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, ._ , remind us what she had to say, ellie? , , ,_ ellie?ot get as long as _ ellie? yesterday she probably did not get as long as she _ ellie? yesterday she probably did not get as long as she had i ellie? yesterday she probably did not get as long as she had hoped| ellie? yesterday she probably did i not get as long as she had hoped or maybe she did get as long as you would have hoped for, but she has certainly come back today. showers asked about a press conference she attended in which she basically said that she felt britain was well prepared for the pandemic, it was something which later she felt she needed to clarify and apologise for but she said it was not really her remit, it was something that she had been told by other experts and advisers that everything was in hand. it was something she said she felt guilty about or at least bad about that it was not quite, things were not quite as they seem. and it's a slightly strange timing with her because in effect it was science week last week this week feels like it is mainly politicians

there's going to be a little evidentiary challenge for jenna ellis.oing to be a here say objection. she will say, they can get over the hurdle because they have to put him on the witness list. this is not good for mr. trump. this on top of the new york trial, he's not having a good week. >> don jr. on the stand again. it wasn't a deja vu. it was a new statement and testimony happening. how do you think he performed today? >> it was like an infomercial for trump properties. he talked about how great the properties were. but this case is not about are they good or bad. it's about the valuation and the over valuation. sometimes many times over. some of the evidence that came in today, was harmful. they put a brochure into evidence that said 40 wall street was 72 stories. but according to public records it's 63 stories. they made the state's case for them today. i thought it was a face plant. >> likely eric will take the stand again. if don jr. face planted, what happens to them? >> a lot of the opportunities has been lost. going into trial, don jr. was o

jenna ellis could be extremely valuable because she's an insider. as this conversation she's testifying about with dan scavino illustrates the innermost people within donald trump's closest circles of power felt comfortable telling her the plans. she could be a really valuable witness. >> kerry what stands out to you about this? >> well, again, i echo what elie says about the importance. i wonder whether she has information that potentially could be relevant to jack smith's election case as well. she is a very compelling witness. she is the one individual who has so far pled guilty to a felony. some of the other lawyers that were working for the former president had pled guilty to only misdemeanors. and so she really was facing some more severe consequences that perhaps have motivated her to be this forthcoming with prosecutors. >> good point. elie, what do you make of the differences in what we're now hearing from jenna ellis and what sydney powell? >> night and day. i think this is a good example of how cooperation does work ask does not work. coo

scavino tells ellis, the boss is not going to leave under any circumstance.isten to this. >> he said to me ain a kind of excited tone. we don't care and we're not going to leave. i said, what do you mean? he said, well, the boss, meaning president trump and everyone understood the boss, that's what we all called him, he said the boggs is not going to leave under any circumstances. we are just going to stay in power, and i said to him, well, it doesn't quite work that way, you realize and he said, we don't care. >> that video recorded on october 23rd. the next day ellis pleaded guilty to one count of aiding and abetting false statements. neither scavino nor his attorney have commented on this. as for powell who pushed some of the motion fringe conspiracy legal theories after the election she described encounters with trump after he was told by white house attorneys that he had actually lost the election. listen to this. >> what was president trump's reaction when he fwaszed this cadre of advisers said, you lost? >> it was like, well, they would say that, then

ellis is now a convict. she confessed memorably in that georgia case.n the screen of her reading her apology statement, in court. she is available to testify against others. and now we are getting for the first time tonight on video, more detail about the kind of testimony she could give, and remember, legally, if she wanted to later walk away from that, guess what the prosecutors are going to do, pull up the video i played for you, and play it for the jurors no matter what she says in the future. i'm joined by history professor, tim snyder, author of the book on tyranny, 20 lessons from the 20th century. you have been an expert. the larger challenge of operating a democracy when there are people moving around trying to overthrow it. what do you see here in the way donald trump who's trying to run to get back into office is acting and the counter pressure from the legal process as we learn the evidence against him, which is tonight coming from his own lawyer. >> the bits of evidence that we have now are very important confirmation of an overall pattern

