frederick douglass had it worse.r knew his parents, he was born a slave, and he had to escape to establish his freedom, he would want freedom for himself and all, his life of so significant there were status like this, commemorating all he accomplished. he was one of america's most indispensable men. when someone talks about frederick douglass' youth, how would you describe his out. outyouth. >> he began incarcerated, enslaved, his mother was living on a separate plantation from him, his father is allegedly you know, was owner of his mother, one of the grave tragedies, of american history. >> doug, life of frederick douglass, born, roughly 1818. what kind of life did he have as a kid. >> mixed race, he didn't know who his father was, in a meaningful way, his mother would come to him at bedtime, and make sure he could fall asleep, she worked a different plantation. he was a slave child, he fell brutal -- yet the key to his success and key to anyone out there listening, literacy, he started learning to read. and readin

the judge first addressed the matter of douglass detrie. of course there is mr. douglass detrie.g accused as a killer. he took away the mother of his child, mr. george burch. that is a terrible terrible crime. we >> then the judge turned his attention to burch's faith. >> this is a crime that i believe merits the death penalty. and for that you will dine president. it is the sense of this court that you are sentenced to life imprisonment. with no possibility of parole. we too nikki and the family of the detrie's. the parents and support of this community. -- good luck and god bless. >> this court is in recess. >> i really hope that he understands for a lifetime what he all took away from us. >> how is the world different now? without nikki? what did she leave behind? >> i mean she left behind her three beautiful children that are going to grow up without having a mother. to teach them. >> well but i see her in so many things. i am just constantly reminded of. her we i feel like she is still there, she still here with us >>> this sunday, the democrats' drubbing. >> all righty, vir

frederick douglass, the freedom fighter.a has been blessed to have the right people at the right time. >> you think back to those days in the civil war where brothers literally fought blood brothers. fathers fought their kids because they wanted the declaration of independence and this notion that all men were created equal to be real. brian: in abraham lincoln you had a person with the odds stacked against. brian: bill, how can a young man born to illiterate parents in abject poverty, with only one year of formal education, emerge as one of america's, perhaps, best presidents who would lead us through a war and emancipate all enslaved people? >> he was an amazing person. i guess today we would call him gifted. he had a vision and he had ambition. brian: as tough as abraham lincoln's first years were. frederick douglass had it worse. he had to escape to it will his freedom. he would want freedom for himself and freedom for all. once freed from bondage he would continue self-education. esteemed be a littlist. write biography

that was abraham lincoln and frederick douglass.s us now. people that follow the program, follow us on fox and friends know that frederick douglass is my idol. in fact, i have a big portrait. i know you have guys have it, it's on my right arm. >> there we go. >> he's my hero. and he is my compass and my political philosophy. you have a tough job. you had to weigh income of the pros and cons of douglass and abraham lincoln how they had a partnership at the end of the day. >> very few cons when it comes to frederick douglass. if you look at lincoln, he had to go over leaps in bounds. i think that attracted me most of the story what it meant to america in once again the two most unlikely people imaginable rows up at the right time when america needed them most. no one would have bet on abraha lincoln. yelled at every time he went to read and write, one year of formal education. frederick douglass, he didn't know when he was born, he never met his parents he may be met his mom once or twice. he found a way to get the education. in the n

and his season lincoln and can you talk about douglass' experiences with these two men and how douglass viewed them pretty. >> for small, as a part where john brennan abraham lincoln, if they had existed or something like him, because sort of a parallel lives of john brown and abraham lincoln at the same time but they never met each other in the paths never met directly in dealing with the same nation bit different perspectives and short term goals and frederick douglass is a unifying character so frederick douglass is the one who met john brown before he met abraham lincoln any much admired john brown a believe that john brown is a sense of immediacy of the evil of slavery. he understands the former slave himself and escaped, be one of the most abolitionist in the country naturally gravitated towards the emphasis that john brown placed on any slavery, almost like - because john brown should take part in harpers ferry and john brown seo people if i can get a high profile abolitionist roderick douglas to come along, this will have credibility. and especially, somebody who had been a slav

