host: the americans for financial reform's elyse hicks joining us. our firth call -- first call comes from ruth in california, go ahead. caller: good morning. guest: good morning. caller: i'm glad you brought up the subject of bankers and the banking industry with relation to credit cards. my credit card is issued by my bank. my bank is also associated with experience, which is one of those credit agencies. so this wrote -- this is related to the whole thing of harming your credit and all that. they are constantly sending me emails that say, you could pay down your balance better with one of these credit cards with a balance transfer, yada, yada. so i look at them and they do have a pretty good idea of the information that's in my bank account because they are associated with my bank. so if i apply for these cards and am turned down, i'm not so upset about being turned down as the prospect which was given to a really good chance of getting, quote unquote, this choice chosen especially for you. but when we apply for a credit card, even if we don't get