring as detractors begin. jim jordan put out this tweet yesterday, "no american should accost another for their beliefs. we condemn threats against our colleagues and it is imperative we come together. stop, it is abhorrent." we will get to the front pages of the papers and that frontline on the israeli-hamas war. let's >> live to the pentagon with pentagon price secretary on military operations on the war between israel and hamas. >> let me address the ongoing situation in the middle east and the department of defense response and i'll discuss the reports of drone attacks against u.s. facilities in iraq and syria. as you are all aware, secretary austin recently directed steps to strengthen boss bolster to deter the strike group to the eastern mediterranean with the uss eisenhower. we are advancing our fighter aircraft in the central command region to provide additional capabilities. our posture in the u.s. nav

the reason i ask is it was congressman don bacon on this program earlier today saying that when it comes to george santos and the latest allegations against the republican from new york, healed there would be an ethics committee -- he hoped there would be an ethics committee investigation. guest: the ethics committee knows its job is to police wrongdoing by members of the house. it is their job to pay attention to those things. whether or not they need to launch a full ethics committee investigation is for them to determine. i don't know what information they have. i suppose that was the first step before any efforts to expel airports to force a resignation. given the charges that have been brought against congressman santos, it does raise the bar for his removal. host: does the ethics committee operate like the other committees where the membership is determined by proportion of control of the house? caller: eight used -- guest: it used to be an equal number of members. it was one of the few committees where it was a joint operation not based on a majority. i don't know how it is functi

at least three members acknowledged they received threats, and nebraska republican don bacon reportedous text messages that her husband wasn't a team player. >> i think any efforts, at any level, to try to intimidate or try to pressure, first, backfire, and second-place, are unacceptable and have to be rejected in the strongest of terms. >> reporter: jordan denied he or his allies had any involvement in the threats. some of your colleagues feel threatened. is there more you can do to tamp that down? >> with that -- there is no place for that. we have been totally against that. >> reporter: nearly three weeks after voting to remove then-speaker kevin mccarthy, the house remains stalemated, with republicans unable to unify behind a successor. >> it's astonishing to me, and we are in a very bad position, as a party. >> reporter: until the u.s. house reopens, the president's request for $105 billion in aid for israel and ukraine is frozen. and, the earliest they will vote on a new speaker contender is tuesday morning. norah? >> norah: scott macfarlane, thank you. an urgent manhunt is unde

nebraska congressman don bacon says his wife has received messages warning her to convince her husbandsupport jordan. >> it's crossing crossing boundaries. there's always, you know, we're going to primary and this thing, but i'm sort of used to that personally. but yeah, trying to bully my wife is wrong. >> and iowa congresswoman mariannette miller-meeks says she received, quote, credible death threats and a barrage of threatening calls. jordan responding saying, quote, no american should accost another for their beliefs. we condemn all threats against our colleagues and it is imperative live that we come together, stop its abhorrent. >> a speaker has not been elected. >> jordan lost his second bid for speaker yesterday, getting just 199 of the 217 votes he needs, losing support from the first vote. but he says he's not giving up. >> look, i already proven i can get from the most conservative members of the conference to the more moderate members of congress. >> jordan is a co founding member of the conservative house freedom caucus and has refused to acknowledge that former president

. >> congressman don bacon from the omaha area of nebraska is a more moderate republican. he told cnn that he would love to have gaetz out of the republican conference. he said, quote, he shouldn't be in the republican party, but when asked if he would be the one to make the move to kick him out, he said, i don't know, we'll talk about it privately. >> he had a district that went for biden, he's a retired general. what does it say about the republican party and their leaders? apparently you can brag on tape about grabbing women by the privates and they'll stand by you. you can fullment an insurrection and they'll stand by you. you can be indicted 91 times, adjudicated by a civil court for sexually abusing a woman on fifth avenue. they'll stand by you. but you pass a cr that's too big, he's out. >> 91 counts. >> sorry, 91 counts, four indictments. >> five if you count the superseding indictment. anyway, i take your point. kaitlan collins, i guess the big question is whether the house gop, like, what's going to happen, who are they going to pick. are they going to pick tom c

