dr. hahn, do you have any comment on that? >> fda's role, senator enzi, in this is to ensure that the controls around manufacturing and storage are followed. if, in fact, a vaccine is authorized or approved that requires such cold storage as you mentioneded, we will provide technical assistance and we'll work with cdc to ensure that that happens. >> thank you. director redfield, do you anticipate that once the food and drug administration approves a vaccine, and you kind of touched on this the centers for disease control and prevention would have to work with the states to develop, new, more detailed vaccine distribution plans or will the work the states are doing in advance suffice? >> senator, it's very important, and i want to stress, this is why it's so important in the playbook we put out last week and the funding we announced today that we get these plans executed, we wanted to see the plans completed by october 16th so we can interact, share best practices of other states to try to get

dr. hahn. some of the vaccines in phase three testing evidently need to be stored at extremely cold temperatures. that's even by ewyoming standards, and that would be potentially as low as negative 94 degrees fahrenheit. hospitals, nursing homes, pharmacies, doctors' offices might be places where americans can go to get their shots. however, they don't have the specialized freezers that would be necessary to store the vaccine, especially in rural areas. so very few of those -- is there another solution or how can we ensure sufficient freezer and storage capacity so there's access to the vaccine and it isn't just limited to major cities? >> thank you very much, senator. again, there's a total commitment to work that this vaccine is distributed in an equitable and fair way across our nation. the funding i announced today that will get out to the individual states to be able to really begin to operationalize their plans on the playbook is critical. each jurisdiction is going to have to address th

dr. hahn. we'll turn to questions from senators. we have full participation today. so i would like to ask the senators and witnesses to keep your exchanges within five minutes so all senators will have a chance to participate. and for my five minutes, i would like to ask for the courtesy of short answers so i can ask all my questions. dr. hahn, let me go back to two things you said. who makes decisions about safety and efficacy at the fda? do you do it? does career scientists do it? or does the white house do it? >> career scientists at the fda do it. that's very clear. i'm briefed on all major medical product decisions. overruling a center's decision is a very rare event. i have expressed on multiple occasions my intention and have done during this covid-19 to make sure that those decisions are made by career scientists in the centers. >> you refer to this, but once fda approves a vaccine, as we have said today, we're going to have tens of millions of doses ready, none can be distributed unti

concerns that dr. hahn will get mushy on the data, and it wouldn't be the first time that we've seen that. you know, there was an exaggeration of the benefits, for instance, of convalescent plasma but a factor of seven according to our sanjay gupta. here's the big question. should americans trust that this vaccine decision, an important one for this country, will be based on medicine and science rather than politics? >> well, of course, americans should be able to trust that, and the problem is with the mixed messaging coming from this administration, including from leaders in the administration at hhs and fda and cdc, we've started eroding the trust that we've always had in these otherwise incredibly professional institutions, and so the fact that you're hearing misstatements and conflicting information coming out has made it so that, you know, even if we do get the vaccine approved, we have the large percentage of the population unwilling to get the vaccination and that's the critical thing. you can't jus

dr. hahn, the head of the cdc is expected to say today that the fda will not cut corners in the creation and in the distribution and release of a vaccine. but, hallie, as you know, which i'm sure monica is about to talk about, as the doctors come and officials come before congress and try to lay out the facts and the president or the -- might undermine the message or make them walk it back, so, you know, they will try to restore trust in the agencies and try to convince the public today, especially about this vaccine that they are going to follow it by the book, they're going to intensify their regulations, and that it will be safe if it is released to the american public, hallie. >> dr. john, to you on some of this, specifically about the vaccine. there is that important report in "the washington post", the fda is about to release stricter guidelines for any emergency approval for vaccines. this is something we may hear about from the health officials, essentially the guidelines, you got to i

dr. hahngood morning, chairman and members of the committee. over the past several months i've had the honor to work shoulder to shoulder with fda career staff to fight the pandemic. i'm proud of all fda employees and how they've measured up to this extraordinary challenge. the efforts of the fda's expert workforce are critical to insuring the safety and health of the american public at any time. but it is magnified during a public health emergency. our work on covid-19 and non-covid issues comes with unprecedented public scrutiny and sometimes criticism. any agency that has the broad responsibilities and far-reaching impact of fda particularly involving issues of public health can't expect to do its job without inviting controversy and disagreement. but it's also essential the criticism we get never shakes the underlying faith the public has and should have in fda and our commitment to protecting the public health. i am confident in the decisions that are being made related to covid-19 and th

