i went in the 1980's i think it was and one of the things i wanted to do is see emily rogers. who was this woman that had enraptured of war but of course 50 years had passed or 40 years and so she was no longer a slip of a girl, she was a 60-year-old levy now married and a grandmother indeed, married to the chief islander, restaurant last -- mr. glass. i walked through the village of the seven seas as there are only about 40 houses to where they lived and there was her husband he's a guy understand you are a writer and i said yes and he said i imagine you are here to see emily and i said i would like to. he said absolutely not. that story was so embarrassing to me and to her and everyone on the island. he and emily were the only to i ever got to see. so i did all sorts of other things. then i was living at the time and wrote a book. i quoted those paragraphs from the book because they were beautiful it was a very tender piece of writing about a young naval officer and i thought i knew more about. then in the 1990's i was lecturing on the islands like south georgia and the falk

rogers. says emily miller. he's a native american. he's the first one that uncovered rightfully so, the dealing with jack abramoff. tom rogers confronted jack abramoff and said your people in cash gains with reporters. members of congress mostly staff, lobbyist. jack said i can't recall. at that point in time, i had played cards with bresh le han money. -- i had paid him money. i knew think had some card games going. i felt that was important to reveal in the process. i don't think that should occur. i felt that he had his cake and eat it too in the way he would carry out stories on people. he himself as a reporter was making terrible violations of the rules and the ethics and even the smell of the ethics involved with staffers and lobbyist. the other thing is there was an arrangement of jack abramoff. jack had a plan where he can control media. >> what kind of worry did you have? you accused john of taking money but you say in the book that you let him win the card games. >> i don't say he knew that. i'm sitting there and the card gam

rogers was in there and neil my former chief of staff has a book. there's the movie by kevin spacey, who plays jack abramoff, i like spacey. in that movie it shows emilie miller scorned by mike. >> had to work for tom delay. >> that was a hollywood version. tom rogers started all of this. i praise him for starting all of this. he stood up on behalf of native- americans. he found out something was going on that didn't look like. when you get to a certain level and you use members of congress to verify that this is a great lobbyist. the native-americans unfortunately aren't getting that much a return, then it's not a healthy situation. tom rogers simply told the truth. >> fox com, what's that story? >> the federal government wanted to indict me for fox com so bad that pretty alice was salivating to do this. at the end of the day fox com was one of the weird contracts that the actual providers were the ones who decided. members of congress their time is extremely valuable. when they go to vote, they go underground or above ground. when you go underground the cell phones literally would not work. chairman thomas, there was a contract to wire under the capi