the criminal users didn't know that for more than 18 months, f. b, i captured more than 27 message 27000000 messages between users around the world who had their criminal discussions reviewed, recorded and translated by the f. b, i until the anime platform was taken down yesterday. when you were a poll brought down anchor chat in july 2020 the f b. i saw an increase in the demand for anime. and when f b i indicated sky global ceo indicted sky global ceo and march of this year, the demand for and among criminal groups exploded as they start to find the next brand of device safe for law enforcement. intrusion. during the last 24 to 48 hours . in addition, there have been more than $500.00 rest around the world. authorities have searched more than 700 locations, deploying more than 9000 and law enforcement officers worldwide. and they've seized multi ton quantities of illicit drugs. grand total for the entire investigation include $800.00 arrests and seizures of more than 8 tons of cocaine. 22 tons of erewhon or 2 tons of methamphetamine, and fair to me.

what does the f b i know? ah, ah, cross talking the media, i'm joined by my guess, dave lind, aarp in philadelphia. he's an investigative journalist, founder of the new site. this can't be happening. net in detroit. we have steve gerber. he is a syndicated national radio talk show host and social media influence are and in plymouth we cross the patrick kennings and he's the editor and founder of the 21st century wire dot com. all right, gentlemen, cross stock rules and effects. that means you can jump in anytime you want. let me go to patrick, 1st thing in plymouth here. i mentioned in my introduction here, you know, the, the rush gate hoax, you know, the, the 2 fake impeachment processes. the whole issue of what you can say about cobit in its origins. i mean, a couple weeks ago was very different story. ok, and now there are reports about what level if any, i want to be very clear here. i'm not making any claim here. involvement of the f b i in the events, the tragic events i have to say of january 6. what do

so the f b i hailing this as an staggering thing. there are some question, sir, which no doubt the dependence will be asking and that it's in terms of privacy concerns. the f b, i essentially entrapping these criminal organizations or alleged criminal organizations by creating yap, then providing it to various people and them arresting them on the basis of what they've learned from this particular app. but that is something that courts will be looking up. one must mention as well that the only came to the light when some papers and sealed a couple of weeks ago and the f b, i then shut down the entire operation in the last 48 hours. yeah, that's what i wanted to get to mike. i mean, this ongoing operation has been taking place, as you said, for about 3 years. so what do we make of the timing and why was this big bus sort of conducted now? well, it would appear that, that i'm revealing off a paper that i mentioned in the us court a couple of weeks ago, started off the chain reaction in terms of the fact that that document was revealed .

it was an informal for the f, b i. so what you can make, and that is another story, you know, the groups are composed to people who are independent agencies acting on their own to. so i think it's way too early to say this is all a plot of the f b. i doubt it. remember the head of the f, b i was in the point of drug administration is still is so you know, there's a lot of issues that need to be looked at. the problem is that the media that's looking at exactly is, is like positional to administration. and supportive of the, by ministration, by and large, you know, that leaves out the ones that were supportive of truck like fox and the new york post. so really what americans learn to do is to look at their news organizations, the way people in europe and say, oh, that's the, that's, you know, the, the left wing newspaper, that's the center left. that's the right we miss paper us, you can do it branch or some pension. anyone and, and make judgments accordingly. well, you know, steve, what i find really interesting. i mean

and so it's a bit regard to the f b i involvement. i think this is a really important place to start for january 6 because, you know, normally the media can have a polarized conversation and politics when it's the right or the versus the left or vice versa. well, when you add a 3rd actor in there, in this case, or federal agency, or an agent per box tour, then you're not talking about an organic event. you're not talking about a grass roots event. and so a lot of people suspected this from the beginning, including us. ok, and we talked about it when, when it happened to pipe bombs, mysteriously appeared around the sort of protest areas. and then the media went completely hush on that. and so that, that's a standard ammo for the f b i with regards to walker 20. i mean they have people been every single activist group this started under j edgar hoover. it's nothing new in terms of the right wing patriot. him city khan, who taught the militia, they had got to inform it's at bundy ranch. literally every single events, the fed, federal agen

