you bring up eleanor. ou were asked on twitter did eleanor enjoy being the first lady. one.t: a big she enjoyed -- when she got to the white house, she was not happy. she would be afraid she would be imprisoned there and be a sort of an endlessly serving tease. she served a lot of teas, over years. but she soon realized that there power in that unofficial use.tion that she could she was a relentless advocate of all kinds auses of from civil war -- a civil rights women's rights, economic help for the poor. refugee, so on. her husband's liberal conscious of that job something that was altogether new. just as every new president is measured against franklin roosevelt, that happen.es to everybody's first 100 days are his.ured against every first lady finds herself confronted with the memory of ranklin roosevelt host: peter, you're on with ken burns and jeffrey ward. caller: yes, mr. burns, can you influencew much of an george frederick hagel had on teddy and also on roosevelt and fdr? thank you. i know a little bit about hagel only in that his purportedlydent was a man name

and a little bit less on eleanor. no one has put it together as the complicated family drama that it is. i guess this has to do with the fact that in that superficial theodore andok at say republican and we look at franklin and eleanor and say democrat, and we think we can segregate them into their own silos.ual it is interesting as individuals, and certainly franklin and eleanor as a pair, is exponentially more interesting if you have the opportunity to get to know them concert. and that's what we've tried to do. it is a complicated, russian novel of a story that has not only these three primary but dozens of secondary and tertiary characters. and of course, a world that they compelled and a world that compelled them, that is, dealing 19th century, coming out of the civil war, the of monopoliese and trust, the roaring 20's, and age, the second world war, and the cold war, from when theodore roosevelt was born in 1858, when our series began, to when eleanor dies in 1962, when our series ends this coming dealing night,

roosevelt but also about eleanor roosevelt. who is a figure as remarkable in history as perhaps her husband. let's just talk about the similarities between teddy and franklin and connection there. let's just run this clip. >> they belonged to different parties. they over came different obstacles. they had different temperments and styles of leadership. but it was the similarities and not the differences between the two that meant the most to history. both were children of privilege who came to see themselves as champions of the working man. and earned the undying emnity of many of those who had grown to manhood they shared a sense of stewardship of the american land. and unfamed love for people and politics. and firm belief that the united states had an important role to play in the wider world. >> schieffer: doris, the thing that struck me over and over again, we find the same thing with eleanor roosevelt. these were rich people. these were rich boys and she, of course, she was came from family of means. but what was it that c

but eleanor is the niece of theodore. that means that theodore's brother elliott is eleanor's father and theodore is of course the great president and his brother elliott died of alcoholism and of mental illness and orphaned eleanor by the time she was age 10. that is how they are related in theodore always felt a special kinship with eleanor. she was his favorite niece and that's the relationship there. >> host: franklin new hampshire line for independents. you are on with mr. burns and mr. ward. >> caller: good morning gentlemen. first off putting a face to the team and seeing mr. burns all the time. you gentlemen have done fantastic work over the years. i'm not a big reader but i sit around the boob tube all day long. you have given me more information and stuff over the years than i can count. please continue to do so and no matter what your format is i will continue to watch you in any way i can. thank you. >> guest: thank you very much. >> host: mr. ward he talked about putting a face to the work. how many of the fi

and no one more so than eleanor. liberated from having constituencies as her favorite uncle and her husband did, she could see all the coming issues of race, and of poverty, of women, of children, of labor, about silly everything that is on the front page of our discussions today. she was right on every single one of those issues, a testament indeed to the human spirit. so these are our free roosevelt, flawed, wonderful, deeply wounded, who all basically reduced their philosophy into one spectacularly simple equation. we all do well when we all do well. it is very fashionable today, ladies and gentlemen, to blame the united states government on absolutely everything. it has now some of become something other. but we are only to blame, either by not voting or by voting for the wrong people, or however that government is. and if you don't like it, stop bitching and moaning and complaining and do something about it. that's what the roosevelt did. and theodore roosevelt said, the government is us. you and me. thank you.

