i talked to two great political experts, ezra klein and david, about how it happened and what lessons democrats can learn. then one of the intellectual godfathers of maga discusses what to expect for the next four years. >>> i will get the view from overseas with the economists editor in chief. >> this is a magnificent victory for the american people that will allow us to make america great again. >> first, here is my take. at first glance, it would seem easy to explain last tuesday's election as part of a 2024 global wave against incumbents is that by post-covid turmoil and inflation, and the uk saw huge tory parliamentary majority turn into his thinnest minority in the particle is nearly 200 year history. germany's governing coalition has collapsed amid soaring in popularity. emmanuel macron's party was crushed in france's elections for south korea's opposition party dominated in a huge parliament, even in japan, where the ruling party has governed almost uninterrupted since 1955 i'm at the party lost its house of representatives majority. so, it might have been preordained that kam

"new york times" columnist ezra klein putting his fellow democrats on blast for having their heads buriedreaching crime and illegal immigrants sucking up resources, taxpayer money in blue cities. he's encouraging democrats to burst their bubble and get out and talk to some people. >> the thing that surprised me the least about the election was the sharp red shift in his big cities. because if you just talk to anybody who lives in them, they are furious. in this idea, oh, no, the economy is good a crime is actually down or this is all just fox news, like shut the [bleep] up with that. like talk to some people who live near you. the rage i just hear from people in new york, sense of disorder rising, right, not just crime, but homeless encampments, trash on the streets, people jumping term styles and subways, crazy people on the streets, it feels different than it used to be. >> jesse: san francisco voters have finally had enough of the full-blown homelessness and chaos and spiraling and do moving, tossed out the altar progressive mayor london breed and the new guy they put in actually sound

i am with ezra klein on this. he says, demanding senate republicans back gaetz as ag and hegseth as defense secretary is the 2024 version of forcing sean spicer to say, it was the largest inauguration crowd ever. these aren't just appointments. >> absolutely. you are absolutely right. it is about loyalty. this is about forcing his followers to defend the indefensible, and see what they do. from an institutional perspective, confirming remedies is something that only the senate does, the house has no role in that process. it is a part of the senate's special responsibility. if the senate republicans decide to see that responsibility entirely by giving trump the power to do recess appointments, and he has made it clear-- you know, recess appointments were something in the past were used for special circumstances where a post really needed to be filled under an emergency or something like that. no president has ever used the research recess appointment power to his cabinet. that is what trump is going to do. that is

. >> one of your colleagues, ezra klein was arguing that part of the issue the democratic party has rightnow is they haven't been a big ten party, that they have pushed people out of the party, and they have actively rejected some people based on, you know, those people not having, i'm not going to say it as eloquently as him not having the right beliefs or party line beliefs, and he mentions joe rogan as somebody the democrats should have been engaging with much more frequently, but pushed him off to the side believing that he was fringe. >> oh, i think that is absolutely correct, that, you know, there's -- one of my other colleagues, michelle goldberg has this great statement that she said, movements need to be seeking converts more than hunting for heretics. and if you are hunting for heretics, you are shrinking your tent. if you are seeking converts, you're expanding your tent, and by the way, seeking converts means having a more open heart. it means having a more tolerant approach to people. when you're hunting heretics, you're closed, furious, you're angry, off putting to people, in

david, let's follow up on the ezra klein piece. it's a great point.arty goes too far right, they correct in the midterm, and you know, i learned this firsthand when bill clinton got elected in '92, passed a really big tax cut. he was painted as a left ring radical, instead of an arkansas governor we shut down the government, going toward balancing the budget, seen as going too far right. bill clinton got reelected in '96. you know, barack obama, 2008, the same thing, he wins this massive sweeping victory. it's the end of history. two years later, history hasn't ended. the tea party comes in and says it's our turn now. we're going to control washington forever. two years later people are going, yeah, too far. why don't we have you guys balancing each other out. it's very interesting. in '94's realignment, that pushed bill clinton to actually say to jeers from the republican congress, the age of big government is over. he said it. he readjusted. he won in '96. when republicans never thought he could win again. it's the same thing with barack obama. he s