let's go to ellie jostad. ellie, when these contestants try to get on these shows, what's the protocol? don't they check and see whether there's a criminal past? >> well, as you mentioned before, pat, this is a production company, 51 minds, that did -- that produced this show. and they say they weren't aware of his criminal record. i don't know exactly what kind of background check was done. but they apparently weren't aware of it. >> and apparently he fell through the cracks, bethany marshall. we talked about that earlier, right? >> or maybe he fooled them. or maybe he's so charming that he was able to fool them. >> they could have done a background check and found out about his prior domestic. they probably did psych testing and he probably came up with some kind of a personality disorder. and instead of then going on and then evaluating his propensity towards violence against women, they may have thought, oh, great, this guy has a personality disorder and the camera loves crazy. because that's what a lot of

straight to you, ellie jostad, our producer, chief editorial producer on the story. ellie, what exactly happened when they first broke the news to her there on video? we heard this through a police source. >> right. right. detective sergeant frank ramsey, he's the officer you see in the video giving her the bad news that her husband is dead. he said he barely got the sentence out, "your husband has been killed --" and she immediately broke into hysterics. >> ellie, as you were describing it to me earlier before the show tonight, it was more like "your husband --" " oh, oh!" before he could say, "your husband won the lottery." "your husband is trying to reach you." he didn't even get to finish before she broke down in hysterics. >> sergeant ramsey says he's had to deliver bad news to other family members before. usually there's confusion, there's disbelief, there's denial. and he said this almost seemed anticipated. as if she were waiting for him to say this. >> let's unleash the lawyers, eleanor dixon, peter odom, renee rockwell. before she left that morning, she prom

. >> to ellie jostad, our producer on the story. ellie, what her can you tell me? >> boynton beach police say they have several conversations that this woman had on -- with this informant and the undercover cop. it's all on tape. she gave the informant $1,200 as a down payment to buy a gun to allegedly kill her husband. >> $1,200. you know, a lot of celebrities spend that much on a pocketbook. that was to get him killed? >> right. then she told the undercover cop she would give him $3,000 after the job was done. i'll clean the pool if you clean the windows. pick the windows, pick the windows! anything but the windows. deal. oh! new windex outdoor all-in-one... cleans outdoor glass fast. just spray with water, wipe with a windex cleaning pad, and rinse for a streak-free shine in half the time. you're done? she pulled a fast one! ( laughs ) new windex outdoor all-in-one. a streak-free shine in half the time. s.c. johnson, a family company. >> no, no, no! oh my god! i want to see him! no, no! >> we have to do our job. if you want us to find his killer, we need you to

. >> to ellie jostad, our producer on the story. ellie, what more can you tell me? >> boynton beach police say they have several conversations that this woman had on -- with this informant and the undercover cop. it's all on tape. she gave the informant $1,200 as a down payment to buy a gun to allegedly kill her husband. >> $1,200. you know, a lot of celebrities spend that much on a pocketbook. that was to get him killed? >> right. then she told the undercover cop she would give him $3,000 after the job was done. >> mrs. dippolito? >> yes. >> sergeant ramsey. [ inaudible ] >> no, no, no! no, no, no! oh, my god. i want to see him. >> we have to do our job. if you want us to find his killer, we need you to -- >> no, no. >> did he have any enemies? is there anyone that would want to hurt him? >> do you see that? listen. >> ma'am, you cannot do this right now. we need you to listen. >> you are seeing dalia dippolito, a 26-year-old newly wed of six months breaking down in hysterical sobs as police inform her her groom is dead, murdered. they carry her away. she's nearly

. >>> straight out to our chief editorial producer, ellie jostad. ellie, what more can you tell me? >> we're finding out now that police are putting together a comprehensive time line of what happened between the time that jenkins checks out of that hotel in san diego on friday morning and the very next morning, when jasmine's body is found. they're looking through phone records, looking through bank records, trying to find out exactly where he was and when. >> and of course, ellie jostad, if there is an accomplice that helped him dismember and dispose of that body, certainly, text messages or cell phone calls may reveal who that person is. >>> everyone, we are switching gears. we want answers. we are live in oklahoma at the brutal murder of a lady pastor inside the church house. the police say the crime scene, the most horrific they have ever seen, with sex attack and thievery not reported as a motive. pastors throughout the region now warn they may be a target. >> reporter: friends say they believe god was saving a special place in heaven for reverend carol daniels. each sunday fo