i bring out frederick douglass description of life and savory.but incomes the subject called crt and the mischaracterizing people critical of him saying you are trying to duck slavery in america on racial bias in america, when we started as a country, no one is ducking that. it's how you view it today saying a white kid in first grade is no oppressor and a black kid is a victim and also in the back of my mind i'm running across frederick drug was who wrote his biography six years after escaping freedom and most of his friends as a kid a lot of them were white and he made this assumption saying i was convinced that kids don't see color, at the same time i'm looking at the news reading this stuff about crt. why can't these parents at the school board meeting say i'd don't want my kid focused on race and these issues as a kid and knowing frederick douglass did the same thing in 1850? that's what makes the book relevance in these two men extraordinary. howard: i was struck by your reporting that a couple of days after lincoln's election douglass spok

from douglass. >> forced me to read. 20 stories at one time.. lawrence: you sit over there. and you got a quote for us, first, of a little excerpt in the book. i want you to read that first and then we are going to dive into the book. brian: this whole book is how both men evolved. you see some things where in the beginning, you know, you have frederick douglass who escapes from slavery and understands america is a lot better than the one he was living and had to live up to its constitution and for lincoln he was against interracial marriage. thought black and whites were unequal. he totally changed. douglass was pushing president lincoln to evolve. speech worked. douglass gave and 10 years after the assassination to dedicate the now controversial statue in washington at the park. and here's what he said about lincoln. he had put the an abolition of slavery before the sal verification the union, he would have alienated large numbers of people and resistance to the rebellion, the south succeeding impossible. genuine an abolition ground he was at

i can't do a better biography than david blight on frederick douglass.about abraham lincoln. he is the most written about president in our history bar none, more than washington. what if i talked about how the two struggled through their lives to make a difference, to come together the at the right time to make america a more perfect place. it was an on going battle no doubt about it, in our country and between them. charles: fast forward to today. we have for instance colin kaepernick has a special on netflix equating the process to become a nfl player to slave auction. those keep of things. are we too focused on the past? we looked through the lens of presentism. i always tell people you have to be careful taking today's values and applying it to 200 years ago, 300 years ago, whenever you want to do it. >> all i can say when it comes to the nfl combine. that is televised on television. we saw a video of tom brady going through the nfl combine, wearing shorts, looking like the last person who would be a good football player. i don't think tom brady look

if you look at lincoln, light years better than frederick douglass but as bad as anybody could have ite year collective live school, self-taught lawyer, one term congressman, then ends up getting this huge reputation and has his moment, rises up at the debates, gets the nomination and inherits a fractured country and tries to put back together. douglas is trying to fight for the freedom of 4 million because he fought for, he got it and became one of the most respected men on the planet. i know these are two rare individuals. i know they only come every generation and they also think as lessons there. the american spirit is put whatever you want in front of me, i will knock it down or die trying. that's the attitude we got to get back to. that's why i think this book works. >> tucker: such superior people and interesting that they intersected at this moment. were they close? i mean, did they know each other well? >> listen, sparring from a distance, met three times, were supposed to meet four times. the instant way they hit it off, worked together to recruit african-americans into the m

douglass in one of my favorite opinions of justice thomas.ducation means freedom, life and liberty. he also talks about consequences . other examples i can think of, in the mcdonald case, the second amendment incorporation case, he talks about the need to disarm poor black people at the time, the ratification of the 14th amendment, and now he talks about consequences -- the court can safely say this is unconstitutional because members of the court to not live in the neighborhoods where people are going to suffer lives. i think in some sense, you can call that the highlighting of consequence, also like shaming. not that those consequences are driving his decisions. he is telling -- he has never had justice scalia's sharp tongue. he has never said anyone should put a bag over their head. these interesting cases, particularly race cases, but also about average, ordinary americans that will suffer from mistakes he feels the court is making, he is not afraid to say we do not live in the neighborhoods where these people will suffer at the hands of