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people clearly lick general dla ellis. and has a lot to potentially offer to prosecutors in this case. but i think what we pick up from the videos and what you see in the interviews is the roadmap that prosecutors are going down with each of these witnesses much maybe not surprising, but we are seeing what they are confirming to them for the first time. and we have seen fani willis do this before, jake, with other rico cases where a lot of people have been indicted. a lot of people have gotten plea deals. often those plea deals in the past led to potentially incriminating information that could be used to bolster her case against the remaining defendants. so we don't though that that's going to happen in this case, but it clearly appears to be the direction she is headed with these witnesses and these co-defendants squho have taken guilty pleas. >> another slip of sidney powell obtained by abc news. >> what was president trump's reaction when the cadre ofv advisors said, you lost? >> it was like, well, they would say that

jenna ellis, it seems, has made a break from the trump people. during her plea she says, i at least now acknowledge these lies were lies. sidney powell has done no such thing. sidney powell is back out there spewing this election lie garbage. and for that reason, do not think sidney powell is at all a viable witness. i don't think there's a chance the d.a. or any prosecutor calls sidney powell. jenna ellis could be a different story. >> a lot of times the failure to pay legal fees is the straw that breaks the back and sends someone over to the other side. >> she had come out and enor doed ron desantis in the primary. she did ultimately say ron desantis was the better choice for the future. and it's believed by people in trump world that's why he did not offer to pay her legal bills. >> what stood out to me is seeing that clip of jenna ellis -- there's a lot more to come. that's in georgia. but there is an argument going on in the federal case in washington with the special counsel jack smith about cameras being inside the courtroom. and the trump

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all that led jenna ellis down a path that was far more than over. it was a crime leading to her infamous confession and courtroom apology. >> i believe in and value election integrity. if i knew then what i knew now -- i look back on this full experience with deep remorse. >> deep remorse. this is a legal process. it took a long time. there was a lot of lies and bs. there was a lot of foot dragging. there was doubt about whether any of this would go anywhere. now there's skepticism. will it be enough in what will happen to the big fish? d.a. made news today saying his trial might come after election. no one said the process is perfect or that it always works, but we are getting a window into how it works. these rico sessions are part of the nuts and bolts and testimony, even if the d.a., by her own public statement, is upset they're out right now, because that wasn't, she says, the strategy. this stuff can and will be used as key testimonial evidence against the remaining defendants, some of whom are holding out. that's why we want to show you the b

jenna ellis talked about the conversation she had with dan scavino in december, 2020.owell recalled what some of trump trump's top white house staff told the then president that same month. >> i emphasized him, i thought that the the claims and the ability to challenge the election results was essentially over because he said to me, and i kind of said to him, we don't hear and we're not going to leave. i said what do you mean? and he said well, the boss, meaning president trump, and everyone understood the boss, that's what we all called him, he said the boss is not going to leave under any circumstances. we are just going to stay in power. and i said to him, well, it doesn't quite work that way, you realize. he said we don't care. >> miss powell, were you around when someone, anyone, told donald trump that he had lost the election. >> oh, yeah. >> who? >> pat cipollone, eric herschmann, derek lions, all thought he had lost. >> what was president trump's reaction when he faced this cadre of advisers would say you lost? >> it was like, well, they would say that and they

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it shows ellis and powell. first of all, the fact they didn't have a protective order is surprising. this is almost inevitable, one would think. why not have it in the first place? >> it's someone to have a criminal order. when you know the defendants that you're dealing with in this matter. it was appalling i would send an e-mail to witnesses in the january 6th investigation. and within minutes, my e-mails were leaked. this is not as sensitive. i'm happy there's a protective order in place. we have to think about protecting the witnesses and ensuring the safety of the investigation and integrity as we move forward. >> why do you think is the reason? >> this was an ill-advised decision. he wanted to explain what she was dealing with, what his client was facing. you can't do that in the media. this attorney should know this is a way that we can't affect the trial. this attorney is probably in trouble for publicizing information he now could influence a trial. and information without a protective order, he should

now it's back over to ellie and . martin and thanks to ellie and.artin and thanks for that. >> rhiannon. okay. welcome to gb news live now. boris johnson's downing street displayed an unbelievably bullish and dismissive approach to coronavirus early in the pandemic. a former civil servant has said yes. >> helen macnamara, who served as deputy cabinet secretary dunng as deputy cabinet secretary during the pandemic, said they were laughing at the italians as the then prime minister expressed a breezy confidence . expressed a breezy confidence. >> she told the covid 19 inquiry early today that's her injections of caution in january and february of 2020. did not register with boris johnson . register with boris johnson. >> well, pep thompson, gb news presenter , joins us now. and pep presenter, joins us now. and pep , good afternoon to you all eyes right now on helen macnamara . right now on helen macnamara. >> yeah, she was the second most senior civil servant and we heard her mentioned yesterday by dominic cummings during his four hours of evidence be