i hope we're not in that position. >> reporter: dr. hahn says the public should have confidence in agency guidance. even if some vaccine doses are made available in the fall, dr. gottlieb said a vaccine won't be ready until next year. dr. jon lapook, cbs news. >> athletes are paying tribute to legendary basketball coach john thompson. the man known simply as big john was the first black head coach to win the ncaa championship with georgetown in 1984. he coached there for 27 years. pacing the hoya sideline with his familiar white towel. he was a fighter for racial justice on and off the court. and a fierce advocate for players. many called him a mentor and role model. in a tweet iverson wrote thanks for saving my life, coach. john thompson was 78 years old. >>> investigation is under way after a navy plane went down in rural virginia. the two pilots and two crew members on board were able to safely bail out. the wreckage was reported in the community of bloxom, northeast of norfolk. it crashed during a training flight. >>> coming up on the "

on the pressing issue for dr. hahn, who, of course, has watched the president travel the country at his rallies saying the vaccine is coming very soon, very, very soon. very soon. perhaps before the election. he went out of his way to make clear we have an independent process. there's a scientific process. and that essentially sticking his neck out saying, i will not accept pressure from anyone, and in parentheses, that means the president of the united states. >> right, john. i've spoken to many people who have worked with dr. hahn in the past who know him and say they believed him when he says this. they're not really worried about dr. hahn. what they're worried about is that the president will bigfoot dr. hahn either on his own or through secretary azar. not worried about dr. hahn's integrity but he'll be bigfooted and the decision made for him or basically instead of him. >> and listening to this play out. what jumps out most significant from the point of somebody watching at home trying to figure which course to t

dr. hahnd morning, chairman alexander, ranking member murray and members of the committee. over the past several months i've had the honor to work shoulder to shoulder with fda's career staff as we fought a historic pandemic that has altered the lives of every american. i am proud of all fda employees and how they have measured to this extraordinary challenge. the efforts of the fda's expert workforce are critical to ensuring the safety and health of the american public at any time, but it is magnified during a public health emergency. of course, our work on covid-19 and non-covid issues comes with unprecedented public scrutiny and sometimes criticism. any agency that has the broad responsibilities and far-reaching impact of fda, particularly involving issues of public health can't expect to do its job without inviting controversy and disagreement, but it is also essential that the criticism we get never shakes the underlying faith the public has and should have in today in our commitment to p

i hope we won't be in that position. >> reporter: dr. hahn says the public should have confidence in agency guidance which recommends a vaccine be at least 50% effective. but even if some vaccine doses are made available in the fall, former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb says widespread use is not expected until next year. >> o'donnell: dr. lapook, thank you. tonight the head of the president's coronavirus task force is urging college students to remain on campus if they test positive for covid-19. dr. deborah birx is worried students could spread the virus if they end up going home. here is' cbs's jamie yuccas. >> reporter: as colleges welcome students back, some are already shutting down. tonight temple university is closed for at least two weeks. the university of alabama now reporting more than 1,000 positive cases. nearly 300 students at utah state are in quarantine after covid was found in waste water from dorms. and baylor is asking its students to shelter in place after a cluster of cases. to halt the spread, health officials

toepel is saying, basically, is look, you made such an egregious error, referring to dr. hahnly unacceptable or unbelievable that it was just an error. that was a strategic sort of lie, essentially, is what dr. toepel is saying about dr. hahn. and you did it to try and sell something to the american people that was not fully baked. i mean, this was strong language. and you know, he's saying, you've got to tell the truth, tell people that you were politically pressured, or you need to resign. so, and again, dr. toepel's not the only one saying this. he may have been the most candid. he has a metscape sort of platform by which to do it. but the number of calls i've been getting -- i was operating in the hospital yesterday -- the number of people who come up to me and tell me, look, we're worried, we're head down in the hospital, trying to do our work, take care of patients. we cannot believe the dumpster fire that is occurring right now with regard to the handling of this pandemic. and by the way, again, we've been saying this since march -- look around the world. there are plac

dr. hahnpoke with dr. jon lapook. good morning to you, dr. lapook. i know your name. why are some doctors very alarmed by this potential move? >> well, good morning, gayle. dr. hahn was already facing criticism over his agency's decision to grant emergency use authorization for ,hich was late escent plasma. both treatments were heavily promoted by the president. now dr. hahn's latest comments have renewed concerns that his agency is being politicized, something he flatly denies. >> our decision at fda will not be made on any other criteria than the science and data associated with these clinical trials. >> reporter: fda commissioner dr. stephen hahn vowed not to let politics interfere with the approval process for a coronavirus vaccine. at any point in the pandemic, have you felt pressured politically to make a decision one way or another? >> i have not been pressured politically to make an incorrect decision. >> how about pressure to make what you think is a correct decision? >> so we have fe

