but i would -- can i point to donna rice hughes? remember the gary hart scandal from the '80s? donna rice hughes was caught in a scandal in her mid-20s and spent the rest of her life. she became a christian, and she spent the rest of her life fighting against child pornography. >> right. >> she is a hero. there is a path forward for her. and there is a path forward for her to deal with. >> i think that's a very important point. and monica lewinsky has said that she wants to help against bullying and this kind of stuff. but you did point out that people maybe owe her an angie on the left. but do you think people on the right like ken starr and others who used her as a political weapon owe her an apology? >> i don't think he used her. i think what happened is the direct result of the president lying under oath. i mean, i was here for this. and we can go back and refight that whole thing if you guys want to. i was here for that. and most of you were too. >> all right. >> but the bottom line is the left treated and the clinton machine treat herd horribly. she is a victim. and she wa

donna rice hughes has not only thrived but survived after linking to former presidential candidate gary. welcome back, donna. you told "the daily beast" a lot of men have gone through these things and the women get crushed and it feels like you're being raped in front of the world. why do you think men and women are treated so differently after a scandal like this? >> well, i think that there's just a general double standard to a large degree and these kinds of situations, usually it's the man that is the public figure who already has established credibility and usually is fairly popular, like president clinton, for instance. and they also have a circle of people around them that can close the wagons around and protect them to a degree. whereas, the woman often is not known and so she comes into the spotlight with all of this around hearn no one really to protect her. you don't have a lawyer, a pr person or anything else and it could be very, very qufg. but i do believe that there is a double standard and we have a tendency to trash women in these kinds of situations, rather than see th

but this week, donna rice hughes is devoted to make the internet safer for kids, with enough is enough. thank you for joining us. >> hi, bill, good to be with you. >> what did you think when you saw the piece regarding monica and vanity fair, trying to take back her narrative. >> i applaud her for trying, i thought she was very articulate. my heart went out to her, bill, i think she has had a rough time for a lot of reasons. and it is very hard for anybody to really empathize with this sort of perfect storm scenario and not be able to get on with your life. fortunately i made some choics s that moved me along. there was not anyone prior to me that had kind of carved that path. so it is a difficult thing no matter what you are. >> you are i guess pre-internet, so you had relative anonymity. but what was it like seeing your face in news print? >> well, it was not anonymity at all. what happened was when the real news goes tabloid, and the perceptions, it is hard to break through the labels and perceptions, so for me, it was like a year and a half. i came to a fork in the road where i cou

in a few minutes we will talk to donna rice hughes whose relationship with then senator gary hart derailedgn. we will talk to her about how she successfully recovered from that scandal and what advice she might have for monica lewinsky. first i want to remind you what lewinsky revealed to "vanity fair." from the arms of the president to the pages of "vanity fair" magazine. she has found her voice and she has plenty to say. in her tell-all essay for the magazine she says it's time to burn the beret and bury the blue dress. world's most famous intern opening up to vanity fair about her affair with president clinton. the scandal it created in 1998