when you expunge a record, that means you lied to society.ou're telling a person to go into a job who one day ask you, did you commit a crime, you put no down, you're a liar. that's not a good citizen. we have the right to know a person has been through the system. but they have a right to come out as well. >> the individual that isn't lying, the politicians that passed the law, elected official also in the legislature passed the law stating that. so here in the law it's not lying. >> if they asked you you committed a crime, and you say no, you're lying. >> excuse me. not if the elected officials have voted such. >> you're still lying. i wouldn't want to be put in a position to lie. >> larry: pat, let him finish. >> an expungement for the most part is just that, it takes it off your record, so it's no longer on your record. >> larry: so you get a better job. >> correct. the purpose of which is that. >> larry: dog, what do you think of that? >> well, you know, i used to put will discuss. because you're not going to get a job. you're not going

i do not call it expunge because there's no true excitement, but the dismissals, they are not eligible for that which makes it hard to get jobs because most job applications ask a question about criminal history and convictions. they cannot lawfully answer no convictions. then, they are subject to extensive criminal background checks from commercial companies, and i know quarries will talk about the impact of that. they cannot work. the zero court fines and fees often, and they cannot pay his back, which means they can i get dismissal even when they are off probation. you can see the cycle that goes on here. people do not know that they are not eligible for applying for fire services after many of these. we have had clients pick up new misdemeanors for applying to own a firearm. sometimes, what was really happen is people would pay a great deal of money to get into some of the technical schools, truck driving schools. they want to become a certified businesses and, these low-wage jobs. they pay money to go through the training programs and graduate and find out they are ineligible for

in china i mean this is a world wide problem and i don't see where it's being addressed to would expungethe koran i am allowed what is it not can you wait on what does this have to do with mainstream islam in america why would you have a picture of the prophet mohammad which i have right here with his face replaced with that of a pig on your blog if you don't have a problem with islam. first of all i don't know where it is in america that you can't make jokes or make fun i mean you had a drop of maple sugar put across it or you may have to drop it on my bed as a pig. who kids what difference does it make i mean this is america someone somewhere is a great good long as you know be on miss understanding of islam in america do you think that's a good thing to do i have to tell you there's nothing you think that's a good thing that we already know islam is the nothing worse than the islamic anti-semitism and i don't hear you saying a word about it now are you going to spread in islam a phobia. no i'm not trying to spread islamophobia i'm trying to spread openness and you know what we are ope

sent to state prison, there is a seven-year waiting period before you can fight to have your record expunged through a pardon process. our third panel will be talking about that issue. so we've got a great program for you today. and i know you're going to enjoy it. i'm now going to introduce two speakers. two great leaders who are the heads of two of the most progressive legal organizations in california. the first is arturo gonzalez, the president of the bar association of san francisco. arturo is one of the top trial lawyers in the nation and he's a partner at morrison forester. we've had the pleasure of working with the bar association for -- over the past 20 years to provide services to people who can't afford lawyers when the public defender is not available and so we're very pleased to have arturo here on behalf of the bar association. thank you. [applause] >> thank you. three days ago in one of the most closely watched supreme court cases this term, graham versus florida, the united states superior court forbid the sentences of a juvenile to life in prison without the possibility of p

but i know a man who -- you do not have expungement for any felonies. man who had a funny when he was 19 and he is now 65 who had a felony when he was 19 and he is now 65 years old. are a number of blacks, ex-con, homeless who are hard to employ. i am part of a group that is working with the u.s. department "exit strategy for the homeless community." the person in charge, these jobs, are they going to be billable wage? what jobs -- a livable wage? what jobs can you do to make at least $12 per hour? truck driver or not a mechanic or you are out of luck. how do you respond to that issue of having programs that focus on training and employee in the hard to >> not to be self-serving, but we train of mechanics per we have a two-year school and it does not cost you money and there is no disqualified. you have to be 16 years old. if you can't read or write, come to us. programs -- that one of the return citizens or the illustration on -- there is one program that will be teaching run -- young people and returned citizens have to learn the landscape business. t

