dr. dupont and the major about 20 years, plus, and going on this model. there are a lot of pieces to it. if it were as simple as training, it would be a one- sentence resolution. there is a lot to it. it is not written so finite, it is not in four or five-page document. again, the heart and soul is this -- it is not an four or five-page document. we will not know until it happens. and so, i want to push for that piece of it. regarding the dgo recommendation, height specifically put in the word " recommendation," and sometimes it takes four years to get this through. rather than sitting in we would do this, in a case where there should be a recommendation, so i appreciate this, in a timely way. so if there is any other question, i am happy to answer those questions, as a working on this document day and night. president mazzucco: commissioner slaughter? commissioner slaughter: i certainly appreciate all of what has gone on. that is why i support the resolution. if we adopt this with the words that are here but with some expectation, and i would say more th

dr. dupont you talked about the way the model has changed. i wonder if you could tell us how flex flexibility is important, if it is, to you in how it is implemented in a particular city, and how the city has to analyze what they do . we >> we do see basics ever what we do need to do there. i think it is a critical element. the specialization of the officer, the ability of the officer to be on the scene to respond is important. you think you-all have different needs. i would think homeless emphasis would be one you woo want to take a more intense look at and one we are doing ourselves in memphis. it would be critical to constantly change the model. >> seeing how you implemented in memphis and how it has been implemented in other cities around the country, what are two or three things that -- key steps for us if we're going to mention this model and endorse it. not only just today, tomorrow, next week, but next sure to make sure this implementation is a success? >> i think you have set the taupe about community ownership. i think that is a cri

dr. dupont, thank you for all your time. over time, have you had an opportunity to look at our 40-hour training that i believe a number of our officers have gone through in the san francisco police department in connection with mental health and mental illness? i guess that's the preliminary question. >> i have seen some of it. if there are symptoms of mental illness, i know it will be within the training. eight hours of interacting with people with mental illness is very, very possible. one of the things we encourage, and i know your training does, too, we want the officers to talk. it is what we call the human side. how much we're alike. most of the time in that discussion is i want a job. i want a home. this is something we all have in common. i know that's been introduced into your 40-hours or so of training. i'm not sure, but the levels of verbal deescalation skills, when we started we started with four hours of verbal de-escalation and then realized it had to be more than that. it requires a certain skill level. oftent

dr. dupont and major cochrane from memphis estimate it takes from six months to a year to roll up a cit program. i want to make sure that program is up and running. i heard, and i do not know if this is completely true, that this commission adopted cit many years ago, and it was never implemented. i can see that happening again. if i can help it, it will get implemented. but it gives you a sign of how difficult it is to make reform, especially when it comes to a difficult issue involving our mental health community. i do want to make sure that whatever we discussed tonight, whatever program we come up with, that cit needs to be up and running. we need training in place before we give weapons. if you have new weapons and you have cit barely having our second meeting, you're going to use one of the other. also, dr. sang came twice to tell us he would strongly recommend that we have defibrillators, automated external defibrillators, if we adopt any weapon that might stop or capture the heart. as an immigrant rights activist, i cannot let this go. we cannot give money to arizona. there cannot be mo

dr. dupont, who have been doing this work for decades -- having two or 3 officer-involved shootings of mentallyill folks in 23 years is a an incredible number -- is an incredible number. i am excited to meet them in person when they come to san francisco, to pick their brains even more. training is important, but it is about using that training every day in a thought out manner. there is a critical intervention-trained officer during every station at every time. i think those are some of the key things. there is a meeting occurring in los angeles, and i want to think the department for arranging for that trip for us, to make sure we do all of our homework in preparing for this upcoming commission hearing. commissioner kingsley: i was the only commissioner who had not participated in this meeting on friday, until dr. marshall appeared. i just want to thank you on behalf of all the rest of the commissioners, director hicks, and the three commissioners to participated in this and are -- and are participating in an ongoing fashion. in has been earmarked by the police commission as being our number

dr. dupont and major cochrane from the memphis police department when they came to stand in cisco, and one of the things they told us after they had visited clinics and visited some of our treatment venues or given information on the spectrum of care and system of care that we have in san francisco -- one of the things they said was that it is very robust, very strong. this is many times the amount of resources and services that we have locally in memphis, so what that said to us is that we need to work better in terms of our coordination, in terms of optimal utilization. the department has worked very hard over the last 10 years to create a matrix of services, to respond to individuals who may be having a psychotic episode, and i can go through some of those venues if you are interested. the first that has been mentioned is the urgent care clinic, which is a treatment venue located in the south of market district, located by the progress foundation. it does have an overnight capacity of 12 beds, but it operates as an outpatient and crisis clinic 24 hours a day, and has the capability of b