fauci? >> well, all i can tell you is that the designees that i am making are based on our epidemiologists and our public health experts. we are talking to people like dr. sha who was recently on, and experts across the country. we have to be sure we get this right. it can't be based on political pressure or a desire to reengage our a feeling that our kids are going to be okay. it has to be driven by the best science. i have an incredible amount of respect for dr. fauci. i think he's been one of the consistent, you know, people on the national stage who has given us accurate information in an unvarnished way. this is a novel virus. we're learning something every single day about covid-19 that empowers us to make better decisions tomorrow and we have to keep listening to the science. >> we'll look forward to hearing precisely what the president is saying once we get that videotape from the tv network pool reporter. what's your response, governor, to the president and some of his aides now que

anthony fauci. tonight the president is accusing the infectious disease expert of playing all sides, questioning dr. fauci's cautioning about schools reopening. we're also learning president trump is privately questioning the accuracy of the coronavirus death toll here in the united states as it now rises above 83,000. he and some aides are asking if the numbers may be inflated despite dr. fauci's warning that the deaths may actually be undercounted. >>> also tonight announce vaccine director turned whistle-blower is planning to tell congress america will face in his words the darkest winter in modern history without a ramped up coronavirus response. it's a very grim forecast as most states are moving to reopen with a national hodgepodge of rules and restrictions. let's get some more from our chief white house correspondent jim acosta. we just heard from the president a little while ago he doesn't seem to be all that happy with dr. fauci. >> reporter: that's right, wolf. we've heard a lot about this

fauci's senate testimony?any things he said in stark contrast to the president, especially amidst reopening in many states across the country? >> he hasn't directly refuted. when you listen to what both white house officials are saying publicly and privately they're doing the focus more like you heard from jared kushner on the economic loss and potentially the loss why if you don't open up the economy. they're worried about depression. they're worried about other cases not being treated. given the opportunity, kayleigh mcenany to directly refute dr. fauci, they didn't do it. when you listen to what fauci is saying, he's falling back on the guidelines that they articulated now about a month ago. in some ways, yes, fauci is speaking to the president, he's speaking to the broader republican party that clearly wants to open up before perhaps others or other public officials think is perhaps the right moment. but in some ways, he's talking more to the republican governors leading this. what i heard from fauci, his

fauci himself.not saying that they are attacking him, we certainly made a lot of wrong predictions on the show. but we are not in chargead of t. entire country. so it is worth walking through a few of them just for the sake of the aforementioned humility that senator paul was talking about. today for example, fauci speaking about how happy he is seeing americans go about their lives while wearing masks. >> was some sort of mask covering, i think for the time being should be a very regular part of how we prevent the spread of infection. and in fact, the more and more as you hpr go outside where i'm sitting in washington, d.c., you can see many people out there with masks on, which gives me some degree of comfort that people are taking this very seriously. >> tucker: yes, they are following fauci's orders and he is pleased. he did not expect to have this much power at the age of 79. but it was just two months ago that he was in the course of high officials who lecturing the rest of us that actually we

anthony fauci because dr. fauci during senate testimony chose to face the reality he has four decades of experience when it comes to facing viruses and public health. here's what dr. fauci said about schools and businesses reopening too soon. >> my concern that if some area, city, states, what have you, jump over those various checkpoints and prematurely open up without having the capability of being able to respond effectively and efficiently, my concern is that we will start to see little spikes that might turn into outbreaks. >> dr. fauci went on to talk about schools reopening some places as being a bridge too far to expect an vaccine or widely available treatment for covid-19 by the time that students return in the fall. that was the bridge too far. though he expects optimism a vaccine would be developed in the next year or two. he also told senators he did not have a confrontational relationship with the president. here's the president this evening. >> dr. fauci yesterday was a little cautious on reopeni

fauci himself.are not singling him out or attacking him, we certainly made a lot of wrong predictions on the show. but we are not in charge of the entire show, but that's for the sake of the aforementioned humility. today for example, dr. fauci spoke about how happy was to see americans going about their lives while wearing masks. >> for some sort of mask, this should be a very regular part with how we prevent the spread of infection. more and more, we can see many people out there with masks on which gives me some degree of comfort that people are taking this very seriously. >> tucker: they are following his words and he's pleased by that, he didn't expect to have this much power at the age of 79. the funny thing was though it was two months ago that fauci was in the courts of high officials, and he was saying that wearing a mask was pointless. >> right now in the united states, people shouldn't be walking around with masks. >> right now there's no reason for people to be walking around with a mask