there is much to be said about as the excitement of any expungement of any felony. it stays on your record for life. in other programs focus on ex- ahmadicons homeless -- ex-cons and homeless. homeless community. these jobs you can train the homeless to do, will they pay a living wage? she said, what is bad? $24 an hour in d.c. she said she get to $12 an hour. want to make half of what makes you live in d.c., yet to be a mechanic. how do you respond to that issue of having programs that focus on training and employing the hard to employee communities like the homeless? >> not to be self-serving, but we train auto mechanics. we have a two-year school that does not cost any money. if you cannot read or can are right, come to us. us. >> several returned citizens work on this. there will be one program teaching return systems to learn a landscaping business. then they can set up their own businesses and a gifted contract. that is how we need to think. they have skills. if you are selling drugs, you know how to run a business. people are coming from virginia in getting a

so his record was expunged and that whole trial and the terrible way for him that he left the senate, in fact, was cleared. shawn o'keefe, a long-standing, well known figure here in washington, not only was the head of nasa, he was the navy secretary, he was the deputy director of omb, the budget office. he was in the bush '41 and bush '43 us whos, ed '43 white houses and very close to dick cheney. anyone who could have survived that kind of plane crash, it would have been shawn o'keefe, a well known figure in washington and currently the ceo of aeds north america, the north american part of the airbus conglomerate from europe. >> and friendly with ted stevens as well. andrea, thanks for your insight on this. i appreciate it very much. >> all right, now let's get a check of the morning'se stores. natalie morales is in for ann. >>> searchers were following up on tips as they look for an escaped inmate and his alleged accomplice. authorities say the two may be near glacier national park in montana. but some leads indicate they may have gone into canada. a second escaped convict was caug

>> we want whenever they have, returned to us and we want whatever copies they have expunged, erased.what about asking "the new york times," to return them? >> i think that we will review the documents. >> i don't believe that they are currently in possession. >> we are not looking to have a conversation about can we help you redact them? if they want to have a conversation about how they returned the documents, we are happy to have that. >> do you have any confidence that they will do the right thing. question about the remedies that you have to compel? >> this is the appropriate first that. we will see if this requires further steps. >> will this have legal remedies? >> we are the department of defense and cannot make that judgment. we are not alone in that endeavor. the department of justice is also involved and they will have to make judgments about how to proceed. we are going to compel them, to prevail upon them to do the right thing and return the documents and raise them from their web sites so that no more additional harm is done and the potential database for all of our enem

. >> it's been expunged apparently. apparently the guy has lost his job. is, and you keep doing it again. >> there's no boundaries. she didn't learn from jail time and apparently got arrested in south africa for a minutes for having a marijuana cigarette she claimed was not her own. then the charged on that. in corsica the charges were dropped this summer. she always says it's his friend. >> so lindsay lohan -- did she have a court date? what happened? >> she had a visit with her probation officer, and she showed up in a see-through top and her nipples were showing. not exactly -- >> we had to put the bands oifr it. >> the entire ensemble is not something to visit your probation officer. >> by all accounts they say she is, that picture nonetheless. they say that she's taking it quite seriously this time. >> i'm not sure who is saying that, because she has -- >> her mama. >> she spent most of her time going out every night. she was driving a $150,000 maserati rental and went to the scene of former episode. >> you aren't going there to have lunch with your p

want to take my hat off to you for what your doing for the people trying to get the expunged and off their record. i appreciate you for that. but to reiterate on what the sister was talking about with black on black crime. i was looking at president of the added states. he came intel for his birthday. he had to haggle with those people for his -- to come to chicago. all the issues pertaining to black on black crime plays in the lap of the state, which is illinois. the mayor didn't do nothing for the kids. that's blow in smoke up in them little kids. these kids going back to school, all these millions of millions of dollars of the summertime, they didn't get no money, no jobs, i didn't see no busloads of them cleaning up the elderly backyard and cleaning the gutters out. organization is the most powerful tool we have. i'm the chair -- i am determined to make that outrage center. i am the sole proprietor and all the money i get in the male goes toward the facility. i don't get no money from nobody. i pride myself on letting and people know that drugs, alcohol and smoking cigarettes is