eyl.have a feminine in the canal of the place and on the edge of town of the small building a stable pirate checked point. i just had to get to this check point, asked to see the pilots and become one of them. i'll sit around and shoot cod. and so this plan is a little harebrained. some jokester who google. what ended up doing is make contact whose name was mohammed for lay. >> you made it to the e-mail? feed nike e-mailed me back within five minutes. >> you're looking for journalists who relevant. >> guest: yeah, so i just sent him an e-mail, got a response inside than it and he called me the next day as early as he thought i might be a peer to call to 7:00 a.m. i wasn't up, but he spoke to him. it was clear he was very eager. >> host: why do you think he was eager? >> guest: well, his father ended up getting elected president of the region a week before it got there in january january 2009. i was one of 16 candidates in an indirect election. but he came to something like 75% of the vote.

eyl. so i was looking all over the place and i noticed on the edge of town a small building labeled pipe ret check point. [laughter] so i felt okay this is easy i just have to get to this pilot checkpoint i will sit around with them and -- >> host: you knew about that -- >> guest: so this plan was a little hairbrained and it turned off there was no pipe rett checkpoint. what i ended up doing is i made local journalists whose name was mohammed and he had run -- >> host: you may conduct by the way through e-mail or -- >> guest: the e-mail me back within five minutes. host could you were looking for journalists were resonant in any part of somalia. >> guest: yasser light just send an e-mail, got a response in five minutes and he called me the next day probably as early as he thought i might be of so he called at 7 a.m.. i wasn't up, but i spoke to him and it was clear he was very eager. >> host: why didn't she want you to come? >> guest: his father in that getting elected as the region presid

bureaucrats and politicians, but also his family was the same sub clan as a lot of the pirates from eyl all of the original figures who started out fighting against phishing in the '90s, early '90s. were of the sub clan. they were happy to talk to me because i was aghast that basically the de facto head of the clan. >> host: why do you think he want you to come? did he have a message he hopes to get out about the clan, about puntland, about his father? >> guest: it is a program and website. it is a very high quality website. it's not by any means propaganda. it's very, very high quality. for a product that is coming out of somalia with very little funding. it's great quality. definitely pro-government. there's no doubt about that. for all his mission from his father, the president, his mission was to rehabilitate puntland's image on the international stage and puntland had essentially been run into the ground with the previous administration, which controlled the government from two cows and five-2009. and in 2008, that government had been so ineffectual it run out of money to pay the s

eyl is no longer a pirate base. they move all over the place. it's like a game of whack-a-mole. you have to establish more of these garrisons and make it very, very uncomfortable for any pirate to try to launch a mission. >> host: thanks so much for this interview. i think the book is well worth everybody reading. also important for policymakers to begin to look at this and think about it. you deserve a lot of praise for your courage for getting this done. thanks very much. >> guest: thank you. .. >> the booktv series or and topics list on the upper right side of the phase. >> up next on booktv, rebecca tinsley talks about "when the stars fall to earth" about five children who survived the genocide in darfur. the novel is based on tinsley's experiences in sudan and interviews she conducted with survivors of the genocide. this runs about an hour. [applause] >> well, first of all, thank you very much to the american bar association for so kindly providing a venue today. i would also like to thank mike meyer and martha born nick from the darfur interface network for making this pos