fauci's concern. in the beginning of june, that will be the first chance we get to start to do something differently, but only if the indicators show us that. >> new cases in south dakota climbing dramatically and after clark with the governor on tribal land, the oglala sioux, a lookdown. >> there will be no movement of anybody or anything throughout the reservation. >> reporter: stores in ohio opened doors to a brave new world. >> we have cleaned everything. >> reporter: major league baseball might start retraining in june according to "the new york times" and a fanless first pitch might be july 4. and disly world is accepting hotel reservations for july. >> i have never made myself out to be the end all. i am a scientist and public health official. i give advice according to the best scientific evidence. we don't know everything about this virus and we better be very careful. >> reporter: so kids and parents all resigned to the fact there will be no more school until the fall. what will that look li

fauci, i don't think you are the end-all. i don't think you're the one person that gets to make a decision. >> i've never made myself out to be the end-all and the only voice on this. i'm a scientist, a physician, and a public health official. i give advice according to the best scientific evidence. >> reporter: according to the official count, more than 80,000 americans have died. fauci says that underestimates the toll. >> the number is likely higher. i don't know exactly how much higher, but almost certainly it's higher. >> reporter: today democrats and republicans on the committee agreed, the key to reopening safely is testing. the president monday boasted about the country's testing capacity. >> we have met the moment and we have prevailed. >> reporter: trump and his testing czar, admiral brett giroir, tout that the u.s. has tested a larger percentage of the population than south korea. but republican senator mitt romney ripped apart that claim. >> but you ignored the fact that they accomplished theirs at the beginning o

anthony fauci will testify under oath before congress today because fauci contradicts the president on tone and substance. he will say, quote, if we step over the checkpoints and the guidelines to open america again, we risk the danger of multiple outbreaks throughout the country. this will not only result in needless suffering and death, but would set us back on our quest to return to normal. that is very different than what the president has been saying, isn't it? >> reporter: absolutely. it is a bizarre situation because the guidelines that anthony fauci is going to affirm this morning are guidelines the president of the united states himself rolled out a few weeks ago. but what is happening is the pressure is getting to donald trump. you can see it in the nonsense tweets this morning. so he -- as his poll numbers decline, he feels the need to rapidly push for a reopening, even though many states are not meeting those guidelines and you still have a significant death toll, significant case numbers. now, some good things are happening. testing is increasing. the positivity rate is de

jillian: the media twisting anthony fauci's testimony to so fear and division. >> doctor anthony fauci spoke publicly today about the pandemic without donald trump over his shoulder. >> donald trump, listen to anthony fauci, follow science, not your ego. wuhan they are trying and failing to pit anthony fauci against the president. the heritage foundation joins us next. >> doctor anthony fauci spoke publicly about the pandemic, disagreeing. >> we saw him contradict the administration from one to another. that doesn't sit well with people inside the administration. >> listen to anthony fauci, follow science, not your ego. jillian: democrats in the mainstream media, framing anthony fauci's testimony as a rebuke of the president. rob: anthony fauci says it is not accurate. why does the media insist on this narrative? jillian: thanks for being here, beverly. there was a lot you could take away from yesterday including the fact that anthony fauci talked about headway with possible vaccines and he is looking forward to having one but there is a lot of positive you can take away from it. why a

fauci was pressed on this. he offered what he believed was a realistic timeline for any possible vaccine? >> reporter: there are at least eight vaccines in clinical development. he says they're moving to produce some even before they know it will work. but this is a process that takes time. and he says they're hoping they'll know if any vaccine will succeed by late fall or early winter. >> mary, thank you. >>> dr. fauci was pressed on the virus and children, and the dangerous condition that many doctors believe is connected to the virus. the governor of new york talking about three children who were lost to the condition. dr. fauci warning there is still a lot we do not know. here's stephanie ramos on that part of the story. >> reporter: when bobby dean got covid-19, he never had any respiratory symptoms. instead, the 9-year-old was hospitalized with a fever, rash, irritated red eyes, and he couldn't hold down food. >> he was just crying out in pain anytime anyone got near his belly, his belly hurt so bad. >> r

