[laughter] >> i have a circle of friends are crazy about eleanor roosevelt, try to imagine lots of aspects. >> i'm crazy about her, to. >> in the new show in the museum by posing half of it but i'm delighted by the fact somewhere it says fdr under beautiful. >> yes, she's gorgeous. i mean, look at this. does this woman look ugly to you? going there and look at our wedding picture. look at her high school portrait. i mean, this woman had strawberry blonde, reddish hair, piercing blue eyes and ugly teeth, okay? and, you know, we do so much in this country to physically disparage people, whether they are female or male, if we don't like them. they've got their debts, they are bald, we don't like their glasses, we don't like their lipstick, we don't like the clothes they wear. i mean, we've got to be able to go back to that old adage of judging a person by the content of their character. eleanor did magazine spreads for "vogue." i mean, you know, do i hate the hairnet? yes, i hate the hairnet. arthur ground rules for all the pictures i did on eleanor? no hairnet pictures. but that doesn't mean

and the star was eleanor roosevelt. so eleanor continued to help theremin and thurmond was less needy perhaps then rudy black and got help from eleanor but not in such an -- after eleanor left washington, following franklin's death in 1945, must be remembered. i have here at lenore's earnings in the white house years. this is based on study of income tax returns available in the hyde park library and it showed from the years 1937 to 1939 she averaged annual earnings of $62,000, a lot of money in those days, 68,000 before expenses. and they never wrote about eleanor. and enhance yourself. they covered up that kind of thing because they did feel somewhat grateful to her for allowing them to come to the white house every week. it was made craig, the one wy c first asked men be allowed in the pushed for the civil-rights activist for end to sex discrimination and forced news organizations to hire women on an equitable basis. in 1964, 81-year-old howard w. smith, a conservative virginia congressman, major civil rights legislat

in some ways, i like eleanor roosevelt. can you imagine a modern first lady having a daily newspaper column, a weekly radio show, which is you pointed out the audiences than the famous fire side chats. remarkably did not wear out her welcome. fdr had a keen sense of the danger of over exposure. then jump ahead 30 years. could a mod -- modern first lady say what betty ford said in 1975, would the political advisor, the spin doctors and media handlers will they stand for it? >> well, i don't think they stood for it when mrs. ford said it. >> except it was already said. >> i think they could. i think it depends upon what the circumstances are and what the issues are. i hope they would take courage from betty ford. i hope they would take courage from eleanor roosevelt. i hope they will take courage from laura bush. i hope they take courage from hillary clinton. i hope they will take courage from mary todd lincoln who was not crazy. >> but she was damn difficult. >> i don't care. wait! i don't care difficult is not crazy. >> tha

is there anything -- franklin and eleanor roosevelt. >> i think the doris kearns goodwin took -- book is very telling. it is wonderfully documented. i come away from it feeling like they were ships passing in the night. there would be times when he would reach out to her, and she was unavailable to him, and times when she would reach out to him, and he was unavailable to her. it was a complicated relationship, to put it mildly. politically, i agree completely. i think there are times when she was out there beyond where he wanted her to be, but she had passionate views. beyond her advocacy, she also very much -- he was very clear on this -- served as his eyes and ears. she could be out there, and he could not. that was a very useful role. >> when you talk about women in the white house, sometimes, you're talking about other women the doris kearns goodwin book -- you say, well the president and unburden himself to their spouses and share secrets -- not all secrets apparently. any observations on that? >> on the other woman? she should go away. [laughter] >> i was going to add one thing

i did not explore eleanor roosevelt's role in this book. i mention her several times. hair relationship was really after pearl harbor. my book ends with pearl harbor. i talk about what happened briefly to everyone and it stops at pearl harbor. second question, very good question, what role did germany have in the hole isolationist movement. almost none. the germans were very aware that even though the country was isolationist early on, most americans were very anti german, very anti nazi and they knew the more overt help they gave, it would backfire. so they tried very hard to stay out of the public eye in terms of isolationists. they obviously were pulling for the isolationists because they wanted to stay out of the war but everytime they tried to do something it backfired. they had one of the most inept organizations, the british were incredibly good at what they were doing, spying, sabotaging, etc. they also sent agents to the u.s. but inevitably they would be caught and the germans sent cable after cable saying you have done it again. these guys keep getting arrest