between x-men and eleanor rigby.you want to do both of them or this is where you are headed question mark >> i like to do both. i like the collaboration on small films. there is less hanging around. but i like the closeness that you have with the camera crew and the collaboration. there is more technical ins and outs. movie, it's a very close family thing. you can comedic caper he don't get me wrong. i love being in big movies. it's good fun. the fact that we on purpose tried to make an audience hate the character, and then spend to real-time back and make them feel for the character. why the finger for liking them. when he sees the ultimate punishment, we are looking to feel again. so yes. much as a film about crazy humor, significant mental illness. i've watched films about mental illness. they are quite realistic. this was a serial a stick -- surrealistic version. here, not so much. >> you have how many films coming out? >> if you count eleanor rigby as him and her, then one in, and december. me when they offered

in her i was playing eleanor rigby and him i was playing connor's perception of eleanor rigby. was really fun experiment in acting because i would do things that would help further his story. make her more of a mystery, more inaccessible, maybe slightly colder. things that perhaps if you saw him and hadn't seen her version yet you might think like oh eleanor's a terrible person. >> rose: we've had lots of clips here to make sense of this. the first one is from them. this is where you and connor when they are in your words some place good. here it is. >> where are you going. >> here. are you coming? >> yeah. >> rose: this is not the first time this has been done in films, is it. this idea of two characters, a character from two different perspectives. >> no. i think rashman did it, divorce his, divorce hers with richard burton and elizabeth taylor. it just came from this organic place. character. >> not even that. it just seemed like appropriate for what we were trying to do. >> i think also in the movie theatre when this conversation came to be was the size of our fathers and t

and franklin and eleanor, a little bit less on eleanor but no one has put it together as the complicated, family drama that it is. i guess this has to do with the fact that in that superficial glance, we look at theodore and say republican and look at franklin and eleanor say democrat and we think that we can segregate them in their own individual silos. it is interesting as individuals and certainly franklin and eleanor as a pair, it is exponentially more interesting, if you have the opportunity to get to know them in concert and that's what we tried to do. it is a complicated, russian novel of a story that has not only these three primary characters but dozens of secondary and tertiary characters and of course a world that they compelled and a world that compelled them that is dealing with the late 19th century, coming out of the civil war, the guilded age, the age of monopolies and trust, world war i and roaring '20s and jazz age, great depression, second world war, greatest cataclysm in human history and the cold war when theodore roosevelt was born in 1858 when our series began to w

and a little bit less on eleanor. no one has put it together as the complicated family drama that it is. i guess this has to do with the fact that in that superficial theodore andok at say republican and we look at franklin and eleanor and say democrat, and we think we can segregate them into their own silos.ual it is interesting as individuals, and certainly franklin and eleanor as a pair, is exponentially more interesting if you have the opportunity to get to know them concert. and that's what we've tried to do. it is a complicated, russian novel of a story that has not only these three primary but dozens of secondary and tertiary characters. and of course, a world that they compelled and a world that compelled them, that is, dealing 19th century, coming out of the civil war, the of monopoliese and trust, the roaring 20's, and age, the second world war, and the cold war, from when theodore roosevelt was born in 1858, when our series began, to when eleanor dies in 1962, when our series ends this coming dealing night,

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and franklin and eleanor and little bit less on eleanor. but no one has put it together as the complicated family drama that it is. i guess this has to do with the fact that in that superficial glance we look at theodore and say republican and we look at franklin and eleanor and say democrat and we think that we can segregate them in their own individual silos. it is interesting as individuals and certainly franklin and eleanor as a pair, it is exponentially more interesting if you have the opportunity to get to know them in concert. and that's what we've tried to do. it is a complicated russian novel of a story that has not only these three primary characters but dozens of secondary and tirs yar characters and of course a world they compelled and a world that compelled them that is dealing with the late 19th century coming out of the civil war, the guilded age, the age of monopolies and trusts, world war i, the roaring 20s and jazz age, the great depression, the second world war, the greatest cataclysm in human history. and the cold war fr

i want to talk about this movie, "the disappearance of eleanor rigby."t, what, tomorrow? >> this weekend, new york, l.a. >> jimmy: it's coming out in new york, l.a. >> so we made "disappearance of eleanor rigby," love story. one from the male point of view, one from the female point of view, three hours 15 long, comes out october 10th. >> jimmy: okay. >> for those of you who don't want to spend three hours in the movie theater, we have a a combined version called "disapperance of eleanor rigby: them" opening this weekend in new york, l.a., next week, all over. >> jimmy: now, and it's a very tricky movie, very tricky to describe that. [ laughter ] but very tricky movie, because it is about a couple something happens. you don't really know what happened to them. something went wrong. >> yeah. >> jimmy: and you don't find out till -- i don't want to spoil it but i was like, i was very - - wow, moving, something happened. yeah. [ laughter ] >> yep. they are dealing with -- it's an adult love story, so they are dealing with the problems, they met in college a