fauci, are those trump/fauci things of the past? >> they are today. high has stopped them. i hesitate to say, they could bring him back for part-time appearances, where they are heading is, you need to pivot of talking about the question. it is heading away from dr. fauci. >> thank you all for joining us. coming up. more governors are partial ly yu will hear some of the supreme court and president trump's tax returns. hold on one second... sure. okay... okay! safe drivers save 40%!!! guys! guys! check it out. safe drivers save 40%!!! safe drivers save 40%! safe drivers save 40%!!! that's safe drivers save 40%. it is, that's safe drivers save 40%. - he's right there. - it's him! he's here. he's right here. - hi! - hi. hey! - that's totally him. - it's him! that's totally the guy. safe drivers do save 40%. click or call for a quote today. safe driit's starting to. people are surprising themselves the moment they realize they can du more with less asthma. thanks to dupixent, the add-on treatment for specific types of moderate-to-severe asthma. dupixent isn't for sudden breathi

fauci. you know, we heard him saying there that he's, you know, playing, you know, all -- both sides of the equation. i'm not sure what the two sides are. i mean, i didn't know there were sides in a pandemic. >> well, you know, our reporting has been all long, anderson, and i think it's been your observation as well, that dr. fauci has been on the side of science, from the beginning of all of this. but the president, you're right, was taking some shots at his top medical expert, talking to reporters earlier this afternoon. he was mainly taking issue with dr. fauci's assessment as to whether or not schools should be reopened. fauci has been urging a lot of caution in that area, and the president was asked at one point, well, what do you mean when you say that dr. fauci is trying to be on all sides of the equation? and here's what he had to say. >> when you say dr. fauci's playing both sides, are you suggesting -- >> well, i was surprised. i was surprised by his answer, actually, because, you

anthony fauci. really what was so unusual about it, some of the testimony, how it all came together. it was like nothing we've seen before on capitol hill. witnesses were not present obviously in the committee room. they participated by video conference, as did the republican committee chairman and other senators. the senators who attended, some wore masks, others did not. individuals in the room were asked to be 6 feet apart. public was not permitted to attend. phil mattingly tells us what happened once the meeting began. take a look. >> the consequence could be serious. >> reporter: the white house's top public health officials issuing a stark warning as president trump presses to reopen the country. >> my concern that if some areas, cities, states, what have you, jump over those various checkpoints and prematurely open up without having the capability of being able to respond effectively and efficiently, my concern is that we will start to see little spikes that might turn into outbreaks. >> repo

fauci. the president going after his top infectious disease expert after fauci urged leaders to urge caution when it comes to reopening the economy and american schools. >> dr. fauci yesterday was a little cautious on reopening the economy too soon. are you sure he's concerns. >> he wants to play all sides of the equation. >> when you say dr. fauci is playing both sides -- >> i was surprised by his answer, actually, because you know, it's just -- to me it's not an acceptable answer especially when it comes to schools. >> so trump was saying fauci's answer to schools specifically was unacceptable. so let's just, to be clear, play for you what fauci said. >> i think we better be careful if we are not cavalier in thinking that children are completely immune to the deleterious effects. the idea of having treatments available or a vaccine to facilitate the re-entry of students into the fall term would be something that would be a bit of a bridge too far. >> okay. so obviously concerned about the

fauci, dr. robert redfield, head of the cdc. fda commissioner dr. stephen hawn, and admiral brett giroir, also a physician. they all listened without objection. when our first guest senator chris murphy said this. >> dr. fauci, dr. redfield, you've made news today by warning us appropriately of the dangers of states opening too early. but this is infuriating to many of us, because it comes hours after the president declared that we have prevailed over coronavirus, which i'm just going to tell you, is going to make it much harder on state leaders to keep social distancing restrictions in place. it comes days after the president called on citizens to liberate their states from social distancing orders. and i think you're all noble public servants, but i worry you're trying to have it both ways. you say states shouldn't open too early, but then you don't give us the resources to succeed. you work for a president who is, frankly, undermining our efforts to comply with the guidance you have given us,

