can you give me any evidence that either in the eric garner case or michael brown case any evidence that this is racial in any way? >> i certainly not here to say that. right. what i'm here to say -- >> but really i have not seen it and nor has anyone presented it to me. but people are using this to be a racial incident. >> well, i think what we haven't seen is talking about evidence we haven't seen a trial. so we've argued o.j. we've argued rodney king. we argued casey anthony. now we're arguing a grand jury process? >> no, we're not actually arguing a grand jury process. let's forget that for a moment. we have an interaction between a cop and a criminal. they wrestle for a gun. at that point the police officer's not thinking are you black, are you white, are you hispanic -- >> how do you know all this? >> because you can cite example after example. >> what example? what trial evidence do you have -- >> they released the evidence. all the evidence. the evidence the grand jury saw. >> in new york we have no evidence. >>ic i think they should release it all. >> because the grand jury give

i think they're taking advantage of the michael brown and other situations, eric garner for their own personal gain. it's not about eric garner or michael brown in this particular case. lou: i'm curious how you distinguish between the ferguson grand jury non--indictment and the new york non-indictment. in both cases, the attorney general has promised a federal probe. in each case. what do you think? >> yeah. (?) you know, the one thing i know for a fact. this is not about race. it has nothing to do with officers or a police officer being racist. it's just that they're injecting that because that's what liberals do what they do when they want what they want. it's unfortunate that eric garner died, you know. but you still have to consider, he resisted arrest at the time. they tried to get him to allow to put handcuffs on. he refused to do it. i don't think when they took him down the plan was to kill him. lou: no. i agree. here's where i'll disagree. and i admire the heck out of you. and how brave you are because you say things in the face of public sentiment that says the opposite. in garner's case i feel sympathy because he said

the suspect linked the crime to unrest or the police involved deaths of eric garner or michael brown. one officer was shot in baltimore, another killed in florida. kurdish peshmerga say they are making gapes. that's where the minority has been trapped under control. the wounded are tracked at a base north korea has threatened an attack for the recent cyber attacks on sony pictures. the u.s. claims that the government was involved in making the comedy the interview. they attacked sony in response to the film. it is sunday night and time for our regular look at the week ahead. the organization of arab petroleum exporting companies, or o.p.e.c. is meeting in the united arab emirates. it's similar to o.p.e.c. put includes only arab countries, it comes at a time when falling prices has made headlines. because certain producers decided to keep supply up and prices down. we begin with a look at geopolitician for oil. >> on friday, oil closed at $62 a barrel. down 40% since june. last week, driven by saudi arabia, o.p.e.c. chose not to cut supplies. >> o.p.e.c. does not specify a price. we fr

any use of the names of eric garner or michael brown in conjunction with violence or the killing of police is reprehensible. i and others have called for stopping violence, not perpetuating it. >> joining me now milwaukee county sheriff david clarke. sheriff clarke, good to see you again. you have difficulty understanding that's the same man who got up there and said that police basically executed michael brown without feeling for any threat to their own lives, which was against the evidence. but that's what he told everybody in ferguson and the world. and now today after calling the cops cockroaches, and you got to turn on the light to flush them out, he's all praise for law enforcement. your thoughts. >> phony. that's what he is. al sharpton's a cartoon. i don't know why the media continues to put a camera and a microphone in front of his face -- >> because the white house is using him as their pointman on race issues. >> i get that. i'm not going to engage in hyperbole, but al sharpton has created a pathway to the police hatred across america. he doesn't believe a word of what he said t

whether this vow to put wings on pigs and references to the eric garner or michael brown cases is just a protest or violent rampage. that rampage began in baltimore where brinsley shot his ex-girlfriend. authorities say she is expected to survive. >>> new york city is not the only city reeling from the shooting of a police officer. in tarpon springs, florida, 45-year-old charles kondek was shot and killed sunday morning. he was a 17-year-old veteran of the tampa department. he served five years in the new york department before that. a spokesperson says a 23-year-old suspect is in custody there. >>> now to the other story this morning. north korea warning overnight that the huge cyber attack on sony is just the beginning. a new statement from pyongyang steadfastly denied the hack on sony, but claims the u.s. government was behind the making of the picture "the interview." president obama taking a cautious approach. he tells cnn's candy crowley as cyber vandalism. not cyber war. >> we will be in an environment in this new world where so much is digitalized. that state and non state acto