by the way, i would roosevelt -- eleanor roosevelt went through a similar learning curve. eleanor roosevelt, the sanctity thator, was pilloried for and was forced to give up the job. a similaragain had mistake. she, too, as hillary, was forced role inze that her roosevelt's presidency was as the unofficial moral center of the administration. in the white house, the president and first lady are equal for the first time he does the first lady is as prestigious and as revered a title as the president. we have as many stories of the first lady as we do of the president. like it or not, the president has to accept his wife's stature. jackie kennedy -- jack kennedy was a macho man. he was startled by the impact of wife, she was -- 31. suddenly wanted to be jackie. they started dressing like jackie. everybody started learning french. john glenn was able bureau -- folk hero. waterne started taking up skiing some, to the apparel. peril.r john kennedy had a steep learning curve. do a big feature him and asked to speak to jackie. president kennedy was dismissive of that. by the time

i love eleanor roosevelt, everybody clear on that? i want the world to know what laura bush is doing with the red ribbon, pink ribbon program. as much as betty ford who was extraordinarily kind to me did for breast cancer. pat far is saving lives in ways that we cannot possibly imagine. there are millions and millions and millions of lives saved because of the emergency plan for aid relief in africa. i will go to my grave believing that laura bush was the soul behind it. i want you to hear me say i'm a hillary clinton democrat when i say that. >> allida i never would have guessed. nothing else, we learned there are many kind of influence as there are first ladies. myra, allida, thank you very uch. >> thanks guys. >> thank you. >> visit our website c-span.org/first ladies and follow us on twitter. starting next week, through august 26th, we show all the programs from the first season of first ladies influence and image. it starts next monday with a life and legacy of martha washington at 9:00 p.m. eastern ere on c-span. >> coming up on

as eleanor roosevelt revealed -- realize, being hostess had real aning and value. the white house has a significant form of hospitality to representatives for other countries, and the limits of allies a government. throughout presidential campaigns, fdr's campaign, mrs. roosevelt played a self-effacing role. she told reporter that it was proper that it -- that a candidate's wife beyond schedule, offer no opinions, remain under disturbing, limit personal appearances, and make sure the people can see him. she also knew the value of the good photograph. besides her involvement in the ewernmt, a the bureaucratic report that she involved yourself in during the depression, she also posed at a soup kitchen, dishing out sue. there is no question that the photo carried a strong message. houseoutside of the white that a first lady involved yourself in also began to take on political meeting. beth truman, after attending an event that she had been invited to, was criticized because by a congressman because the dar had a restrictive policy, and had not allowed his wife to play

created a word document and i took all the diaries and sources i could find in any reference from eleanor roosevelt and the usual suspects and i called the word document booze. i realized his drinking was just off the charts. from morning to night. wine and champagne. he brags he had a bottle of champagne with every meal for seven years. a dozen cigars per day and brandy at night and occasionally he got a little sloppy and brooks certainly mentions that in his diaries. he attended the horrible meeting with the pm today who apparently had a good lunch. [laughter] >> and a good wreck -fest. >> isenhour walked in on him one day and it was breakfast time and churchill was in bed with a bottle of white wine. churchill said i don't like powdered milk. [laughter] so he drank a lot but he wasn't a force yeltsin both in. it was something miraculous and i wonder if some reporter tried to do a story on that and thought while i will drink like churchill for a week or two and we'll see how it goes. not going to happen. >> yes, sir. [inaudible] to replicate mr. manchester style? >> no. in fact my editor and i ch

eleanor roosevelt, the sanctity eleanor, was pilloried for that and was forced to give up the job. she never again had a similar mistake. she, too, as hillary, was forced to realize that her role in roosevelt's presidency was as the unofficial moral center of the administration. in the white house, the president and first lady are equal for the first time he does the first lady is as prestigious and as revered a title as the president. we have as many stories of the first lady as we do of the president. like it or not, the president has to accept his wife's stature. jackie kennedy -- jack kennedy was a macho man. he was startled by the impact of his young life -- wife, she was 31. women suddenly wanted to be jackie. they started dressing like jackie. everybody started learning french. john glenn was able bureau -- folk hero. everyone started taking up water skiing some, to the apparel. -- thier peril. john kennedy had a steep learning curve. they can to do a big feature him and asked to speak to jackie. president kennedy was dismissive of that. by the time he reached the famous stat

