i want to turn now to michael eric dyson. dr. dyson is a sociology professor at georgetown university. also the author of a number of books related to the subject matter we've been talking about over the past two weeks. farra stockman is also with me, a "new york times" reporter covering national trends, including issues related to race and class. latest reporting focuses on the call from activists to de-fund police. honored to have both of you. reminder to viewers and listeners on sirius satellite radio, er pelosi wraps up there, she'll join me, as well. dr. die sooyson, i'll start wit. from what you heard there, democrats, are they meeting the moment with this proposed legislation? >> well, i think absolutely right. i think they are making a concerted effort to address the most glaring disparities between communities of color, especially plaque communi black communities, and the treatment by the police that is routinely afforded suburban americans or white americans and other places. i think the necessity of engaging in serious

dyson went to court and the court found against him. dyson did a freedom of information act to find out what had been lobbying the court and sure enough drug up a treasure trove of appalling corporate lobby using. he appealed. won his appeal the regular layings were struck down. by now five years had passed and the chinese competitors had caught up. that's the kind strait jacket. dyson wanted to us join the world and use world standards rather than european standards and have a competitive open free trading system. and that's what we're planning to do next year when we are fully out of the european union. >> host: that story just told me -- my concern but this brief enthusiasm, at least in the out, but industrial policy is that they assume that we're going to have these very smart, independent, selfless bureaucrats in the new department of innovation or the attend of technology -- department of technology who will based purely on their best estimate 0 the signs and technology make decisions what technologies to fund or maybe what compan

so dyson went to court, they found against him, dyson did information act to see who'd been lobbing the court and dug up a treasure trove of appalling corporate and he won his appeal and by now five years had passed and the chinese competitors had caught up. that is the kind of straitjacket within european innovators have to work. and that, by the way is one of the reasons james dyson was one of the leaders for breakfast. that's what we could the world in his world standards rather than european standards. and have a competitive, open, free trading system. that's or planning to do and we are fully out of the european union. >> that story you just told relates to me one of my concerns about this recent enthusiasm with the united states on industrial policy is that they assume we're going to have these very smart independent selfless bureaucrats and the new department of innovation the department of technology would ever you want to call it and it will be purely on their best estimate of science and technology make these decisions about what technologies to fund or maybe what companies to

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professor dyson, giving the unfolding scene, we're going to bring in our reporter that we've been relying on this weekend, msnbc's garrett haak. what are you seeing? >> reporter: ari, this is an extraordinary escalation on the streets in front of the white house right now. in the last 15 minutes, mounted police have been coming down the street. you'll see them in the frame right now, using flash bangs and mounted police to career what has been an entirely peaceful protest. not 99%, but 100% peaceful protest here today. people throwing -- there was no throwing of water bottles. there was no throwing of objects. but a short time ago, mounted police officers have been clearing the streets. tony, if you can pan to the right, i want to show the military police. i want to show the military police on the side of the street. over the last half hour, we have had military police, secret service officers, we've had park police and now national guardsmen lining the fence. they've been stepping up closer and closer over the last few minutes. you can see them lining the fence, firing pepper balls into

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. >> i spoke with michael dyson how we go from protest to tangible outcomes. drew brees comments came up. >> you've got to raise the question and when you raise the question and you force the issues, then you begin to translate that into public policy. you know, some people have put forth ideas about defunding the police. los angeles, california, one of the biggest departments of police there, the lapd has said it will shift $150 billion of its budget towards other arenas that will enable the community to address some of the issues. when we move from protest to purpose, from mass movement to mission it is extremely important to identify those public policies that will translate that concern, but even more broadly we've got to talk about a shift in attitude, disposition of understanding and interpretation. for instance, a white famous football player, drew brees who is the quarterback of the new orleans saints, when asked the question about what was going on basically said, well, i will never -- in regard to colin kaepernick, the famous ex-footballer who took a

aieric dyson. we will leave it there but we are out of time. really appreciate your insietgh and experience, sir. >> thanks for having me. >> u.s. defense secretary has delivered a stunning rebuke of president trump's leadership. mattis went public with concerns after the president's threatened to deploy the military if states are unable or unwilling to end violent protests. in an e-mail to a small number of journalists, james mattis wrote donald trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the american people, does not even pretend to try. instead, he tried to divide us. we are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. we are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. we can unite without him. drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. in response, president trump tweeted, probably the only thing barack obama and i have in common is that we both had the honor of firing jim mattis, the world's most overrated general. i asked for his letter of resignatio

