steve: that is not for communication doctor fauci, that is called lying.the pandemic he said, we really should have been much more attentive to protocols and training and restrictions. over the, so why is it that after the hhs inspector general's report found multiple oversight failures by fauci funded eco- health alliance and failures the prevented new biosafety measures from being enacted measures they could've stopped the pandemic and fauci's agency gave him yet another problem to continue their reckless virus research. after completely misrepresenting the findings of the intelligence agencies, and the fbi when the virus was engineered, laughably amusing that the lab worker might've picked up the pandemic virus in the field, the virus of his many magnitudes more infectious than anything previously seen in nature, and fauci ludicrously claim that the experience could not have been possibly turn into covid-19 because the virus is based studied were evolutionary so far from sars tube that contradicts the already dry the bed, defense published by his own ag

fauci's congestiontion to wuhan lab is saying that fauci may be part of a cover-up. >> he knew from theinning if this leaked from the lab in wuhan guilt would attach to his horrific decision to fund the lab and so no, he has been trying to cover it up from day one. only in last 6 months, he started saying that open mind thing, but no, he has been part of an elaborate cover-up to make sure no one knew the truth. kennedy: very much been closed the enter time, now that the chinese scientists are singing a different tune. will we ever know the truth. >> we break it town with our party panel, steven l. miller. is here. we have former deputy department state department -- deputy spokesperson. she was really much -- you of like full-blown spokesperson, she is fox news contributor, marie harf. senior editor at the reason, best selling author, robby soave. so, steven, was this just a r random dr. researcher in china who maybe saying maybe now? >> we always get these statements kind of sort of trickle out, but this is former head of china cdc during the pandemic, it is china's dr. fauci, he say i

fauci? >> no. >> never spoke with dr. fauci?o. >> do you find that strange when he's out saying something directly con area to the secretary of state, the director of national intelligence -- contrary -- and to the top virologist, dr. redfield, that dr. fauci wouldn't talk with you? >> to be clear, there were folks within the coronavirus as thing force that were communicating, you know, medical and scientist -- scientific information to the intelligence community, not me directly. but none of that information was, frankly, consistent with what we've talked about what the intelligence showed. again, some of those individuals to include dr. fauci were promoting the idea that this was natural origins and notwithstanding, you know, the language that was read, they were referring to it publicly as a conspiracy theory in certain conversations -- >> dr. collins called it a conspiracy theorist, if you believed in the lab as the origin. tell me your -- why do you think fauci and collins took that -- i've got my theory, and i think i'm ri

tony fauci has said to barney, tony fauci is barney graham's boss. the vaccine research center is under his institute. just be just be ready to go on the vaccine. i'll get the money. i'll get the permission. i'll get the clearances. you just be ready to go as soon as we get the genome. barney graham is saying, just get me the genome. i'll have my team ready to go. 8:00 catching the genome comes in. it's open to the world barney graham contacts his team. they begin the next morning, 65 days later, the first moderna vaccine goes into the arm of, the first volunteer of the first phase clinical trial. and by 20th, it's cleared clinical trials and it starts to be given to people all over the people in this country. and eventually over the world. that's my book is titled breathless, so i'll stop there. thank you. thank you. thank you you. oh, yeah. questions, questions, questions. if you have questions at the mic step up to the mic. great. thanks. thanks. hi. i loved the ending there, but a question that i have is going back to your book, ten, 12 years ago

empower somebody like fauci. them into the office and you tell him to pack his bag. you are fired. [applause] and let's just be clear, it really does take two terms as president to be able to finish this job. the bureaucracy is so entrenched that i think we can bring george washington back and i don't think he could fix it in one single four-year term but we must get the job done because if we do not re-constitutionalize discovered, we're not going to have constitutional government anymore. [applause] the bible teaches us that god opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble. a leader, a leader must have humility to know that he can't do it alone. it's a team effort. you can make the best decisions in the world and a recognize this as governor when i became governor of florida. you could have great policies, you can make the decisions but you need to have a cadre of people with you that share your values and will put the mission first. and you can't just recycle people from washington, d.c. we need to inspire

