david pecker and his consigliere dylan howard were both heavily involved in this arrangement by whichseek unflattering and usually tawdry stories about donald trump and they would pay money for the rights to those stories, which entailed essentially muzzling the people in possession of those stories and instead of running the results of that transaction in "the enquirer" they would sit on it and i at one point of my reporting got access to a master list of many, many stories that over the years "the enquirer" had done this with with respect to trump. >> so anderson spoke with karen mcdougal in 2018, the "playboy" model who said she had an affair with trump and was paid for her silence. i'm going to play part of that where she explains her experience with this catch and kill process. >> what's your understanding of a catch and kill. >> from what i'm learning a catch and kill is somebody for, like, for yourself taking a story about somebody you like or care about or have a friendship about and they squash a story so it doesn't hurt you. or hurt them. >> so did you know that that's what

and then there was a dawning realization by dylan, howard and others that what they were doing doingwas going to look very bad. i mean, that was said in some of those internal text messages. pretty directly almost word for word, and now we're seeing the consequences. so david pecker did meet with prosecutors in this case that we're dealing with this week and reportedly testified to the grand jury. what kind of information do you think he might be able to provide? well, what's interesting is when i was reporting on these hush payments through am i including karen macdougal story? the enquirer. folks were lying to us and they were giving us statement saying this never happened. you have it all wrong, and subsequently they have had to admit to what was alleged in that reporting in some and substance in their agreement with federal prosecutors. now when these individuals are talking to additional prosecutors after that admission, i think there's going to be a lot more information. it was remarkable about this. john is it is not new information. these facts are out there. uh you know they

>> if it pecker, barry levine order dylan howard. >> -- david pecker at the national enquirer.donald trump spent the weekend lying about the manhattan district attorney's grand jury investigation at a campaign rally in texas that attracted a much smaller crowd than the trump campaign rallies used to attract. donald trump said that manhattan district attorney was working quote, on the auspices and direction of the justice department in washington, d.c., he of course called it the in justice department. and that is a lie. the manhattan district attorney operates with complete independents, as does the justice department. and they are both completely independent of the other. in their current investigations of donald trump, for a range of crimes. that he may have committed. donald trump harkened back this weekend to his life before politics. telling the following lie to the texas crowd. i was leading this life. i didn't know what subpoena meant. donald trump has been hit with subpoenas in civil lawsuits virtually every year of his professional life. he has also been, he has also i

his name and dylan howard, the editor, they were heavily involved in the negotiations with the stormy daniels and then lawyer davidson for the hush money payment. what's interesting is that this is the second time that david pecker has appeared in front of the grand jury and david pecker and dylan howard insisted that michael cohen deal in the negotiations. they themselves did the negotiations. they dispatched michael cohen to do so and, in fact, from what we know, michael cohen was pressured by dylan howard as well as david pecker to hurry up and get the deal done. why? because donald trump wanted the deal done. to have him appear twice some people may get concerned if you are really wanting a prosecution of donald trump you might say did the grand jury need to hear again interest david pecker and the answer is yes. and the reason why, we did have robert costello appear last week who tried to take down michael cohen's credibility when he appeared in front of the grand jury and dotting the is and crossing the ts. it's pretty much when you have to go back and watch season one of a show

daniels situation, and h declined to pay directly as he did with caught him with the oval, and had dylan howard shu that to michael cohen, we ar right to say that hi involvement in the first one was higher, he's als personally involved in at leas two conversations with cohen i trump i believe, as you and have discussed, that's the reason he came back to rebut bob costello, who sent came in to say this was cohen's doing, he wanted to impressin ingratiate himself to trump. david pecker is that person wh can rebuffed that. >> one's mind is boggled b that, is that someone would pa someone else's debt hoping the get reimbursed harry lippman, thank you for being with us. i was just reading what yo written which was published in the u.s. los angeles time an as i read the comments fro republican elected and take by something he said a trump' insistence will be put through as much stress as possible claiming it every term renewed proof of political vendett against him in his supporters. the idea beloved later pai through a whole of could have wooden election, seems to have falling abilities side of an r

>> david pecker, barry levine or dylan howard. >> the other two men worked for david becker at the national inquiry. donald trump spent the weekend lying about the manhattan district attorney grand jury investigation at a rally that attracted a much smaller crowd than trump pain rallies -- he said that the manhattan district attorney was working, quote, under the auspices and direction of the justice department in washington d.c.. of course, he called it the in justice department. that is a lie. the manhattan district attorney operates with a complete independents as does the justice department and they are both completely independent of the other. and their current investigations of donald, trump four and a range of crimes that he may have committed. donald trump harken back this week to his life before politics. telling following lie to the texas crowd. >> i was leaving this life. i didn't know what subpoena meant. donald trump has been hit with subpoenas in civil lawsuits virtually every year of his professional life. he has also been and issued subpoenas in federal lawsuits, has always