you only cut sweetheart deals if there are star witness, and i think jen ellis and sidney powell are right now looking like big stars. they were in the room where it happened, and were basically saying no, it's clear that what happened in that room was that donald trump committed major crimes. >> now, let's take a look at the video, and the portion of the video obtained by abc news, attorney general ellison, pleaded guilty the day after she did this video interview with the prosecutors, described a conversation that she had at the final trump white house christmas party with dan scavino, a person who could not possibly have been employed in politics or government by anyone other than donald trump. dance given it working for donald trump, a job he was fully qualified for, as donald trump's golf caddie. here is the video of that conversation obtained by abc news. >> at the time, a period where they would start to discuss -- >> at the time, i believe his title was social media director for the white house, and became deputy chief of staff at the time that the conversation to place. >> a

that quote from jenna ellis. was it?jenna ellis is emerging as a more promising potential witness than sydney powell, precisely for the reasons she identifies. jenna ellis seems to have made an actual break from the trump people. during her plea, she said i at least now acknowledge that these lies were spreading about election fraud were not live. city powell has not done such thing. since she took her plea, she's back out there spewing this election lie garbage. for that reason, i do not think sydney powell is at all in viable witness. i don't think there's any chance the dea or any prosecutor ever calls sydney powell. generals could be a different story. >> you think trump will end up wishing he would pay for dallas 's legal fees? >> it could. be the straw that breaks the back and send some over to the other side. >> frankly, one of the other trivial reasons he did not with because should come out and endorse ron sense in the primary. she stayed very loyal to donald trump, got you to spot the election lies, but it ulti

attorney jenna ellis say iing tt donald trump, the boss, as they called him, would not leave the white house under any circumstances. here's abc's senior investigative reporter aaron katersky. >> reporter: tonight, abc news has obtained excerpts of two alleged co-conspirators charged along with former president donald trump in georgia. cut plea deals on reduced charges in exchange for their cooperation, giving interviews to prosecutors. >> we're here with a proffer with jenna ellis. >> reporter: ellis, who falsely claimed ballots were manipulated, recounting a time at the 2020 white house christmas party, when she said trump aide dan scavino told her trump planned to simply refuse to leave the white house. >> he said to me, in a kind of excited tone, "well, we don't care, and we're not going to leave." >> reporter: ellis said she asked him what do you mean. >> he said, "the boss is not going to leave under any circumstances, we are just going to stay in power." and i said to him, "well doesn't quite work that way, you realize, and he said, "we don't care." >> reporter: scavino did not

trump has pleaded not guilty and denied wrongdoing. >> ng ellis and powell are two of four defendants in the case who have pleaded guilty, agreeing to testify by melissa don, abc news los angeles. into the culture you. macy's wars facing backlash this morning over its annual thanksgiving day parade. nearly 20,000 people have signed a petition blasting the upcoming event as a, quote, non-binary and trans gender extravaganza. they're upset that two non-binary broadway stars are scheduled to perform, including alex newell, who just won a tony award. the group behind the petition claims macy's does not have the best interests of children in mind. coming up, lost in space. >> the expensive bag dropped during a nasa spacewalk. >> also ahead, justice after more than a century. how a group of black soldiers finally got their honor restored in texas sometimes, the lows of bipolar depression feel darkest before dawn. with caplyta, there's a chance to let in the lyte™. caplyta is proven to deliver significant relief across bipolar depression. unlike some medicines that only treat bipolar i, capl

ellie thanks , sophia back to.'re watching saturday morning live now. >> israeli security officials have said that they have received a list of 14 hostages to be released as early as today as part of a ceasefire deal between israel and hamas. it comes as israel is to return to release 42 palestinian prisoners in the second phase of the agreement . meanwhile, in london, agreement. meanwhile, in london, thousands of protesters are expected to march today calling for a permanent ceasefire in gaza. well, joining us now live from park lane ahead of the pro—palestine rally later on is gb news political correspondent catherine for. good morning to you. catherine and you have been to a number of these marches in recent weeks, haven't you? so what are we expecting to see today ? they today? they >> yes, these marches have been going on. this is now the seventh saturday in a row of pro—palestinian protests in london. of course, it's not just london. of course, it's not just london. they're happening across the united kingdom