i mean, fauci, is that really -- i mean, no one took on fauci earlier than yours truly, okay, i mean i hit him hardest earliest, so i high five that but to win the election is it going to be the i was against fauci and you had him in the white house? is that how we're going to beat trump? >> no, we all know trump should have fired fauci but look at what ron desantis did in florida. he fired his surgeon general and got one who followed common sense. he got joseph ladapo who followed the science and not the science but the data. okay? so we can expect that ron desantis would do the same thing in the white house. here's another thing laura. we're going to have to reach out to groups that republicans haven't reached out to before. ron desantis didn't shut down the beaches or the bars or the gyms, okay? so there are young people under 30 -- look, this covid lockdown nonsense was really a war from the left-leaning boomers against people under 30 who really had not much risk, and ron desantis was the shining star there in these lockdowns. and i think we got a lot of young people who said, y

fauci and the cdc fed them. just like officials when they said to the media there were with matt -- weapons of mass destruction and iraq. has that is anyone surprised that pfizer and moderna never talked about natural immunity? why would they? are reasons to not get one of their products. many practicing doctors about natural immunity. european doctors. many tailored recommendations factoring in immunity and they would taylor dedications and that is the art of medicine. natural immunity is not just an academic point. lives were lost. thousands of americans died because public health officials ignored natural immunity. december 2020 and april 20 one, there was a limited vaccine supply. thousands of americans were dying. we had people dying to get the vaccine. it was highly effective at that time. it save lives, but they couldn't get it because we were giving vaccines to those who were already immune. why would you give to life preservers when some --two life preservers when some were drowning with none? 34,000 nu

fauci and dr. walensky and public health directors behind me who even into 2022 were reluctant to acknowledge that there was infection acquired immunity and let me say i was vaccinated, i gave the covid-19 vaccines and all 24 of my counties, and when you talked about natural immunity no one was suggesting that people go out and attend a covid-19 party and not get vaccinated. what we were asking for the nuance that you mentioned which was that we acknowledge that there is infection acquired immunity and therefore we risk stratify who we recommend vaccinations to especially when you don't have enough vaccine to go around and it's extraordinarily costly. that prepares us for the next pandemic. how we risk stratify. and this also goes into the concept of herd immunity which is, again, it does not distinguish between natural immunity or vaccine acquired immunity, it's the percent or the prevalence of the population that is immune. i even put forward a bill because of this difficulty with recognition of

doctor fauci even said so himself in 2004. when speaking of the flu is vaccination is getting infected yourself yes the flu and covid-19 are different but the science should be respected but instead of following the science public health a quarterback and mandated vaccines for americans without any regard to previous infection and immunity that may come from the. and did so with the threat of losing one's job. nowhere in this process was their opportunity for ones to confirm their doctor. to discuss risks and benefits to their health. is part of the reason we are here today to ask why naturally acquired immunity was never robustly considered pa as part of the us health policy, to ask why science wasn't followed is essential we look back and examine the policy decisions we made at the end of the day science and scientists are not political. our democracy to be healthy needs to be transparent and a transparent healthy andfree nation does not shy away from the facts . when the covid-19 vaccine became available 91 million american

why did you keep a guy like fauci on? you can see that fauci will become initially some baggage for donald trump. fauci and the republicans fear. >> we have live shots right now over the response right now. but this is on capitol hill. these are republicans coming out of the debt deal. we are waiting to hear what has happened now with all of these negotiations, what is happening in terms of the vote with the debt deal. let's see if they will tell us something now, -- >> thank you everyone for your patience for being here tonight. house republicans just concluded a very productive and respectful conference meeting. members from all across the conference shared their support for the important bill, and they shared their re-sport for speaker mccarthy's strong and effective leadership. this is a win for the american people and future generations. last november, the american people sent a message strongly that they did not support the failed policies and reckless spending of single party democrat rule. they country interested