allowing an unexpect exception for students who postponed exams if they felt traumatized by eric garner or michael brown grand jury decisions they can take their test later. normally schools allow exams to be postpone in case of illness or family member's debtor for religious observance but officials say this is an unusual time, diverse student body, many students taken part in these protests and is there concern that the cases might be a distraction. in addition to allowing students to postponed exams, columbia has arranged for a trauma specialist to meet with students on campus if needed. >> happening today a report detailing harsh interrogation tactics from the cia are released. american embassies and military units are bracing for threats in response to it. that report covers the cia's use of torture following 9/# one terror attacks. this is first public account of those tactics and many u.s. officials that are familiar with the report say the document alleged that harsh interrogations failed to produce useful intelligence. >>> alcohol in the past has been linked to cancer but could crack open a bot

any use of the names of eric garner or michael brown in conjunction with violence, or the killing of police, is reprehensible. i and others have called for stopping violence, not perpetuating it. as we mourn the deaths of these officers, we must be focused, though, on solving deep-seeded problems. not exacerbating them. joining me now is the widow of eric garner and eric garner's mother. thank you both for being here tonight. >> thank you so much for having us. >> you've been calling for peace since your husband was the victim of the chokehold case, and you and your mother-in-law have stood yesterday and identified with the pain of these officers' families. what is your thought in the wake of this tragedy? >> i think that it's horrible. i think that there's another wife out there without her husband coming home that night. there's another children that don't have their father to come home at night. there's christmas coming. you know, the holidays are less than three days away. i don't even know if i'm going to be okay in three days, but i just want to express my condolences to the fa

eric garner's family. thank you very much. really appreciate it. >> yeah. >> when we talk about what's happening with eric garner or michael brown or tamir rice in cleveland, there's a sense in which people talk about black lives matter and they talk about police and they talk about the kind of gap that opens up between communities of color in particular and police. but there are of course many people who live in both of those worlds. my next guest is one of them. eric adams is the borough president of brooklyn but he spent 22 years as an nypd officer, as a captain in fact. was the founding member of 100 black law enforcement officers who care. an organization of black law enforcement officers. you then went on to be a state legislator. you're now brooklyn borough president. that sound from the head of the patrolmen's benevolent association, that the mayor threw them under the bus, what's your reaction to that? >> i don't think that's true. the pba, pat lynn chrks he's going to protect his members. the mayor has to protect all the people of the city of new york and ensure we have effective policy. so he's going to do and say what he believes is

when they got here, they made it clear that whether it be for eric garner or michael brown that these protests will continue. >> jason, what's the status of the police investigation into the officer now? i understand they say it will intensify this investigation. >> reporter: that's correct. now that the grand jury has completed its investigation, they will move forward with their internal investigation to try and determine whether or not this officer violated policy. what they could end up doing is interviewing more officers, holding their own trial, if you will, of sorts. ultimately what it will come down to is the police commissioner of new york city, william bratton. he will ultimately decide what, if any, punishment this officer could face. >> meanwhile we know that mayor deblasio here in new york has written a letter regarding the eric garner decision. he takes it very personally. he has a son that is by racial, his wife is african-american. anymore about what he's saying in terms of plans to improve some of the relations between police and the community in the city here? >> rep