fauci. the authorization process by statutes allowed us to have flex t flexibility, we continue to look at those requests when they come in. >> thank you, very much. >> thank you senator braun. senator rosen. >> thank you mr. chairman for bringing this hearing and i want to thank the dedicated doctors today for their lifetime of work and studies and passion. we are a grateful nation for all of your lifelong commitment in fighting the disease and not just the united states but around the world. as i talk about reopening the economy, one question is when are we going to have a vaccine like earn veryone is talking ab. the jobs associated in those industries can fully come back and if we know it is safe to travel or visit work and hotels and casinos, restaurants and attractions. to make it happen, we have to build confidence to our visitors that it is safe. however, understanding that this takes time to develop and ensure both safety and efficacy, i would like to hear more of what's research is

fauci's high profile. that is based on my conversations with white house officials and associates of the president. he wants to be driving the conversation about the nation's reopening. he's unhappy within not only the whistle-blower, dr. bright, testifying before the house but dr. fauci going before the senate. though it is controlled by republicans. to not be in tune. dr. fauci unlike so many people around president trump is a non-partisan official, not an appointee of president trump, and at 79 years old and at this point in his career with all of his accomplishments he's not worried about being on message with what president trump is saying day to day. that is frustrating the president. and the "post" has reported extensively about how these frustrations have grown and grown. >> probably not helped by the difference in polling numbers, robert. between fauci's approval when you ask the american people how he has handled the virus, if they trust his information, and one donald trump. >> and there's also

fauci.enator paul challenged fauci's guidance on keeping children out of school to protect them from the virus. >> i think we ought to have a little bit of humility in our belief that we know what's best for the economy. and as much as i respect you, dr. fauci, i don't think you're the end all. i don't think you're the one person that gets to make a decision. if we keep kids out of school for another year, what's going to happen is the poor and underprivileged kids who don't have a parent that's able to teach them at home are not going to learn for a full year. >> you used the word we should be humble about what we don't know, and i think that falls under the fact we don't know everything about this virus. and we really better be careful particularly when it comes to children because the more and more we learn, we're seeing things about what this virus can do that we didn't see from the studies in china or in europe. we better be careful if we are not cavalier in thinking that children are c

fauci. dr. fauci: thank you, senator. and again, it really does relate to one of the questions that one of your colleagues senators asked me before. that one of the things that i keep emphasizing, and i'll just repeat it again, because it is important, that when you are in the process of opening up and pulling back on mitigation, you really must have in place the capability of responding when you do have the inevitable upticks in cases. that will absolutely occur. it is how we deal with it and how successful we are in putting the clamps on it that will prevent us from getting the kind of rebound that not only from the standpoint of illness and death would be something that is unacceptable, but it will set us back in our progress towards reopening the country. sen. alexander: thank you very much, senator smith. senator romney. romney: thank you for this hearing and the participants in it. admiral giroir, i'm going to take off where senator hassan spoke. i understand that politicians are going to frame data in a way most po

fauci. get a test today, does not mean tomorrow or the next day or the next day you'll get exposed, testing is not preventative. what is preventative is wearing this mask. what is preventative in social distancing. what is preventative is washing your hands. these are the measures we need to take to safely reopen, and then we will use testing strategically for contact tracing purposes, for example. so that's the way it should be used and deployed, and i stand by the comment that i made earlier. >> could you speak just a bit about the next round of coronavirus funding, the bill that the speaker is releasing today, what are a no-go for the administration and what can you get behind? >> i won't get ahead of the president in negotiating, and i certainly won't condition any future legislation on a certain proposal, but i will say the president has noted a payroll tax is something that he is looked at, not conditioning on that but noting it something that he desires to see and it's a smart policy.