fauci as him was wrong.s him was destructive to this country and we can never let anything like that happen ever again in these united states. [applause] so just very briefly, i would just that a great legislative session. so did we. there is some of the highlights the we doad because it's great o win big victories. kim won a landslide. we won a a landslide. you can decide to pat yourself on the back and say aren't we so good that we won? or you can say winning a big victory is just an invitation to the dance. you have an opportunity to make something of that ande so let's move the ball forward. here's what we've done the last six months in florida. we have prohibited the ccp from purchasing land in florida. farmland come in ath land near critical infrastructure off the table in florida. we enacted universal school with education savings accounts similar to what they did in iowa. we kneecapped esg in florida environment social governance. we provided 2.7 billion in tax relief for florida families. we enacted

kennedy: anyone can make that up. >> fauci, no doubt that fauci wielded en enormous power during the 2020. kennedy: and said that who ron desantis was doing was t tantamount to murder. >> there is a good record that desantis could contrast with trump, i think he will. i think that the way he will attack him, i don't think he will attack him over stormy daniels or other stuff, certainly not alvin bragg. he will attack him on here is what i have done, here is what i did with disney, a great example. disney trying to spin they are cutting jobs because oh, ron desantis doesn't like us, that is bs,. kennedy: would disney have done this absent -- >> they had to, i can of cover disney a lot, failure of streaming, cord cutting, espn, you can go down the list, they have not had a big hit, the company is in trouble, they got rid of old ceo and brought back old new ceo. kennedy: you said that bob iger is shadow cabinet member of the biden administration. >> he was going to be ambassador to china, he is -- >> china. >> china. my point is, his fight with disney is interesting. all -- disney -- he

out there would have been a firestorm, we would have to go back to that era but fauci ended up ruling and sadly, very few governors, ron included, fight back against it. will: you can forgive a leader for being in the heat of the moment but i think it is healthy to relitigate covid because what would be healthy, that is exactly right, it's necessary because the decisions made in a crisis situation in the future. steve forbes is chairman of the forms media company, said that whether it is donald trump or ron desantis in his estimation it won't be joe biden. watch. >> that is why next year joe biden will not be the democratic party, you're on record. >> on record. because the economy, they can sweep the hunter stuff away but has a stench out there so up or economy people feel is not up to the job anymore or the next four years, don't know what the scenario is going to be but they can't have him running in november. rachel: steve forbes does not believe president biden will run, will complete this primary and b the general election candidate. rachel campos duffy saying she doesn't think

and i don't know i don't know this fauci ten , twenty ,, bu three . i've never seen it. but think about it.r is if the whistleblowers coming forward, the fbi saying we comi can't confirm or deny thate fb there's an investigation, if >>ere's an investigation, if an investigation going on , mpon maybe that's our point. probablyt,aybe protecting biden is not the point that they may be protecting joe biden. >> right.ight i mean. well, we'll see what happens.ha reas, we'll see what happens.ha a reason that they're coming forward. let's just say that. right. al alll right, nicole , than ri. tami, great job, as always. thank you . all right. straight ahead tonight, hunter's paternity battltammy.et continues to make headlines. but the bidens, they act like his seventh grandchild doesn'td exist. >> jonathan turley, hebidens will weigh in as we continue this day. never miss a beat day today. what are edible .com or coming? sorry to get your pick. >> >> usfl kicks off with week five on fox. this is it. tomorrow, four eastern. the houston gamblers take on the birmingham stallion's t

i freed florida from fauci's grip. >> bret: all right. panel., a special day. >> my entire six and a half years in prison i had absolutely zero doubt that my country would never forget me. >> bret: vietnam veterans, former prisoners of war honored this week in yorba linda, california. the nixon. return of a new exhibit. 150 veterans and their families greeted by hundreds of cheering supporters waiving u.s. flags along the parade route. that does for us. thanks for inner violating us into your home tonight. that's it for this "special report," fair, balance wanted and unafraid. "jesse watters primetime" rachel campos-duffy joins us now. hey, rachel. >> hey, bret. thanks a lot. ♪ >> rachel: welcome to a special edition of "jesse watters primetime." i'm rachel campos-duffy. ron desantis announced his presidency last night and things got off to bad start. he chose to announce with an audio only interview on twitter. hall of fame hour of dead air, glitches and technical issues before we finally got to hear from the governor. now, for a guy who made h