dr. steven hahn. because, of course, that's the point we've gotten. they are hoping for a vaccine and of course, the fda is at the center of that. >> a vaccine takes time. something president trump doesn't have a lot of before election day. >> well, here is a new thing the president has learned about and has focused on during this pandemic. and that's an emergency-use authorization. and that's what we've seen happen with the fda over the summer when it came to hydroxychloroquine. which, of course, we know how much the president pushed that. he pushed the fda, along with aides, like peter navarro, to approve that emergency-use authorization because they believed it could help. of course, we saw how that ended, john. they ended up reversing that approval because the data found that it did not have any benefit in that, and so the fda said it needed to be studied more. their second one was on convalescent plasma. and we watched that play out in public view. where officials are telling us they did not think the fda was moving quickly enough on that. and we

dr. stephen hahn and dr. anthony fauci are both pushing back at the president's claim he can override the fda's vaccine standards. this hour i'll ask the white house chief of staff mark meadows. you see him there live. the president just announced new vision for a health care reform here in the united states. but first let's go to our chief white house correspondent jim acosta. jim, the president seems to be doubling down and refusing to follow the precedent set by every president before him. what's the latest. >> that's right. the white house is trying to explain the president's refusal to peacefully transfer power. the white house said she'll accept what she calls the free and fair election. that's hardly ironclad. the president is not backing away. it's another sign he's threatening to ignore the will of the american people. in what may be a warning siren to the world that american democracy is in serious trouble, president trump is standing by his comments that he may not accept the results of the novembe

dr. hahnout of the way yesterday to repeatedly assure lawmakers on capitol hill i will not respond to anyone's pressure including the president of the united states saying we will have a vaccine before election day. dr. hahn saying, no, we have processes in place and will follow the rules, the regulation, the science. short time after that briefing the president of the united states said, no, i may overrule you. listen. >> well, i tell you what. we are looking at that. that has to be approved by the white house. we may or may not approve it. sounds like a political move. extremely politically. we come back with the great results and you will have the great results. why would we delay it? but we're going to look at it, take a look at it. >> just your reaction as a public health professional. the president publicly undermining his own food and drug administration administrator saying he is being political. the doctor was making the case to follow the science and be careful. >> well, first of all

dr. fauci, redfield and hahn have been under fire from a lot of democrats. i think they did themselves good today with those reassurances. the question is, is the american public already so confused that fewer people are going to take the vaccine? thank you so much, dr. john torres, always great to see you. thanks for helping us today. >> you bet. >>> the son of the late justice antonin scalia, one of the sons, to remember ruth bader ginsburg ahead, and the extraordinary family friendship. first, this from the late justice, from ruth bader ginsburg, about the rights afforded to women by the constitution. >> over the course of now over two centuries, it has grown and developed so that more and more people are included in that concept, "we the people." he peo. >> tech: we'll come right to you. ♪ upbeat music >> tech: you'll get a text when we're on our way. >> tech: before we arrive, just leave your keys on the dash. we'll replace your windshield with safe, no-contact service. ♪ upbeat music >> tech: and that's service you can trust when you need it the most.

we were pointing this out with my colleague, that there was a concern that dr. hahn could bend to the pressure of the white house and west wing which has been obvious. they are not trying to hide the pressure. commissioner hahn has said in multiple statements he will not bend to pressure. when you are in the west wing meeting with the president and vice president you feel the pressure, not just while you are at the fda, but at the white house. they talk about what they are feeling from the white house, starting with the president. >> secretary, about the vaccine, there is already an inherent distrust, people reluctant to take it already. when the coronavirus becomes available, it is imperative that people feel comfortable taking it. what does this do to that level of comfort? >> it's back to the issue of trust. i believe this is some political ploy being jammed out the door. what we think we know is the vaccine is likely to require two doses, more complicated than most vaccines. only shingles, to my knowledge, requires two doses. that's difficult for people to do. th