the tactics used by the f b i and whether privacy was breached. well certainly it is as the f b, i says, probably the greatest criminal thing operation in living memory. but that all those issues of privacy that defendants are likely to be going into. now the f. b, i had indicated that it had taken legal precautions every single step of the way. and this is why it started in australia. it would appear to allow the f, b i to be able to get its legal ducks in a row, so to speak, to be able to get the search warrants all the necessary legal requirements to do what is essentially hidden surveillance off individuals and organizations that the f b, i had completely entrapped in terms of what they were doing, so they will be discussion, no doubt, that will come before the course when the defendants appear before the courts. we do know as well that a grand jury has been and paneled within the united states, 18 individuals will appeal before that grand jury. now in those discussions, which are of course secret, there's likely to be a lot of debate about pri

the f b i m b r, gives me the news. the dozens of criminal cases are opened and hundreds of web pages removed as russia tackled a trade in pig back thing certificates i reporter found out the risk of trying to obtain one for himself. so they put all the information that i gave him a name with the date of birth. let's face it, i would stamp and i've lost my money. public opinion has split over 2 statues of george floyd recently unveiled for june, team thing, the federal holiday marking, the end the flavor in the u. s. there are many african americans who are, are much more disturbing. the man with a basically a drug addicted criminal. i'm actually george floyd isn't being lifted up as your own, but a reminder of the institutions in this country that are systemically raises the lockdown protesters, couple with police in london as crowds vents. their fury over coated restriction is being extended. once again. those are your headlines with this our in just under an hour from now we may be back at for look at your new fresh

the only way the f b i would have access is that they actually had the private key. some of the reporting on this indicates that the f b, i did in fact have the private key of the wallet. the big coin was transferred to how that has not been explained so far. how is it that some of the most of this, in fact because that went into this wallet, the f b, i held the private key to it because just because you can find out where it is doesn't mean you can access. so that part of the story has not been explained either the f b i had access to someone else's wallet was able to access this key on some level through hacking of their own, which again, most hackers aren't going to keep that on the private keys to their big point, wallet online, they're not gonna keep access to it that way. so how did the f b, i get all i'm saying is, well i'm, i guess i'm not saying i just don't know. i don't know the answer to what happened . i just think this story stinks from top to bottom. there's a lot here that very strange and as a crypt layman, that was actually something that really stru

but if we do find out that the f b i itself was actively in boring story. let's move on. my not know gentlemen and one of my get some good. it has and hearing loss, i want to think our viewers, the watching us here are. remember, the me, i the always be polite, never engage with an aggravated or confrontational office. don't get into any conversation to start answering questions. just ask for an attorney to survive and interrogation, you've gotta be ready to stand your ground. definitely don't want to be going to trial in the jump suit. one cups. you're more likely to walk free. if you're rich and guilty, you are. if you're poor, you got 2 eyes and 2 ears and one mouth. so you should be seen in here and a whole lot more than you're saying. if you don't take that advice, usually going to dig yourself before me. ah ah, i use the headlines are on our team. dozens of criminal cases are opened on the hundreds of web pages removed as russia, a title to trade and take vaccine certificate reporter on the program side out the risk of trying to obtain one for himself. and so they pu

before finally swooping in the f. b, i led the operation working with authorities in australia, germany and sweden, among other countries in speaking of the f, b i. it says that it has recovered most of the ransom paid by colonial pipeline when it was hit by a cyber attack last month. that's a small victory against a class of crime that's becoming ever more common. long lines outside gas stations up and down the east coast. a consequence of a hack on colonial pipeline. the operator of the largest gasoline pipeline in the united states, the russian cyber criminals called themselves dark side and used a ransomware attack to gain access to colonial data, and then demanded 75 bitcoin to release it. about $4400000.00. the company ended up paying and investigators have recovered a large part of the ransom about $64.00 bit coins worth. based on our investigation into dark side and incredible work with other u. s. government partners. we identified a virtual currency wallet that the dark side actors used to collect the payment fro