jenna ellis thing, it's so stark to me.is her -- one of the president's chief lawyers talking about a conversation she had with dan scavino was tight as anything with donald trump. social media, but almost a body how much he travels and is close to the president. i want to use this word advisedly, from a civic sense, scavino saying we're not going to leave, we don't care, in a civic sense evil. it shows contempt for our democracy on the fundamental level. let me connect the dots. it's a foreshadowing the campaign donald trump vuning which is essentially a promising and more authoritarian autocratic campaign, matter of policy and rhetoric. contempt for democracy. contempt for democratic norms. that's the way they're campaigning. that was their mindset at the end of the office, we'll just refuse to leave power on the basis of no evidence after losing all the cases. that's contempt for our democracy. >> john brings up a really important point because it couples with the vermin comment that trump made this weekend about politic

former trump attorney general ellis descriing a chilling conversation with trump aid at a white house christmas party. >> i said something to him like i'm sorry that we haven't been able to do more. and i emphasized to him i thought that the claims and the ability to challenge the election results was essentially over because of the dismissal of the case from the the supreme court. he said to me in an excited tone, well, we don't care. we're not going to leave. i said, what do you mean? he said, well the boss, meaning president trump and everyone understood the boss, that's what we all called him, he said the boss is not going to leaf under any circumstances. we're just going to stay in

it's not going to be necessarily admissible through jenna ellis. it is double hearsay.t a charged party. he is not a coconspirator, at least identified yet in the indictment. so how does that come in? at the very least, she provided an investigative lead. she provided information for the d. a. to go and follow up on and hopefully flip dan scavino because this could be really important evidence as to trump's motive for why he was involved in the fake electors scheme, all of the r. i. c. o. conspiracy ties into, i did not want to leave office. >> so, jack smith could potentially use this video in the federal election's case? >> i don't think he can use the video, only if potentially jenna ellis said something different, and then potentially who could use it to confront her for changing her story. but the statement itself, the truth of it, not admissible on its own. it is dan scavino told her what trump told him. so, he would have to find a way to try and get it in, either through dan scavino saying with trump told him, trump's party, so it can be admissible then. or maybe

it's because of people like jenna ellis and sidney powell. sidney powell standing there after presser after presser, suggesting she was going to release a kraken. there was an international -- jenna ellis, in arizona, she was down there with rudy giuliani, making the case to speaker rusty bower to overturn and allow the legislature to give donald trump the win in arizona. to hear this to the extent that trump loyalists hear from these folks and see the proffer videos, i'm not sure, but it hits at the heart of the argument for the cameras being in the courtroom for the federal election interference case. these are compelling and revealing. >> jonathan, you wrote the book on the big steal. tell us about these two players and the significance of them stepping forward now and saying it was all a lie, and specifically that donald trump was told by his lawyers -- >> many times. >> -- by his lawyers many times that he lost the election. >> that's the most important point, which we'll come back to. in terms of refreshing people's memories, sidney pow

dynamite video from jenna ellis. and she's going to be the star witness against trump now, it's clear. >> well i wonder because there's also sydney powell testimony abc news heard from her. listen to this. >> what was president trump's reaction asked the advisers would say, that you lost? >> they would say that and then they would walk out. and they would say, this is what we deal with all the time. >> i would, say with respect, trump's lead counsel in fulton county, abc news said that the private conversation he called, absolutely meaningless. and i wonder what the combination your tackling, why? >> well he's probably seeing anything that he can. but the reality is that this is really hitting. one of the most difficult core aspects of a prosecutor's job is to find an evidentiary door to open into the minds of the criminal defendant. and this is really a door that can open because you are seeing instances where mr. trump is apparently showing this state of mine, by demonstrating that he realizes full well that he did

