. >> would you trust donald trump or ben carson has commander in chief right now? >> i don't know. i hear them speaking give me some concern. that's why we have campaigns. everybody will have chance to lay out their visions. i'm more concerned about hillary clinton thinking the united states doesn't have a leadership role in this. >> do you believe jeb bush when he says he trusts them? >> no, i don't believe him at all. i don't think the majority of republican candidates would trust donald trump or ben carson to lead in a moment of crisis, to lead in the fight against isis. he's lying when he says that. i think he thinks they are amateurs and by there crisis becoming what it is right now with paris being attacked that people will be scared by the idea of donald trump being in charge or ben carson being in charge and will look toward the adults in the race like him or marco rubio or ted cruz. >> for the hawkish rhetoric or the rhetoric about clash of civilizations. it is striking to me there is one candidate in the race on the republican side who is very actively calling for america

. >> would you trust donald trump or ben carson has commander in chief right now? >> i don't know.he words that i hear them speaking give me some concern. that's why we have campaigns. everybody will have chance to lay out their visions. i'm more concerned about hillary clinton thinking the united states doesn't have a leadership role in this. >> do you believe jeb bush when he says he trusts them? >> no, i don't believe him at all. i don't think the majority of republican candidates would trust donald trump or ben carson to lead in a moment of crisis, to lead in the fight against isis. he's lying when he says that. i think he thinks they are amateurs and by there crisis becoming what it is right now with paris being attacked that people will be scared by the idea of donald trump being in charge or ben carson being in charge and will look toward the adults in the race like him or marco rubio or ted cruz. >> for the hawkish rhetoric or the rhetoric about clash of civilizations. it is striking to me there is one candidate in the race on the republican side who is very actively callin

. >> would you trust donald trump or ben carson as commander in chief right now? >> i don't know.i hear them speaking give me concern. that's why we have campaigns, chuck. as you know, everybody will have a chance to lay out their visions. i'm more concerned about hillary clinton thinking the united states doesn't have a leadership role in this. >> olivia, do you believe jeb bush when he says that he does essentially by ooh mission say he trusts them to be commander? >> i don't think so at all. i don't think the majority of republican candidates would trust donald trump or ben carson to lead in a moment of crisis, to lead in the fight against isis. i think he is sort of lying when he says that. i think he thinks they are amateurs, just too risky and is hoping by this crisis becoming what it is right now with paris being attacked that people will be scared by the idea of donald trump being in charge or ben carson being in charge and look towards the adults in the race like him -- he's not hoping this, of course, but marco rubio or ted cruz. >> for all of the headachish rhetoric, or

this time we -- if you don't believe donald trump or ben carson's going to be the nominee, well then who is? so i think it's a lot more volatile than it was four years ago.think the potential for a donald trump or ben carson to be the nominee is higher today than it ever has been before. is it possible that the republican party suddenly decides to strt of step out a little bit and goes to a little more traditional way and maybe it's jeb bush, maybe marco rubio? but i don't think so. i think when you look at the different things that have happened, craig, in kentucky this week, an outsider candidate who republicans said was unelectable is the governor and won by ten points. a lot of conservatives believe they don't have to settle this time. and i think it means we are in for a long ride. it will be twists, turns, pops of popcorn, sit back and enjoy the show. >> we will do it, my friend. >> the gift that keeps giving. see you in a bit on "meet the press" where your guests are donald trump, bernie sanders, carly fiorina and ben carson. >>> the fbi has been asked by russia to join the inv

candidates, whether that's hillary clinton on benghazi, hillary clinton on anything in her past, donald trump or ben carson, we have to expect honesty and integrity in our candidates. when we are giving up our rights as dedicated american citizens and voters. >> one of the referees in all of this will be the media in terms of how to than debate. does this help the candidates in terms of going into this next republican debates tomorrow night when there are republicans on stage and fox businesses trying to say it's not engaged in the gotcha questions that cnbc seemed to be engaged in? >> it may help but as you mentioned before there are going to be serious questions about their financial policies. fox business news will ask ben carson, look are you talking about tithing or 15% business tax? they're going to ask trump about their plans and marco rubio about his plans, that will be enough of a challenge for all the candidates. >> how will the candidates do if that's most of the focus of the debate? >> i think it's going to hurt some of them. in my opinion i think the toughest debate thus far was actually the f