fauci at the nih, but also to the chinese government, and the dod.lth go into our federal government and that's why these investigations are so important. the ones being lead by senator joni ernst we're so grateful for her leadership but ultimately, we see that echo health alliance continues to violate the law with impunity days after it was awarded with a new grant and that's insult to injury to not only the millions of people who died from the pandemic but also the billions of people whose lives were crippled because of it. you stop the money stop the madness. we have to defund this place. liz: senator joni ernsts, justin goodman, we'll stay on it thank you have much. coming up, congressman pat fallo n, i growing list of democrats preaching tolerance, now insulting hispanic voters saying illegal immigrants are needed for meanial jobs like cleaning hotels and toilets coming up in the "evening edit." let's check in with dagen and shawn with a hot hour coming up on the bottom line. >> thank you, we have a great show coming up two border congressman to

fauci.n conversations, jay bhattacharya, so i think there's going to be a lot of discussion about a different the approach, and that departure began when the 15 days to stop the spread was converted to the a 0 days to stop -- 30 days to stop spread. that's when we saw the florida governor taking a very different approach. stuart: many new york city, we're going to the finally lift the vaccine requirement for health care workers, but they're not lifting the requirement until the fall of this year. why the delay until then? >> yeah, this is what i call the novak djokovic doctrine of the biden administration that's epidemic in the united states today. [laughter] the vaccine mandate ignoring natural immunity has resulted in about 100,000 nurses having left the profession. they were fired for -- they had antibodies, but they were not the kind the government recognized, and as a result, we're paying a lot more for nursing costs true traveling nurses and medical bills are higher. stuart: what a mes

he said they misled on the advocacy of covid vaccines. >> the biggest problem that fauci, pfizer, they entire pandemic relied on dogma without doing randomized control trials. pfizer made $100 billion from the covid vaccine. they could have afforded to to do a randomized trials. we didn't have randomized trials for boosters in young people, the bisay lent vaccine they pushed for a second round that is the most damning pieces of circumstantial evidence that people were not properly informed. liz: so, doctor, you know, we keep hearing from scientists this covid vaccine, again it is more like a shot, this covid shot, it is different from other vaccines or shots because it has a spike protein in it that klatters around hue the human body'sorgance and brain. dr. cory, covid-19 critical care alliance, doctor, what do you make of this? he is saying in his private practice treated more than 500 patients suffering injuries from the covid vaccine, myocarditis and more. if you raise any issues you risk your life hi hood. dr. fauci fostered an environment where doctors deviated from preferred part

anthony fauci. question he's never satisfactorily answered, did he make money off of the pandemic vaccines. because i know he was a pioneer in mrna research which was used in several of the vaccine technologies. was he enriched by the process? >> you know, kennedy, i don't know factually. i know that he was very involved with the no dern that company when -- moderna with developing the vaccine initially is and whether or not there was any compensation that went back to him through any patents, i just don't know. i have to defer back to the fauci to see if he made any wealth related to that. kennedy: well, it certainly would be curious if we were all essentially forced to be vaccinated in order to participate and freely associate in society even though there were many people who still had outstanding questions about normally the efficacy of the vaccine and how it might affect them negatively. so, you know, looking back to look forward, what is the worst single mistake you think that the team made e?