anthony fauci and dr. hahnat a vaccine might be available for certain groups before the clinical trials are fully completed if the data is overwhelmingly positive. not a phase three approval, we're talking about eua. the timing of this raise concerns that the administration is speeding up the vaccine. >>> russia has been trying to raise doubts about the presidential candidates' health. dhs officials didn't release a bulletin on that disinformation effort. that's coming up. that's coming up a lot goes through your mind. with fidelity wealth management, your dedicated adviser can give you straightforward advice and tailored recommendations. that's the clarity you get with fidelity wealth management. and tailored recommendations. look limu! someone out there needs help customizing their car insurance with liberty mutual, so they only pay for what they need. false alarm. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ now that the rent's due but they've cut your pay. now that the virus has cost

we heard dr. hahn say we need to wait until the trials are in.re hearing we don't need to wait until phase three trials are complete. safety and efficacy are so important because we're talking about giving a vaccine to hundreds of millions of americans. >> the u.s. did see some progress last month. the average of new cases dropped 34% in august after soaring 37% in july but improvement is soaring. new cases down just 3% in the last week. cases are higher in 19 states. many are located in the upper midwest and many because of this. 260 cases of coronavirus stem from the sturgis motorcycle rally in south dakota. a predictable super spreader event and the numbers might be higher if the numbers weren't slowing down. the cdc relaxed guidance about who needs testing, a move almost universally rejected. spikes on college campus are rejecting them to push for the opposite. >>> most university students are not going to know they're infected. they're not knowingly transmitting the virus to others. the only way to find them in a university setting is doing

dr. hahn has done a great job. they are ready to approve something.is happening that is very different. you look at a couple like pfizer. a great company. one of the great companies of the world. johnson and zahns. -- johnson. they are all great. doing a lot of testing at a rapid rate. nobody has ever seen anything like it. they are in the third level of trial. you will see things that are amazing. when i made statements like that, that's an old statement. i had no idea we would produce as well as we are producing but only because of what i have done in the fda and other things can we come up with numbers like that. we are lucky we don't have to. that was considered fast. this it was an administration from the past far beyond obama, it was other administrations also, you would not have a vaccine for 2.5 or 3 years. we will have one with at most a couple of months. >> coronavirus relief do you feel comfortable with what was put forward? >> yes, some republicans disagree. i like the larger number. i want to see people get money. it wasn't their fault th

it was just bad math that dr. hahn had to apologize for.ere you to hear that from the fda commissioner he participated in that? >> right, well his apology was half assed. all he did was say i mixed up absolute and relative. he didn't get to the point here that there was no 35% reduction and he said of sick people, sick with covid. about 1 out of 100 people would die from covid. you can't save 35 lives out of one and beyond that, the point being, if you took that data from the mayo clinic study and extrapolated to a randomized, well conducted trial, the most would be three to four people's lives saved of those who otherwise would die. this is completely wrong. he's never made that correction. the other thing -- john, there is many other errors like this. this is not a singular event in his months of tenure as fda commissioner. >> very quickly, what concerns do you have about the use, wide use of convalescent plasma. well, biologically, when we make antibodies if you suffered infection, they mostly don't do anything. not neutralized. so when

dr. hahnd the leading standard is that the benefit outweighs the risk in a public health emergency. thomas cooney is the director of pharmaceutical manufacturers that represents the companies that signed this pledge. >> the mesh -- the message is clear. to push a vaccine approval faster than might be good for the testing. they don't want that to happen. >> can you be clear with me? we heard donald trump saying he thinks a vaccine could be possible by october. that would raise the expectations of americans and those around the world. is he wrong to suggest that is possible? >> it is challenging. we can expect some results of this large clinical trial maybe by the end of october, but then you need to look at the data. you need to validate the data. i think it is unlikely we will have a vaccine approved or distributed at large-scale before the end of this year. we may be surprised, but clearly, the manufacturers do not want speed above quality. >> here on outside source, we distill the most impor

redfield, dr. hahn, others is they're confident new treatment will be specific in the next few weeks. the monoclonal antibodies developed and used during ebola crisis to help prevent and cure it. they only can be approved based on data from the fd. -- f.d.a. if they are approved in the next few weeks, if you come down with covid, you will have an antibody cocktail that in the case of ebola approved to prevent and help cure it. knowing these vaccines are being manufactured and are likely to be approved by the end of the year and that treatments will be broadly available by the end of the year in addition to the five that now exist should help give americans more confidence in going back to school, back to college, back to child care, back to work and out to eat. and then there's a third success story, and that is diagnostic testing. the united states got off to a bumpy start with diagnostic testing. the first c.d.c. test flopped, and we lost some time. but since then there's been an explosion of diagnost