and now, i saw it too on social media, people are going after jenna ellis, going after the people in these tapes. >> they knew that. look, this has been a pattern for a long time now. it is not just in his cases. this is a pattern when he was president. when he could say these things, what i call the dog whistle comments. he can say them, he can have somebody else, in this case, he just put out there, i have got an enemy. i have got someone who is opposing me. and folks are going to take that. that's the sad thing about this. there are people that are out there that are seeing this who think that i have got to do something about this. i have to stop this person from getting my guy. >> it also makes -- it -- >> they have had access to this. they also, you know, for right or wrong, they will take what they have seen, and they may be seeing things that are not going to be admissible in evidence. so it could, you know, it could actually hurt the prosecution. it could actually help the prosecution, depending, but it's not the way it's supposed to be. evidence is supposed to be presented a

ellis who has an agreement that says she's a fully cooperating witness and where she has agreed to meetdly with the d.a.'s office. there's a real distinction the way that is written. so i think that note of caution, even if you are not sure of the -- whether it's totally accurate, is a fair one, since we do not know exactly what these going to say or what he's going to stay about his meeting, as you pointed out, ari, with the former president. the thing that i didn't get a good feel for is the question you put to him, which is why is your client guilty? in other words, if you're saying everything is legal, i thought that was just the perfect question, and i don't think we got an answer let alone the perfect answer as to what it is mr. cheseboro said he did that made him criminally liable. it's fine for him to say i didn't commit a rico, but he pled guilty to count 15. what is it in his own words he would say he did? that to me is the missing piece. i basically heard, welsh it was a really good deal so he said he's guilty. that would mean he lied to the judge when he said he was guilty.

so your ae reaction to what you heard from paul and ellis and chesebro? >> a couple things significant. a as you said at the top, there was really never any serious effort to uncover voter fraud or any serious belief in its existence. it sounds very much like this was a political strategy from the beginning. generate fake electors, go to the room, state leg torts and state officials, the republican members of congress, that's the path forward. it doesn't really matter if we keep losing these claims. that is shocking. that's illegal. we got toward that, but this is more direct evidence. the other thing that comes through to me in all of these new debriefing tapes that are coming out is how much engaged the presidents was himself. a key fact for jack smith fani willis will be a personal involvement. he was briefed by chesebro directly on the fake electors plans. he's talking directly to sidney powell about these theories of election fraud, which are debunk. he is not a passive observer being advised by lawyers. he's engaged in discussions and controlling an

there's a four day party in south africa as the springboks take the webb ellis cup around the country and ajax are finally on the up, with their first league win since the start of the season welcome to sportsday on bbc news. india have made it seven wins out of seven at the cricket world cup to become the first side through to the semi—finals. it was no ordinary win for the hosts, they blew sri lanka away in mumbai, winning by a colossal 302 runs. joe wilson was watching. 0k. nobody in mumbai expected india to lose, but this victory was a statement. india's batting was propelled by virat kohli, inevitably, especially in a partnership with shubman gill, who made 92 with some shots that seemed effortless. in reality, batters were dealing with the heat. mid—thirties. virat 88, and gone, mumbai were stunned. kohli had not made a century, still india scored 357. you know, that might just be enough. sri lanka batting. jasprit bumrah struck with his first ball that's out wickets still outpaced runs 3—4 here. mohammed siraj was relentless until mohammed shami came on to bowl. keep track, wit

so jenna ellis testifies to that. that's hearsay.ly would not be admissible in court, except now that they have heard it, now it's out there, now a potential juror is polluted, a potential juror now has heard testimony from key people that would not be admissible in trial. but it's out there. so that's one of the reasons this should remain confidential. usually -- let everything all hang out. but in this particular case, it's very sensitive. and i think the judge made the right decision and terms of keeping this confidential from here on. >> and that's the key isn't it, gentlemen, when you think about the why? what you want to get things and to the court of public opinion? yes, it's the jury pool. we are also yes than a year away, brian, from a presidential election. donald trump loves a camera, we are well aware of that. he has gone out in the hallway for the new york civil fraud trial time and time again to give his own summation of what's happening. kate wants to have cameras in the courtroom, even in the federal court. georgia, i

plus, new reporting tonight on what lawyer jenna ellis shared with prosecutors in trump's georgia electionerference case. now that she's cooperating. including that she was told, quote, the boss is not going to leave. >>> and we begin tonight with a reminder. donald trump has told you who he is over and over again. so you should believe him. because as frightening as the prospect of a second trump term is, you don't have to wonder. he is telling us exactly what he plans to do. and that includes a reference to the nazi playbook, as he did on veterans day. with trump embracing the language of hate, using the words vermin twice to describe his perceived political enemies. first, in a social media post on his fake twitter, and later repeated verbatim in a speech in new hampshire. >> in honor of our great veterans on veterans day, we pledge to you that we will root out the communists, marxists, fascists, and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections. the threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, an

