now, the fbi wanted a confession.and they had leverage-- they knew his history of mental problems, and in his basement, they had discovered his darkest personal secrets. >> what we did find were kind of some unusual things, like he was conducting a shooting range in his basement. he had numerous stun guns and things like that. >> there's women's underwear found. there's guns found. there's all kinds of strange stuff. there's lyrics dedicated to christa mcauliffe, the astronaut who died on the space shuttle. so all kinds of strange little stuff. >> narrator: they called ivins to washington for a formal interview. >> i think that he was nervous. understandably, i think anybody, when they're brought into a room full of fbi agents and prosecutors-- it's not the most comfortable experience. >> he wanted to help them because he thought, by helping them, it could bring this misery to an end. and he was convinced that they wanted to do the right thing. i was not. >> narrator: they began by digging into ivins' interest in kapp

the fbi letter? while the chief is waiting for the letter, i want to thank everybody for coming tonight. we do hear the concerns. what we do it as the police commission, we are civilian oversight. we have general orders against racial profiling. we a general orders against violating civil rights. we protect civil rights. that is what we do. that is what we do as a civilian oversight body and we have general orders to do that. concerns were the jttf and m.o.u.,

host: if they were caught or shot, with the fbi -- with the fbi -- would the fbi denied the operation was happening? guest: no, it would be legal because it was authorized by court order. host: how do they recruit for tacops? guest: current agents will sound out who might be good. they travel all over the country. they put bugs in rylhode island for the mafia. they bugged a mafia induction. they also put bugs into the john gotti social club that helped to lead to his arrest. at the engineering research facility and offsite, they will make a vase or lamp with a bug on it. they may send an agent posing as an exterminator to take a picture of a vase in the house. they make a replica of that and put a bug in it. then they put it back in the house. i was shown a bug that was the size of a postage stamp. it could record for 21 hours or transmit remotely in stereo. that is one of their little techniques. they could put it in a book, a battery for a cell phone. i was allowed to interview current agents at the engineering research facility. my battery ran out in my reporter. they brought me a

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the fbi letter? while the chief is waiting for the letter, i want to thank everybody for coming tonight. we do hear the concerns. what we do it as the police commission, we are civilian oversight. we have general orders against racial profiling. we a general orders against violating civil rights. we protect civil rights. that is what we do. that is what we do as a civilian oversight body and we have general orders to do that. concerns were the jttf and m.o.u., and i agree that it is a terrible term, but this chief went out and did a bureau order to make sure that our officers follow our san we will continue to do that and i will turn it over to the chief. >> within a week of my becoming chief and having been at the joint human rights committee meeting i have prepared a bureau order which tightened up all the language, meaning that policies and procedures of the san francisco police department or the city and county of san francisco trump, if you will, whatever is in the mou when it comes to actions o

that's all of the power in the hands of the fbi. that ensures that sfpd officers follow their rules rather than san francisco's. verbal assurances to trust nothing bad is happening is not enough. that is not how democracy works. we demand real oversight and accountability, and right now, the fbi is blocking your oversight and accountability. the arab, middle eastern, and south asian committees have all lost faith in the fbi. agents have visited our homes, infiltrated our organizations, the minute interviews while we are at work, and as intrusive questions about our families and identities. this is a deeply held culture of bigotry and racism, reflected in fbi training materials which refer to the prophet mohammed as a cult leader and that civilians as militants. it is highly likely that officers assigned to the jttf received fbi training, which talks about islamic domination of the world. if you're officers have received such training from another agency that stated that african- americans have a tendency toward violence or more like

how is it that you joined the fbi? >> i wasn't one of these guys who always dreamed of being an fbi agent or working with the government, and when somebody in college suggested that and my university suggested that, i thought, you know, that's a silly idea. that's like go and work in the circus or something, but i started because it was a big challenge. a lot of people in college, especially from my fraternity decided to make bets if i can make it through the process of being an fbi agent. i thought that was interesting. by the the time i graduated from graduate school, i finished my graduate work. the fbi offered me a job, and i ended up in virginia. >> how many years did you serve? >> i served about eight or nine years. >> and you were born in beirut? >> lebanon, yes. >> how did you get to the united states 1234 >> my family immigrated and so on, and i grew up in pennsylvania. i went to school in pennsylvania. my first real job after graduate school was the fbi stationed in new york. i moved to new york in 1997, and