. >> thanks, dr. hahn. just to reemphasize. really my first zoom update tuesday, we focused on the new test criteria. and we focused on the fact that at that time, we were experiencing delays in turnaround time. there were access to testing isues that have popped up. really, that was the impetus to our perk and elmer partnership to bring new testing capacity to the state. but what dr. pond is focused on over the past couple of weeks is really an a -- arrival to a different time. the turnaround times are shortened. so that those test results can be more useful, both to the individual who was tested but also on the contract tracing effort from the perspective of isolation. and making sure those who are isolated for a period of time do so early on. so this on focused on changing our prioritization. the tears are different. but that all of them can be tested now. and we want to support any of the individuals to get tested at the same rate. again, if things do go to a place where we need to revise that, because there is pressure on

dr. hahn said this. i can assure you 100% that the president has never pressured me to make a decision regarding any regulatory -- of the fda's work. that is absolutely the case. secretary a's are said this morning about the vaccine, this is all about saving lives. briefed theid we president today, this was a few said theredr. fauci is no political pressure i have seen to move quickly. this president wants to break through regulatory barriers to get a vaccine to the american people as quickly as possible because lives are at stake. he will not in any way sacrifice safety and making sure this is 100% airtight before the american people receive it. the priority is saving lives. there will be a safe and effective vaccine in the works. cnn is spinning up a conspiracy theory always based upon the cdc -- cnn was peddling a theory on this as well. you had career officials at the cdc who made a decision, who spoke with states about preparing vaccines. who are preparing in advance to have a vaccine distributed. u

here was the first question i asked dr. hahn. dr. hahn, who is the only person who knows when the vaccines that are being developed will be distributed? and he doesn't really know because he doesn't know the date, nor do any of the career scientists at the f.d.a. know the date, when the data will show that the vaccine is safe and effective, and it won't be distributed until it is. so i said to dr. hahn, who makes the decisions at f.d.a.? do you make the decisions? do the career scientists make the decisions, or does the white house make the decisions about safety and effectiveness of a vaccine? he said the career scientists make the decisions. the white house does not. and i will not make a decision about the safety and effectiveness of vaccines unless the career scientists and i agree that it's safe and effective, according to neantd transparent data. i ask dr. faus question. i said, dr. fauci, you've been around for a awhile, came in the reagan days, been in your job as head of inl if he can shus diseases -- infectious diseases sinc

the record and have said that this vaccine is going through the same rigorous process it should as dr. hahn said, i said all f.d.a. decisions have been and will continue to be based solely on good science and data. dr. fauci said certainly there are no corners being cut here. and several others, secretary azar, have been on the record about this. members of the task force said this is going through the rigorous f.d.a. process and it will be a good, safe, effective vaccine. >> how soon would the president feel comfortable taking a vaccine himself? and would he support a non-american vaccine, perhaps even from china or russia? kayleigh: first i would say this, the president has been on the record saying, i'm happy to be the first person to take the vaccine or the last person, whatever is best for the american people. he believes it'll be a safe and effective vaccine, one he will certainly be open to taking. he said this, i'm going to really say something that is not like me. i don't care, i just want to get a vaccine that works. i don't care if it's another country, i'll take my hat off to th

then, if dr. hahn is true to his word when he wrote the op-ed in "washington post" or in the journal of american medical association, he will seek the advice of an advisory committee, another group of independent researchers who are not with the government, not associated with the pharmaceutical industry. i think they will give you an honest opinion. none of that worries me. -- one,ever has to be however, has to be concerned about a few things. this is not standard procedure. it is likely to go through emergency use authorization. language that surrounds emergency use authorization according to the fda guidelines includes phrases like "may be effective." second thing you worry about if you look at what happened with hydroxychloroquine or convalescent plasma, mark is right, they were given to people who are already sick. different, they are being given to millions of people who are generally going to be healthy young people who are not likely to die, so you certainly want to hold them to a higher standa

then if dr. hahn is true to his op-ed in he wrote the the journal of the american medical association, he will take the advice of the committee. it's an independent group not associate with the government. i think they will give you their honest opinion. that is all good. abouts to be concerned that this is not standard procedure. it is likely to go through emergency authorization. the language that surrounds emergency authorization points to the fda guidelines includes phrases like may be effective. second thing you worry about if you look at what happened with hydroxychloroquine or convalescent plasma, vaccines are different. they are being given to millions of people who are generally healthy and not likely to die. you certainly want to hold them to a high standard of safety. i will rate the first two cases that you saw influenced by the to dostration on the fda something that shouldn't have been done. neither of those should have been approved for use. if people are worried about whether the vacci