joining us now is michael eric dyson, author of "tears we cannot stop" which addresses the plague oflice brutality against black americans and tim weiss, author of "white like me: reflections on race from a privileged son." it's great to get both of your perspectives. i've been looking forward to this conversation. michael, where are we? what are we supposed to think this week and what's next? >> we're in the devastating aftermath of the denial of race in america, the denial that black humanity is not acknowledged, the fact that it spills over into the streets is an indication that we haven't learned the lesson and furthermore, not to indict those who are out there trying to make an argument that was not heard in other places, that was not heard in corporate america, that wasn't heard in professional circles, that wasn't heard even in the academy, and now it is to the shame of america that we have not heard until bloodshed, we have not heard until yet another black person dies, until the proverbial knee of white america is constantly lodged against the neck of vulnerable black people

want them to help lead this and i want one of the greatest thinkers of our time, doctor michael eric dysonhave asked him to speak was that we need to break down. the auto know what time it is. you're operating like it is yesterday. the reason you are late catching up to what these protest means is because you did not turn your clocks forward. talking about make america great. great for who and great when? where are you going to make america great again for everybody for the first time. —— we are going to make. never it was great for blacks, never was great for latinos, it was never great for others. nothing was great for woman. no woman had to march to get the right to vote. but lastly, just the religious side. —— those women. i was reading and kept thinking about how i was a little embarrassed because when i heard that george, at this point of suffering and brutal attack, called for mama. i said to the attorney crump, i want to talk to his mother. he said his mother had passed. isaid his to his mother. he said his mother had passed. i said his mother passed? but had passed. i said his mot

joining us is michael eric dyson, professor of sociologist at georgetown university. and author of "tears we cannot stop." a sermon to white america. michael, it is really great to have you. i know you're one of the people that has said that you need to get loud. you need to get angry. you need to get disruptive in order for people to pay attention. >> -- >> unfortunately -- michael, your audio is just not working for us right now. we're going to try and re-establish and make it so that we can hear you more clearly because this is an important topic. and, chuck, it is one that a lot of people have brought up. there have been so many incidents over the years and there have been peaceful protests. we've seen, you know, knees taken at the nfl. we've seen knees taken across the country. peacefully protesting violence. the death of black men or -- at the hands of cops and it's still happening. >> we're going to sneak in a break a little bit earlier. get it quicker and get michael eric dyson back with us on the other side. >>> plus, we'll check in on minneapolis and an upda

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michael eric dyson from georgetown university and author of "tears we cannot stop, a sermon to white america." professor, good to see you as well. >> great. good to see you as well. >> there's a shift in momentum. surging sales, banning the confederate flag. how do you see what's happening here right now? >> i think it's a salutary vempt. it's tragic it took this kind of horror and terror that black america has shared for it finally to be home that we are suffering and enduring issues. there seems to be a significant and substantial shift in understanding about race and an eagerness in the curiosity that is genuine so those developments are good. >> torii hunter said i've been called the "n" word 100 times from little kids and grownups next to them. if you doubt him, take it from us, it happens. last year there were seven reported incidents at fenway park where fans used racial slurs. those are just the ones we know about. it's easy to take one or two altitudes. the first is why wasn't something done before now? you can look at this as what is the start of a difficult reckoning for p

i want -- one of the greatest thinkers of our time, michael dyson. we need to break down -- ya'll don't know what time it is. you're operating like it's yesterday. the reason ya'll are late catching up to what these protests means is because you didn't turn your clock forward. talking about make america great. great for who and great when? we're going to make america great for everybody for the first time. never was great for blacks? never was great for latinos? it wasn't never great for others. what great for women? women had to march to get the right to but lastly is the reli side. i was reading and kept thinking about how i was a little embarrassed because when i heard that george at this point of suffering, this brutal attack called for his momma. i said to attorney crump, i said i appreciate talking to his brothers and them on the phone, but i want to talk to his mother. he said his mother passed. i said his mother passed? but he was calling for his mother. i thought about it. i was raised by a single mother. sometimes the only thing between us

and michael eric dyson you all know what time it is you are operating like it yesterday.e because you didn't turn your clocks forward. talk about make america great. great for who and when? we want to make america great for everybody for the first time. [applause] thing was great for blacks or latinos or others are women. women had to march to get the right to vote.e but then the religious side. and then thinking how i was a little embarrassed if at this point a the suffering this brutal attack but he said his mother passed. but he was calling for his mother. i thought about it because i was raised by a single mother. osometimes the only thing between us and our condition was our mother the only thing that we would take danger away the only one to make sure the food was on the table was our mother i know why he was calling for mama. but then i got that own place in my mind i realized i was calling and my mother died eight years ago but i still try to talk to her. just dial the cell phone to hear the voicemail. i still want to reach out to mama. one of his five children qu