the shocking disclosure and of course, the legacy media and all the pundits and all the x, f, b i and c. i was actually nonsense from spirit garrett. this is not how the f b, i operate does not the operate. this is total total. and then we got the inspector general report and pretty much confirmed everything that devin knew. something similar happened this week with this story in revolving news and then call them to get out and then significantly blend greenville. and it's now really very serious question, which is there are that there are always people mention in the indictments, uninvited co conspirators. and then mysterious person, one person to person 3 group for some reason. even even though, according to the charging sheets, they played a very active role in the events of genuine. for some reason, they haven't been invited. so therefore the next question is raised. to what extent did the f b i know what was going to happen, who you are most there is a extent was the f b i itself actively involved in instigating those events in driving those and in actually causing that arrive to

but if we do find out that the f b i itself was actively involved in the events of january the 6th. then i think we're into quite a serious ball game. and then i think the legacy media will step in and say, this is all a very boring story. let's move on gentlemen. and one of my get some good pets and here and i want to think our viewers the watching us here are the scenic remember the ah, so to to quit cali city for good can each other than the human russell? i hope so. but over the over the book or just sort of the motion learning a lot of stories going on in the course. procure message to mr. bob rhodes. i position we think he might be a soldier because off the boot she's wearing huge, which will hold up. took a personal opinion, was on the sure. so please i shape those with is in me thing we dare to ask me. always be polite, never engage with an aggravated or confrontational office. don't get into any conversation to start answering questions. just ask for an attorney to survive and interrogation, you've gotta be ready to stay around. definitely don't want to be going to trial in

to what extent did the f b i know what was going to happen? who you are most, there's a extent was the f b i itself actively involved in instigating those events in driving those and in actually causing that arrive to take place. whereas the people actually were there on washington on that they didn't want this riot story. and of course as you say, the legacy immediate is gone haywire. now how can you get these people have a fair trial if they cannot say well, so you can say is name person a ok? how? but that, that's my, that's my alibi, that's my rooms. this is the contact i had them. no, no, no. the state says, you cannot, we build a name that is a kangaroo dealer. the thing that is, so i think, you know, because so much has happened over the last few years, isn't it? people, again, prior to trump going down the us later, we could buy that is a benchmark as they pick the, the press had emily, a pretense of an added to adversarial relationship when the intelligence community with the, you know, with the cia fast forward to today, they are cove

get with the program, become an apartment at f. b, i. headquarters, headley immediately offered to betray his accomplices. he wants to deal me headley . makes the f b, i spectacular offer. he's prepared to help them capture saeed. mir study thousands of terrorists. he's the only one that can think of. so you can see that it's very unusual for terrorist group to have a psychopath. sociopath, because you have to have this feeling of groups. you do, you sacrifice for the group. you do things for the group, a psychopath. sociopath cannot do that, you know, it's not the, it's, it's all about me. what did the american intelligence services know about their age and david headlight? how long had he actually been working for them? and what was his brief? when did they learn of his role as an i s i double agent? as part of the u. s. government deal with him? david hadley. links with the u. s. intelligence services are kept secret. and what motivated the u. s. authorities and spite of everything to strike a deal with david hadley once again public

when debbie nunez suddenly disclosed that the f, b, i so valence warren of caught the page, was based entirely on the steel dossier. missiles are shocking disclosure and of course the legacy media and all the pundits and all the x f b i is the absolute nonsense transfer garrett. this is not how the f b i operates, does not the operate, this is total and then we got the inspector general report. pretty much confirmed everything that devin noon. there's something similar happened this week with this story in revolving news and then call some to get out and the significant glen green will look this up. and it's now really very serious question, which is there are that there are always people mention in the indictments. i'm invited co conspirators and then mysterious person, one person to person 3, group. some reason, even though, even though according to the charging sheets, they played a very active role in the event of genuine for some reason they haven't been invited. so therefore, the next question is raised to what extent did the f b, i know what was going to happen, who you are mos