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fauci, dr. hahn, dr.field, said the one move the president made, it was bold, it was aggressive, it was decisive, and it save lives in this country. joe biden would have done the opposite. so we know that this situation would already be worse. for 2.5 million people predicted to be killed because of this virus, a single death is tragic. it's horrific. it was unleashed by china, this virus, all over the world. it is unacceptable. but the fact is that we have significantly fewer deaths because of this president's leadership, and i expect that to be an issue that we bring up in this debate. >> harris: well, right now we have some spikes and cases. if you look at the state of wisconsin, predictions are north of 300,000 deaths by christmas. we still have a lot to get done as a nation. hogan gidley, it's been a while. i stop you back on the program. thank you. >> thanks so much, harris. >> harris: preparing for a crush of mail-in ballots now. how ready are the states, and how different are the rules from state

account kenosha, wisconsin, there's a lot of distrust in general, not helped by the fact that you have dr. hahn, dr. redfield and others who have been unfortunately creating more mistrust in those government agencies. >> it all comes from the top, from a lot of political claims and conspiracy theories and pressure as well. thank you very much, dr. kavita patel, thanks for helping us today. >>> if it is tuesday, there's an a primary election today in massachusetts, importantly. people there are casting their ballots in large numbers, as far as the advance voting, mail-in voting. the state's democratic state primary. can a veteran politician hold off a challenger from a political dynasty? more on the tight race, coming up next. stay with us. i wanted more from my copd medicine that's why i've got the power of 1, 2, 3 medicines with trelegy. the only fda-approved once-daily 3-in-1 copd treatment. ♪ trelegy ♪ the power of 1,2,3 ♪ trelegy ♪ 1,2,3 ♪ trelegy woman: with trelegy and the power of 1, 2, 3, i'm breathing better. trelegy works three ways to open airways, keep them open and reduce inflammat

dr. peter chen hahn. professor of medicid infectious disease specialist. thank you both for joining u . >> have worked in vaccine development for two decades, would you describe to us the lleagues are going to be doing with covid-19 vaccine trials at stanford? >> yes, currently, we are planned tostart to vaccine trials, one, the jansen vaccine in mid-september, and the noble baxa vaccine in mid-oober. in perhaps a third vaccine candidate nember. again, that's all assuming that things go smoothly and continue to go well. but currently we are scheduled to begin enrollin several hundred patients. >> peter, you have been working in covid-19 response througen treating pa and also testing their peace, like convalescent plasma, and remdesivir. i would like to get to the science th some of vaccines, how are the candidates expected to work? >> essentially they work by recognize the foreign virus. you can also train them to gn ree bacteria. we train this arminian they go in and zoom off, and stop that passes than pathogen before it sets up shop. >> yvonne, how diffi

watch people like dr. hahn. watch the experts at the fda and listen to dr. fauci. if they come out and seem alarmed or if they get overruled, and i use that word specifically, because in the white house, i have seen first hand a number of things get overrided by political entities inside the white house. and the president himself has stated publicly after dr. hahn testified recently that he was putting additional regulations in place to, you know, instill confidence in the american people. because the vaccine, this is people's lives and security. we need this vaccine. we need this vaccine as a tool, as part of the tool kit against the virus. but it's important to really listen to what these scientific people are saying. and if you see them look distressed or if they say, i tried to put this regulation forward, or a group of experts come forward and say, but the president or the white house has overrided it, i would take that warning strongly, and really make that cause for concern. >> olivia, i have a really quick last question for you. donald trump mocked joe bide

redfield and dr. hahn struggle every day trying do the right thing.ush policies through and stand up for what is right. i'm certain after a certain amount of time it ooh goeset to be draining getting up and fating every single day and knowing that you've got these political influences aurns you who at times are critical. and if that voice is stronger than yours, it's got to be demoralizing, especially doctors who are leaders of agent is who have staff working day and night do what's right for the pandemic response and watching what's happening before them when they can't stand up for the scientists and the people at the agencies that are working for them. >> all the career professionals, the doctors, public health experts throughout the agencies. i want to get your thoughts on the commit for a peaceful transfer of power. does it surprise you based on what you saw, how the president operates behind closed doors? >> it does not. it's actually -- it's frightening to me because to be honest, during my tenure at the white house, i've had conversations betw