fauci. if you see ouchi, take -- if you see dr.ci take a picture with him, get your booster shot. you are dressed nice you've got good threads on, the jewelry is glistening. it looks like everyone got that settlement money from fox news. and that's all i have to say about that. because i'm not thin and -- i'm not finnin to have dominon on my back. when i go to the polls, i am not -- i am using a did minyan machine. if you want the truth put dominion in your boots. i'm not getting sued. there are three people in the courtroom, cardi b, dominion and gwyneth paltrow if you see them you're going to lose. i would like to thank the white house correspondents association for having me. i am well aware that not everyone in this room knows who i am. let's address the elephant in this room, i know what it is. half of the people in this room think i'm keenan thompson, the other half think i'm -- and the other -- and president biden things i'm the dad from family guy. i'm happy to speak to government officials who work at msnbc, former governm

that could be the most damaging legacy of all of fauci wollensky and the whole crew.ell, that u is it for us tonight. i'm glad you joined us . yo to set your dvr so you always stay connected with us. remember, it is america norememw and forever and gutfeld in the gang. >> our next great watch. oh, my god. oh, oh my god. oh, you're like. >> you're like a rash taking over my body. a good rash. happy friday, everybody. and it's friday, so you know what that means. first, let's

do you think the fauci lied to the american people? >>ll, i thin peok i'm noplt i ct say for certainty that fauci knew that it was a lab, accident, but i think he hade kh to have known that it was a real possibility because they knew the kind of research that was going on over there. theye researchthey knew the proy place had and they didn't just deny it. they smeared they went out and actively and openly looked to smear activ and destroy any scientist and anyone who would dare raise that proposition.r tt we need to remember that there was a time in the united states of america where if you went on facebook or you went on twitter and yo thisu said that this was a lab accident, they would take down your post and potentially close your account, something that a today is at least a 5050 pro 50 proposition. poonin the minds of almost anyen serious observer. there was a time in america where you would be wiped out. they would they would closeyourp your account and they would takeos down your post if you dared to say that you were a conspira

she, like fauci, was one of the greatest spreaders of covid mis and disinformation. >> this is becoming a pandemicae of the unvaccinated. ard our biggest concern is that we are going to continue to seec preventablese cases, hospitalizations and sadly, deaths among the unvaccinated. a our data from the cdc today suggests that that vaccinatedpep people do not carrley the virus, don't get sick. >> well,l leslie said that her ficision comes at a good time since the pandemic has finally endenad, which is weird becausee most americans understand that pee pandemic was ended more than a year ago. j another personus who thinks a pandemic has ended is the head of the world healthew ted organization, dr. tedrosro. in the earliest days of h the pandemic, he praisede the chinese communist government for their handling of the pandemipandemc. >> the people that causedu know the chinese government is to be congratulated, for the extraordinary measures it has taken to containally the outbreak. china is actually setting a new standard for outbreak response ,and it's not an exaggeration. >> will any of th

fauci's role?oney into the eagle alliance and gain of function of research to place in the lab, they knew that coronavirus research took place as well. they try to deny it, hide it, do you think that if ouchi lied to the american people? >> i don't think that dr. fauci knew that was a lab accident, but he would have known that was a real possibility. they knew there research going on there. they didn't deny it, they smeared. they actively look to smear. and destroy any scientists and anyone who would dare raise that proposition. we need to remember that there was a time in the united states of america where you went on facebook or went on twitter and you said this was a lab accident, they would take down your post and potentially close your account something that today is a d50 proposition in the minds of any serious observer there was a time in america that you would be wiped out, it would close your account and take down your post if you dare say that, you were saying as a conspiracy theorist. >>

fauci.know that is directed at the former president. >> jacqui: it is smart he is focussing on education. democrats don't see it as a kitchen table issue. that is a mistake. >> bill: okay, tuesday iowa, desantis two days there, as we ment mentioned new hampshire and south carolina. >>> breaking news from the vatican. cancelled meetings, fever for the 86-year-old pontiff. no details on how sick. last time that serious fever spiked he went to the hospital and acute bronchitis. he will not be out in st. peter's square. he will not attend his meetings. want to bring that to you as we prepare for memorial day in the u.s. sending him our best. >> jacqui: absolutely. >>> former minnesota -- threatening a new york post reporter with a machete. hunter college fire today professor. she made headlines one of the students is joining us next year. >>> today's new york post knuckle head after rodriguez seen with antipolice tattoo on her hand. >> bill: meanwhile biden administration trying to move ahead fu