"the washington post" and abc news made public excerpts of ellis and sidney powell. watch this as ellis recounts a conversation with one high ranking trump advisor where he said the boss wasn't leaving the white house for any reason. >> i emphasized him -- i thought that the claims and the ability to challenge the election results was essentially over. he said to me in a kind of excited tone, well, we don't care, and we're not going to leave. and i said what do you mean? and he said the boss is not going to leave under any circumstances, we're just going to stay in power. and i said to him it doesn't really work that way you realize. and he said we don't care. >> we don't care. the video was filmed during ellis' proffer session where she was required to lay out everything she knew that the prosecution could use in exchange for a plea deal. nbc news did not obtape the videos and they've not been independently verified. ellis is one of four codefendants in the sprawling georgia rico case that accepted a lighter sentence in exchange for information. sidney powell who ac

jennifer ellis is a 4th generation, idaho. and, and the woman at the reins of a lunch casual fund sheets boss. when it's like this, the songs about it, you know, i, where the parents, when she's not around, she's married with 3 children and 2 grandchildren and apparently have own us the children learn to provide almost similar training is sleep with working branches in idaho, believe in hard work and helping united the traditional values of the american with respect to the well that was pretty speedy. basically, john, the whole way the party vote for is not really an issue around to you. the default option is the republicans so the rural areas were conservative. but when, when you talked conservatism, then it was that, you know, smaller government and better budgeting practices, private property rights. i would say maybe a little more libertarian leaning in the fact of you. do you all do me, you know, mind your own business to a certain extent. the extended ellis family spends every summer on the ranch to grace the castle. the

ellie.ndured so much during the pandemic because of the mistakes he said government had made. it is significant because it is the first time such a senior cabinet minister, who is still in government, has admitted so publicly such mistakes were made. we talked about the timing surround lockdown in march and october 2020, as well as the impact on children during those lockdowns. the other significant thing was when michael gove talked about his high opinion of the former health secretary matt hancox who he said had shown foresight and wisdom in the decisions he made, as well as a desire to write to the occasion. matt hancock has received plenty of criticism over the last few weeks at this inquiry from civil servants and scientific advisers who said he showed nuclear levels of confidence in his decision—making, as well as a tendency to over promise and under deliver. matt hancock himself will appear in front of this inquiry at the end of the week, but we will hear more from michael gove this a

hall and miss ellis are in fact giving information that could be useful. i think that people should really take with a dose of caution what miss powell and mr. chesbro have said because it's not clear they're fully cooperating or their statements are particularly useful for the prosecutors. i think it's a bit of a mixed bag. two seem like they have information that's useful. two have what i would say it's not totally clear they are fully on board and fully cooperating as opposed to they're pleading to what they did, but they're not willing to say truthfully everything else. >> we played jen ellis as we were coming to you. i want to play sound of sydney powell in her testimony she offered then we'll talk on the other side. >> what sort of things was he saying december 18th? >> well, he knew, he was all his instincts told him he has been defrauded. that the election was a big fraud. it was that he had won. >> right. and so but you had said before, if he got to the point where you know, the facts were telling him you've lost, he would then bow out. that was e

in the supreme court's ethics up today, and buccaneers the night on what former trump lawyer jenna ellis is telling prosecutors in georgia, and what that all means. but first, let's go back to that historical figure, trump seems to admire so much. this weekend, trump vowed to root out what he called the radical left dogs that live like vermont within the confines of our country. that is an exact quote. for the students of history out there, if that sounds familiar to you, it's because it echoes the language of adolf hitler. as he told czech foreign minister, among many others, this was the language he used frequently, quote, this vermin must be destroyed. look, lots of things trump says are shocking. they are shocking on a daily basis, but it's important a pause on this for a moment, because the former president, who is also the current front runner for the republican nomination and very much could end up in the oval office, is mirroring the dangerous rhetoric hitler used to come back to the holocaust. this is not an isolated incident. an and interview just last month, trump used graphic