. >>> are prime minister cameron's extraordinary measures warranted eleanor? what do you think of his ideas? >> i think the measures he has put in place are warranted and because isis is a more immediate and direct threat to europe than to our homeland, i think he has taken appropriate action. but i want to follow-up on what pat said. nato, i mean, as awful as isis is, this is an opportunity for nato to redefine itself. for president obama to chart a course and bring renewed purpose for the rest of his presidency and put policies in place that will leave his successor a better hand than he was dealt when he came to office. the president will go to congress. the congress is lining up quite nicely, you have senator inhoff, the chairman of the armed services committee basically saying republicans would be supportive of an authorization of paper position or resolution whatever it is called to go into syria. but if they do, and that is by no means guaranteed, you go in with the kind of coalition that george h.w. bush assembled back in the day. the first president b

theodore, franklin and eleanor, that's so interesting to watch.nklin was so opaque and so devious and manipulative. eleanor could be at times frustratingly naive and just sort of certain about things and tr's unstable in many ways, loves war, pushes his son close to war with the most horrible, tragic consequences in world war one, and yet each one of them on balance made an extraordinary positive contribution. i think the lesson for us today is stop being so absolute. let's not be the moralist, but let's be able to hold intention, a person's strength and their weaknesses and make a much more sophisticated judgment or come to a much more sophisticated understanding of who our leaders are and what they're capable of. and then the roosevelts, all the good things they did do, they'll have didn't a second thing, which is remind us about what human beings are really like. >> a final thought on yourself as a filmmaker. all of your 26 documentaries have dealt with american culture, american themes. why is that? what is it about the american saga that so f

[applause] will he last eleanor roosevelt?>> i think what i would ask eleanor is in fact it happened when i was working on the book, there were so many times when i felt there were such between eleanor and franklin and yet such hurt because he had had an affair so many years before. i would ask her again, just forget that affair. i know he loves you. i would talk to her when i was writing the book until i remember you are so much better than any of these other women in his life. just absorb the fact that you are eleanor is closer to him because he was lonely in those years and there was still a resent and understandably they separated them from their beds from each other, but made them incredible partners. i would try and tell her i know him and i know he wants to be with you more and if you could stay home a little more i think it would be good. [laughter] so if you hadn't been a presidential scholar, you would have been a marriage counselor. what about teddy roosevelt quite >> these are great questions. out of about teddy, w

fdr was not as idealistic as eleanor roosevelt.anor roosevelt was not as good a politician as franklin roosevelt. they represented both the better angels of our nature and a sense of how to get it done. >> whatever their flaws, all three roosevelts shared an unshakable belief that government could be a force for good and benefit future generations. least theyope at would give us the benefit of the doubt. >> a century later, history has been kind to swashbuckling teddy, who did a lot to protect america's wildlife and wilderness. roosevelts are often admired and refiled in equal measure. but this document makes clear there intention. >> their legacy is concerned for the less fortunate. it says that these three people would have dedicated their entire professional lives to making the lives of people less fortunate than them better. their achievements are still debated, the roosevelts remained one of america's most fascinating and influential political families. jane o'brien, bbc news, washington. before we go, you may think the whole