i don't think donald trump or ben carson get the nomination. then it's really down to the other three. rubio, cruz and bush. bush is not out of this by any stretch of the imagination. he still has a very big oorgz around the country as we saw in his documentary. there's a lot of bush people out there and they know how to win elections. i just don't really believe donald trump is going to be our nom nay and i certainly don't believe ben carson will be our nominee. if that's the case, jeb still has a chance. >> are some of the supporters right saying the poll numbers don't matter at this point and the fact that he will still in it bodes well for him? >> yeah, i think it does. i think if i was marco rubio's people, i would be very happy about this polling. and about carson, for the first time, about half of republican voters say carson is their first or second choice. that's the first time we've seen that and that's an important number for ben carson. and i think he's the clear front-runner at this point. i agree with john, anything can change. bu

whether something is fundamentally different about the republican party and someone like donald trump or ben carsonn-- . >> trevor: but people haven't settled down. don't worry, trevor, it's summer madness. it happens every year. ha, ha, ha, ha. and now guys are like he's still in the lead? ha, ha, ha. like it's not changing. >> that is exactly right. and so that, i think, is an argument for what is happening now. the other thing that matters now, you have already seen, whatever ends up happening, this period of time has already knocked out two people. scott walker and governor rick perry who would in another counter factual universe be plawsable nominees in the republican party. you don't think so. >> trevor: no, no, i was just picturing this universe. i was picturing all the things happening in the universe where they were the most-- that say strange thing to think about. okay. so i watched the debates. i do not understand-- does the term debate, is it being used loosely now? because i feel like it's no longer a debate now, right. it's just a. >> part of that is like saying i'm going to go play t

this time, you know, if youou dodot believe donald trump or ben carson is going to be the nominee, then who is? i think it's a lot more volatile than it was four years ago. i think the potential for a donald trump or a ben carson to be t t nominee is higher today than it ever has been before. is it possible that the republican party suddenly decides to sort itself out a little bit and goes to a little more of a traditional way, and maybe it's jebeb bush, maybe marco rubio, but i don't think so. i think when you look at the different things that have happened, craig, in kentucky this week, an outsider was unelectable, guess what? they have a new republican governor. he's not unelectable and won by ten points. i think a lot of conservative voters believe they don't have to settle this time. i think it means we are in for a long ride. i think it's going to be twists and turns. enjoy the show. >> we will do it, m m frfrnd. >> chuck todd, thank you. we'll see you in a bit on "meet the press," where you'll have donald trump, bernie sanders and cacay fiorina. >>> the investigation into the rus

. >> there is a conventional wisdom, a sense that donald trump or ben carson would not be particularly electable in a general election and that the party is flirting with danger here. do you share those concerns? jennifer horn: what i have no doubt about is that the american people are going to reject hillary clinton as their next president. she is a failed leader and she has failed the american people area did i have no doubt that when the time comes, they are going to choose a new, responsible path for our country. and that will be whoever the republican nominee is. matt: -- republican nominee is. matt: it is interesting, because whether people want to vote in the democratic or the republican primary, there is a sense that the democratic primary would not be that interesting. the democratic primary is still kind of interesting, bernie sanders -- are you hearing anything or sensing anything about where the independent voters are? who they may benefit? is jeb bush a benefactor? jennifer horn: you know, that is a great question. a part of that goes back to the original question that you

. >> many republicans think it's impossible that someone like a donald trump or ben carson could actuallyin the nomination. ted cruz is a different story. he's 18% in iowa. he's clearly gaining momentum. i think the question that republicans face now is will they start to speak out against ted cruz. he's not personally liked in washington. even by his colleagues in the senate. people are not speaking out against him. >> should be interesting to poll the establishment republicans. it you had to pick, who would you pick? >> up on capitol hill, john, stand out week for a freshman republican lawmaker. martha mcsally is a retired air force colonel. essentially held gabrielle giffords seat. she gave the saturday morning radio address saying the u.s. needs to be more force fful wit the military mite in the middle east. gop aids tell it seems to me he had a stand out week behind closed doors. using her military experience she was walking her colleagues through the details of what a military response might look like. for a party in desperate need of younger and female faces and voices, especially