. >> straight out to our chief editorial producer, ellie jostad, ellie, what can you tell me about hubby finally filing for divorce and for a protective order? >> right, nancy. last friday michael dippolito filed for divorce from his wife. in the petition he lists that the wife allegedly hired a hit man to kill him. also, just before air, he got a restraining order. his lawyer says that michael dippolito fears for his life. he doesn't know what she's capable of and he wanted to make sure there's an order, keeping her away from him. >> and she's out on bond, living with mommy. she's probably propped up on the sofa, having chicken soup right now. very quickly to tonight's safety tips. ps taking your calls. teens getting ready for back to school and back behind the wheel. rules of the road for teen drivers. talk to your teen about safety. set ground rules. they've got to follow before happeneding over the keys. and hey, put the rules in writing. texting, cell phones, ipods while driving, major distractions. it causes fatal crashes. always wear seatbelts. discourage speeding. make your teen

i know ellie jostad, nancy grace producer, has been thumbing through this at rapid speed. what else have you got for us, ellie? >> we learned not only were the dea, lapd and las vegas police there looking for anything regarding michael jackson's treatment, they were also looking for correspondence with other doctors. they list six of them here. dr. klein, who we've heard about before, michael jackson's personal dermatologist. i assume the same dr. klein. dr. metzger, dr. adams. dr. mark tadrisi, dr. randy rosen. also, any correspondence with aeg. that's the group that was promoting michael jackson's concerts in london. or also the nurse practitioner, cherilyn lee. she's the woman who claims that michael jackson was begging her for the drug propofol. >> let me clarify. you're saying they were looking for any correspondence related to those people or did they find correspondence related to those people? >> they were looking for it. it's not clear if they found it, but they were looking for any correspondence with michael jackson or any of those aliases as well as the doctors

to our chief editorial producer, ellie jostad, what about it, ellie, what do we know? >> nancy, the "los angeles times" is reporting from three different sources that cardiologist dr. murray claims that he spoke to investigators. he told them that he had been regularly administering propofol, that powerful anesthetic to jackson to help him sleep. that night in question, jackson was under the influence of propofol. this doctor reportedly told investigators in an interview that, because there had never been problems in the past, he felt he could leave the room and make several phone calls. when he returned, jackson was not breathing. now, we spoke to the spokesperson for the doctor, they wouldn't -- or the doctor's attorney, rather. they wouldn't confirm all of the article's details, but they would confirm the comments of that the attorney made. he said he was not going to dispute what these investigators said, but he says they are not telling the whole story. >> but that doesn't jibe, alan duke, entertainment editor with the cnn wire with the earlier story that jackson

. >> to ellie jostad, our chief editorial producer on the story. ellie, i'm not getting the sense that cops are saying someone could have followed them. that this weren't a stranger in that sense. my interpretation is, and i'm on the outside looking in, is that it's someone within the family or close friends surrounding the family. >> right, nancy. well, what i think is very significant about this announcement from the sheriff's office is they're saying that misty croslin still holds answers in this case. they say she's failed to provide a detailed account of what she was doing in those hours late that evening and early that morning. >> unleash the lawyers. we're taking your calls. to you, ray giudice. defense attorney in atlanta. and former prosecutor out of miami. to you, ray giudice, months later, months have passed. wouldn't it be about time for her to cough up the details of what happened that night if she had nothing to hide? >> law enforcement is sending her as clear a message as possible, go get a lawyer. if you have nothing to child, let th