anthony fauci. we heard from senator rand paul yesterday and overnight from the key allies in the media. with really just unbright dled attacks on dr. fauci. >> is this the guy you want to vest all of your trust? is this the guy you want to chart the future of the country? maybe not. this is a very serious matter. the decisions we're making right now. tony fauci has not been elected to anything. some people think he should be dictator for the duration of this crisis. insanity. >> fauci, to be blunt, is the face of this failed -- you got to question the entire premise of this. >> the chief buffoon. >> anthony fauci seems to favor what the democrats want. massive restrictions with no end in sight. >> all due respect to dr. fauci's expertise, no one elected him to anything. >> so there is a zero percent chance that this was not coordinated. when you see it across the primetime lineup of fox. i'm waiting to see how the president responds. no one has suggested that dr. anthony fauci be a dictator of ever

fauci. if you get a test today that does not mean tomorrow or the you day or the next day might get exposed, which is why we acknowledge testing not preventative. is preventative is wearing the mask. what's preventative is social distancing. is preventative is washing your hands. these are the measures we need reopen.to safely and they will we'll using testing strategically for for ct tracing purposes, example, that's the way it should be used and deployed and i stand by the comment i made earlier. > could you speak just a bit about the next round of bill --rus funding, the what provisions are -- what can behind? >> look, i won't get ahead of the president in negotiating, won't condition any future legislation on a certain proposal but i will say noted a president has payroll tax is something he's looked at, not conditioning it noting that's something he desires to see. it's smart policy. according to -- that means every worker in america get a substantial pay raise. what's so promising abou

fauci? about what they will do and more about the public messaging fight which is going on. of course, the big issue that president trump and his economic advisers have is they want to encourage people to get back to work, to reopen the economy. they're fighting against consumer psychology. consumer psychology at the moment, at least what we're seeing in the polls, is still largely fearful. people are fearful of going back. they don't believe it's safe to return to their ordinary lives. president trump has been trying, through his bully pulpit, to change that psychology, to get his economy back rolling. to the extent that fauci -- i mean, fauci, the reason they stopped doing -- one of the reasons they stopped doing their daily briefings with the president was, obviously, because it was damaging him politically, and seeing that in the polls, but another reason was -- and senior aides told this to me expolice licitly -- wanted to de-emphasize the messages from people like fauci and emphasize,

fauci. if you get a test today it doesn't mean that tomorrow or the next day or the next day you might be exposed. testing is not preventative and what is preventative is wearing this mask. what is preventative is social distancing and what is preventative is washing your hands and this is the measure to take to safely reopen and we will have contact tracing purposes and that's the way it should be used and deployid and stand by the comment that i made earlier. yes? >> could you speak just a bit about the next round of coronavirus funding, the bill that the speaker is releasing today. what provisions are a no go for the administration? what can he get behind? >> i won't get ahead of the president's negotiating and i won't condition any future legislation on a certain proposal, but the president has noted a payroll tax is something that he's looked at, not conditioning on that, but noting that's something he desires to see and it's smart policy. in fact, according to stephen moore, this means

fauci. and that underscores the importance of dr. fauci's testimony this morning. >>> okay. joining us now is an infectious disease specialist and associate professor of medicine at epidemiology at yale school of medicine. and cnn political commentator joe lockhart. he was the white house press secretary under president clinton. great to see both of you. doctor, "the new york times" reports they got an email from dr. fauci so we have a little bit of a preview about the warning that he plans to give to congress to this senate commit tie and all americans. the quote is if we skip over the checkpoints in it the guidelines to reopen american again, this will risk danger of multiple outbreaks. this would set us back on our quest to return to normal. what are you listening for today? it's been a long time, actually, since we've heard from dr. fauci. what do you need to hear from him today? >> i think we're going to hear a lot of what we're expecting to hear, what he has consistently been saying th

fauci. who are people going to trust? they've already decided. they don't trust donald trump. 36% trust donald trump. 61% or 62% don't. you look at the governors, the michigan governor, governor whitmer, she's in the 70s. wisconsin governor's ratings are sky high. mike dewine in ohio, approval ratings are sky high. pennsylvania's democratic governor, approval ratings are sky high. donald trump's are really bad right now, just like governor kemp's, who listened to donald trump. dr. fauci, by the way, overwhelming majority of americans believe him and not donald trump and stooged in the media who blindly follow donald trump and are against dr. fauci. this is a tko. americans believe dr. fauci and don't believe donald trump. look at the numbers. >> dr. fauci has tried to stay out of a public fight with donald trump because he wants to be focused on what's happening in terms of public health. i guess it was a matter of time though until his science crossed the hunches of donald trump, and the pr