they have met with other witnesses, including kellyanne conway, hope hicks -- >> david pecker, dylan howardjeff mcconnie, debra tarasov -- >> as you go back to -- after they have spoken to the other witnesses, does that inform them as to what they ask you the next time? >> i don't know how they run their process. >> ithey are not asking the sam questions over and over? >> i do. to respect their process, what i can tell you is that they are questioning of me started out at like 35,000 feet. by the time that i hit the 20th interview, we were down to like three feet ready to land. the grand jury was the actual takeoff back to we'll call it accountabilitiville. >> so the grand jury questions are different than the questions that they initially asked you? >> they are on the same point, but they are not exactly the same. >> okay. stormy daniels testified in front of the grand jury at least met with the grand jury yesterday through -- >> i don't know that. >> you don't know that? >> to no. >> what do you think of stormy daniels being brought into the process? that's a surprise to people. does that

that's the character, karen macdougal catch and kill, right, um dylan howard. work for pecker. correct correct, correct . deborah tarasov worked at trump or she did. makani, this assistant controller work directly with alan weisberg. correct. correct bender is an accountant. correct kellyanne conway worked closely with donald trump allegedly knew about the stormy daniels payment . is that correct? let's just say that she worked for trump. i don't want to get into what she does and doesn't know. okay hope hicks worked closely with donald trump. yes and you feel like being grilled again by the d. a. should not be surprised by the reported charges. if you look at this list of witnesses, why because it lays out. what has already been reported over the years. i mean, many of this. much of this information is not specifically brand new. i mean, it's been talked about over and over again for years. let's not forget this april. it's five years since the raid on my home hotel, the my law office. so this is a long time coming. this is not been like what they did to me. but the southern d

dylan howard, who worked for pecker, deborah um tarasov, who is also testified. work for trump or jeff makani, the assistant controller work directly with alan weisberg. donald bender, the accountant there who worked for trump kellyanne conway. of course, we know who worked closely with trump hope hicks, who worked closely with trump and then michael cohen, so many people have been affected. and robert costello as well by this former president. great reporting. thank you, maggie. thank you. thanks to you all. alright sources tell cnn is maggie was just saying that trump is expected to turn himself in on tuesday. they're still working out the details. we're going to talk to one of his attorneys about this unprecedented indictment. with veverizon. you can now get a private five g network so you can do momore thn connect your business. you can make it even smarter. courts can know where every piece of cargo is and where it's going right on time can predict breakdowns and order their own replacement parts. nice work can get ahead of the fashion trend of the day with

that's the character, karen macdougal, catch and kill right, dylan howard. work for pecker. correct correct, correct. deborah tarasov worked at trump org. she did makani this assistant controller work directly with alan weisberg. correct. correct bender is an accountant. correct kellyanne conway worked closely with donald trump allegedly knew about the stormy daniels payment . is that correct? let's just say that she worked for trump. i don't want to get into what she does and doesn't know. okay hope hicks worked closely with donald trump. yes and you feel like being grilled again by the d. a. should not be surprised by the reported charges. if you look at this list of witnesses, why because it lays out. what has already been reported over the years. i mean, many of this. much of this information is not specifically brand new. i mean, it's been talked about over and over again for years. let's not forget this april. it's five years since the raid on my home hotel, the my law office. so this is a long time coming. this is not been like what they did to me. but the southern di

the full list of people we know were before this grand juror -- kelly ann conway, hope hicks, dylan howardh davidson, stormy daniels' lawyer will you match the structural arrangements like the one we heard with michael cohen and donald trump hashing out in trump's office and you look at people who had to come in and tell the truth about what they knew the story is not a stretch when you look at how close to the line -- the bombshell that was your reporting, how close to the line trump -- almost from infancy to the presidency walked when it came to the law -- way over the line on ethics. in terms of the law, i wonder what you think in terms of how much there was to present to a grand jury in terms of the evidence that would prove these 30 counts of fraud >> it's one of the things you can never say for sure until we see the indictment they're not going to go forward with this case unless they have the building blocks to show not just through witnesses like michael cohen, but through documents. having done investigations like this where we built cases and have shown fraud, you go to things li

hicks, jeffrey mcconney, david pecker, the former publisher of "the national inquirer," we know dylan howard, the former "national inquirer" top editor who had been on the other end of this, keith davidson, who was one of stormy daniels' lawyers, has gone in. we don't know what, if anything, allen weisselberg said about this case, do we have that right? >> i think that's right. i'm not sure we know what any of those people have said and the substance of it, but we do know that allen weisselberg maybe more than anyone else would feel the pinch to not be caught in a perjury problem, to not get himself in further trouble, and would feel sort of motivated to be, i think, forthcoming, where he maybe hasn't been before. he's obviously cooling his heels in a jail right now. and that has a way of sort of shaking the truth loose from people >> yeah, at least not getting yourself in more trouble, you would imagine, to be his mind-set all right, we need all of you to stick around this conversation has lead us to what could be an incredibly consequential week for the country and the twice impeached ex-p