. >> congressman don bacon, good to see you. "the lead" will continue right now. joe biden on air force one flying home from israel. his trip to call for peace was complicated by that deadly blast at a gaza hospital that killed hundreds. joe biden said he has seen intelligence indicating the cause of the explosion was a misfired rocket from a islamic jihad militant group in gaza. >> i was outraged and saddened by the loss of life at the hospital in gaza. it appears to be the result of an errant group fired by a terrorist group in gaza. >> now, the gaza health ministry blamed the israeli military for explosion. but after investigating the matter, israel said they have evidence that the cause of the blast was a failed rocket blast from islamic jihad. israeli officials say the damage does not suggest an israeli missile. a spokesman for the israeli defense forces told me that the failed rocket from the islamic jihad was caught live on al jazeera. >> they were broad casting it live, and i have an image here of the launch of the broad cast. i screen captured what they d

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after the vote, republican don bacon said matt gaetz should be thrown out of the republican party.or chaos. we have so many important issues we have to decide on right now. appropriation bills, fire bell, defence bill, broken border right now and all that is going on hold. i think it weakens america and it is a good day if you are a russian government quy you are a russian government guy or chinese communist. they are probably smiling, giving high—fives to matt gaetz. one of the eight members of the republican party who voted to oust mccarthy, is congressman ken buck of colorado. he told us why he defended his vote. i will put my conservative record of voting up against anybody, particularly from someone from california like speaker mccarthy or some of the other critics who have criticised me from new york. i believe that we're spending too much money in this country. i could believe it is an existential threat to the country. i believe that we need to in this point of time make sure we are doing the right thing and spending responsibly and that is why voted the way i did. live now

after the vote, republican don bacon said matt gaetz should be thrown out of the republican party.arlier i spoke with mr bacon, before mccarthy announced he's not running again for speaker. congressmen, great to have you back on bbc news. your thoughts on what we saw happen today. fix, on what we saw happen today. bad day for america. we had eight republicans vote with 100% of republicans — as democrats to remove speaker mccarthy and it is really a vote for chaos. we had so many important issues we have to decide on right now, appropriations bills, farmville, defence bill, and all of this will go on hold. i think it weakens america and i think it weakens america and i think it's a good day if you are a russian government guy or are a russian government guy or a chinese communist, you are probably, they are probably smiling are given high—fives to matt gaetz. did smiling are given high-fives to matt gaetz— matt gaetz. did you speak to an of matt gaetz. did you speak to any of the — matt gaetz. did you speak to any of the eight _ matt gaetz. did you speak to any of the eight members i

maybe it is in -- tom colorful of oklahoma, don bacon, wisconsin mike gallagher, skip no from arkansas, where texas mike mccaul, or even liz cheney. i get that this is a long haul, but it is not mission impossible. in fact, it just might be the most practical path forward for the country. >> john, you know, i admire your optimism. but you know what, one of those names you put out, there he voted for jim jordan today. what makes you think the democrats are going to -- any of these republicans? >> there have been bipartisan talks going on in the background since last week. hakeem jeffries wrote an op-ed saying, he would support a bipartisan coalition. this is a nascent movement to be sure. it is a plan c 40. someone like him has been mentioned behind the scenes, that because he is respected across the aisle. as a conservative, you've met. is he seen as trustworthy? that is. well >> so, i'm going to largely agree with you. i want to offer a different name. so liz cheney as much as i would love for that happen, i don't know if she would get a single vote in the house republican congress. c

after the vote, republican don bacon said matt gaetz should be thrown out of the republican party.cide on right now. the farm bill, the defence bill, we have a broken border right now. i think it weakens america and i think it's a good day if you are a russian government guy or chinese communist. they are probably smiling. one of the eight members of the republican party who voted to oust mccarthy is congressman ken buck of colorado. he told us why he defended his vote. i will put my record to voting against anybody especially against someone like california like speaker mccarthy or some other critics who have criticised me from york. i believe we are spending too much money, i believe it's an existential threat to this country and we need to at this point in time make sure that we are doing the right thing and spending responsibly and that's why i voted the way i did. drjulie norman is the co—director of the centre on us politics at university college london. she says this is not american politics' finest day. it's not a good look for the republican party, the congress or for the

