dr. carl hart, right now. >> there is a saying that dr. king had. he said, there is always the right time to do the right thing. i just try to live my life every day by doing the right thing. we know that we are only about halfway to completely eliminate hunger and we have a lot of work to do. walmart committed $2 billion to fighting hunger in the u.s. cane work together, we stamp hunger out. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. tavis: by any measure, the war on drugs has been a failure. and also how successfully to intervene. hart grew up in one of miami's toughest neighborhoods. many of the preconceived -- i was not sure what with the has to do drug war. or whether it had to do with your own life and the price that you have had to pay as a result of choices you have made. am i right about both, and neither, or either? >> you are right about both and i am glad that you mentioned above. particularly, when we look at poor people or black people, it is too high. people will come up subsequently. and in the book

free dr. hart. let me circle back again to high price. the life thus far wonderfully lived. >> the book is a memoir, science book, and policy book. from the science, one of the things i want people to take away is that they have been lied to. they have been misled about how awful drugs are. they have been used as a scapegoat to not deal with real problems that poor people face. that's not to say that drugs are not potentially dangerous, but the public has been misled. -- it meanssubjects that we should start to think about changing our public policy. in the book, i advocate that we decriminalize all drugs. young brothers and sisters and people are arrested for possession of drugs will no longer have a blemish on their record. when you have a blemish on your record, it decreases the likelihood of you making a contribution. inis: is it your sense that your profession, decriminalization is becoming more widely held? mostthink so, and scientists that study what i study report my view. ,hey are very concerned with and fearful of, the media. th

he offered some sense of solution, but i'd like to ask you, dr. hart, what do you think of what he said about identifying the problems that black males have but more importantly, the solutions he hinted at? >> well, i have to be really careful here because there are a hot of people -- a lot of people who support the president who i want to buy this book -- [laughter] now, on the one hand i think the president deserves props for coming out and saying something. he must be under tremendous pressure from both sides. and so i appreciate the pressures under which he, which he has to deal. on the other hand, one of the things that -- i listened to the speak carefully, and he gave evidence of the racial discrimination, two pieces of evidence he gave. the december proportionate -- disproportionate number of brothers and sisters in the system, criminal justice system, and the disproportionate numbers of people who are being arrested for drugs. if you look around the country, black people are four, seven, eight times more likely to be arrested for marijuana even

dr. carl hart, thank you for being here, dr. hart. >> thankthank you for having me. >> michael: you write about how studies are often misleading and simplistic on of the effects of drugs on people. >> i don't know if the studies are simplistic the interpretations are. people oftentimes emphasize the negative things related to drugs and not the other effects. for example there is this belief the majority of people who use drugs like crack cocaine cocaine, heroin, meth, the majority of those people are addicted. that's the brief. that's an inaccurate belief. 80% or 90% of people who use those drugs do so without a problem. the last three guys who up occupied the white house, president obama has used cocaine, marijuana. the guy before him george bush used marijuana widely suspected of using cocaine. before him president clinton had used marijuana. all of those guys did so without problems. this is not to besmirch their reputation. this is to show much of what we believe about guys is wrong. much of the people are like those guys, go

dr. hart is a member of the national advisory council on drug abuse and is also an associate professor of psychology and psychiatry at columbia university. he is a board member of the college on problems of drug dependency and has conducted 22 years of research in the pharmacology and the drug addiction. dr. hart, welcome to "after words." >> guest: thanks for having me. >> host: this is a fascinating book. let me say up front it is a fascinating story as well as the work or the result of your work in science. but the heart and soul i would say coming and i hope if i'm wrong you will tell me, but you are saying you estimate there are 20 plus million americans who do illegal drugs. >> guest: the national government conduct a survey every year and this has been known for some time there is 20 plus million americans who use drugs on a regular basis. >> host: then you also say that over the generations of retired people always used drugs >> guest: that is a fact. >> host: so birds fly and men get

dr. carl hart, right now. >> there is a saying that dr. king had. he said, there is always the right time to do the right thing. i just try to live my life every day by doing the right thing. we know that we are only about halfway to completely eliminate hunger and we have a lot of work to do. walmart committed $2 billion to fighting hunger in the u.s. cane work together, we stamp hunger out. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. tavis: by any measure, the war on drugs has been a failure. and also how successfully to intervene. hart grew up in one of miami's toughest neighborhoods. many of the preconceived -- i was not sure what with the has to do drug war. or whether it had to do with your own life and the price that you have had to pay as a result of choices you have made. am i right about

dr. hart is a member of the national advisory council on drug abuse and he is also an associate professor of psychology and psychiatry at columbia university. he is a board member of the college on problems of drug dependency and has conducted 22 years of research and psychopharmacology and the science of drug addiction. dr. hart welcome to "after words." >> guest: thanks for having me. >> host: this is a fascinating book and let me say up front it's your personal story as well as the work or the results of your work in science. but the heart and soul of that i would say and if i'm wrong i hope you will tell me i'm wrong is that you are saying you know what, i think there are 20 plus million americans who do illegal drugs. >> guest: the national government conducts a survey every year and this has been known for some time. there are 20 plus million americans who use drugs on them regular basis. >> host: then you also say that over the generations over time people have always use drugs. >> gues