in the way the reading transformed his life, that inspired me to go after contemporary frederick douglass is in my area. >> we are getting questions about this question is for all of us, you put this quote in the tracking the question, excuse me i'll just leave it in case, the society capable of sustaining concentric concept like woke leaders? steve, you've been working in the capitalist society most of your life, you been on the board of companies that did eight, find billing dollars in business, large companies. what is your answer for capitalist society, a brand of leadership such as we have been talking about for the past 30 or 40 minutes? >> i think it is an outstanding question. i believe it is hard work. as i stated earlier, you and i have circulated, counselors should only be responsible to the shareholders and that was a very close minded mindset. today was being taught is companies and corporations should be loyal to all holders their shareholders, their community, their employees, all of these different people i believe can benefit markers on. without a conscience horrible and

frederick douglass's speech in talking about lincoln in a way that many historians still can't grappleith that complexity. but frederick douglass's remarks at the time in terms of lincoln and his impact on the nation are something we all should be studying. that becomes a key part is we look at this moving forward. host: let's talk to mark from fort myers, florida. good morning. caller: i want to thank them. i taught a north carolina for about 20 years as a history teacher and what i'm seeing is i think it's more so not replacing the textbook because reading seems to be an issue with kids. i'm going to debate your guest on that issue. we need to get the kids to read more because they can't read the content and are struggling with with regards to critical race theory discussion, i don't know if you necessarily need a curriculum to introduce the subject because you still have bad teachers who are still going to be bad teachers. so maybe more so we should be looking to include more african-americans in the discussion and also maybe i haven't heard people rely on history teachers on the di

frederick douglass made this amazing speech in 1869 against chinese exclusion. he said, it's true that there are -- there's a very large population of chinese. it's true there are millions of them. he says, let them come. i believe migration is a human right. let them come. they will just join with us and they will be part of making this country great, all of us together. i think that's astounding -- an astounding insight he had that he wasn't afraid of so-called too many chinese coming. he said, we can all live together. i'm paraphrasing. that's basically the thrust of his argument. >> that's a great segue to our first question. were there any organized groups, both within and outside of the chinese community that were advocating for acceptance of chinese immigrants? >> that's a great question, there were. in addition to frederick douglass, there were the christian missionaries who wanted to have good relations with chinese, who did not think that they were evil or coolies or enslaved. there were men who i describe as kind of liberals who upheld the constitutio

in addition to people like frederick douglass. there were the mission airs, the christian missionaries who wanted to have good relations with chinese, who did not think that they were evil or cooleys or enslaved. there were men who i describe as kind of liberal, liberals who upheld the constitution who believed in principles of freedom and equality. but they were not a match for bigler-ism, for the nativist hatred that gets whipped up by politicians. their voices were drowned out. >> one of the examples, you talked about a trial, you and i were talking about this earlier, one chinese gold digger killed another chinese gold digger. his principal argument was self-defense. there is fascinating discussion of pigeon english, the judge and the prosecutor spoke to the defendant in pigeon english. probably not in a demeaning way but they thought they could reach and communicate better. he wound up being convicted and sentenced to death and then you leave it at that. and then a couple of chapters later, you've come back and you talk about

and that's just not frederick douglass he was of a different class. that played out in their relationship. she had a same thing should a sixth-grade education, but her genius was so vast. she lived in a world workmen white and black men were in control in their own world and elite men did not want hamer rising to the top. they thought she was uncouth and unsophisticated. they did not want her image in the national news, and the newspapers on television. they wanted to be the one doing that. she did the work, she was on the ground she was bearing the brunt of all of that violence. and she was determined to bring the people up. sometimes the elite did not see them or hear the voices of the average mississippi delta farmer, that is the truth. >> i was going to say that with tubman, she knew how to own the room. when she needed to get her point across, she knew how we know the photograph kate you and i were educated of the young harriet. she knew what to wear to go to stewards manchin or one of the abolitionist to get her point across. i know from the wor

