dr. levitt. dr. levitt, you talked about the traditional profile, which leads me to conclude that there must be a nontraditional profile, and you did mention at least one example. before i go to my question, would you go back through the example of utilizing certain persons to drive cars, please? i want to make sure i clearly understood the example that you were sharing. >> sure, with pleasure. and mr. swecker could jump in, because this is the charlotte case which he ran and i served as an expert witness in the actual prosecution. so correct me if i get anything wrong here. the individuals running the cigarette smuggling scam were purchasing bulk cigarettes in the carolinas and driving across state lines to michigan, and not paying the tax. this made it a federal crime. they were speeding as they were driving up to michigan and were getting speeding tickets. and assumed that not -- not the reason they were getting these tickets is not that they were speeding, but assumed it was because they were bein

dr. matthew levitt. in 2005, and 2007, doctor levin served as deputy secretary for intelligence and analysis at department of treasury and then at the state department counterterrorism adviser to the special envoy to the middle east regional security. prior to that, provided tactical and strategic analytical support and logistical support networks for middle eastern and terrorist groups. dr. levitt, you're recognized for five minutes. >> thank you for the opportunity to testify before you today. just a few months ago i testified in front of the subcommittee on iranian terrorist activities on american soil and will focus my testimony today on issues of hezbollah and refer members on issues of iran to that previous testimony. hezbollah has long leveraged global networks for support activities. the vast majority often informal networks are not called upon to carry operations but raise funds to procure documents you site add military equipment. the united states, hezbollah has long seen the united states as

dr. levitt, you mentioned you can see homegrown terrorism here as we speak. we obviously had evidence to the attack or the attempted attack on the saudi arabian ambassador. but, dr. kahl, let me thank you for reinforcing the president's international perspective on iran is that he does not adhere to containment, that iran having a nuclear weapon is unacceptable. and that he has not precluded any option if you will. but i think what is important again is the nation's reinforcement that american citizens -- so the american citizens have civil liberties rights and certain protections under the constitution. is that still your understanding? >> well, as a public official, i took an oath to uphold the constitution. i believe that as an individual, too. so i think, you know, there can be trade space between our security and liberty, but we have to be clear to preserve our liberty because that's what we're fighting for. >> and you adhere to words that came out soon after 9/11 that we don't want the terrorists to force us to terrorize ourselves? you remember some para

dr. levitt mentioned -- my time is limited. but we sent a letter to the president calling for significant covert action in iran. cyber. and also the designation of the qods force as a foreign terrorist organization. i was surprised, given the bombing of our marines in beirut and buenos aires, the jewish community center, that they're not on the foreign terrorist organization list. would that be -- and i introduced the bill this morning along with the chairman's support to do just that. would that be helpful in terms of giving us more authorities to go after the qods forces in the united states? >> well, you know, i think it would, but even more importantly, it makes them a target. and our nation's security resources and apparatus understands that they are now a designated foreign terrorist organization and it just naturally causes them to focus more heavily on that threat. that designation means a great, great deal. >> thank you. >> mr. higgins recognized for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. firstly, let me just say, i

dr. levitt, you mentioned that hezbollah sometimes will resort to extortion to get things done. there are some who advocate for profiling in our tsa, for example, and in a reverse manner of maybe not searching thoroughly elderly women or doing patdowns on children. do we then make them or expose them to a risk of being used as a mule of families being extorted to subject them to -- since they have less security things to go through, do we do the reverse and expose them to extortion? >> i don't know of any evidence where something like that has happened. i do worry about racial profiling has become a very charged term. there is much more to profiling than race, and has to be. it has to be intel-driven. we know in the charlotte case, for example, at one point as they were speeding across interstates from carolina to michigan and couldn't figure out how they were constantly getting tickets but time was money and they were being told to speed. and they were getting speeding tickets. they assumed it was because it was racial froe profiling. it wasn't. so they hired white, blonde wome

dr. matthew levitt, a senior femme fellow of the stein program of intelligence and associate professor of securities studies program in georgetown university. he was called as your witness, mr. ranking member and we're delighted to have him here today, and i spoke to him earlier. the first witness is mitchell silver, the director of intelligence analysis for the new york police department's intelligence division. silver is an expert in the field of counterterrorism. he has done absolutely outstanding work with the nypd, of putting together their extensionive counterterrorism program. mr. silver, let me thank you and commissioner kelly as a new yorker for the truly outstanding work you have done and say in spite of the irrational and indefensible attacks against you and commissioner kelly by the "new york times," by the associated press and other unknowing and misguided politicians, i thank you for the job you've done and continue to do especially for the 14 plots against new york you have stopped and for not yielding at all in the face of all the attacks, misguided, cheap attacks made aga