the f b i and the ark of history. me to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, jordan, samuel, we in budapest, he is the podcast to read the goggle, which can be found on youtube rumble and locals. and here in moscow were joined by dmitri bobbitt. she is a political analyst and editor at me, internet media project or a gentleman, cross, capitals, in effect, that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. okay, let's go to start off with be my here in moscow as well. do you mind you? george discussed the content of what we were going to do on this program yesterday . and you sent me an email with some comments and you said we should title this program, china. europe's unwanted enemy. why did you suggest that that it was very interesting? go ahead. well, it's absolutely clear that european country, yes, especially germany, which has a huge economic dice, you know, to china and east european countries away. absolutely. do not want to have confrontation with china. these countries are

change sides get with the program, become an important at f. b, i. headquarters, headley immediately offered to betray his accomplices. he want the deal. me headley makes the f, b, i a spectacular offer. he's prepared to help them capture saeed. mir study thousands of terrorists. he's the only one that, that can think of. so you can see that it's very unusual for terrorist group to have a psychopath. sociopath, because you have to have this filling of groups. you do sacrifice for the group. you do things for the group, a psychopath. sociopath cannot do that, you know, it's not that it's, it's all about me. what did the american intelligence services know about their agent, david hadley, how long had he actually been working for them? and what was his brief? when did they learn of his role as an i s i double agent? as part of the u. s. government deal with him? david hadley. links with the u. s. intelligent services or kept secret. and what motivated the u. s. authorities, in spite of everything to strike a deal with david heavily once again public p

narcotics officers protect their inform and in doing so, they prevent further investigation by the f b i. they even offer him to the f, b i and the cia as an informant in the fight against terrorism, rooms to the door, but to the service. after september, the 11th the world intelligence services, especially those in the united states, had only one interest counter terrorism. it will do transmission and they were particularly focused on the link between the financing of terrorism and the drugs tre, yeah. can you still play if you want to always from having just to be feel the u. s . intelligence services hadn't been able to prevent 911, but now at all costs, they wanted to hunt down those responsible for the attack. my caden is supremely qualified for this position. in the war against terrorism, president bush placed his most experienced man at the head of the country's most important intelligence service. 4 star general michael hayden, who had been director of the n s a for many years, was put in charge of the ca, that after 911 we did a lot of harsh things. and an honest people can disa

why call the f b? i do this. what have you been able to do during your career as a cybersecurity expert? you will, leading a team, you ahead of many other people. what can you do that you can tell them? so couple of the co speakers have touched on the difficulty that we incur as a society in terms of not just identifying these individuals, but also been bringing them into the justice system. that can be extremely difficult without the existence of preexisting treaties and diplomatic relations with many of the locations where these adversaries reside. what i did see during my time in the f b i and again, i've been out of the bureau now for a little over 2 years. was a growing technical capability by the f b. i to do much more decisive and substantive work in the area of not just understanding the block chain, which is at the core of the digital currency component of it. but also being able to identify adversaries who are responsible for these attacks and subsequently interdicting their activities. and i t

f. b i's hands. so as mike said, it went from a sort of a handful of around 50 devices in australia to more than $12000.00 devices scattered all around the world. and basically, the criminals thought that they were secure, but the f b, i could see everything that they would, a multi $1000000.00 international criminal enterprises basically laid open for the investigators. and it was that cooperation that the european deputy directors, your philip lar, kuth mentioned in his news conference this morning. this international coalition with the continuous support of europe or carried out one of the largest and most sophisticated lo enforcement operation. to date in the fight against encrypted criminal activities. the operational task force greenlight over ation trojan shield was a covered clue enforcement operation. focusing on globally into operating criminal networks needs for encrypted communications. and the fallout from this compromising of these organizations is going to continue. obviously the polic