by the time of the lincoln/douglass debates, you had systematized shorthand which is why we have a really good stenographic record of the lincoln/douglass is debates or, to be more precise, multiple stenographic records, and some historian toes have noted slight differences in those records. really it was not until the 20th century that substantial numbers of people could actually hear the president's voice. if you look at the chart here, households with radio sets this 1922 -- in 1922 there were only 60,000 households in the united states that had radio sets. by 1932, the election of franklin roosevelt, that number was up to 18.4 million. there were some presidential radio addresses during the 1920s. calvin coolidge actually had a pretty good voice for radio. herbert hoover did some speaking on the radio. but really when we think about presidents and the electronic media, we're thinking about franklin d. roosevelt. and roosevelt is famous for the so-called fireside chats. an or not thing to know though -- an important thing to know about the fireside chats, a lot of people think he did t

the constitution and fox news brian kelly looks at the relationship between lincoln and frederick douglass and the president and the freedom fighter. those are some of the new books being published this week. you will see them on booktv. each week booktv produces a program called "after words." and on this week's episode of the author interview program, entrepreneur argues that corporate america is signing onto, quote, the culture only to increase profit. he discussed his book with harvard university economics professor and former george w. bush economics advisor greg. here is a little bit of that conversation. >> i think that there is something to be said for exploring the way in which may be it can stand on its own 2 feet. a big part of what i take aim at in the book isn't just the ideology in and of its own right but it's merged with capitalism which actually taints both the progressive values that the corporations are asked to be stewards of and relegating the purpose in and of itself so that is what the heart of the book is about more so than a criticizing one end of the political spe

the only thing they taught us about was abraham lincoln, george washington carver and frederick douglass. now they own this -- on this big kick about c.t.r. earn all that. i don't care about the redistricting. it's going to leave black people out anyway. goodbye. host: two points there. not going to vote because she doesn't see any action on voting rights. and you have heard the speaker of the house talk about getting that passed in the senate. then two, the redistricting will leave out black voters. guest: well, a couple points here. this is complicated. there are some new voting rights act considerations for this round of redistricting. first of all this is the first cycle since the supreme court struck down the formula that required the justice department to preclear states with histories of discrimination. and so a lot of southern states that used to have to get the justice department to sign off on new maps no longer have to seek preclearance or approval from the federal government. what that means is that democrats don't really have a way to block maps in texas or the deep south fr

and that's not to denigrate frederick douglass, just saying he was of a different class and that played in their relationship. >> hamer, it was the same thing, she had a sixth grade education but her genius was so vast. she lived in a world where men, white and back men, still were in control in their own worlds. and elite men didn't want hamer rising to the top. they thought she was uncouth and unsophisticated and they didn't want her image in the national news, on the newspapers, on television. they wanted to be the ones that were doing that. but she did the work. she was on the ground. she was -- she was bearing the brunt of all of that violence. and she was determined to bring the people up and the elites sometimes didn't see the faces or hear the voices of the average mississippi delta farmer, that's the truth. >> with tubman, she knew how to own the room, okay? when she needed to get her point across, she knew how to -- you know, we know with the photograph, kate, that you and i authenticated, of a young harriet. she knew that that was the attire that she would wear to go to sewar

constitution and fox news brian kilmeade looks at the relationship between lincoln and frederick douglass the president and the freedom fighter. those are some of the new books being published thiss week. you will see them on book tv. each week a book tv produces a program called after words this week's episode of the p author interview program entrepreneur argues that corporate america is signing on to woke culture only to increase profits. we discussed his book with harvard university economics professor george w. bush economics advisor. here is a little bit of their conversation. >> i think there is something to be said for really exploiting the way to woke us can stand on its own tee feet when it's intermingled with capitalism. a big part of whatf i take in the book is not just the woke ideology in its own right but it's a merger with capitalism which actually taints both the progressive values of corporations are asked to be steward of as well as changing corporate purpose in end of its own right as well. that is what the heart of the book is about brother think criticizing one end o