. >> eleanor?> well the air strikes can brush back, they are brushing back isil and they are necessary, because you can't just let isil continue to take ground at-will. they have already got like a third of iraq and a safe harbor from syria, so i think the air strikes are appropriate both in iraq and syria and i think the weak link, as pat says, is ground troops and who is going to commit ground troops and the $500 million to train syrian fighters, the so-called moderates, that is going to take awhile anyway. but the president is doing the right thing. because this is really more it is their fight. these countries over there are much more on the line than the u.s. is and the coalition he put together with the five monday ark can is that stretch from jordan to saudi arabia is pretty impressive. whether you have a female fighter pilot leading the battle for the united arab emirates, a forward thinking company, this is looking at the future that has to come together. they have got to protect their gov

you had me at eleanor. thank you. i'm there.h you. >> thank you, it's great to be with you. >> you too. >>> and speaking of teddy roosevelt, he famously became the inspiration for the teddy bear. so how about this fun bear video to end your week. i've been watching it since yesterday. this unexpected visitor making his way on to a putting green but instead of taking the putt he went after the flag on the pin instead. he couldn't quite grab it so he ended up going after the ball instead. you've heard of birdies but never bears on the golf course. t thing i need. seriously? let's take this puppy over to midas and get you some of the good 'ol midas touch. hey you know what? i'll drive! i really didn't think this through. brakes, tires, oil, everything. (whistling) there was no question she reminds you every day. but your erectile dysfunction-that could be a question of blood flow. cialis for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment is right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is also t

she said a private letters to eleanor roosevelt. it is her who got the job with hopkins.hose letters by the way our emotional and pull detail about how americans were in during the catastrophe. taken together they formed a record of how ordinary americans experience of the depression. with her reporting of these accounts in the places she visited letters and diary entries and memoirs seven fought -- items such as meals. and also saw with my own eyes said territory that was covered i recreated several of her trips balding as close as i could through kentucky coal country in upstate new york, northern maine and the border region minnesota in the accord -- the code is purple i was struck out a small-town main street changed a lot especially in the dakotas. and along the back roads is of a reminder of this mountainous terrain. but all of those looking to resettle even in south dakota to of the top five. [laughter] that surprised you as much as me. i am not sure what it is. north dakota produces 1 million barrels of oil per day now. but in the thirties it was the hardest press

>> well, eleanor was bernie's secretary for 25 years. it was his second job. she was a single mum, worked as a bank teller. we met her after bernie's arrest. she didn't know anything and began to work with the fbi. we thought it was a unique perspective. >> did you wonder if she couldn't have known. >> before i met her, of course, that's the first question. everybody does thing that before they meet her. when you sit with her, spend a few minute, you get the feeling she didn't know, it's an ordinary common caught in extraordinary circumstances. >> what was it in putting this together that jumped out at you that wow, i can't believe this happened or that happened? >> that feeling with had, during the whole course of the movie. it's so intricate and complex. everybody looks at the scalp of bernie madoff, thinking that he's the criminal, and that is that. there were so many people involved in the scam, all over the world - banks, politicians, all kinds of people. >> there's $65 billion in the united states, but the price of bernie madoff's ponzi scheme could rise

announcer: eleanor.ld go where her husband could not, redefining the role of first lady and inspiring millions. man: eleanor roosevelt is a sort of miracle of the human spirit. there are so many times in her life

>> i think for eleanor, it was important. she was in the process of discovery. she didn't - in the end she didn't know the man, the business she worked for. she felt guilt for being there. for her it was a way to document the process, as she found out the truth, as she was involved. that's what her mission has been about in helping the fbi and authorities. >> let me show a little of the documentary. >> sure. >> movie reel: it turns out bernie had the entire place designed from scratch to his exact specifications. on the 18th and 19th floors he had a legit trading firm covering up the illegal advisory business on the 17th floor. the 17th floor was where money went to disappear. >> but she didn't know? >> no. >> she knew there was something else going on, but didn't know what? >> no, actually, there was an advisory business on the 17th floor. >> right. >> everybody in the organization believed in this was, you know, where bernie managed the money of friends and family, he wasn't registered with the f.c.c. as a brokered dealer. from their perspective he cannot have