so i think it is important that dr. hahn reassure the public and take the steps and make it clear that there will not be political interference in the fda. that the head of the division saidreviews these vaccines he would resign if he was forced to do something he thought was wrong. in addition, the director has said that too. i hope we do not come to that. the process needs to be respected. not just the process, but the limbions and the bases for should be transparently explained to the public when they are made. host: since the viewer brought it up, what is your personal take on the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine or blood plasmas as treatment? guest: i think on hydroxychloroquine i have a different view of science. work but i have not seen any convincing signs that it works. just as we saw with the recent trial detecting an adverse event, we need data from the control studies and control ntrol trials. those for hydroxychloroquine have not supported efficacy. is room forere scientific debate, but i think that the evidence i

dr. hahn said that they will not be pressured. >>> and new at 6:00, founder of whole foods is calling americans out for their bad eating habits. john mackey says he believes the u.s. has deaths because of the high obesity rates. and he said we can see that through the way people eat today versus 50 or 60 years ago. statistically we're moving in the wrong direction, we're getting fast and sicker. health experts have said people with certain underlying conditions are more likely to suffer severe complications from the virus. >>> and ruth bader ginsburg will lie in state today inside the u.s. capitol. and here is a live look at d.c. justice ginsburg is the first woman to lie in state there. there will be a formal ceremony held this morning for invited guests only. ginsburg will be buried in a private service at arlington national cemetery next week. abc news will air a special report at 7:00 a.m. >>> still ahead, the struggle to get help from the edd. within woman explains what happened when a sc

think that's a political statement, because if you talk to most experts, and most experts including dr. hahn with the fda are saying they're going to use science and data, they're not going to use politics. most experts are saying probably the end of the year, beginning of spring, february/march time frame. if they prove something it's not really going to be an approval, it's going to be an emergency use authorization for a very limited people who are at extremely high risk of getting coronavirus or complications for it. >> the time line hasn't changed -- early next year, perhaps by summer for the widespread vaccine. we're crossing our fingers. in terms of what could happen before election day there might be something out there, but according to dr. torres that's not really widespread for us. we'll send it back to you. we've switched locations. it's back to school here. max on camera one. go ahead and pull out, max. and we got one of his buddies to help me with his production team. this is benji. he's doing his thing. >> wheelies in the backyard. >>wheelies. back to school night. i don't lik

they're going fast and they keep on being told that they have an all-star team is working on it dr. hahn is saying the agency could green light a vaccine before phase three trials are over. is phase three virtualous or once you get into it you know you have a winner or not. >> vaccines are really complicated because you need to know do they work. are they safe? and will people trust them? we got vaccine manufactures who never made a vaccine before. we have vaccine technology that's never been used before. at this point we would be surprised if there were not a surprise announcement of vaccines in october. the fact that a vaccine is maybe the single best tool that we have to fight covid so it is important to get it right and we not cut any corners on safety. if people don't trust it and not approved with clear data or if there is no complete transparency of what's happening. we risk a blow back. we risk one step forward and three steps backward. that's what happened with this administration opening too soon in southern states and that's what's happening in schools opening where there is a

dr. anthony fauci and the fda commissioner, stephen hahn, they are both pushing back on the claim that he, the president, could override the fda on vaccine approval. dr. fauci says interference in the process by sources outside of science is, in dr. fauci's words, troublesome, while dr. hahn says a vaccine will be based on science and data and not politics. let's talk about all of this and a lot more when former national security adviser to the president general mcmaster. thanks very much for joining us. your new book, and i want to put the cover up on the screen, very important new book. i've gone through it. "battle grounds, the fight to defend the free world." thanks for joining us, thanks for your service, and thanks for writing this book. let's talk about issues facing the american people right now. the president, very worrisome, refusing, i never thought i would see this or hear this, refusing to commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he were to use the presidential election. did you ever think you would hear that coming from a president of the united states? >> no, wolf, this is

>> reporter: now dr. hahn who leads the fda has said time and time again he's making decisions based on data, not on politics. but sources have described the environment of what it is like to have this fda commissioner, brooke, coming into the white house and meeting with the president and there is certain among other medical experts inside of this administration that he could bend to the political will of the president. what you're seeing the president say publicly about this time line here. and so basically what everyone is watching over the next sef several weeks are the decisions that the fda commissioner is making and what he's making them based on. >> so much of this politics, public health. kaitlan, thank you for that. >>> i want to go back to that dire prediction from the ihme and bring in dr. celine gounder, the commissioner of health in new york city and a cnn medical analyst. good to have you back. on this model, i know it is one of the more aggressive ones out there, just in terms of projections. b