joining us is michael eric dyson, professor of sociology and author of "tears we cannot stop, a sermono white america." michael, i'm so happy we can have you back on. apologies again for the audio issues we had the other day. i just want you to tell me how you're feeling and what you're thinking today. >> it's devastating to be a black person in america, james baldwin said, is to be in a nearly unending state of rage to paraphrase him. and the rage grows from the inability of many of our white brothers and sisters to understand where we are. to put themselves in our existential shoes and to understand how time and again with the murder of black people, with the hunting down of black people by white vigilantes, with policemen disregarding the pleas of a black man to breathe, treating him like an animal. why we feel, and it is not hyperbollic, that this country not only does not care but treats us less than human as a matter of fact. and so when we hear these statements, the f'ing "n" word that was allegedly, supposedly uttered after the death of arbery. when we see a policeman look into

that is why i wanted them to help lead this and one of the greatest of our time, doctor michael eric dysonou know you are operating like it's yesterday and the reason that you are late catching up to what these protests mean is because you didn't turn your clocks forward. talking about making america great. great for whom and agreed when? we will make it great for everybody for the first time. [applause] it never was great for blacks or latinos or others. women had to march to get the right to vote. but last, the religious side. i was reading and kept thinking about how i was a little embarrassed because when i heard george at this point in this brutal attack called for his mama. i appreciate talking to his brothers and him on the phone, but he said his mother passed. i said his mother passed, but he was calling for his mother. and i thought about it because i was raised by a single mother and sometimes the only thing between us and our condition is our mother. sometimes the only thing we have that would take danger away is our mother. the only ones that would make sure the food is on the

on the very seriousness of this as well as your understandably beloved rhetoric, when michael eric dysonxing metaphors, we call that a remix. good to see you sir. >> i love you. you're the best dj ever. >> good to see you. that does do our time, both for the professor, all our great guests. we appreciate it, and our nbc reporters. i'll be back at 6:00 p.m. eastern if you're around. keep it here for katy tur next. t >>> good afternoon. i'm katy tur. it's 11:00 a.m. oust west and 2:00 p.m. here in the east. here are the facts as we know them this hour. the w.h.o. is sending a team to wuhan, china, to investigate the origins of the covid-19 pandemic. the organization said it can better understand how to fight the virus with a full grasp of where it came from. the city of jacksonville, florida, home to the republican convention in august, is making mask wearing mandatory in public and indoor situations. the city has not yet addressed whether attendees of the convention will be required to wear them. >> in texas, the houston methodist hospital is reporting that 60% of its covid-19 patients in

eric michael dyson. we need to break down. y'all want to know what time is. y'all are operating like it's yesterday. and the reason y'all late catching up to what these protest means is because you didn't turn your clock forward. talk about make america great. great for who and great when? we're going to make america great for everybody for the first time. [ applause ] never was great for blacks. never was great for latinos. it wasn't ever great for others. it wasn't great for women. your women had to march to get the right to vote. but lastly is the religious side. i was reading and kept thinking about how i was a little embarrassed because when i heard that george, at this point of suffering this brutal attack called for his momma. i said to attorney crump, i said i appreciate -- but i want to talk to his mother. he said his mother passed. i said his mother passed? but he was calling for his mother. and i thought about it, because i was raised by a single mother. sometimes the only thing between us and our conditions was our mothers. sometimes the only thin

there is this wonderful correspondents, and you have a dyson, between lisa catherine and the grim key sisters, angelina and sarah. they were pioneering feminists, abolitionists, activists of their. day and i think she comes probably as close there as anywhere else to spelling out and evolving scents on women's roles. >> and this is an interesting time, her mother in law had passed as you said, but we think of abigail adams and her favorite exhortation to john, remember the ladies. it's written that abigail's letters were becoming more visible, more published, and louisiana began to see an affinity between her mother-in-law and herself on the women's issues. >> toward the end of louise as life, when she is corresponding with sara grumpy, there is the sense that she seeks inequality of the mind for women, but not so that women can run for office, it's not that type of feminism. it's not that women can play the front role. it's so that women can better fulfill their primary function as mother, wife and daughter. and that they had this god gavin, this is where her religion comes in, that

things they've done that's most interesting to me is jeff was succeeded with another leader, william dysone transition was as smooth as i had ever seen. they've done a phenomenal job. kwame is set to take over july 1st. we will have had three generations of african-american leading the harlem children's zone which if you look at them, it's probably the most successful intervention in the space in the country. >> we want it to be scaleable. that's the question here kwame, the national collective consciousness is primed to act right now. it's time to act this is when, you know, consciousness has been raised to the point where it's not going to be let's go back to normal. is that going to be part of your mission? it has moved to more than just harlem, this whole concept, but it would be a huge undertaking to do it in every neighborhood that needs it. very expensive so is that -- you're a young guy. you had some time on wall street, then got an mba from harvard. you're probably the guy to do it is it going to be focused where you are or scaleable >> the harlem children's zone is absolutely sca