>> eleanor roosevelt. she's in a league of her own.ident she's a child of eleanor roosevelt. broke out of the box, she stood on her own two feet and inspired women, minorities around the country, was brave. opened up a whole array of social issues to her husband and she's a powerhouse in her own right and lady bird johnson with her beautification campaign and billboards and clean air and water and rivers and going with steward udall and kind of making american beaufication such a principle part of her time. i'm also big on nancy reagan for helping ronald reagan so much. he was codependent on her. if she left for an hour he would mope waiting for her to come back. i missed you nancy. they were the great love story of presidents. >> isn't that something. it's a tough, tough job and your heart aches -- >> tough decision. >> so much. i mean, just a silent -- you got a sense that she wasn't even comfortable in the public spotlight and had to go through so much with her husband. >> these are people who -- two people who met each other right

eleanor roosevelt, different.ven to an extent, roslyn carter at the beginning of her, the carter administration, tried to get in on cabinet meetings, tried to be a little more active in policy. that didn't fly too well, either. >> we're looking at the former first ladies and the one that stands out because she may well be the future is hillary clinton there. joan, last question to you. what would be the role of a first -- what would we call them? first gentleman? >> first gentleman. first spouse. we might have to make a gender neutral for a while now that we're going to have women presidents, chris. you know, i think it would be different if it was bill clinton, i don't think it would be a quiet domestic role for sure. he would be an interesting person to start -- >> i don't think he'll limit himself to one issue. that was a joke. thank you, joan walsh and ron reagan. thanks, buddy. we'll be right back after this. >>> let me finish tonight with the life and career of william gray. he was elected u.s. congressman f

. >> you got to washington, eleanor roosevelt was first lady. >> she was my inspiration. >> boggs servedyears in congress. the first woman to chair a political convention, then ambassador to the vatican. >> what is it about john paul that makes him so accessible and inspiring to the younger generation? >> his total repoire with them. he believes in them. >> boggs retired in 1990. a washington fixture famous for her southern charm, she never forgot lessons learned in the louisiana she loved. >> i suppose all women, but mostly southern women do what they do when they have to do it. and you just don't think about whether you should be doing it or not if you're called upon to do something, you do it. >> what a lovely presence she was. our thoughts are with cokie and her family this morning. now we honor our fellow americans who serve and sacrifice. this week, the pentagon released the name of four soldiers killed in afghanistan. >>> and that is all for us today, thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news" with david muir tonight. i'll see you tomorrow on "gma." >>

as eleanor roosevelt soon realized, being hostess, she said had real meaning and value.the white house had a deep significance as a form of the people's hospitality to representatives of other countries and to add a sense of nership and to whom it symbolizes the government. interesting enough, throughout presidential campaigns, f.d.r.'s presidential campaigns, mrs. roosevelt played a very self-he facing role as she told a reporter, it was proper that a candidate's wife be on schedule, offer no personal opinions, remain undisturbed at commotion, limit personal appearances and lean back in an open car so the people can see him. she also knew the value of a good photograph. besides her involvement in the inutia of government and the bureaucratic reports, she also posed at a soup kitchen dishing out soup. there was no question that the notion of the good will photo carried a strong message by this time. events outside of the white house that a first lady involved herself in also began to taking on political meaning. best truman, after attending an event, a tea she had been e

is there anything -- franklin and eleanor roosevelt. >> i think the doris kearns goodwin took -- book is very telling. it is wonderfully documented. it feeling like they were ships passing in the night. there would be times when he would reach out to her, and she was unavailable to him, and when she would reach out to him, and he was unavailable to her. it was a complicated relationship, to put it mildly. politically, i agree completely. i think there are times when she was out there beyond where he wanted her to be, but she had passionate views. advocacy, she also very much -- he was very clear on this -- served as his eyes and ears. she could be out there, and he could not. role.as a very useful >> when you talk about women in the white house, sometimes, you're talking about other women -- the doris kearns goodwin book -- you say, well the president and unburden himself to their spouses and share secrets -- not all secrets apparently. that?servations on >> on the other woman? she should go away. [laughter] >> i was going to add one thing on eleanor and franklin when it comes to the