the reason that the top tier, which happens to be donald trump, ben carson or ben carson, donald trump, doesn't matter. they lead the rest of the people. the american people and the mood and i hear it every day on my radio show is they are looking for outsiders because they believe that outsiders, not establishment candidates, are our best hope in order to truly change things. that's what we're seeing. >> they have staying power. herman, always good seeing you. thank you very much. these are issues coming you have that bring us six days until the big debate at 6:00 p.m. with sandra smith and trish regan and then debate number two with maria bartiromo and gerard baker. here's something we thought. we thought we would talk about money and the economy and business. we thought we would talk about what we are as a network. we embrace who we are. we're not money, red, blue or green. we like tracking money. where it's going. where it's not going. that's what we're going to do in six days. meanwhile, we still are finding out or trying to find out what happened to that russian plane that crashe

not poll-leading donald trump or ben carson. trump comes in second, then cruz, bush, carson, and the others. my first rand paul near the bottom. you can check these odds on my website at johnstossel.com. they update every five minutes. since the debate began, rand paul is up a little, so i can still hope. the betting, do you not agree, do you agree? the betting is more accurate than the polls? >> i think it is. when you back at prior election cycles you can see the people who were leading the polls at this time did not end up being close to the nominee. they'retes. by state. it's a lot different than taking a national poll. >> the first comment from a candidate at the debate that made me want to scream was this from donald trump. >> i can't be neil. and the reason can't be is we are a country that's being beaten on every front economically, militarily. there's nothing that we do now to win. we don't win anymore. >> we're being beaten economically. what does this even mean? >> they say america is the greatest country in the world,

>> and it is interesting that donald trump and ben carson say, look seven or eight years ago there was michele bachmann or herman cain and at some points they were doing well, but only for a few weeks if that. these two leaders have been doing well for # 100 days. >> it is a scenario that you cannot compare so. and donald trump sort of has the e ceiling, and he has been sitting there at 23% or so, and people have made up their minds. he has a core of support that is not going anywherement, but i do believe that dr. carson is coming under new scrutiny and we will see if he has more staying power than others, but until they start to fall away, you won't see anybody getting up to the numbers. >> and i am told that it is going to be focusing on the key economic features on a fox business debate and focus on finance and business as opposed to some orff of the more -- to some of the more personal stuff. >> we need to watch ted cruz. >> we will watch them all. >> and now, joining us live in 20 minutes, we will find out the assessment from milwaukee. >> and meanwhile, the crash of the airliner

be peace and security in the region and less lessening the threat -- >> would you trump donald trump or ben carsonow. >> some of the words they're speaking are concerning me, but that's why we have campaigns. i'm more currented about hillary clinton saying the united states leadership doesn't have a role in this. >> so you agree with governor o'malley? >> about what? >> that america's leadership role. that they have to, that this is america's fight more so than the world's fight. >> it is both. and i think governor o'malley probably agrees with me. if he is suggesting that we need to lead, kudos to him. we cannot lead from behind. we need to inspire our arab partners and the european countries, the n.a.t.o. allies, all of them. unleash a strategy on isis. >> let me go to the refugee issue, should we still try to accept some syrian refugees and what do you do with them? >> the majority need to be safely kept in syria. we need to build a coalition that can fight assad and isis. i think our focus ought to be on the christians that have no place in syria any more. they're being beheaded and executed b

donald trump or been carson? >> donald trump has been polling number one for 100 days. romney was an up and down fickle at the top jockeying between one and two. here is a consistent front runner. and ben 50% of g.o.p. voters have him at one or two. that is significant. and i predict that ben carson will be the nominee. >> we'll go to that but we'll go round robin. rick, who is the match-up? >> i think the match-up is hillary clinton is appearing to ca consolidate and live up to her reputation. there is a coalescing around her. and if i were to put odds today i would say that marco rubio would be the nominee for a couple of reasons. i think that trump and carson are oversold stocks and there is a desire to see someone who can face up against hillary clinton not only on the debate stage but on the campaign trail and defeat her. >> so charles blow, what do you think? >> i think it's an unanswerable question. if you take today, you would -- obviously project clinton and maybe project rubio or bush. i don't count bush out as much as other people do. but there are all the unknowables and things you cannot predict and you have, like you said, an entire year for those things to bubble up. >>

that they are grown-ups, and as opposed to what the people see as fringe candidates, like donald trump or ben carson be hurt by this, and ben says that the fluid is good, base isaling to the good. untangle this for us. trying tohink he is explain why donald trump was doing well and why he is still doing well. some that have glitzy with the subject and having some experience managing something that is significant and approaches the kind of seriousness that this will require will be an advantage, and here in the republican field, it does not seem to be. it is on bass, and whoever can be the most outrageous and bombastic seems to be winning, and that is donald trump, and people think he is strong and decisive, and they might think but thelittle reckless, bases going to reward that in donald trump right now. we shall see. it should be a moment for jeb bush, but it is not clear it will be. you were working for bernie sanders, what would you tell him on the policy before the iowa caucuses? steve: well, he needs to sit down and think about what to say. moving onto his stump speech was a little bit tone dea