eleanor?> well, this general from this arm chair sees it a little differently. first of all, the republicans are getting on board. secondly, this is not a conventional war. this is not another iraq or afghanistan. this is a counterterrorism effort. and yes, it will continue into the indefinite future. the president is putting together a coalition, not the usual suspects. he's brought in other arab countries, brought in sunni countries, so this isn't america going in there waging a one-sided war, religious war. the no boots on the ground, you can't win if you don't put boots on the ground, but they are not going to be american boots because we don't want to be seen as another occupying force. the pashmyrga has managed to take back the mosul dam and territory in iraq. turkey may not be out there helping openly, but there is some de facto cooperation. 49 of their diplomats and diplomatic personnel have been taken by isis. >> how about syria? >> syria, you're not -- you're not going to work with a

rigby. >> reporter: disappearance of eleanore rigby begins like a classic romance. in new york city, jessica chas tane and james mcinvoice mcinvoice -- mca invoice are in love. they maryann begin a life together but tragedy throws them off course. chas tane plays the part of he will inner and say role posed difficult questions about the nature of love. >> when you love someone so much that you don't know how to communicate that or fix them. can you love someone enough to trust them to walk away. >> reporter: after suffering a terrible loss, eleanore does walk away, trying to erase her old life. >> i need to try some other version of myself. >> reporter: her husband is left to pick up pieces of their marriage. >> i have no clue where she has gone. >> reporter: film explores how tragedy can turn lovers into strangers and whether it is possible for two broken individuals to come back together. >> how can you change the couple in some people, and it is just really hard to not believe that love endures then. >> reporter: it was difficult, emotional terrain but with happy

it's all about teddy, franklin and eleanor and premieres this sunday. plus, hillary clinton heads to iowa. her first time back since her bitter defeat in the iowa caucuses. will she practicing to the right or play to iowa's anti-war base? >>> and the battle against isis. we'll be joined by seth molten and anti-war veteran who did four tours of duty in iraq and just this weekend, this week actually defeated sitting u.s. congressman john tierney in the democratic primary up there in massachusetts. >>> finally let me finish with the very democratic notion that dynasties make no sense whatever. this is "hardball." the place for politics. musical chairs. fun, right? welllllllll, not when your travel rewards card makes it so hard to get a seat using your miles. that's their game. the flights you want are blacked out. or they ask for some ridiculous number of miles. honestly, it's time to switch to the venture card from capital one. with venture, use your miles on any airline, any flight, any time. no blackout dates. and with every purchase, you'll earn unlimi

the next day, august 24th, we have a letter from eleanor young jones.she was the wife of the secretary of the navy, william jones. she wrote excusing herself from the dinner that day at the president's house. jones admitted her fears in the, quote, present state of alarm, but following social protocol, menned she imagined, quote, it will be mutually convenient to disspend of your hospitality and pray you to admit this as an excuse. it's probably the only thing we know about that dinner. she was waiting to hear from dolly's sister, anna payne cuts. anna payne cuts was also in washington. she wrote a quick message. it was undated but probably also composed on august 24th and her tone was frantic. quote, tell me, for god's sake where you are and what you are going to do, she dispaired. quote, we could hear nutting but what is horrible. i know not who to send this to and will say but little. soon afterwards, william jones, we identify as the husband of eleanor young jones, also secretary of the navy wrote a memo outlining his actions on the 24th. presumably

hopkins was a friend of both franklin roosevelt and eleanor. valerie jarrett is best friends with both michelle obama and barack obama and she lives in the white house. by that i mean she literally has a suite of rooms that she occupied permanently in the white house. she has the secret service detail. she eats with the president at the first lady every night that they are in the white house. she goes on vacations with them. she goes to whatever meeting she wants to attend. and she carries the president's message to the cabinet ministers and other people in the administration. there has been no one since harry hopkins way back in the 40s and has this kind of power. >> host: and you write saying she watched over him and made him feel safe. she was the special charge. she focused on him and devoted to the life to him and gave the kind of unconditional love that he never received from his mother who frequently abandoned him as a child. >> guest: there've been several biographies and a lot of speculation about the fact that his mother wasn't around

and eleanor has this horrible childhood. both parents are gone by the time she's ten.ve relatives that it was too, a an becausive nurse an two alcoholic uncles. and she is a fearful person who decides to wake up every day. every single day of her life and face the fear. >> right. >> and we see an amazing amazing thing. >> i think the lesson here is relatively clear in that we have been treating our children too well. >> yes. exactly. >> and that if we want greatness. >> we need to have tragedy. >> we need to abandon. >> and corporal punishment. >> will you stick around. we'll talk a little more about the breadth of project and how you went about creating. because it s i mean it's magnificent. it's already running now on pbs. >> started last night. >> bigger ratings than anything but football. and i think you're going to fake football. 7 part roosevelt series, it's running at 8:00 p.m. on pbs each night this week through saturday. and the book is called the roosevelt, an intimate history on the book shelves now as well. now as well. ken burns, everybody. i think cam new