fauci about it and i've talked to dr. hahnt have the sense that it's really under political pressure to get the vaccine out because of something called the data safety monitoring board which you know well. they are in the process of evaluating, making sure that that safety is involved and we have seen that with the astrazeneca vaccine so i don't feel that this vaccine will be pushed out in advance of the election. i am not sensing that. >> dana: there are multiple checks on the system so we should have some trust in it. thank you and have a good weekend. >> we have to hit high risk groups. that's the key. when it comes out again, we have to target health care workers and those most at risk. >> dana: of course. bye-bye. with the first game in the books, it's officially football season. so who better to talk about it than our own fox sports insider up next. veterans: you know mortgage rates have fallen to 50-year lows. but did you know that your va benefit lets you easily refinance to a lower rate? one call to newday can save yo

problem is we'll have to deal with the fda, and the fda is a fabulous agency, but the head of the fda, dr. hahnhings that undermined the public as well as the medical community's confidence. if this is a science-driven process, i think american people will have confident. we really have to have the science drive this. >> request you really get a vaccine that fast? >> you can if you work as hard as the scientific community is doing, and if you put in the kind of resources. it turns out, at least it appears, this virus is easier to make a vaccine for. plus we had made a lot of progress before this virus enshowed up. so we had a headstart. we put a ton of resources in. again, i think it's do awble. i think i and a lot of people are worried we don't want political pressure at the end when so much good work has gone into it. >> especially in appear pandemic. when and if a vaccine does become available, djhr. jha. we'll come to you, and we appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> coming up. both campaigns targets dueling ads. wisconsin's lieutenant governor is here next. wisconsin's lieutenant governor hiser

the fda, you have dr. hahn who said this, 100% the president has never pressured me to make a decision regarding any regulatory aspect of the fda's work. he said that just a few months ago, it is absolutely the case. secretary azar saying this morning about the vaccine whether it's october 15th or november 1st or november 15th, this is all about saving lives. dr. fauci say we in fact briefed the president today just a few weeks ago, i was there for that briefing. dr. fauci said there is no political pressure i have seen to move quickly. this president wants to break through regulatory barriers to get a vaccine as quickly as possible, because lives are at stake. but he will not in any way sacrifice safety and making sure this is 100% airtight for the american people. the priority here is saving lives. there will be a safe and effective vaccine in the works, again i think the cnn spinning up this conspiracy theory always based upon the cdc -- yes, cnn was peddling a theory on this as well. basically you had caree

redfield, even dr. hahn.ink if you listen to the public health professionals, they'll tell you we are -- we are still in the thick of it. and whether or not we have the task force meetings, which tend to be very political in nature, the fact still remains we are seeing a lot of cases. we're seeing more cases. we're seeing cases spike in many places and we're going to continue to see this. >> right. and a recent study just showed that fewer than 10% of americans have covid-19 answers, so we are nowhere near herd immunity, and a vaccine for the whole population is a very long way off. so how likely is it that we will all be wearing masks throughout next year? do we just need to get used to that idea? >> rosemary, even if we do have a vaccine that comes available, even this -- at the end of this year or beginning of the next year, it is going to take a very long time for that vaccine to be distributed to the entire population. and a vaccine is not likely to be so effective that it will be the only measure in pla

fauci and dr. hahnre this is safe and effective before it is actually officially administered to the population. >> i want to ask you about this new study that came out this week. i found it fascinating. it found the coronavirus may have mutated to become more contagious. the mutation did not appear to make the virus more dangerous or change patients outcomes, but indirectly i guess it would be more dangerous or potentially deadly because the fact if it's more contagious, more people could get it, right? >> yeah. that's right. martin, we've known about this for a while. when the virus actually traveled from asia to europe it had mutated then already and then ty typically the strain we're seeing now in the u.s. after the initial attack of the virus in north america mutated to this new strain. but studies have shown while this strain is more contagious, interestingly enough, martin, it is not killing more people. it is not more lethal. the reason for that is if you think about it, this is a virus that get

dr. hahn. listen to what the president said last night coming the timeletim timeline for a vaccine, john. >> it will be delivered before in my opinion, before the end of the year, but it really might be delivered before the end of object. how do you like that? wouldn't that be nice? that will be nice. you know why? not because of the election. be nice because we want to save people. that's why it would be nice. >> reporter: so he said there, it is not because of the election but of course, end of october right before the election and privately the president talked about this saying that he believes there are officials at the fda who he thinks are deliberately slowing the process to hurt his chances to winning and the fda officials say that's not the case. they want the vaccine as much as everyone else does and we have another story about the president in the military after an article appeared in "the atlantic" making allegations about the president and viewing the military overall and specifica