donald trump or ben carson?s just vaulted past the donald in yet another national poll. carson is ahead by six points in an nbc news/"wall street journal" survey. at 29%. so what does trump have to say about the latest polling? >> i like ben, but ben can't do the job. there's no question about it, he can't do the job. he's not going to be able to negotiate with

it to crown the front-runner and new hampshire is even more important when you price in donald trump or ben carsonht win new hampshire. new hampshire is totally wide open. 18 carson. 16 for trump. 11 for rubio. it feels like a huge moment in this campaign of who can take that state. >> absolutely. and, you know, you mentioned that poll so you do see outsiders like ben carson and donald trump still leading the pack over here. but marco rubio in that same poll, the support tripled since where he was in september so you really do see that shift that's occurred since both the second and third presidential debate. he packed a town hall here in new hampshire. there were people watching rubio from outside in an overflow area. they were very -- he was very warmly received and the other end of the stage jeb bush trying to revive his own campaign acknowledging he has to get better. >> yeah. if you're jeb bush, i mean, i honestly think he is right to ignore national polls. we should note new hampshire is not kind to the bush family. george h.w. bush lost to but can yoen and george to john mccain. not like th

dynamics of this race are shaping up, the notion somehow they are content and happy with ben carson or donald trump, i mean i would suggest to my good friend on the other side that he talked to his republican friend because they seem to be in nightmare scenarios envisioning prospect of donald trump or ben carson being the nominee. i mean here's reality. republican party has this struggle going on between the outsiders an insiders. not surprising. there is incredibly vitriolic anti-washington wing of the republican party speaking out but the problem they have with both ben carson and donald trump these are not viable candidates in general election. marco rubio i grant you is much more viable candidate, much more competitive. he will have tough time. saw in the press conference, donald trump just slamming him. they have a serious problem on their hands. i'm more worried about them than democrats. jon: chris kofinis giving you gop analysis from the democratic side. mike shields also with us from the republican side. thank you both. >> thank you. jon: gop presidential candidates face off again one week

helps the issue has turned to somebody like chris christie because he's stronger on than a donald trump or ben carson>> it brings up more that he hugged the president. >> more on this later. first an update on what's happening in paris as we move into the mid hour of 3:00, we'll be watching prothe protests are having at place te le republique ahead of the climate talks and what sort of law enforcement action will happen as the demonstrators gather on the streets, not supposed to demonstrate during the state of emergency that is in place. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line. what's in your wallet? it takesi'm on the move.. to all day long...ss. and sometimes, i just don't eat the way i should. so i drink boost to get the nutrition that i'm missing. boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones a

jindal or you're mike huckabee, your objectives for the debates are very different if you're donald trump or ben carson and are leading. or you're jeb bush and are trying to get back in to the majority conversation. so i think along the way, it's inevitable that you're going to see some push and pull between these campaigns. it is not going to all be, look, we're all friends and we have the same objective and we're going to move forward. >> whether that is avoiding awkward moments when there's a little bit too much sweat on the forehead or gulping of water. chris jansing, good to see you. >>> joining me now, conservative radio host steve dace, here in studio, msnbc political analyst for "the nation," joan walsh. as we jump into this on a monday morning. steve, first, when you have the rnc to be shut out of last night's meeting how bad does that look for them and hue, if at all, does that muddle things between what these campaigns want and the rnc and the friction there? >> well, what you're looking at is just another sign of a political party in the midst of a civil war. the rnc mismanaged this from th

donald trump or ben carson? the doctor has just vaulted past the donald in yet another national poll. carson is ahead by six points in an nbc news/"wall street journal" survey. at 29%. so what does trump have to say about the latest polling? >> i like ben, but ben can't do the job. there's no question about it, he can't do the job. he's not going to be able to negotiate with china. our trade deals are a horror, our military is a mess. >> you don't think ben carson can rise to the occasion? >> no, i don't think he can do that. >> what is it about ben carson that a lot of people are going, there's something about him. >> i think he's a nice person, i like him. but i don't understand it. >> so that was this morning on "fox and friends." trump came out in epic form to greet them on the couch and answered the questions, dana to talk about the latest polling. his main criticism was i don't think this is a guy who can get deals done. >> this is what happens when you have candidates in competition what i think that donal