even though the killing of eric garner opens our documentary, i think anybody who thinks that what is happening right now is only about eric garner or only about michael brown, is really missing what is happening in black america. what is fascinating to hear the chief talk about what they're focused on. he has build community, talks about culture, talked about transforming how you interact with people. that you actually realizing is that retraining, talked about cameras. it's a different philosophy. african americans feel they are treat differently in the criminal justice system. there is aggressive targeting of black people that doesn't happen in white communities. it's thatting aer over so many years that really percolating up now. >> schieffer: do you think that is a valid feeling that they are being treat differently? >> look at the statistics. if you look in new york stop and frisk measures between -- these are police members we looked at them. between 2002 and 2012 there were five million. 8% were blacks and latinos. 90% of those people who were stopped, 90%, that did not move on to an arrest even to a summons. those people had done nothing. 90% of th

former police officer, do you think it's the case that tamir rice in cleveland or eric garner in new york or michael brown in ferguson had been white they might be alive today? >> potentially. i just saw video yesterday on facebook where someone was illustrating the difference between how white subjects and black subjects are handled. it showed middle-aged, little older white guy in the street with an assault rifle. and the calls went in complaining about this guy and the police arrived and listened to him for ten minutes tell them what they would and wouldn't do about him having the assault rifle. ultimately, they approach him after about ten minutes. he puts the gun down, they unload the gun, sit down next to him and begin a conversation. it's not audible what they're discussing. but if that had been michael brown or eric garner or any black man in this country, i believe he would have been fired upon almost immediately as was tragically 12-year-old tamir down in cleveland where the officers hadn't even exited the vehicle before they opened fire on this kid. >> yeah, it's a tragic story. you bring this

their complaints go well beyond what happened in the choke hold death of eric garner, or ferguson's michael brownnry that was shot, and we want to push for a special prosecutor. >> in cleveland, where a grand jury was empaneled after 12-year-old rice was shot by police for brandishing what turned out to be an air pistol, the family has filed a wrongful suit against the officers and city. a grand jury will now hear evidence in the killing of a 28-year-old girlie, an unarmed man shot and killed by police two weeks ago. >> all his hopes and dreams are taken away from him, so innocently. it's not right. i need justice for my son. >> but in the wake of ferguson and garner decision, some are questioning the grand jury decision. >> the system itself is clearly problematic and ridden with conflicts when it comes to investigating police officers. >> some legal experts say secret see allows those that are not indicted to move on without bias. and new york's governor said what the system has now is a perception problem. >> people have to believe they are represented by the justice system or we have a fundam

part of the problem i have here is taking aberrations like an eric garner or what happened to michael brown and turning them in topretend he was not the norm. the black homicide rate by contrast is more than 6300 per year. 18 per day. and almost all of them are black perpetrato perpetrators. people are taking exceptions, trying to turn them into the norm. this is not about common behavior. bratton also said the police are in the communities because that's where the 9/11 calls originated. and i don't like the idea of this narrative, the poor people in the communities need the cops there. >> brent is right, that is crucial to this. perhaps we can get collarly on exactly what the complaint is here. is the complaint that people occasionally get killed in confrontations with the police? is it about the techniques they use when get iting -- there are those who criticize the broken window model. the idea to target minor offenses because if you don't they turn into bigger offenses. there's a school of thought now that should stop and only go after a major crime. at what point will the police step b

that their complaints go well beyond what happened in the chokehold death of eric garner, or ferguson's michael brown. >> you can talk about kenneth sr. that was shot in the projects, d.j. henry. there's never a special prosecutor in case of police killings. >> reporter: in cleveland where a grand jury was impanelled after 12-year-old tamir rice was shot by police for brandishing what turned out to be an air pistol, his family has filed a wrongful death law enforcement against the officers and the city. while in brooklyn, the grand jury will hear evidence in the killing of 28-year-old akai gurley, an unarmed man shot and killed by police two weeks ago. >> all his hope and dreams and aspiration are taken away from him so innocently. it's not right. i need justice for my son. >> hands up. >> reporter: in the wake of the ferguson and garner decisions, some are now questioning the grand jury system. long hailed as a way to weed out weaker cases. >> the system itself is clearly problematic and ridden with conflicts when it comes to investigating police officers. >> reporter: but some legal experts say sec