he says leader or expert who claims he can fix everything, anthony fauci, can prove irresistible forcelearn from this. >> other states had different ways of handling this. >> under the guise of health and safety, put yourself back there, march of 2020, 15 days to slow the spread, everyone willing to do their part. growing cascade state by state of enforcement that never seemed to stop. >> everyone shut it down, trump did it reluctantly and we couldn't get anyone to open back up. look at the red, remember how bad it was for governor whit merin mitch can and the sanctimonuous leader and governor murphy trying to shut down everything he could and -- >> governor murphy said, bill of rights is above my pay grade, i'm not concerned about the bill of rights, shut exemption. churches the on. there was a point you couldn't leave your house. it was unbelievable. the ones that did it better were listed. >> you are watching at home, the other states, illinois, minnesota, other states had draconian measures. >> brian: they are ranked top 50 best to worst. shelly luther was in jail for opening her s

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fauci mocked people for clinging to idea of freedom, when it was being taken away from them.resting is that when i read gorsuch's words, there were a couple things thatrage trage rang true, i thought he was the talking about donald trump. kennedy: he could be there were two administrations. >> it is interesting how one person reads and another reads it but one problem that i have with this opinion, is what americans have a problem with the supreme court on, that is justices opining on things deviate from the case, title 42, expired. court of did not rule on it. the decision basically made by a timeline and court not wanting to be a part of that, a legislative process, as it should, for him to in hindsight. say well now that we know this let me give you my opinion, that is not what americans mostly want to see the court do there, say reason there a blindfolded on lady justice, i wish we would get back to that on court. kennedy: that is interesting, it is their job to interpret the constitution, the constitution is the very thing that enshrines or freedoms which were trampled u

thank you fauci. >> rachel: so let me get this straight.al bag snatches but also an anti jesus drag anyone. explains a lot. so why do i feel like this isn't the end of the story of sammie samsonite. joe concha is a consultant and fox news contributor who joins us now. so, joe, this guy makes it through the mandatory background check, all the vetting that it takes to get appointed to a position like that? doesn't that tell you everything we need to know about joe biden? >> it's all you need to know. i mean this is just incredible. you can just hear the new words to take me out to the ball game by the way, right? buy me some peanuts and sampson "i can't wait to bash catholics on diversity night. suitcase clap tow king sam brinton aka sisters of radioactive is part of the sisters of perpetual indulgence. for the dodgers it's perfectly fine to mock and disparage catholics and we'll honor you for doing so. and remember 43% of dodgers fans are latino and a big chunk of latinos as you know rachel identify as catholics. so why, why, would you treat

these united states and even around the wo world, we refuse to let our state descend into some type of fauci people's livelihoods were ruined and freedoms curtailed. no, we chose freedom and we are better off for having done that. [applause] it is important when i was making these decisions when your governor was making decisions, she and i for the only ones in the country saying kids need to be in school, you shouldn't lock kids out of school, she took black, i took flak from all over, the corporate press, the left, their bureaucracy, even some republicans were attacking me and i remember people telling me, supporters like man, you got to do something different because you're getting filleted if you're not going to be in this world politically if you keep on that course but the leader's job is to put the interest of the people he represents before his own and i cared more about protecting the jobs of floridians than protecting my own. i didn't know what would happen politically but you've got to do the right thing. [applause] we are having to do that because we were going against the grain

and anthony fauci took too much power, trump gave it to him, they ravaged the country.hink there are a lot of voter and maybe independents and liberty mine minded voters will not forgive, that but saying florida was an unfree plates or more people were dying i don't think if that resonates either, a lot of people from states like california and new york moved to florida and called their friends and told them out great it was. looking at you karol markowicz. she is not on the panel but i hope she is watching. kennedy: to bolster vice president kamala harris a image ahead of the 20 t 24, rightfully so, let's go down memory lane. >> during women's history month, we celebrate and honor the women who made hihistory, throughout history. the significant of the passage of time, when you think of it there is great significance to the cas passage of time. >> we will work together and continue to work together and to work together as we continue to work to work together on. >> we must together work together. kennedy: the more we work together we'll get a new vice president ♪ ♪ >>