. >> and eleanor roosevelt fascinates us all.nded and paul does t.r. and ed herman does fdr. we've got this little known actor meryl streep to play i think she's going places. >> eleanor i have to say this. she was so amazing that she says do one thing every day that scares you. >> yeah. >> i think that is such a good philosophy. >> she moved to it. she is a many ircall of the human spirit. you shouldn't have escaped this terrible childhood, orphaned at age 10. a mother before that who beauty that was displeased with her looks and called her granny. her own mother called her granny. her father was an alcoholic and all died early. she had the worst childhood and fwam most conversations subsequent shul subsequential first lady and american woman. franklin and theodore and escaping the asthma of his childhood and his emotional stuff. >> how about the biographer who says, exceptional presidents are the exception. and both of these men were exceptional with a capital "e". >> underscore that. written so well about theodore roosevelt an

announcer: while eleanor and franklin were rocked by betrayal. man: eleanor roosevelt never forgave or forgot what he had done. announcer: and now part 4 of "the roosevelts: an intimate history." announcer: funding for this program was provided by members of the better angels society, a nonprofit organization dedicated to educating americans about their history through documentary film. members include... additional funding was provided by the arthur vining davis foundations,

. >> we spent a lot of time -- >> i think eleanor is absolutely right there. 's a lot of concern. these individuals will come back with 500 members of the isis. to return to live in. they've learned from the group in terms of operational security. they will be able to stay under the radar. people have to remember m i-5, the british domestic intelligence service, they have people they're already following. their concern is these people will come back and they won't be able to monitor the degree they need to and they will commit atrocities. >> atrocities in england. >> but potentially -- one of the greatest concerns is you may see a replication of the 2006 transatlantic plot where they planned to travel on the american airlines on those planes and -- >> what do you think, nullify the passports of these people? >> well, i don't know what the specific measures r but one of the things we have to do is find a way to keep them out of both england and, frankly, the united states. but this is the kind of threat that we're now facing, and it's going to be a very serious thing. it's going to

. >> eleanor. >> the united states military is uniquely capable of dealing with this. they have the resources. they can set up military tents and hospitals. they know how to quarantine the population. this is an appropriate use of the military. and better to send 3,000 soldiers to west africa than having to deploy, probably 200,000 national guard in this country if that epidemic reached our shores. and it is totally possible that it can, this is the first time this disease has had an outbreak in urban areas. it's a three week gestation period. people get on planes, they travel. we have a global, mobile society. so the president is acting in the hope that they can put a cap on the spread of this disease so this is entirely appropriate and an excellent use of the u.s. military. humanitarian. >> the u.s. military is not equipped to do highly contagious handle. highly contagious outbreaks. that's what this is. >> our military is equipped to handle nerve gas, viral biochemical gas. >> biological warfare is what we have here. never handled that before. >> they have had to ha

it tells the story of theodore, his cousin franklin and eleanor, his niece.came different obstacles, they had different temperaments and styles of leadership, but it was the similarities and not the differences between the two that meant the most to history. both were children of privilege who came to see themselves as champions of the working man and earned the undying enmity of many those among whom they'd grown to manhood. they shared a sense of stewardship of the american lan, an unfamed love for people and politics, and a firm believe that the united states had an important role to play in the wider world. >> ken burn joins us at the table. welcome back to studio 57. >> thank you charksly. >> this is historic. it's like a wall to wall on public television. >> it is. they're going to dedicate an entire week of prime time. i don't think it's happened in broadcast television. >> what's interesting about it? >> it's a family drama. an american "downton abbey" that is true. strangely enough we've segregated these people. sometimes we put franklin and eleanor