it had been created by the f, b i. and they all piled onto on, on without realizing. but what they were doing essentially was laying out the whole criminal operations in front of the eyes of the f b i. and it's laura enforcement partners all around the world. the co operation as well is something that's been emphasized by european today as don't fully proof at a news conference this morning. this international coalition with the continuous support of europe for carried out one of the largest and most sophisticated, low enforcement operation to date in the fight against encrypted criminal activities. the operational data falls green light over ation trojan shield was a covered clue enforcement operation. focusing on globally into operating criminal networks needs for encrypted communications. these statistics are really quite startling. more 800 people arrested. more than 32 tons of drugs have been seized. $250.00 firearms, $55.00 luxury cars in excess of $140000000.00 worth of of cash, and on crypto currencies. now it's not the end of the story. there are still crimina

change size, get with the program, become an apartment at f. b. i. headquarters, headley immediately offered to portray his accomplish that. he wants a deal. me headley makes the f b i spectacular offer. he's prepared to help them capture saeed. mir. study thousands of terrorists. he's the only one that they can think of. so you can see that it's very unusual for terrorist group to have a psychopath. sociopath because you have to have this filling of groups, you do sacrifice for the group. you do things for the group, a psychopath. sociopath cannot do that. you know, it's not the, it's, it's all about me. what did the american intelligence services know about their age and david hadley? how long had he actually been working for them? and what was his brief? when did they learn of his role as an i s i double agent? as part of the u. s. government deal with him, david hadley, links with the u. s. intelligent services are kept secret. and what motivated the us authorities, in spite of everything, to strike a deal with david heavily, once again the publ

but at the all the time, the f b, i was reading every single message and it's enable the f b i to build up a massive dossier of evidence. and the arrests which took place over the last 24 hours. now the strategy and describe that as it was to ship moments in global law enforcement history. and there was a news conference in europe. paul as well today where europe all pretty much agreed this international coalition with the continuous support of europe for carried out one of the largest and most sophisticated, low enforcement operation to date in the fight against encrypted criminal activities. the operational task force greenlight over ation trojan shield was a covered clue enforcement operation. focusing on globally into over 18 criminal networks needs for encrypted communications. i mean, the staff from laura boston perspective already impressed more than 800 people arrested 15 different countries. worldwide, $700.00 locations searched $32.00 tons of drugs, some $48000000.00 worth of cash on crypto currencies. a home is now out of business . the website saying, you know, it's been tak

creative and i'm happy to be able to talk for once about a real triumph and dramatic success of the f. b. i. law enforcement, intelligence, and international cooperation. it's not an unusual operation. in many ways. i have worked closely with the bureau for, for decades, and they can do simply spectacular work. law enforcement is what they do. the agency tends to find fault with them more frequently on intelligence issues because that's our really work. and there are rivalries and so on. but in law for sure, they can be spectacular. at another level of nick land, the seems to be quite unprecedented to convince the criminals to actually well, basically turn themselves into informants. well, that's not surprising. i think the extent is surprising, since this seems to span 17 countries, at least, or i forget the exact number, but it's really global with hundreds, 800 people arrested in a whole range of criminal activities. so the scope i think is, is surprising, at least to me, but that there be multilateral law enforcement operations. this is, this happens frequently. and it's, it's a joy, fr

and it seems with f. b, i had already been monitoring this the group dock side. dock side is is the, is the organization that, that produce the software that hackers would then lease or get hold off and then, and then ran some companies and then they would give it a cups to a cup to dock side. it seems to be asked by worthy monitoring dog side for about a year. so this was a nice sort of confluence of events and inference. we seem to be being encouraged to take was that as a result of having a great deal of detail about dogs, i'd already, they were finally able to trace that around some money, not in the initial account where it had been deposited, but in another account. and this morning, monday morning, us time, they were able to get a court order then sees that money, the bad news for colonial pipelines insurers and the f b i is the, the, the, the, the value of bit quite a decline so precipitously of the, in the last few weeks that initially, colonial pipelines insurance paid 75 bitcoin to pay the ransom de