you played a clip from fauci earlier. he was covering up from day one.he knew if it came from the lab that culpability would come to his decisions to fund that lab. >> bill: this is from june of 2022, here is fauci then. >> i said i think the most likely origin is a jumping of species. i still do think it is, at the same time as i keep an open mind that it might be a lab leak. >> bill: 11 months later is that a fair statement? keeping an open mind? >> well, no, it is absolutely not. from day one from january 31st of 2020 he was conspiring with fellow virologists to cover this up because he knew he had been one of the world's leading advocates of gain-of-function research for at least a decade and quoted saying that it is so important that even if a pandemic breaks out it will be the worth of knowledge. he was an advocate for a decade and the chief architect of funding the lab in wuhan. he knew from the very beginning if this leaked from the lab in wuhan, that the guilt, the culpability from the pandemic would attach to his horrific decision to fund this

fauci didn't take over. but that's rhetoric the republican party will like.ive. he never has been. now he doesn't talk so much about being a republican. there are tuopportunities there. it requires you taking donald trump on directly. >> ashley, despite the campaign launch, which was -- it was not great. let's be honest. it was not good. desantis can say, numbers are what talk. it's not the number of minutes it was messed up. double the amount of money trump raised, after his indictment. $2 million more than what biden raised when he announced. does money talk? does this prove desantis is the contender to take this from trump? >> money talks in politics. i think comparing desantis' numbers to a pre-covid, pre-george employed, pre-january 6 announcement for joe biden isn't a fair comparison. i do think looking at donald trump's numbers and desantis' numbers, it's an important comparison in this primary. i'm not surprised desantis has done well in fund-raising. he has a bundle of riches, because he has done so well with fund-raising. it's significant. the left

he responded by elevating anthony fauci and turning over the reigning to dr. fauci. he enacted a bill, basically a jailbreak bill. >> as for mr. trump, there's this. and yes, listen closely, he's deliberately calling the governor rob, not ron. >> rob desanctimonious and his poll numbers are dropping like a rock. i would be inclined to say. the question is, rob young, inexperienced, and naive, or more troubling, is he a fool that has no idea what the hell he's doing? >> the former president giving the word add homonym a real work out. he's also calling for party unity, as long as it's behind him. using language some would consider divisive, invoking foreign born jewish billionaire somehow pulling the strings for the united states government. >> biden's puppet masters, like george soros, are hoping for a long, drawn out republican primary. they want to divide us so they can quietly buy the white house for crooked joe. >> so, let's talk about all this. two of our favorite cnn commentators, mia love, ella stuart is with us as well. and "the new york times" campaign repor

saying that trump turned the country over to anthony fauci and donald trump in a post firing back, floridas the third worst state in deaths by covid. new york had fewer deaths. he shut down the state. part of the desantis getting aggressive is you challenge my record, i'll punch back. >> he used to say how great florida was. his whole family moved to florida under my governorship. are you kidding me? if smin is saying that, i'm going to counterpunch and fight back on it. i'm going to focus my fire on biden. i think he should do the same. he gives biden a free pass. i'm focusing on biden. that's my focus. >> trump does go after biden a lot. it's a fascinating question. most republicans, especially the conservative state, republican base in iowa, they like trump. can delaware sab fits pull them away? is it covid? is it a combination? >> he's making three arguments as he makes off his campaign. one is a border argument, one is the cancel culture, and the other is covid. covid is his vehicle for talking about the economy. you don't hear him talking a lot about the economy. it's that our econom