. >> ellie jostad, autopsy results aside, when they're going to be released, fine. we knew they were going to be slow in releasing that and the toxicology reports. what i'm wondering are there going to be charges? or because these are well-heeled, educated doctors, pharmacies, famous celebrity hangers-on, nobody's going to do anything. >> well, nancy, as allen mentioned, we do know of about at least five searches. you've got dr. conrad murray's offices in houston, his offices in las vegas, and way back in the beginning of the investigation, lapd spokesperson said three different warrants served in los angeles. >>> i want to thank you so much for all of your calls and e-mails about my book, the eleventh victim. you are the very first to see it right now. of course, after lucy, a picture here who grabbed it first. it's about a prosecutor who tries her best to give up criminal law and when her friends are murdered one by one, the mipd hones in on her. it took me years to write this book. i started when i first left felony prosecution and i missed it so much. since then

out to ellie jostad, our chief editorial producer. ellie, this is right under our noses. what are the potential penalties for these guys? >> right. well, nancy, antonio rivera and his sister, jasmine, as well as their bar manager john whaley, are facing some really stiff charges. sex trafficking. forced labor. conspiracy. those first two charges, each of them individually carries a life sentence. >> whatever judge gets this case, we are going to be watching you. and these people better seek justice. they better meet up with lady justice, in the courtroom. with me right now, a special guest, bradley miles. he is a human trafficking expert with polarisproject.org. thanks for being with us. how prevalent is human trafficking like this, forcing teenagers into sex rings, in our country? >> nancy, it is more prevalent than people realize. i'll tell you that right now. we operate the national hotline for the country. we've learned about 2,500 potential victims over the past two years. the government estimates we have, you know, 14,500 to 17,500 people who are brought across the

to ellie jostad, nancy grace producer, there was so much they were looking for, but there appears to be just a limited amount of things that were actually on the return or what they collected during the search warrant. explain. >> right. well, we know that they served -- that they seized images of hard drives from the office. also, a cd that had the name "omar arnold" on it, a green binder with some invoices, medical information. it's unclear what all the paperwork is and whether or not it will reveal any information regarding propofol, if it was being shipped, if it was being purchased, if it was being prescribed to michael jackson. >> a lot of things for investigators to go through at this point. i want to welcome a very special guest tonight. he is a nationally renowned defense attorney out of los angeles, california, having represented robert blake, roseanne barr, chris farley, steven segal, and also represented elizabeth taylor's physician at one point in an overprescribing case. mr. harlan braun, thank you so much for joining us. your client, one of the doctors in this case, dr

out to our chief editorial producer ellie jostad, what can you tell me about motive? >> the last night she's seen alive, she and ryan jenkins are seen together at a poker game in san diego. her friends say that she is on the phone a lot, and she is texting with somebody. her ex-fiance said it was him. he said he got the last message from her at 1:40 that morning. she said she was going to las vegas and going to come see him. so that apparently may be motive. ryan jenkins found out about these texts. >> ellie, what can you tell me about her telling other people that her marriage was a mistake and that she was in over her head. >> right. another ex-fiance of hers, a guy named travis said he had spoken to her recently. and she told him she thought she was over her head but didn't know how to get out of this relationship with jenkins. >> ryan jenkins is an animal. what he has done to jasmine is unspeakable. it's just not right. >>> jasmine fiore's body was so mutilated when found in a trash bin behind an apartment complex outside say l.a. police, that it had to be identif

back to you, ellie jostad. what more have we learned about them as a couple, how they met, the whole she bang? >> well, this morning on the "today show," michael dippolito said that morgan his wife went to the gym she even offered to stop and ping starbucks for him on the way back. now, they actually met at -- >> wait, wait, wait. she offered to bring back starbucks. okay. pause. mickey sherman, stacy schneider, gloria allred. so mickey, what did she do, put extra raisins in his cereal for him that morning? what was his last meal? how do you go about this? planning your husband's shooting death in the head. what do you do, still sleep with him the night before just to kind of a send-off? fix a special gourmet meal for breakfast or is it just like see ya? i'll bring you that coffee when i get home. >> mocha-choca i'm going to kill you. >> did she stop at starbucks or did she know he wasn't going to be alive when she got home from starbucks? >> she was hoping. it cost her a few bucks to have him killed. how come