fauci is 79 years old. people who are in their 70s right now, potentially, they're at greater danger than people in their 20s or 30s, right? >> right. this is certainly, exposures in that age group are something we take very seriously, that we want to really monitor those individuals for the symptoms and have a low threshold to act aggressively. that's where you see people get in the icu. this is the group we're trying to cocoon. and it's really important that those individuals, even when we get further into this pandemic stage and things are open that they continue to social distance and be very mindful of their contacts, because they have a very low threshold to deal with this virus, and they can get in trouble very quickly. >> very important point. everybody stand by. we're following all the breaking news, very dramatic breaking news right now, we'll be back. much more after this. a new moment in wireless has begun. t-mobile and sprint are joining forces. by bringing together our two networks, t-mobile w

fauci. the emergency use authorization process, by statute, allows us to have flexibility and assess the risk-benefit ratio any public health emergency. you have done that on the therapeutic side and continue to look at those requests as they come in. >> thank you very much. thank you, senator braun. senator rosen? >> here i am. thank you, mr. chairman, for bringing this hearing. i want to thank the dedicated doctors today for their lifetime of work and study and passion. we are a grateful nation for all of your lifelong commitment in fighting disease, and not just the united states, but around the world. you know, as i talk to nevadans about safely reopening the economy, one question that frequently comes up is when the regal and vaccine, like everyone talked about? the nevada, traveling tourism is the lifeblood for us, and the dg associated with those industries can only fully come back if we know it is safe to travel, visit our work and our hotels, casinos, restaurants, and attractions. u

fauci. first of all, thank you for your work and your expertise. i wanted to talk about nursing homes for a minute. in new hampshire and across the country, a huge number of the deaths from covid-19 we are seeing have been in nursing homes. we all know people who have lost friend or family member in nursing homes, and the grief compounded by the fact that people couldn't be at their loved one's bedside if they died. yesterday dr. birx said all 1 million nursing home residents should be tested within the next two weeks as well as all nursing home staff. dr. fauci, as a short-term goal, that makes sense to me. after that, what will the ongoing federal recommendations look like? how frequently do we need to test patients and staff on a continuing basis and what other measures would be necessary to keep our loved ones in these facilities safe. >> thank you for the question, senator hassan. the general plan you mentioned is a sound plan in the immediate. but the question is the long range. we wil

fauci.tion and work with these university presidents to make sure that we keep people safe, because that's the most important thing in this moment. >> sound like you're going to have a lot of lobbying inside your house when it comes to ann arb arbor, that's for sure. governor gretchen whitmer, democrat from michigan, thank you for coming on and sharing your views. i appreciate it. >> thanks, chuck. >>> up next, the cyber wars in the age of coronavirus. the feds warn that hackers linked to china are targeting u.s. biomedical research. stick around. s. biomedical reseh stick around probiotic and the gastroenterologists who developed it. align helps to soothe your occasional digestive upsets twenty-four seven. so where you go, the pro goes. go with align. the pros in digestive health. and if stress worsens your digestive issues, try new align digestive de-stress. it combines align's probiotic with ashwagandha to help soothe occasional digestive upsets, plus stress that can make them worse. and

fauci doesn't know in that number is accurate. he thinks it is almost certainly higher than that 80,000 number which is a sober reminder of where things are right now and we're not even through this yet. >> we know some. we know a lot but we definitely don't know a lot. dr. fauci making that very clear during testimony. good to see you, kaitlan. >>> joining me now is dr. seema yasmin and cnn analyst julia cayenne, from the department of homeland security during the obama administration. thank you for being here. doctor, your first big impression coming off of this hearing? do you have a sense that the country after watching that hearing is ready to safely up? >> so the title of the senate committee hearing was safely getting back to work and safely getting back to school. and i don't think it really answered those questions about how states should best do that and you could just hear the frustration in the senators' voices about senator chris murphy from connecticut was asked the cdc director clearly and directly what happened to