we have different standards from the fbi. i don't need to repeat some of the things that were in the slides that were obtained from the fbi through a lawyer request, but i think a lot of us have seen those things. we know how offensive those are and that is not acceptable material to be given to a san francisco police officer. i think the san francisco police department. i know that you genuinely want to protect our community, and last week with a lot of fanfare you passed a community policing order, this body did. if you want community policing to work, you need the community on your side. regardless of what you think the legality of a bureau order is, the reality is the community is not on your side if they do not feel safe. i think it is clear from the turnout and the fact that we had a joint human rights commission, police commission meeting six months ago. we had a huge human rights commission meeting a year ago. this community has repeatedly taken its time. we are busy people. we have jobs, we are in school. we keep com

>> the fbi now checks for felonies and ties to terror groups.ychological screening or requiring two people in the lab have gone nowhere. intrusive, expensive and impractical said a panel of scientists reviewing the issue. but to maureen stevens, whose husband robert was the first anthrax victim, the reasons sound hollow. >> well, it depends what comes first. whether it's the safety or money. >> she's suing the government, seeking $50 million for the wrongful death of her husband. the government says it was not reasonably foreseeable. but maureen stevens says his death might have been prevented if usamriid had psychological screening and a rule requiring two people in the lab. >> if any of those things, maybe they're not perfect, if any of those or all of them had been working, my husband might be alive. >> bruce ivins dreamed of his own legacy. a new and improved anthrax vaccine. the one he helped invent. it is still being tested. but bruce ivins' real legacy is a darker one. his name is forever tied to the threat of an unstable scientist handli

and then she said, the cdc the fbi, and the president has been informed. i was in shock. >> robert stevens dies the next day. anthrax had shut down his vital organs. >> he was just the perfect person to me. and i miss him. my heart is still not in one piece yet. >> labwork reveals the anthrax that killed stevens called the a strain. >> it was a lab strain. it was not out there in the wild. >> david wilman, a pulgtser prize-winning investigative reporter is the author of a recent book on the anthrax attacks. >> the fact this is a laboratory strain told him this is a bioterrorism event. >> a week later, anthrax-filled letters start showing up at major news organizations in new york. >> anthrax -- another infection. this time at nbc news in rockefeller plaza. >> the attack letters have a chilling message, death to america, death to israel allah is great. >> i was a postal inspector team leader in the case. >> he helped lead the investigation from your early days. >> instant reaction at the time? >> instant reaction -- looks like an al qaeda event, it's a foll

any calls would be secretly recorded by fbi agents in the u.s.d and kim had run out of cash. freegard, with kim under his control, had placed a series of calls to kim parents concocting a story that the two needed still more money to pay for spy school. >> you have put up some of your money and some of kim's money to whoever it is that's giving you these tests, right? >> i fronted $61,000, cause that's all i could put my hands on. and i don't have any more money than that, john. that wiped me out. >> so the reason they're calling home to the states is to get money. >> yes. we knew if we didn't capitalize on that break that we may not hear from kimberly again for a long time. after the fbi and british police determined that freegard and kim had traveled to france, out of their jurisdiction, they set up a plan that kim's schoolteacher mom would execute. you had to learn how to become something of a little spy yourself. >> well, i guess i did, yes. i hadn't thought of it that way. >> back home in phoenix, ann's instructions were to use the sporadic

on the cooperation the fbi talked to him. he changed his name so they talked to him while they were doing the investigation and he had been fully cooperative and he offered to help them out by giving them lessons in islam and help them better understand what muslims were up to and what they fought and he was being completely cooperative. he then decided because he had become interested in this long to do graduate study work in saudi arabia. so when he was arrested he was at the airport on his way to saudi arabia to continue to study and all of a sudden he's arrested. >> host: how many days after the arrest is he in dulles airport? do you remember? >> guest: i don't remember. i'm sure i have the dates in the book but i don't recall on the top of my head. >> host: i thought of these little details. >> guest: he was held in custody for 16 days. he was shipped around the country in shackles from prison and he was not being held as a material witness because in fact they reported to congress in fact the fbi had great success in ar