michael brown and eric garner. . >> i see myself when i hear about oscar grand or trayvon martin or michael brown. it is not something distant from me. it is close and personal. i have family members and friends harassed by mese. >> i have seen -- police. >> i have seen my community be effected by police brutality, by the militarization of our police department. >> reporter: protesters had hoped to cost the school money but officials said most students eat on a meal plan so the losses were minimal. >> john, thank you. >>> former secretary of state hillary clinton weighed in on the controversial grand jury decisions. >> i am very pleased that the department of justice will be investigating what happened in ferguson or staten island. those families and those communities and our country deserve a full and fair accounting as well as whatever reforms are necessary to ensure a quality, justice and respect for every citizen. >> hillary clinton was attending a we mean's leadership forum. she said our system is out of balance and hopes these tragedies give the nation an opportunity work on the system. and

or distracting. among the ideas floated-- a town hall on racial divisions, an event highlighting black and white churches building racial reconciliation, trips to memorialize michael brown or eric garneror an ambitious national speech on race. >> the speech that needs to be had ultimately is the speech about citizenship and democracy. >> reporter: ben jealous led the n.a.a.c.p., from 2008 to 2013. >> this president's greatest power is to call citizens of this country into action to shape the future of their country. er should not give that up. >> reporter: top advisers bristle at accusation the president is awol. ceme describe an intense push for law enforcement reform built around the president's new task amrce due to report in early march. mr. obama spoke to its leader, philadelphia police chief charles ramsey, and new york police commissioner bill bratten, hours after the police murders. in addition, top white house adviser valerie jarret counseled new york mayor bill de blasio on ways to reduce tension. absent grand public gestures, ore president has tried to balance respect for law enforcement with calls for new methods and youthful activism, as he did on b.e.t.'s "106 and park."

not sure if the shooting is connected to michael brown or eric garner.weekend to push theirtq: messagf equality. this die-in in montgomery county and also protests of two grand juries that refuse to indict police officers of shootings of unarmed black men. they went to three locations to hold die-ins. dozens of officers from a number of jurisdictions. all is peaceful but some tell nbc10, this is interrupting business. a similar scene today at the christianea mall in=ét delaware. their message is clear. black lives matter. we'll have more on the protest and their impacts on the malls on nbc10 news at 11:00. >>> this comes on super saturday. one of the busiest shopping days of the year. monique braxton live at the plit ut mall with that story. monique? >> reporter: most malls, there is a lull in the crowd because it's the dinner hour. but if you look at the parking lot, if this is an indication and according to what security guard tells us, their parking lot has been jam-packed all day long. the foot traffic here at white marsh jewelers has been phenomenal

he specifically mentioned michael brown and eric garner and other postings as well of self-dispair or anger over where his life is right now. right now we have no gang affiliation at all. he has no tattoos to suggest anything of it and no religious statements that we found on instagram at all. time line of yesterday's events. 5:30 he enters his girlfriend's apartment in maryland with a key he's not supposed to have. they have known each other for about a year and have since broken up. she is confronted by exgirlfriend and argument ensues. that exgirlfriend calls her mother on her phone and the mother hears part of the arm. the phone is then hung up and at about 5:50, calls come into 911 of shots fired -- a single shot fired. the exgirlfriend identifies brinsley as the shooter and he takeser if phone as well. you see the picture of the gentleman that we have, that we recovered from georgia. at about 6:05 in the morning, he calls the mother on her phone, the girlfriend's mother on the phone and says he shot her by accident and that he hopes she lives. baltimore county police department