fauci for months. fauci's mon message has been kept. i don't see disagreements. it seems president trump is trying to justify feelings towards fauci because all of these lewd voices on the right are telling him to. >> yeah, i think there are a few things feeding into why we are announcing the president publicly criticized him in a direct way we have not seen over month, even though you sow him contradict fauci and with the press briefings. one is that the president is trying to get the country reopened. he thinks that is his only way back to re-election. he is looking at these devastating economy, economic numbers. he sees that. when he sees what dr. fauci testifies and urges caution about opening schools, the president sees that as an impediment to his ultimate goal, which is opening the country. he said he doesn't consider a state reopened if schools are still closed. that's one thing. the second is what you referenced. you are starting to hear a lot more criticism from the president's allies of fauci. we saw it in the hearing where senator rand palm was critic

fauci, as you probably know, dr. murray, he said today that the official death toll now of more than 81,000 here in the united states almost certainly, his words, almost certainly underestimates the true number of deaths this virus has caused. do you agree with him? >> i do. like many, we've been looking very carefully both in this country and in other countries at this notion of excess deaths, that is, you look at all the increase in deaths compared to normal for a given week in the year. and in those analyses, we see many more deaths, both here in the u.s. and abroad, than the officially reported covid deaths. >> does your new model, dr. murray, excuse me for interrupting, account for deaths that may be missed by official tallies? >> not really. we capture what the states are saying. so some states like new york are reporting on both the confirmed deaths as well as presumptive deaths. but even then, the total death count, once we have more time to look back at excess mortality, is probably going to turn out to be l

fauci. if it's trump versus fauci or even alexander or paul or most any of the other republicans in congress versus fauci, they're listening to fauci. "the washington post" released a poll today that showed that generally speaking, governors are getting high bipartisan votes from americans and support from americans, but the governors, mainly the republican governors who have moved to open up their economies and put workers and the public at risk, they're underwater in georgia, in texas, and florida. and so the american people, you know, for all the protests that we see, and all that donald trump wants to tweet about are scared. they're caution. they're trying to look for expertise. and i think it's really important. today's testimony was extremely important for the american people who are just wanting straight, sobering answers. >> yeah, it's really important. that's why we've been highlighting that. ron, have i one more piece of business with you. it involves a compliment to your public se

fauci. we're grateful to jake. he sent us all a note. telling cnn, it was determined he was, what he calls low risk for the white house. a staffer who tested positive for the coronavirus. who got in close proximity to the individual. he's not necessarily doing a full quarantine but what he call as modified quarantine. he also tells jake that this modified quarantine means he'll stay at home, telework from home. wearing a mask continually for the next 14 days. though, he might wind up going to his offices where he's the only one there in that office. he also will be tested every day. he was tested yesterday and that came out, fortunately, negative. this is a big deal because if these three top officials from the coronavirus task force are now self quarantined for 14 days, i assume others are probably go having to to do the same thing out of an abundance of caution? >> potentially, wolf. but that's one of the things we're not seeing at the white house is a uniform policy, uniform procedure for

anthony fauci from testifying in front a democratically led house committee. fauci, the federal government's top infectious disease expert, will instead testify before the republican led senate next week. >> the house is a setup. the house is a bunch of trump haters. >> reporter: the white house is defending the decision saying house members did not provide an adequate explanation for why fauci should testify. >> we don't have time in the middle of a pandemic for publicity stunts. it's not the time for that. >> reporter: the absence of dr. fauci prompted frustration from members of both parties. >> i think it would have been good testimony useful to this committee. i think useful to this country.

fauci. the man -- this is what our new poll shows about dr. fauci. americans trust him a lot more than they trust donald trump. and speaking of donald trump, the president, we just heard senator rand paul say that the history of this coronavirus crisis will be wrong prediction after wrong prediction after wrong prediction. but you know who has been making wrong prediction after wrong prediction after wrong prediction? >> we have it under control. it's going to be just fine. >> we think we have it very well under control. we have very little problem in this country at this moment, five, and those people are all recuperating successfully. >> by april, you know in theory when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away. >> the coronavirus, which is, you know, very well under control in our country. >> we're going down, not up. we're going very substantially down, not up. when you have 15 people and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done. >> it is being contained. and do you not thi