maybe eleanor roosevelt but certainly of a different age but they've seen her thrive and push through for a lot of young women hillary clinton, this is a woman that we've matured with. >> stephanie: well exactly. speaking of lack of journalism have you commented at all on broccoli gate. president obama tells kids his favorite fruit is broccoli. he must have been attacking george wh bush who hateed broccoli. i hate to tell people that i love broccoli. >> stephanie: me too. >> i think the people who hate is were kids whose mothers boiled it. if you steam it, it's really good. >> stephanie: president obama made an annual visit to healthy lunch hosted by first lady michelle obama. and he asked what his favorite food was his answer, broccoli. >> the idea that michelle obama would force children to come to the white house and eat with the president. the next thing you're going to tell me is that they had cameras there. >> stephanie: no surprisingly twitter erupted in mock scorn. broccoli cass soon trending full on, broccoli gate began to boil. >> what do they want him to say and take chris

you were like eleanor roosevelt or like bess truman. i was also struck by the naivete of news reports that projects surprise when a first lady had influence over her husband. i would have to guess that none of them were probably married who wrote that. in other cases they were actually outraged when a first lady might engage in politics. i think you'll hear from the very first martha washington, when you hear accounts of that every single one of them were engaged in politics. so it is a surprise to me, even though i witnessed it firsthand that the public might be surprised when a first lady takes on a public policy issue or champion a cause or maybe goes to a podium and speaks her opinion about something that's happening in the current affairs. because she wasn't elected, that's sometimes thought to be out of place. i think you're going to hear a different perspective from the four ladies we have here today. this afternoon's session, "a woman's touch, the role of the first lady" we are joined by a distinguished panel. i don't call them

leadershileadershi p is as crucial today as when eleanor roosevelt helped draft the universal declaration of human rights seven years ago. there is not genuine security or lasting peace in the absence of respect for human rights. recent history has shown us the apparent instability by progressive regimes is a loser and because of the sun this unsafe violate the rise of their citizens and fail to uphold obligations its rightful concern of the entire international community. the osce is unique in having raised conference is approach and is the only regional security organization that places the military economic and environmental and human dimensions of security on an equal footing here the 57 participating states have recognized whether and how estate is implementimplementing its commitments as a legitimate concern for all participating states. this principle as part of a broader framework of highly elaborated human rights corporate security rule of law reflected in the mandates of field operations. enabling them to respond to a range of challenges from attacks a medium for him to ethnic t

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you were like eleanor roosevelt or like bess truman. i was also struck by the naivete of news reports that projects surprise when a first lady had influence over her husband. [laughter] i would have to guess that none of them were probably married who wrote that. in other cases they were actually outraged when a first lady might engage in politics. i think you'll hear from the very first martha washington, when you hear accounts of that every single one of them were engaged in politics. so it is a surprise to me, even though i witnessed it firsthand that the public might be surprised when a first lady takes on a public policy issue or champion a cause or maybe goes to a podium and speaks her opinion about something that's happening in the current affairs. because she wasn't elected, that's sometimes thought to be out of place. i think you're going to hear a different perspective from the four ladies we have here today. this afternoon's session, "a woman's touch, the role of the first lady" we are joined by a distinguished panel. i don't

roosevelt. he's beginning to try to test the water. i don't think it's a total surprise that eleanoris such a precedent shattering, sort of figure, at least perceived that way. she's really the first post woman suffrage first lady. franklin remember also put the first woman in his cabinet. this is sort of a 19th amendment thing. we aren't yet talking about the other possible president clinton, although we might be in a few years. i'll talk a little bit about the gubernatorial level. you get women succeeding their husband, right after 19th amendment, we could talk about hale and lindy bogg. it is very interesting now these pairings that are made possible and sometimes you have father and daughter combinations. very much products of women suffrage. creating all sort of new possibilities and configurations. when bill clinton can plausibly have as his wing man, both al and hillary -- hillary is more like alexander hamilton in some ways than just purely martha washington. that does complicate the roles the on the running mates. women are plausible senators and officers. >> think of it, th

and the star was eleanor roosevelt. she continued to help fuhrman, and fuhrman was less needy perhaps than ruby black. she got help from eleanor bus not in such an obvious way. now, i'll end up with this. after eleanor left washington, following franklin's death, in 1945, must be remembered that eleanor had made quite a lot of money. for example, i have here eleanor's earnings in the white house years. this is based on a study of her income tax returns which are available here in the hyde park library. and it showed that from the years 1937 to 1939, for example, she had average net annual earnings of $62,000. that's a lot of money in those days. those were net earnings, too. 68,000 before expenses. so, these women never wrote things about eleanor. saying she is using her position to enhance herself. instead they covered up that kind of thing because they did feel somewhat grateful to her for allowing them to come to the white house every week. it was may craig, the one who first asked that men be allowed in and been told