the crystallization that this is not just about eric garner in new york or about michael brown in fergusonause they've helped to noteivate, if you will, this movement. but it's about tamir rice and now this has a new national dimnession. with, i believe, the president with the task force you and i had a chance to participate in the announcement of that, creating an opportunity for there to be solid recommendations around police reform. >> now you mentioned two cases that we've been involved in and the whole nation has been watching. but the fbi says there was 461 justifiable shootings by police last year. that's the most in two decades. even more disturbing is the fact that these numbers may be underreported, since not all police departments supplied this data. how can we even address the problem when we don't know what the real numbers are? >> those numbers give us at least, reverend, a starting point. a place to start. we know there were reported by local police departments 461, if you will, shootings by citizens -- of citizens by police. i think what i would say is that we need to ensur

a civil lawsuit in the death of michael brown, or eric garner could result in millions in reword to the families of the dead -- reward to the families, depending on the circumstances. lawyers hand out millions in the case of the defective ignition switches in the case of general motors. another form of gruesome maths comes in to play. the law adminer straiting g.m.'s mine starts with the million dollar life's loss, and tailors each victim's occupation, and $300,000 for each dependent spouse. that's been provided to victims of the september 11th attacks, the 2011 spill. the practical math of death. in the case of awards determined in court a stranger ash tract -- abstract comes into life. it's applied in unfatal injuries and like being maimed in an accident. it's applied to the living. it's a way of thinking about the price, the value of life. accidental teeth feels random. that's part of what makes it brutal. sad. death is everywhere. our society developed a cold brutal math to cope with it. we put a price tag on tragedy. >> things can be tougher in washington state. a voter improved la

which is why we still found ousts ourselves shocked when we hear or read about what happened to michael brown, shawn bell or eric garner koumd that happen? we turn to the day-to-day harshness and find a way to escape the truth that there was more to do after the marches stopped and affirmative action was put in place. no doubt, enormous strides had been made since the days plaques were water hosed for wanting an education or refused service at a lunch counter. but there still remains so much unsettled business buried beneath the surface of that relationship. and let's be honest about it. this racial dynamic may have many hues to it. but its primary colors have been and will remain black and white. black and white america is quick to place the blame on the systemic issues of poor education, unemployment militarized police drugs and a host of other ills and we are very right to do so. but we are disconcertingly uncomfortable with addressing the underlying issue of race. how race is used by whites against the black community and as an excuse by blacks for harm we often do to ourselves. we do not live in a post-racial amer

, sometimes violence, have broken out after learning police will not be charged in the michael brown or eric garner killing. president obama's interview airs tomorrow >>> six detainees from guantanamo bay arrive in uruguayan. four syrians, a tunisian and palestinians. the country accepted the prisoners on humanitarian grounds. this is the first batch of detainees to be taken to south america. they were held at suspected al qaeda affiliates since 2002 and cleared for release in 2009. the u.s. government cannot find a country that would accept them in refugees. andy gallagher explains why it is significant. >> well, it is significant. this is the largest number of detainees from guantanamo bay released into the western hemisphere. many countries have taken a few here and there. key to understanding all this, understanding why it's taking so long to close guantanamo bay is finding host nations. the u.s. is finding it difficult to find countries and governments willing to take the men in. uruguay's president calls this a humanitarian act, saying the men will be treated as refugees. remember president o

michael garner and eric bro-- michael brown and er garner with police. >> this is an isolated incident like the police shooting of dante parker in san bernardino county orrleans. >> california district attorney mike ramos pushed back staying stewart got the facts wrong he was tased not shot. you are right re donte parker. put him in the list of shootings monday. larger point still stands. rolling stone magazine is changing its apology over the university of virginia rape story. kelly wright has the story. >> they are apologizing for the rape in arizona. they are taking the sole responsibility of the story that is filled with chris discrepa y discrepanci discrepancies. a woman claims she was gang raped at a fraternity on uva campus. will dunn in a statement says these mistakes are on rolling stone not on jackie adding we apologize to any one who was affected by this story and we will continue to investigate the events of that evening. on friday the magazine said its trust in jackie was misplaced. that caused am so to accuse rolling stone of blaming the rape victim. it is drawing fire for lacking journalistic integrity. she never questioned drew who jacki

