ella, for conversation it was ella libanova, professor, doctor of economic sciences, academician of thenal academy of sciences of ukraine, director of the institute of demography of social studies of the national academy of sciences of ukraine. thank you for the conversation. i wish you good health . take care of yourself and your loved ones. we will meet with you at 1:00 p.m. volodymyr hryshko, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009, will be my guest, we will talk about the international aspect, other situations in to ukraine about russia europe about visas that are being canceled for russians it will be interesting, wait, the war in ukraine is the main topic for ukrainians victories and losses analysis and forecasts politics and geopolitics serhii rudenko and the guests of his program will talk about all this people who have information and shape public opinion people who defend ukraine and create the future right now the main and interesting thing in the program is the verdict by serhiy rudenko from monday to thursday at 1:00 p.m. repeat at 9:30 p.m. february 24 the

ukrainians after our victory over russia, we will talk for the next hour with us on the phone ella libanova professor doctor of economic sciences academician national academy of sciences of ukraine director of the institute of demography and social research of the national academy of sciences of ukraine ms. ella good day to you good health thank you for participating in our broadcast good day ms. ella you once called the war in the east, which began in 2014, postponed the war for independence that for 30 years we were building the country. however, the decisive battle for our independence was postponed precisely for 30 years, and on february 24, vladimir putin launched a large-scale war against ukraine, the final battle for ukrainian independence, what in your opinion prompted putin to go to a large-scale war in 2022? he felt that he was losing the final ukraine. putin and it looks quite like this, well, he probably interprets himself as a collector of russian lands, so this is very important for him a-a plus. moreover, not only he, but everyone understood that ukraine is moving away from r

armed forces of ukraine, the enemy suffered the greatest losses in the donetsk region . contact us ella libanova, professor, doctor of economics, academician of the national academy of sciences of ukraine, director of the institute of demography and social research of the national academy of sciences of ukraine ms. ella, have a good day good health thank you for participating in our broadcast good day, ms. ella, you somehow called the war in the east, which began in 2014, postponed the war for independence, because for 30 years we were building the country however, a decisive battle for our independence was postponed precisely for 30 years and on february 24, vladimir putin launched a large-scale war against ukraine, the final battle for ukrainian independence, what in your opinion prompted putin to go to a large-scale war in 2022 he felt that he was already losing the final ukraine . no, come on, i will not click on putin's head, but what lies on the surface of the 22nd year, december 30 will be the centenary of the formation of the ussr. this is very important for him, plus before that, not on

now acting as the prime minister, so i appeal to the prime minister to also think about it if ella libanovaut it he thinks that the one who manages the economy directly is also the people who are indifferent to ukraine. they are not indifferent. they are trying to invent it. it is not very difficult. it is just asking questions but looking for answers, but it is quite obvious that ukraine will also be different after our victory, and we must in a completely different way to treat state institutions and those people who work in these state institutions, well, relatively speaking, after our victory, there should be no corruption in ukraine, in my opinion, inefficient institutions, which state institutions that cannot manage, uh, volunteers replace these institutions in order to bring some ammunition please, can i have a question ? tell me, please, where will this corruption go if we? i will say right away that i do not have such godfathers, unfortunately or fortunately, but we need to be sober and evaluate the prospects of our country, because when in the course of the war, a congressman of s