does it sound to you like, for the republican establishment who's wary of a donald trump or ben carson? >> you know, the rumors of mitt romney's presidential ambitions have proceeded him before. we keep hearing them. i think if the republicans aren't able to have a clear nominee he maybe a consensus candidate but short of that i'm not sure he is ready to get in. >> before this happened on friday, people i know talked about a brokered convention, a brokered convention, a very different election cycle. thank you so much. >>> coming up next, what will happen tomorrow when the president of france addresses the french congress in versailles? a city of roughly 2 million people, we are having 5,000 new cars being sold every month. this is a very big problem for us with respect to fast and efficient transportation. it's kind of a losing proposition to keep going this way. we are trying to tackle the problem with several different modes. one of them is the brand new metro. we had a modest forecast: 110,000 passengers per day in the first line. we are already over 200,000. our collaboration with

does it sound to you like, for the republican establishment who's wary of a donald trump or ben carsondy to jump in? >> you know, the rumors of mitt romney's presidential ambitions have proceeded him before. we keep hearing them. i think if the republicans aren't able to have a clear nominee he maybe a consensus candidate but short of that i'm not sure he is ready to get in. >> before this happened on friday, people i know talked about a brokered convention, a brokered convention, a very different election cycle. thank you so much. >>> coming up next, what will happen tomorrow when the president of france addresses the french congress in versailles? i tried depend last weekend. it really made the difference between a morning around the house and getting a little exercise. only depend underwear has new confidence core technology for fast absorption and the smooth, comfortable fit of fit-flex™ protection. get a coupon at depend.com the medicare enrollment deadline is just a few weeks away. changes to medicare plans could significantly impact your healthcare costs. to find out if you're a

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but each week, we have a new story about the republican front runner, whether or not it's donald trump or ben carson. i don't think it is going to knock him down. in fact, i think this is going to prop him up. >> and that's been his prediction too. dr. carson's prediction, all right, matt, we'll talk again, thank you so much. >> take care. >> thank you. >>> now let's again talk about overseas, that plane crash, investigators still not knowing the cause of that russian plane crash, but the united states is already responding with security changes. we'll tell you what's being done, straight ahead. whatever you're doing, plan well and enjoy life... ♪ or, as we say at unitedhealthcare insurance company, go long. of course, how you plan is up to you. take healthcare. make sure you're covered for more than what just medicare pays... consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company... you might give this a try... the only medicare supplement plans that carry the aarp name, and the ones that millions of people trust year after year. plan well. enjoy life. go

if you look at past debates, that the audience is measuring their likes or dislikes of donald trump or ben carsonought donald trump had a big moment when he showed more passion, he's a passionate guy about the military with iraq and pointing out we don't know who we support. we have made that mistake a lot of times. we think we're supporting opposition groups, they end up being worse. good point. >> i think trump did things he needed to do, which he continued to do. and not as flamboyant. >> let jeb speak. >> yes. going after interruption may not have played well with some. he did well, he held his own, same with carson. but they're viewed on a different level. >> i say watch cruz's and rubio's number. >> cruz was awesome. rubio was impressive as he always is. i think cruz was. >> cruz was hated by the establishment. >> yes. that was the pressure with reagan as well. you have a man who is going to have to navigate that. the establishment does have to admit it. i think the next debate is going to be teared done more. chris christie, i'm not a big fan and i'm beginning to like him. i will support w

the same thing would happen if you ended up with a ted cruz or donald trump or ben carson winning the nomination. i am not so sure it is going to move inexorably in another direction. but that is a topic for another day. otherwise, democrats can pick up seats this next time. if you look at the sheets, you can see how different the electorate is for a presidential election year compared to the midterm election year. that is becoming even more distinct. categories in a presidential election year that work to the advantage of democrats, and that includes people not married. it includes having more women. it includes a larger share of minorities and a larger share of younger voters. that works to the advantage of democrats. that can help in some districts. but the structure of districts is such that if democrats managed to pick up 10 seats, that under most circumstances now would be seen as a big victory. the senate on the surface has a great chance for democrats to win back the majority. 24 seats held by republicans, only 10 held by democrats. seven of the republican seats held in states