if it can't be kevin mccarthy, what is if they put forward don bacon. we need to stop having these parties polarization drive all of our politics and be beholden to the extremes. this is as good a moment as any for that moment of truth. >> erroll what does it mean beyond the 47 days, let's hope we get through it, let's see what happens with ukraine funding and border funding. he leads a conference that he cannot promise there will be 218 votes behind those. >> that's been the problem all along. >> right. but it is -- it is so clear now. >> it is -- it is -- right. it is very clear and he's unable to do -- it's not considered a formal aspect of running the government but it's a political reality that if you shake hands, metaphorically or literally with the president of the united states, and say you're going to do funding at a certain level and this is going to see us through the year -- >> on a government deal. >> the government deal for may and you come back and try to reopen it, undo it, nothing works. nothing in the system is designed for that level

we spoke to one of your colleagues, don j to one of your colleagues, don bacon earlier, i will pay you it bacon earlier, i will pay you a clip of what he said.— clip of what he said. it is really a _ clip of what he said. it is really a vote _ clip of what he said. it is really a vote for - clip of what he said. it is really a vote for chaos, i clip of what he said. it is - really a vote for chaos, there were — really a vote for chaos, there were so _ really a vote for chaos, there were so many important issues were so many important issues we have — were so many important issues we have to _ were so many important issues we have to decide on right now. appropriations bill, farmville, defence — appropriations bill, farmville, defence bill, we have a broken and all— defence bill, we have a broken and all of— defence bill, we have a broken and all of this will go on hold and all of this will go on hold and it— and all of this will go on hold and it is— and all of this will go on hold and it is a _ and all of this will go on hold and it is a bad day for america but a — and it is a bad day

. >> dagen: what makes zero sense, don bacon voted for mccarthy yesterday and today, jordan was kevin mccarthy's right hand. he was his lieutenant. if you like mccarthy, you like jordan, upside down, backward-ass world republicans are living in. >> emily: more to come, including this, president biden facing immense pressure to stand up to iran as iran threaten major escalation in the middle east. iranian embassy in syria posted this chilling message on social media after hamas tried to pin the hospital explosion on israel, "time is up." iran foreign minister repeated that message after the terrible crime of the zionist regime in the bombing and massacre of 1000 nnlt women and children in the hospital. the time has come for global unity of humanity against this fake regime more hated than isis and killing machine, time is over. joining us is iowa senator, joni ernst, u.s. army combat veteran and senator, just came back from israel meeting with the prime minister there. tell us what we need to know? >> absolutely and thank you for the time. it is incredibly important that the united sta

another member don bacon told me we're not here to accommodate eight people who just kicked us in the shins really bad. suggesting he would not back any of the candidates and one of those eight members got behind someone in particular to succeed kevin mccarthy. another member, mike lawler, went after matt gaetz, the ring leader of the effort. successfully pushing out mccarthy, calling him a vile person. i asked gaetz about that. he declined to comment. would not respond to that question. this all comes as the candidates who are pitching themselves here, jim jordan and steve scalise, are trying to push themselves as the unity camp. someone who can bring the party together. suggesting that despite all this, they can achieve that goal. that would be incredibly difficult given what we're hearing from these members and it had real fear now among the house gop is that this race could drag on for some time and they could perhaps not get a candidate who would be the reckry sit vote to be elected raising the possibility of another candidate emerging. a lot of questions and deep uncertainty at

congressman don bacon said how all this went down put a bad taste in his mouth. >> the problem is when rules and puts in the spot, we are saying we need to get on board. opportunity work for some of and yous majority of us have been stepped on for this. reporter: a source familiar telling me that jordan is waking up today confident he will get the votes. it's unclear though if he'll get it on the first round. remember it took mccarthy 15 rounds to actually get that gavel. back to you guys. >> hillary vaughn live on capitol hill. you beat all the congressmen to work today. thank you. >> what do you think will happen today, lawrence? reporter: i think for a couple rounds and a lot will flip because it's been made public. >> nowhere to go. wwhere else you going to go? >> they know how important it is to find a speaker. >> it's a role call vote and we'll know if they voted yay or nay. >> will he wear a player? >> that's a great question. >> 9:00 here in new york and

don bacon, who sits in the district that biden won, said last night that many members feel they are yangyanked around the small margin of members who are not playing by the rules. >> we need some votes of the rules. they are getting pulled off committee. what has happened is not working. we have a minority of the majority kicking our butts. >> a number of republicans who opposed jordan called yesterday for unity behind him. they said they now support jordan. remember, the house is unable to pass any legislation, including expected aid for israel as well as government funding bill until they get the speaker. now the pressure is really on with the house right now given that the senate is back in session and biden is expected to send his funding billi on israe this week. frank. >> emily, jordan is the fr frontrunner. mccarthy took 15 rounds of votes. how long will it take for jim jordan? >> reporter: that is a great question, frank. at this point, it doesn't seem he will get it in the first round unless he has changed minds since last night. republicans don't want this to go on for 15 rounds. the