fauci?ominee is. the real problem in america is the feckless leadership of joe biden. >> bret: well, the attack from the former president on the governor of florida, now presidential candidate ron desantis on covid seems a little strange to some. if you look at the cdc numbers just on deaths for covid-19, florida 245 per 100,000. new york 311. but, also, anecdotally. josh, i'm not sure of the attacks that this one sticks. because, if you lived in florida during covid, you had a much better time of life than you did maybe in new york. >> yeah, that was some fuzzy math from the former president on covid. look, i think the most important thing that desantis did in contrast to former governor cuomo mow was separating the seniors. putting the focus as desantis ask obligor making sure the seniors were quarantined and not mixed in with the overall hospital population where we saw the highest deaths in new york because cuomo was panicked and did not take those precautions. so, the numbers don't matc

fauci's? it was the biden administration that was going to do that and push forward this was a good idea before we had to intervene with a congressional review act and get the supreme court to weigh in. dr. walensky: here we are in 2023, when we had 96% to have had protection by one way or another. either by prior infection or by vaccination. at the time, we were seeing our workforce and policeman conduits -- and police departments -- >> this was not long ago. this was only maybe months ago. when you and i had a conversation, we knew that it was going into the elderly and it was clear it was not going into the rest of the population. the trillions of dollars we spent, and effects the economy shut down, it was much slower to react to the political science and maybe not real science. i am just wondering, you and dr. fauci, who were the ones that kept pushing on the issue of the vaccine mandate for private employers down to 100 employees? dr. walensky: i can tell you there is a group of us that a

fauci? >> yes! >> >> that wasn't all. listen to this. >> he did great for three years., when he turned the country over to tawsh in march of 2020, that destroyed millions of people's lives. and, in florida, we were one of the few that stood up, cut against the grain, took incoming fire from media, bureaucracy, the left, even a lot of republicans. >> there is definitely room for desantis to attack trump with the fauci thing if desantis is going to use covid against trump he has got to make it about tomorrow? why does that matter in 2024? i haven't heard him advance that issue into the future yet. now, more from desantis. trump has been calling him an establishment guy. and here's his response to that. >> look at my record. how many establishment republicans would have sent illegal aliens to martha's vineyard. how many establishment republicans would have stood up against disney? >> jesse: well, when it comes to trump, he thinks disney, that issue was mishandled, listen. >> look at disney and what a mess it is. could have worked out an easy settlement, but, no, he wanted

you have a bureaucrat causing a problem like fauci. you don't elevate him. you tell him to pack his bags and tell him he's fired. >> trace: let's bring in co host of "the five," geraldo rivera. i'm going to let you pick a candidate and take one. geraldo, i'll give you first. david, we have chris christie is about to jump in. you think his path begins and ends in new hampshire? >> if you're a short term rental owner, get ready, chris christie and team will be spending a lot of time there. that's his path. he wins or loses will be the beginning and end of his campaign. strategically for chris christie, he has to make sure that governor chris sununu, the governor of new hampshire doesn't get in. his fight is as much keeping sununu out as it is bringing donald trump down. >> trace: and i know he has a narrow path. geraldo, you're a fan of chris christie. mike pence will announce next week. you think he was pressured to get in sooner? >> i'm filled with admiration. i think he saved the republic. that act of courage alone merits serious consideration. he's not my

i would like to knoww if that ws your recommendation, doctor fauci's,kn it was the biden administration who did it. who was going to push forward that that was a good idea before we had to come in and intervene in the act and get the supreme court to weigh in. >> here we are now in 2023 with 96% of people who have protection by one and one way or another withth a section or by vaccination. at the same time we o were seeig the workforce and police departments first responders. >> this wasn't that long ago this was just last year you had maybe 96% but when you and i had a conversation we knew that arriving to the elderly and it was clear that it wasn't going much more deeply into the rest of the population and the trillions of dollars that we spent and the fact the economy was shut down for that long i think was slower to react to the science and maybe not the political science and i'm just wonderingal if you and doctor fauci and who were the ones who kept pushing forward on that one issue of the mandate or employees, private employers now the hundred employees. >> i can tell you there's

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