>> my great grandfather was born enslaved and ended up giving a toast to frederick douglass at the whitehat history was entirely hidden from my mother. she didn't even know his name. but now she does. >> what's this been like to share with your mother? the film? >> i was very nervous about what she was going to think. it's a lot for me to have done, i think. and i -- but she watched it. and she's enormously proud. and she just said, i feel you have liberated me and my father. and the thing that he could not talk about, we now can. >> i'm curious, is that it? >> you can ask me anything, anything you want. >> it looks like a film that might have been made in a bygone era. and the truth is, when we were making films like that in hollywood, we weren't making them with two women that looked like us. >> we weren't in them. >> i think what's interesting now is to think of, like, in terms of hollywood iconography, all the stories that would have been told had more people had access to tell the stories. and that's why for me, it feels -- it feels impactful. >> our thanks to chris. "gma" will have

the constitution and fox news brian kelly looks at the relationship between lincoln and frederick douglass the president and the freedom fighter. those are some of the new books being published this week. you will see them on booktv. each week booktv produces a program called "after words." and on this week's episode of the author interview program, entrepreneur argues that corporate america is signing onto, quote, the culture only to increase profit. he discussed his book with harvard university economics professor and former george w. bush economics advisor greg. here is a little bit of that conversation. >> i think that there is something to be said for exploring the way in which may be it can stand on its own 2 feet. a big part of what i take aim at in the book isn't just the ideology in and of its own right but it's merged with capitalism which actually taints both the progressive values that the corporations are asked to be stewards of and relegating the purpose in and of itself so that is what the heart of the book is about more so than a criticizing one end of the political spectru

it was used by frederick douglass.n he finally, after dred scott, decided he was going to aggressively start talking about emancipation. he also used jefferson's words to say that the declaration applied to a constitution that had provisions in it that protected slave holders. martin luther king used those words as well. but this example goes all the way through, talking about perfecters, all the way through to the 2020 election, where black women in milwaukee county and wayne county and fulton county, in philadelphia, made the difference in the election for a lot of us who believe it was an election where everything was on the line. they were the difference. they were the perfecters of democracy. >> that's right. i mean, you know, it's astounding to me when people say that this project is not patriotic. one, i don't think it's the role of journalists to produce work that is patriotic or not, but i don't think you can read this and not come away with the understanding that the most ardent defenders of democracy have be

i neverer realized until i read your book frederick douglass although he was on the ticket alerted. >> that whole story is bizarre and if they created the equal rights party that had a lot of incredible ideas but it was used essentially as a publicity ploy and never consented to the nomination and never campaigned with her but they publish these articles, one about anna elledgd gang rape that happened resulting from a fall that involved teenage girls and a prominent businessman and the other that involved the well-known creature whose having an affair with the wife of one of his acolytes. in this newspaper they published these two explosive articles, one contained the term one of the figures in new york at the time and saying that he was in and an adulterous affair and the short version is that when the act was passed in 1873, it included the term newspaper, specifically to cover weekly. i feel like it's been written about he passed this law. the specifics of the law with a direct purpose of gettingis tennessee and victoria into prison. hispanic i find it interesting is that the way t

in terms of frederick douglass, he was living in a time which was extremely unfair.an was born into slavery? comes the sphiewj tough slave' law. he knows if he's turned in he could be grabbed in the north and they would bring him back. his message to the newly found freed slaves, now you are part of society. now i want you to earn it. you are free to make mistakes and free to make a positive impact on the world. even during a time america was being torn apart. jesse: you make a lot of mistakes so i am sure you understand that. brian: i'm not sure how you regular wayed to that. d how you segued to that. we have "to catch a predator" coming back. >> do you not reach out to a girl online under 18 ever again. dog barks you're right bunker, the medicare enrollment deadline is almost here. if you're on medicare and you want to explore your options, the deadline to enroll is december 7th. so, you should act now. were do i find the right medicare plan? at healthmarkets, they search many of the nation's most recognized carriers so they can help you find the right plan, at the

she gave it to frederick douglass she gave it to frederick douglass. respect. you go down and see joseph rainey, the first black american ever elected to congress in 1870. charleston, south carolina. you know your history, that's where the civil war started. you know this day there's only one black american elected to congress and to the senate. tim scott from charleston, south carolina. he would tell me the story, his mother and father got divorced, recently he took people on a tour, the little house they lived in, only 700 square feet, had been torn down. he gets his faith from his grandmother and his mother if you ever met his mother, what and amazing lady. but every morning he made his brother and tim, his grandfather, to sit at that table and have breakfast. his grandfather had that newspaper in front of him he wanted those boys to see that. do you know, tim didn't find out until after high school, his grandfather couldn't read. but he wanted more for his boys. he wanted them to participate in the current events. tim and i went down there on the 50th anniv