of the day is of science and health and then on stage rating deadly monopolies and apartheid and dr. hart appeared on after words a few weeks back but he is here as well in his book is called high price about drugs in america and also will be joining us for the call-in program and then a panel on african-american history in the 21st century and joining us this is sarah griffin historian and her book comes out this fall with the college and opportunity. and also the author of the new books on rosa parks will be joining us and then it is on politics and religion and after that you will have a call in with a panelist a professor at the theological seminary and politics of jesus is the name of his book. that is what is ahead today at the 15th fatal car loan book fair now we'll introduce you to the founder , the max rodriquez. how did you get this book fair started and why? >> 16 years ago i had the book review and as the extension of that we move but that there was no outdoor celebration of black right seeing or writers year in the home of the harlem renaissance. how could that be? we plan th

dr. carl hart, right now. >> there is a saying that dr. king had.id, there is always the right time to do the right thing. i just try to live my life every day by doing the right thing. we know that we are only about halfway to completely eliminate hunger and we have a lot of work to do. walmart committed $2 billion to fighting hunger in the u.s. cane work together, we stamp hunger out. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. tavis: by any measure, the war on drugs has been a failure. and also how successfully to intervene. hart grew up in one of miami's toughest neighborhoods. many of the preconceived -- i was not sure what with the has to do drug war. or whether it had to do with your own life and the price that you have had to pay as a result of choices you have made. am i right about both, and

dr. carl hart on his book that examined the causes of addiction. we will see you then. >> there is a saying that dr. king had. he said, there is always the right time to do the right thing. i just try to live my life every day by doing the right thing. we know that we are only about halfway to completely eliminate hunger and we have work to do. walmart committed $2 billion to fighting hunger in the u.s. as we work together, we can stamp hunger out. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> be more. pbs. >>> tonight on "quest" -- elephant seals dive deeper, swim farther and hold their breath longer than almost any mammal on earth. but how do they accomplish such remarkable feats? bay area scientists have begun to unlock the secrets of these aquatic athletes. >>> and after multiple unmanned missions to mars, we still don't know if life has ever existed there. nasa scientists are hoping a new high-tech rover will help them solve the mystery. >>> major funding for "quest" is provided by the national science

dr. carl hart. you have been listening to him. his book,. he joins us to take your calls and we will begin with a call from margaret in wilmington, delaware. you are on with carl hart, alondra 11price: a neuroscienti journey of self-discovery that challenges everything you know about drugs and society"" . >> reporter: i have a range of children at home fromi have a rt home from ages 7 to teenagers. a a are exposed to these alcohol and drugs in their homeland when they're in my home they are not exposed to these things and this is what they are going back to. i tried to am power of them. i have to empower the children. many times i have teenagers in the home, they have been exposed to everything as far as being in st. company coming in the household and for whatever reason. >> host: what is your question? >> caller: how do i am power? give me questions on how to empower these children as they go back to the home. >> guest: make sure they have as much information as possible in terms of drugs that make sure they are doing well in school, make

dr. carl hart, right now. >> there is a saying that dr. king had. he said, there is always the right time to do the right thing. i just try to live my life every day by doing the right thing. we know that we are only about halfway to completely eliminate

dr. carl hart. i want to remind you he is not only in author 46 he's an associate professor in psychology and psychiatry at columbia university and a member of the national advisory council on drug abuse and a board member of the college on the problems of drug dependency and has done 22 years of research and d nero psycho pharmacology. carl hart come it has been a pleasure to learn about you. this is a biography as well as a book about drugs, society and race. congratulations on your book. >> that was "after words," book tv signature program and which authors of the latest nonfiction books are interviewed by journalists, public policy makers, legislators and others familiar with their material. "after words" airs every weekend on book tv at 10 p.m. on saturday, 12 p.m. and 9 p.m. on sunday at 12 a.m. on monday. you can also watch "after words" on line. go to booktv.org and click on "after words" in the book tv series and topics list on the upper right side of the page. >> now on book tv, richard be

dr. carl hart you talk about an episode of your use in miami you saw of may and, of white man shot in retaliation than your sister is shot and it is all drug-related. you understand the negative consequences from people that think i can't handle drugs, no big deal i ever weekend user. is a that contradictory? that it doesn't damage anything? >> guest: my sister being shot that was not drug-related it was the beef >> host: i thought there was a drug element to that. >> guest: but the white guy that was there simply to buy marijuana but there was an incident that happened earlier in the day with some other white guys in the black guys in my neighborhood that was more race and he just happened to be buying marijuana in the neighborhood. so the problem here was race. >> host: that was racial tension in 1980. but then it leads to the shooting of your sister but drugs just seem to be part of in this emphasizes the point you make in the book of the larger social structure in tension, poverty tension, poverty, abandonmen t, all of the issues with drugs come into it today act as a catalyst to speed up neg

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dr. hart, you lay a heavy one on us with the book "high price" i want to raise the issues of what people are curious about start with the title itself in what is the high price and who pays it? >> the key for coming out i need you to be doing something else on this hot day so thank you for joining us. "high price" the title seven of you may have heard of the publicity around the book and the first tenured african american scientist at columbia and with that is the case one must pay the price is in the book i say the prices too high it is one hell of a toll to take on someone and folks who are coming up subsequently am trying to show people to decrease the price for other people who look like me if they want to become a scientist. when we think about what we're doing in this country. i steadied drugs of abuse by the way on rethink about what we're doing with policy some of you know, unless you have that under a rock that our drug policy disproportionately affects black men and what i say in ter