please doctor fauci, don't pull punches. one final matter today area today the supreme court will hear all arguments in the case that will determine if the president and block access to his tax returns and other financial documents. you may not think this is related but in a circumstance it is . in a sense, the case about the president's tax returns has something in common with the president's response to coronavirus. president trump wants to hide the truth. he wants to hide the truth about coronavirus and the depths of the problem and how we deal with it. he wants to hide the truth and not release his tax returns. for 40 years every president disclose their personal financial information toavoid even the perception of impropriety . this president has used every avenue to deny such transparency . what is president from hiding in his taxes? the president is not an ordinary businessman, is president of the us . the american people having right to see the deals with his taxes,president trump has an obligation to show it . why a

fauci. he was talking about the idea that you need to make sure the staff isn't coming back in and introducing the virus. we have to test the staff. he was talking about separating out patients who have the coronavirus, so it doesn't spread throughout the nursing home. things that sound obvious, but not what we did here in new york. as a result, there is a big scandal going on, about 5200 deaths so far and climbing in nursing homes in the state of new york only because people were sent back to nursing homes who have the coronavirus. talk to us a little bit about the guidelines he set out and what nursing homes around the country should be doing. >> that's right, melissa. this is one of the crucial topics of importance that they really have been mentioning a lot during this hearing right now. they were talking about how even outside of the new york city area, over half the deaths have been a nursing home-related-type situations. moving forward, what are we going to do to protect those vulnera

please doctor fauci, don't pull punches. stay back today the supreme court will hear all arguments to determine if the president can block access to his financial returns and other documents. you may think it's not related to covid been in a certain since it is. in a sense the case about the president's tax returns has in common with the president's response to coronavirus. president trump was a hide the truth. he wants to hide the truth about coronavirus, the depths of the problem and how is dealing with it and not release his tax return. every resident to even with the perception of self propriety and dealing sprayed this president has done every avenue to deny such transparency what is he hiding in his i taxes question he's not an ordinary citizen anymore everybody has a right to see what he said with his taxes he is an obligation to show it why is he fought so hard if this court-- has to prove at least in one step that they are not highly political and don't always side with president trump, i hope they will step up to t

fauci. he's director of the national institutes of allergy and infectious diseases at the national institutes of health. he's held that position since 1984, which meant he's advised six presidents and worked on hiv and aids, influenza, ebola, and other infectious diseases. he was involved in treating ebola patients at nih and also worked on vaccine trials for ebola. next, we'll hear from dr. robert redfield. he's director of the u.s. centers for disease control and prevention which has its headquarters in atlanta. more than 30 years he's been involved with clinical research related to chronic human viral infections, infectious diseases, especially hiv. he was the founding director of the department of retroviral research within the u.s. military's hiv research program. he spent 20 years with the u.s. army medical corp. third, admiral brett, assistant secretary for health at the u.s. department of health and human services. that puts him in charge of public health policy recommendations. he's

anthony fauci. reopening the country too soon during the coronavirus crisis will cost lives. >> there is a real risk that you will trigger an outbreak that you might not be able to control, which in fact will set you back not only leading to some suffering and death that could be avoided but could even set you back on the road to try to get economic recovery. >> reporter: a reality check from the nation's top infectious disease expert which stands in stark contrast to president trump's push to reopen the country. tuesday's senate hearing unlike any before with the witnesses and many senators appearing remotely by videoconference. an all too familiar precaution in the pandemic four of the nation's top health officials responsible for the federal response, dr. fauci, cdc director robert red field, fda commissioner steven han, and admiral bret jarar offering their assistance dr. fauci cautioning it's a bridge too far to expect coronavirus treatments or a vaccine in time for the fall school semester the

i think that fauci is playing the role that he should be.the doctor, he's the medical expert, he's bringing his best advice on that front and he's very candidly and openly admitted that he's not in charge of making decisions about the economy, he hasn't been elected to anything. there are politicians and leaders like the president who have to weigh some of the varying factors, he just brings one of those to the table, very important one, of course. i think a lot of the president has been stoking the narrative, trump versus fauci for a long time and still they are getting it right. howie: the press likes the fight, i'm shocked. he e-mailed "the new york times" to say that a premature opening could cause needless suffering and death when in testimony he was more nuance and more diplomatic. he said they'll be no vaccines by september and students may face difficulties. i don't think he's looking to pick a fight. >> leslie: i don't think he's picking a fight. one of the things he said, dr. fauci in his role, before any of us knowing his name is