michael brown. or the new york policeman who put a deadly chokehold on eric garner. >> i can't breathe!the issues are so difficult, even president obama had to search for the right words. >> when you're dealing with something is deeply rooted as racism or bias, in any society you have to have vigilance. but you have to recognize it is going to take some time, and you just have to be steady. >> but many americans one swift action on the issue of police violence. in baltimore i met up with a woman who last spring had a traumatic running with the police -- run-in with the police. >> i drove up to here, i saw the guy on the ground. the police was kicking him, so i recorded. they told me i could not record, they pulled me out of the car and taste me and -- tased me and arrested me. >> they confiscated her mobile and erased the video. what the police didn't know, her mobile phone had automatically uploaded the video to a website. >> first we tried to go to internal affairs to expose the video to them and the police department but they would not respond. after several meetings we realize our l

or arrests thus far. they are marching for eric garner. they're marching for michael brown.they're marching also for the 12-year-old who was shot with the toy gun. what they're asking for is really a couple of things. they're asking for -- they say it's an institutional race system. they're also asking for the police officer daniel pantaleo to be prosecuted. they're asking for the prosecutor's office to look at these cases, separate prosecutor panel to look at these cases. these are just some of the things they're asking for. this protest has been going on for the better part of 2 1/2 hours, organized by a multitude of different groups, and they're planning on going throughout the night protesting -- institutional failure and really police brutality not only in new york but throughout the country. >> bryan, it's a big crowd out there, indeed. thank you very much for that report. >>> new york city's police union trying to ban mayor bill de blasio from their funerals. the union is urging its members to sign a waiver for the request. mayor de blasio is calling the effort deeply

only as a show of support for michael brown or eric garner.ut from the police perspective, they look at that and say, you know, that it's an anti-police statement. what you're saying is the reason the person can't breathe is because of inappropriate use of force by a police officer. and i think that's where it gets difficult to separate whether you're -- we're supporting the protesters or whether you're just anti-police. and you have seen this lately in new york. you got the video of the police officers not wearing a mask, not wearing protective clothing and just punched right in the face on camera. and then the other two officers that were trying to keep somebody from dumping a trash can on to the traffic below on the brooklyn bridge, and they both end up in the hospital being checked out after they get punched and kicked and beaten on the street. i think that we have to be very careful. >> understood. >> people are talking about the protesters in new york recently shouting on the street that we want police to be killed. >> yeah. >> i think n

the nba, college basketball teams were wearing a shirt, denouncing the cops or supporting michael brown and supporting eric garner. i would say this week as a show of respect. >> we have to wait and see if that's going to happen in the near future. >> we'll move on from this and return to that subject of what's happened here in new york city as it makes news this hour. but for now, politics, she may be the favorite, but not all democrats are getting behind the former secretary of state hillary clinton for president in 2016. we'll tell you about the machine, putting some serious cash and energy behind liberal senator elizabeth warren. and hackers, threatening an attack on americans over the movie the interview. of course sony yanked it from theaters. but the president is calling this cyber vandalism, not terrorism. which you know would be an act of war. by many measures. why lawmakers do not like the way this president is calling this vandalism, they want it to be called what it is. stay close. i've always loved exploring and looking for something better. that's the way i look at life. especially now that i live w

understand, certainly, when -- when michael brown died in or eric garner in staten island died -- you have wonder when you see the men conversation with those folks, he wasn't resisting arrest, he was trying to talk them out of arresting him. whether he should of been arguing back or not, did he need to be taken down the wasn't ld when he exhibiting any resistance? come to tion has to mind -- with the chicken this way if he were white' that is all. now a twitter hashtag young white fellow who wanted white americans to they got away with indiscretion. that is going to be an interesting exercise because there is a lot of debate over whether it still exists at all. obviously, i think it still exist for white people. it is not like i'm making a to talk plea by wanting about it, the but, yes, race is still an important issue in our society. but we don't need to give all it, when e to obviously classis growing as a determinant on your chances for success in life. host: and tom is calling in from california. independent line. caller: hi. thank you for taking my call. the caller just talked b