now the app called a norm was run by the f b. i. security forces apparently got senior figures in organized crime to use it and promote it, allowing intelligence agencies, agencies to actually monitor communications between gangs of f. b. i has hail the operation as a major success every single person who used and used it for a criminal purpose. the criminals using these devices believe they were secretly planning crimes far beneath the radar of law enforcement. but in reality, the criminals were not underneath the radar. they were on it. essentially, we had been in the back pockets of organized crime and operationalize a criminal type, dan, look, we have never said. well, the operation almost broke down earlier this year though. an anonymous blog posted an article calling on people to stop using the app over safety concerns. well, his blog was later shut down. meanwhile, australian officials have defended the league ality of intercepting those private messages. australian police commissioner rece kashal says is the 1st time a law pa

he was a convicted towards am day, been just a sex offender before the f. b, i used him to fool the americans presented his evidence was also a very important case here which is but for the sons of accusations were built in by the f b. i to pop up a failing case and they were added to the case in the 2nd superseding indictment, which came in one week before the 2nd session of headings. thought of some didn't appear in the original expedition request at all. that expedition request claim he was doing very, very badly at the headings in january last year. and in august, last year, the u. s. came in with a new superseding indictment. with all these accusations from fordson in it, which would defend had no time to prepare to refute. so the court never heard any answer on the defense to these accusations by for the son because they were present to the last moment and the judge refused an adjournment in order to allow the defense to address these allegations. but it makes, it makes, he wanted with some of the games at play here across, across the atlantic. you know, h

so why bring the f b i into this? well, there's a theory floating around that the f b, i infiltrated the protesters and basically arranged the whole thing and then shifted the blame on to donald trump and his supporters. is there any possible truth in this? so let's dig deeper, it's certainly worth finding out why this has become a popular explanation of events. earlier this week, the u. s. senate just published a big report on the riots. here is some of what they found needed the f b. i know the u. s. department of homeland security deemed online posts calling for violence of the capital is credible in testimony before the committee's representatives from both agencies noted that much of the rhetoric online prior to january the 6th with 1st amendments, protected speech of limits of credibility and acknowledge areas for improvement in handling and dissemination of threat information from social media and online message boards to enhance law enforcement and intelligence agencies abilities to counter the threats. now we

you manage the trick criminals into using an f b. i run messaging up all we getting better at tackling criminals online? yes, so the other operation that you also briefly mentioned, the operation of the f b i and the currently federal police forces running this encrypted and allegedly secure app called and it is spectacular. it is a different kind of operation. again, 5 a crime. so i think what we can see is cyber crime is becoming an increasingly huge challenge actually for our economy. it's going to cost around $10.00 trillion dollars annually by 2025 according to estimates. and so in that sense, long foresman agencies really need to step up the game. it's kind of like a cat and mouse game because criminal become more sophisticated. so law enforcement agencies need to become more sophisticated to, to keep up. and the operations that we have seen today are just 2 examples actually have been other examples in recent years of you know, countries, law enforcement agencies cooperating around the world, also coordinated through internation

but at the same time, because these were the f, b i devices, as you say, the f b, i would say all of this text messages, they knew everything that was going on on the australian federal police chief is described as a watershed moment in global law. enforcement history and europe. paul gave a news conference in the last hour and a half a great. let's click this international coalition with the continuous support of europe or carried out one of the largest and most sophisticated lo enforcement operation to date in the fight against encrypted criminal activities. the operational task force greenlight over ation trojan shield was a covered clue enforcement operation. focusing on globally into over 18. criminal networks needs for encrypted communications. i mean the staff is staggering. 800 people arrested 16 different countries. worldwide $700.00 locations searched $250.00 firearms, $55.00 luxury cars, more than $48000000.00 in cash and crypto currency. this is a hammer blow by the law enforcement agencies against organized crime poll brandon now with all the latest for us on that story