. >> i want to go to ellie jostad. what can you tell me? what are the updates on the case? >> nancy, as you know, this lawsuit -- now, what happened is on friday, just a week ago, she convinces, dahlia dippolito convinces her husband to sign over the condo just to her. both of their names had been on the deed previously. she told him that he needed to do it to protect his assets. that night, she allegedly tells this friend, this man she's seeing, whoever this informant is, that she wants her husband killed. the next day she gives him $1,200 to buy a gun and to hire a hit man. >>> a newlywed in boynton beach, florida, accused of hiring a hit man to kill her husband. they'd only been married six months. but police say dalia dippolito unknowingly hired an undercover cop to do the job. police then plan this elaborate sting operation. faking her husband's death. calling her to the staged murder scene. they catch her entire tearful reaction on tape. in the end, she's arrested and she comes face to face with not only the hit man but her husband who is alive and well. >> there was

. >> ellie jostad, the two versions don't match. >> right, nancy. the version where the children saw michael jackson collapse comes from a "new york post" story originally i believe with stacy brown, the jackson biographer. other reports have said that rather doctor murray found jackson in a bedroom, he started house. it's not clear that jackson actually fell down in the presence of the children. >> to doctor marnie makary again, joining us and johns hopkins. doctor makary, propofol, don't you shoot it up intravenously, and you have to lay there with the needle the whole time when you're asleep? you take it out, you wake up. >> that's exactly right. the second you stop using it is the second you wake up. and basically you only use it for general anesthesia. i can understand how he may have gotten comfortable and left the room, but when you get a dose a little higher than the effective dose, it's very easy to stop breathing. >> everybody, we're taking your calls live. breaking news in the michael jackson investigation. the verdict is in. tonight's wi

. >> to ellie jostad, nancy grace producer, any word on her demeanor that morning when she left the house? >> though. that's a good question. we haven't heard from anyone at the gym yet although her husband, the would-be victim in this case claims before she left for the gym she promised she'd bring him back starbucks. >> isn't that ironic because it is that thai actually met at a starbucks and for someone that maybe didn't work, starbucks takes money, right? that's an interesting aspect to this case. to be continued a lot more in this case. it's not over because she has now been charged with solicitation for murder. >>> and now tonight's "cnn heroes." >>> i was coming at night and i see this computer thrown out. i found everything was perfect. so many computers were thrown out and so much computers are needed where i grew up in kenya and so i decided i must do something. my name is jude ndambuki and i refurbish discarded computers and send them to schools in kenya. schools in kenya have few resources. a pencil is hard to get. any part i can play to make the life of kids better, it's grea

ellie jostad, what can you tell me? could this explain motive for murder?not that i think it's valid, but if jenkins, her husband, finds out she just spent two or three days with her ex, here are the photos to prove it. >> right. yeah. this guy actually was married to jasmine fiore from about 2004 to about 2005. as he explained, he was in prison. he just got out. apparently around august 11th or 12th. she went and picked him up. they apparently celebrated, spent some time at the beach. there are also reports they may have spent the night there together. we don't know if ryan jenkins knew about it, but that would explain a lot of things. >> but, ellie, back to what any know about the night or two before she was murdered, wasn't she sending -- going to the restroom at a restaurant or the poker game and sending a lot of text messages on her cell phone and witnesses say jenkins became furious, wanting to know who are you texting, who are you calling? >> exactly. he kept asking her apparently according to people who were there, who is that on the phone and she s

. >> to ellie jostad, nancy grace producer. we've got some criminal background here. i know you did your research. what can you tell us about ronald lee copeland, 37 years old, who now has been arrested? >> well, ronald lee copeland has arrests going back to 1992. convictions going back to 1998. possession of marijuana. trafficking of marijuana. cocaine possession. convicted of disorderly conduct. convicted of domestic violence. convicted of tampering with evidence. a long list of convictions, just there in that county in ohio. >> the charges now, i know you've done your calculations. at least 47 years for copeland if convicted, at this point. what are some of the charges he's currently charged with? >> right. well, he and sasha archer are both looking at six counts of endangering a child. they're also looking at manufacture of methamphetamines, assembly of chemicals, possession of methamphetamines, possession of marijuana, possession of criminal tools, possession of paraphernalia, and those charges, if you put them all together, convicted on all charges, 47 years. no