politically, tragically, whether it be the shooting death of michael brown or the chokehold death or alleged chokehold death of eric garnerese are two incidents, and in no way am i minimizing them, but two incidents, and this president projects that into a national, national crisis, a national problem. and calls for the retraining of 35,000 police officers, about 25,000 of those 35,000 who are street cops who will have to go through training. yet the president calls for no response from the community of new york, of ferguson, missouri. the attorney general basically denigrates all of law enforcement, and the president, the president is denigrating american society as racist. how do we get beyond this? >> with better and more effective leadership than we're getting out of think about right thousand in washington d.c. look -- now in washington d.c. look, it's pretty obvious that ferguson, missouri, what happened in new york, tragic incidents. these are not a microcosm of anything. those are local stories for local communities to deal with. it's getting tiring for me and other officers who put this uniform on to be used as a

just like michael brown, accused of stealing some cigarettes, or cigars, excuse me, michael brown, accused of stealing some cigars. eric garner, accused of selling some cigarettes. i don't know when possession and or sale of tobacco merited a death penalty in this country. both of of them -- ose cases involved tobacco products. both of them involved men, black men, with their hands up in the don't shoot position. . th of them were killed both cases handled in a secret grand jury process. we don't know the names of the grand jurors. we don't know what went on in the grand jury room. although we do have a transcript in the michael brown case and it shows that a lot of injustice was done in that grand jury room which resulted in an unjust no bill against the police officer involved in that case. we don't know what happened in the new york case. but we got a result a no bill, against that police officer. , just caught on tape like in the rodney king case, ll caught on tape. eric garner caught on tape, the killing, but still no justice done. cameras are not the sole answer, it appears. t runs deeper than a camera. these are dark d

reverend al sharpton issued statement saying quote any use of the names of eric garner and michael brown in connection with any violence or killing every police is reprehensible, and against the pursuit of justice in both cases judge grand jury decisions in ferguson, new york, dozen interrupted shoppers at the king of prussia mall yesterday during one of the busiest shopping days of the year. they marched with signs, and stage add die-in calling for an ends to police brutality. >> in cleveland yesterday, the 12 year old boy who was holding a fake gun when police shot and killed him, outside recreation center last month. they then marched to a police station, and held several other rallies throughout the day and evening. >> bus traveling from chicago to atlanta, 68 people, were on board, and investigators believe the bus' speed and wintery conditions may have contributed to that crash. >>> north korea says, it is not responsible for the cyber attack on sony, but the white house isn't buying it. government officials stand by the f.b.i. conclusion that north korea is to blame. that country's foreign ministry has proposed joi

al sharpton issued statement saying, quote, any use of the names of eric garner and michael brown in connection with any violence orolice is reprehensible and against the pursuit every justice in both cases. >> here in our area we continue to see peaceful protest in ferguson, new york, dozen staged die in at the king of prussia mall during one of the busiest shopping weekends of the year. >> crowds, christmas music, drowned out like protesters, at the king of prussia mall. some shoppers approved while others shook their heads at the protesters chanting black lives matter saturday afternoon, shut it off our cell phones as the crowds moved from spot to spot. the first die in lasted four and a half minutes, ten minute, and the thirds, 15. they marched inbetween each one. >> mall security wouldn't let us bring our cameras inside. the king every prussia mall just the latest high profile location, for a die-in protest like this one, just few weeks ago, saw it after a philadelphia eagles game. at the largest mall in minnesota, hundred cents gathered at the mall of america, to protest what they called system is police brut