early american republic, and the legacy awarded in nonfiction, and american book award in frederick douglass prize. in her latest book, "all that she carried", the journey actually have a black family keepsake and an outpouring of praise. and some of that praise i'm going to focus on comes from a lady that she said that although she carries the perilous miles can present both of the staggering atrocity of american slavery and staggering courage and beauty of the life she chronicled in the history filled with brilliant and tenderness and seriousness. and i can attest to the humanness and the rigor in which he approaches his three and when i first set off to do this archival research, she said she was been more interested what she could do with five documents and 500 and at the time i didn't quite understand it but she was preparing me to confront the reality that the stories of the very people who are compelled to labor for this nation would be left out of the archives. but we must tell her stories anyway. her words reminded me that the work of a great historian, is to acknowledge the delimit

but then the legacy award of nonfiction an american book award and the frederick douglass prize. we are all here to learn all that she carries which receives an outpouring of faith some of that comes from the back of the book and then to confront the staggering atrocity of american slavery and the beauty of the lie street chronicles with the brilliant and tenderness i can attest of where she approaches history. setting off to do research she told me she was more interested in what i could do with five documents than 500. at the time i did not quite understand she was preparing me to confront the reality that the stories of the very people who were compelled to this nation would be left out of the archives but we must tell their stories anyway. her words remind me the work of a great historian and storyteller is to demolish a limitation and then think creatively and expansively how we can ask new questions and utilize new sources to paint a portrait of black women's lives. and those that of the fullness. and devotion to the ancestors lives in history. with black studies in women's

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lincoln viewed the constitution and fox news looks at the relationship between lincoln and frederick douglassthe freedom fighter. this coming week wherever books are sold. watch for many of these authors to appear in the future on book tv. >> booking institution senior aloe suggests counts council culture social media disinformation are eroding the truth. here's a portion of the discussion. >> what you believe about the weather. have beliefs about god. the typical way to settle that was for one group to dominate another group to have the society and go to war with each of the typically how it was done in our society until recently. i wrote a book called kindly inquisitors, which argued, talked about for knowledge comes from by free speech is important but it's also important for us to follow certain rules. there are a lot of obligations that go with this for they require us to structure criticism. and i kind of had a marketplace of ideas a model you had lots of people criticizing lots of other people in a very open dynamic way. that is all true. then something happened over the ten, especiall

here to explain, freedom fighter abraham lincoln frederick douglass in their battle to save america'sx in front cohost and my friend, brian kilmeade promising me one day he will cohost justice with me but refusing to do so. the meantime, he will come out again. brian, is biden right? is america back this thanksgiving. >> first, there's no position to require less talking than your cohost. no one looks at your show and says judge, she needs a cohost. it was say she needs another hour. i'll sit there and watch you and i wouldn't have anything to add because it carries your own afternoon or evening on this question, i was amazed. never when he said after two years. i assume didn't like all of donald trump's two years, four years not just two years. people thought joe biden would be quiet, just go under the wire and keep things rolling. tackle things you can't control and don't screw up things that don't need to be touched. for example, on the border, don't tell me that's normal. he took a relationship with mexico started off rough with president trump and up great. the last want to recog

the early american republic, the legacy award in nonfiction in american book award and a frederick douglassrize. in the book we are here toaw len about all that she carried, the journey of back into black family keepsake which has an outpouring of praise. some of the praise i'm going to focus on comes from jill she states in all that she carried conferences staggering anguish and atrocity of american slavery and number staggering courage and beauty of the life she chronicled, history with brilliance and tenderness sincere lesson is. as one of her students i attend to the tenderness and rigor of which he approaches history what i set up to do archival research she told me she was more interested in what i do with five documents than what i do with 500. at the time i did not understand that she was preparing me too confront the reality that the stories of the very people who were compelled with the wealth of the station would be less out of the archives but we must tell their stories anyway. her words remind me the work of a great historian and storyteller is to acknowledge the limitation and