let's bring in ellie price, our correspond the i ellie price, our correspond the developments.ain. yes, quite a significant moment. we were talking inside i moment. we were talking inside trying to work out if that was the first serving cabinet minister we have heard, who obviously had a role during the pandemic, continue to apologise for the mistakes. he said some of them were made, he said at the end of the day politicians are humans but he did insist best efforts were made, decisions made were not taken lightly and that was the background to all of that. got that apology in rather early. i think the big issue for the big take home from the evidence we have had so far, quite interesting, michael gove's defence of matt hancock, the health secretary. he said he thought very highly of the then health secretary, that he felt he had, that matt hancock had used foresight and wisdom in many of the decisions that he had taken. it flies in the face of a lot of the criticism we have heard both inside and outside the inquiry. many politicians, civil servants and scientists are criticisi

pull up some sweets, including one citing jenna ellis that they have also cited here. the judge in this case, what will they be weighing as they consider the request? >> the judge will be weighing, fist of all, the fact that the bond terms did specifically say that he was not to contact witnesses directly or indirect ly. so he doesn't have the excuse that this was a public tweet, this was a public statement. the bond term specifically covered that, which i think is important and should be important, will be important to the judge. the second thing the judge will be weigh ing is the content. as you said, there are several different examples but in at least one of them, he calls jenna ellis essentially a liar. he says you're a mess and questions her credibility. these are some of the saim things that have come up in other cases where prosecutors have pointed to statements by donald trump undermining the credibility of certain witnesses. so it's about potential witness intimidation and also undermining their credibility in the public sphere, which can make it problematic

i think that the dan scavino quote from jenna ellis' perspective is a big deal saying that the boss is not going to leave. that is telling that regardless of the merit with respect to these election fraud allegations, it was not going to change president trump's mind at the time. he was going to fight it to the end, regardless of what the facts said. >> trump's lead attorney in georgia put out a statement to abc news about the they said this. the only fact to this nonsense line of inquiry is president trump left the white house in january 2021 and returned to mar-a-lago in florida. essentially, this was all meaningless because he did leave the white house. how strong of an argument is that? >> that's sort of classic trump brett va do. first of all, an out of court like that has nothing to do with the actual trial. it's meaningless. likely, his attorneys are a little nervous at this point. the proffer session ises not only police indicate trump, but lower level codefendants in had this case as well going back to that idea of flipping up the chain. so of the other co-defendants are likel

and one of trump's aides, dan scavino, simply said, "we don't care." >> former trump attorney jenna elliscutors of a late 2020 conversation with top trump aide dan scavino, where scavino revealed the former president did not -- did not -- plan to leave the white house. >> i emphasized to him i thought that the claims and the ability to challenge the election results were essentially over because of the dismissal, the texas versus pennsylvania case from the united states supreme court. and he said to me in a kind of excited tone, "well, we don't care, and we're not going to leave. and i said, "what do you mean? and he said, "well, the boss" -- meaning president trump, and everyone understood "the boss," that's what we all called him. he said, "the boss is not going to leave under any circumstances. we are just going to stay in power. and i said to him, "well, it doesn't quite work that way, you realize. and he said, "we don't care. >> seth: first of all, it's never a good day when you get a lecture on the law from jenna ellis. she's the one who went on a cross-country tour of state legisla

in particular, really attacking jenna ellis. looking at one of the tweets right now two days ago saying that she was lying on dan scavino and i guess they don't teach ethics at harvard law anymore. as an aside, jenna ellis did not go to harvard law school. but, the larger point is that harrison floyd has engaged in a two-week long campaign to intimidate and fight back against people involved in this case, ranging from brad raffensperger and sterling and ellis and powell. and finally the motion ends with a litany of his tweets, aimed squarely at ruby freeman, who is the person that he victimized in the first place, leading to the charges against him and who he continues to victimize and was publicly the most offensive conduct that he engaged in, according to da fani willis' team. i look forward to seeing how this motion is litigated, but this is just the opening salvo that we have here right now, joy. >> barb, can you comment on this. because the thing is that donald trump, the problem with his behavior is that it is infectious.