we get carried away with the details of what michael brown was doing or eric garner. >> we agree, the situation is large. the situation is large. the question of whether black men trust police, or whether police react differently to blacks or hispanics is a larger question. in your sense has new york--how has new york dealt with these things? >> new york has dealt with them at times, and dealt with them terribly at other times. it's gotten better under bill de blasio and bill brattan. they've made an effort to stop this practice of stop and frisk, where young men predominantly of color are stopped on the street and asked to prove that they're not carrying weapons. they've identified the issue. they've talked a lot about it. does this change a situation like this. everyone has seen the videotape, and it's a powerful videotape. >> as you pointed out there were many people who expected that there would have been an indictment. >> this is not a picture of stop and frisk. tell me about this. >> there are these stops. it is a police tool that ray kelly, the previous police commissioner was

but this is why we keep having these conversations, whether it's in the michael brown case or the eric garnerf them is different, by the way. but there's a perception that it's not fair. >> and perception feeds reality. so that's where we have to be as transparent as possible to get through these things so that there's not this question. >> i have an entirely different case coming up. please stick around if you would. >>> this was one of those things that left me scratching my head for a while. do you remember this? >> [ inaudible ]. >> if you're reading those little words, you see representative grimm, a sitting congressman threatening a reporter saying, i'll throw you off the balcony if you asking me something like that again. guess what? that congressman is in some big trouble, but it has nothing to do with the threat. it has to do with something far, far worse. that's next. i have the worst cold with this runny nose. i better take something. dayquill cold and flu doesn't treat your runny nose. seriously? alka-seltzer plus cold and cough fights your worst cold symptoms plus your runny nose

we see children like michael brown and eric garner and trayvon martin, we see our own families and our own loved ones. ask any latin american parent, whether they live in a suburb or housing project, they will tell you they fear for their children's safety every time they leave the house. rather than thinking of the police as public servants who'll protect their children, too often they think of them as the harshest their children have to face. i think of my daughter jessica. she was stopped because she was car.ng in too nice of a she was with her friends in her own neighborhood. her mom and dad apparently made the mistake of living in a neighborhood they could afford to live in. not one the police officer thought she should be living in. i was stopped and refused admission to this capitol complex early in my years because, as a capitol hill police officer said i didn't , look like a congressman. it is dangerous when the shooter has a badge or gun. i appreciate your hard work law enforcement officers do to keep our community safe. we have worked to get more cops on the streets, to invest in violence reduction programs and make sure we honor and pay police officers

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al sharpton issued a statement saying, quote, any use of the names of eric garner and michael brown in connection with any violence orf police is reprehensible, and against the pursuit of justice in both cases. >> meanwhile, here in our area, dozens every protesters held peaceful demonstration yesterday, in response to the grand jury decisions in ferguson and also in new york. they staged die-in at the king every prussia mall during one of the busiest holiday shopping days of the season. "eyewitness news" reporter matt rivers has that story. >> crowds and christmas music drowned out by protesters at the king every prussia mall. some shoppers approved, while others shook their heads. at the protesters chanting black lives matter saturday afternoon. we shot all of it off of our cell phones, as the crowds moved from spot to spot. the first die-in lasted four and a half minutes, the second, ten minutes, and the thirds, 15. they marched inbetween each one. >> that video is little shake year than usual, that's because mall security wouldn't let us bring our cameras inside. the king of prussia mall just the latest high prof

, college basketball teams who are wearing the shirts denouncing the cops or supporting michael brown and supporting eric garner, i would say this week as a show of respect, why don't they wear shirts defending the nypd as a sign of solidarity to the two police officers who were killed in the prime of life, who were assassinated in a tragic assassination and murder, which takes us back to the 1970s? my father was a cop then. i remember that whole period, how terrible it was, how tough it was, and there's no reason we should go back to it. i thought we had gotten beyond that but rhetoric today, unfortunately, i think is creating a climate which is bringing back the 1970s. >> well, once again, the country is desperate for leadership and desperate for somebody or something to bring us together. how can we come together, congressman? >> i would say if the president and the mayor and others would tone down the rhetoric, if they would not assume that the cop is guilty from day one, and if they could have a real debate -- not have people like al sharpton at the meeting but having intelligent people on both sides, havi