the app called anom was run by the f b. i. security forces apparently got senior figures in organized crime to use it. and promoted, allowing intelligence agencies to monitor communications between games. the f, b, i legal latasha in austria, has have the operation as a major success. this operation demonstrates how the f, b, i and our international law enforcement partners can come together to successfully combat transnational organized crime and drug trafficking activity partnerships of the key to law enforcement. success has no one country or agency can tackle this problem alone. the operation almost broke down earlier this year though, and anonymous blog posted an article calling on people to stop using the f over safety concerns. but guess what is block was then later shut down. meanwhile, australian officials have defended the legality of intercepting those private messages. the australian police commission rece kershawn says it's the 1st time a law passed in 2018 has been used to intercept telecommunications. our of a fo

the f b. i gave details and to give you an idea of the magnitude of our penetration, we were able to actually see photographs of hundreds of tons of cocaine that were concealed in shipments of fruit. we are able to see hundreds of killers and cocaine that were concealed in can goods. australian police mounted raids based on intercepted messages in swedish and dutch cops. among others in germany. police made dozens of arrests. the the moslem ist, and this measure is a very, very big blow against organized crime, which increasingly uses encrypted internet communications to plan deeds pop up. thinking that these communications cannot be perceived and monitored by law enforcement agencies involved and non want basement flies back then. authorities admitted that they were only able to intercept a small percentage of criminal chat worldwide, but they sent a message. no communications are truly safe. well, let's look at this with a raphael of a song who's an expert on you and jim. a security policy fro

and i think that's of an, a very important one, and i hope that the f, b i and the c. i don't use this as a pretext to further intrude upon our privacy as you were asking about before. and this would be an issue. i think our privacy can be protected and that means our data, but it's going to take, i think, some new technology for frankly, the brakes are yeah, there are low level technologies right now. that can be used to help to some extent . but i think it's going to take him technological breakthrough, frankly, perhaps a paradigm shift to, to surmount this particular difficulty that we're in just wrap up bill, but last 30 seconds, do you think there's a public appetite just to accept everything that sort of authorities tell us we need to do to, you know, ensure own previous that, sorry, our own protection on the internet. do you think people we concerned about seeing their sort of their own rights and privacy rights, being eroded? i think we've seen with g d. p r, a massive threshold has been reached, where people are suddenly massively where the privacy and i think

yeah, i mean that, that is, that seems to be the object to, i mean it's, i understand that the f b, i did not use this in a widespread away within the united states. and that's one of the reasons why this is i should be international case because of concerns about powers and, and interested surveillance. i mean, if you're getting out 12010 fed, inconceivable somebody might give one out to i don't know if i missed or so somebody that's not directly involved in criminal activity. you may have given a limitation, rules. ok, let met professor michael, finish the thought, and then we'll come to you offer given the utility, the very limited utility of leaves particular handsets, which didn't have any other realistically. and the other apps on them. it wouldn't have been much use to a sexual partner except for communicating with one of the principal. so i didn't think that was that much of a risk in this. all right, go ahead offer. yeah, we have them as a i to teach limitation for the d a, b i. agents. and there are strict rules about how you minimize conversations that are not relevant out.

and i called the f b i. i told them the same information and they told me you need to stop saying that there was a 2nd shooter. if that's not what happened to the or the shooting. and then i parent up and you can see that stroke. i thought that was the shooter, right. there on the jump floor. so here i am coming up here. and this is where i stopped. and this is where i was hearing the shooting. and of course, right above his room, $134.35. most of the shooting that you hear through your recording. it sounds fairly distant. like it's coming from up there. there's one burst where it's really loud. the the f b i came over and there was 9 days later and they said, oh, we're leaving no stone unturned and we just want to let you know that there was only one shooter and he's dead. and i thought that's kind of weird. why did you just tell me 5 minutes ago that you're leaving no stone unturned and, and really, you know, looking things up and now you're telling me there's only one shooter. i think the f b, i saw that p