. >> congressman don bacon, good to see you. "the lead" will continue right now. joe biden on air force one flying home from israel. his trip to call for peace was complicated by that deadly blast at a gaza hospital that killed hundreds. joe biden said he has seen intelligence indicating the cause of the explosion was a misfired rocket from a islamic jihad militant group in gaza. >> i was outraged and saddened by the loss of life at the hospital in gaza. it appears to be the result of an errant group fired by a terrorist group in gaza. >> now

by our count, there are at least five who say they are a firm no including don bacon of nebraska. >> i'm trying to express where a bunch of us are at. we've been walked on. everybody says you got to forget that, you got to be with the team. where were they when they did this to kevin? >> that was a reference to kevin mccarthy. he of course is the deposed speaker that happened two weeks ago today. let's bring in eva mckend. good morning. always great to see you. i have to say, my sense in talking to sources around this is that jordan's momentum is moving. and while there are people who say that they will vote no, this group of relative moderates, you know, some of them this districts that supported joe biden, are much less willing to essentially nuke the entire effort and take jordan down on the floor than the matt gaetz hardliners that were willing to take down kevin mccarthy. how do you see today playing out? >> i think that you have the right pulse on things. he still has a math problem. but the numbers are going in the right direction for congressman jordan. several moderate membe

don bacon tells reporters, he supported expelling matt gaetz after the vote. he said he shouldn't be in our conference. he's not a republican. what is your reaction to that? let's hear from tyler in clarence city, new york, tyler. go ahead. caller: i think with all of this the government is dysfunctional. we need to be focused on the 45 days. and if everyone keeps bickering, people are going to lose their livelihood. people get their and there won't be nick of income. and both parties are bickering. republicans see and democrats can't support them. it's funding the government and keep bickering. host: tyler noting that the continuing resolution is up in 48 days and then all sides have to go back to the negotiating table and have to come up with a number to fund the government for fiscal year 2024 or pass another continuing resolution. let's go to melissa in new york, independent. caller: i'm just frustrated. i want a government that functions and i really don't think that the politicians are paying attention to what average americans think but paying attention

listen to don bacon, he refused to vote for jim jordan.mchenry, watch. >> i support giving patrick mchenry the speaker pro tem more authority, give authority for budget, the border, ukraine, israel. it will take legislation to do so. we are confident next vote he will lose five or six more votes. >> cheryl: a lot of business, budget, ukraine, israel and the government shutdown looming next month because current funding runs out. some democrats might push for changes to the rules to bring bipartisan support bill to the floor to get something done. right now we know the house is paralyzed. jim jordan has been a proponent of drastic federal spending cuts. this is where his party is pushing back. that is not realistic, democrats control the senate and white house. as far as his opponents, mar marianette miller-meeks has received death threats. it is getting ugly in the halls of congress and unbefitting of the united states. she says and i quote, we are -- she said she received a credible death threat and barrage of threatening calls, not from

someone like, for example, don bacon, the congressman from nebraska. he is known as somebody who works across the aisle, part of the problem solvers caucus in the u.s. congress. moderates working together to find solutions on issues like infrastructure. so this could go in any one of number of different ways. what is absolutely clear is when matt gets a effectuated his commute any, there was no plan b. here is somebody we want to be speaker instead. it will be, again, very interesting to see how this develops over the next several day. >> and of course the other big point is what happens now to crucial funding for ukraine? >> well, that has always been a subject of significant debate, particularly within the republican party. cnn has done some polling recently that shows somewhere between 60 and 70% of republican voters actually oppose more funding for ukraine. and so it would not be surprising to see a number of republican officer holders also take that view. i do think the majority of republicans in the house want to continue funding ukraine. i think