he offered the fbi his cooperation.part of the lawsuit continues against the fbi agents for being very machiavellian. they thought, disrupting what they thought was a sleeper cell is going to justify the means of being highly misleading. >> host: this is a good interesting segue into the more broader aspect of these various stories, which are very compelling themselves, and regardless of what you think about how believable, but the evidence ultimately leads, it's hard to go away with these things, with these cases, that people were not mistreated. and so i think -- >> guest: if i could just tell you, before you continue with your thought, abdullah al kidd also had serious allegations that he'd been mistreated while he was incarcerated. effect ended up having a lawsuit settled because of the conditions under which is being held and mistreatment. >> host: that was not part of the lawsuit. >> guest: not a part of the same lawsuit. that is a separate lawsuit. that has been settled. >> host: but in dismissing the lawsuit aga

how did it come to the attention of the fbi or investigators? what was the initial this red flag? do when he was making contributions to muslim charities but in then because of religious obligations and another story i tell which is more familiar is the lawyer who ended up that was suspected of the train bombing in madrid because this fingerprints for similar to those found on a plastic bag. >> host: but a flawed investigation and? >> probably one of the most horrendous mistakes you can imagine. >> had you connect a white lawyer in oregon with the bombing in madrid than look at it from the lens of the fbi agent making the connection and you can see how those mistakes have been. look at that fingerprint instead what they are now doing after hundreds of inspector general reports a second person who does not know the first person made the identification do that independently. so later people assume it was right the spaniard said we don't think so but nobody paid attention. that is one problem. >> host: just to give an idea, we have a sense in the public reference six finance and fing

on the cooperation the fbi had talked to him. he changed his name when he converted so they talked to him when they were doing the investigation and he had been fully cooperative and he offered to help the agents by giving them lessons and islam and to help them better understand what they were up to and what they thought and he was being completely cooperative. he then had decided because he had become very interested in is on to graduate study work in saudi arabia so when he was arrested he was at the airport on his way to saudi arabia to continue their studies and all of a sudden he's arrested. >> host: how many days after is he at the airport, do you remember? >> guest: i don't remember what the relative timing is. i sure i have the dates in the book but i don't recall off the top of my head. sometimes it is hard to place the beets. but he was held in custody for 16 days shipped around the country in shackles from prison to prison and he wasn't being held as a material witness because in fact i believe it was robert mueller w

fbi! fbi! fbi! fbi! fbi! wait here! don't move! what's happening? you the owner of the house?, i don't understand. all right, all right, it's okay. you've been on the internet? no, it's been down today. okay, it's okay. just relax. we're sorry, it's the wrong house, ma'am. we're going to rectify this. the killer's covering his tracks. he must have piggybacked their router. i'm sorry, sweetie. hey, charlie, we got a problem here. (muffled scream) yeah, don, what's going on? we... we just lost our video transmission. don: it's the wrong house. he must have piggybacked the signal. (mutters) you know what, if he did, then he's in the area using a wifi signal. tell me all the houses for sale in the neighborhood. i'm already on it. okay, i've got a house. it's two streets over. it's 2463 north irving boulevard. oh, damn. damn! ah, he's dead. he must have heard the chopper. left in a hurry. ah, he left this-- it's computer transmitting gear. we were close. yeah, well. you guys clear? agent: all clear. ice breakers frost. a great tasting mint core, frosted in powerful cooling crystals

this is the common tactic that the fbi is using. we do not know where those questions are going to go. this never happened. you have a viewer order that says you must comply with california law. that means that that inspectors should not be enrolled unless there is reasonable suspicion, some criminal predicate. what is happening in the voluntary interviews all over the country is they use these to gather information about your beliefs, associations, with no criminal predicate. i have buried you with material to prove that fact. if that is what is going on here, that is a violation of your bureau order. i would also respectfully suggest that when someone in a non-urgent, non-criminally predicated situation context my attorney, not me, it is good community relations to respect that request. even though we do not have a traditional suspect. on your general order that says you treat everyone with courtesy and respect, you may want to not follow the fbi. we have talked to the fbi and they have told us, if we can do it, we are going to do

the good news is that the fbi and the u.s.e services acted decisively and very capably to shut this thing down, but the bad news and the news that will sort of, you know, residual importance is that iran has now moved into a new era with this. iran has historically acted through others, through hezbollah in syria, but now iran in the last several months has become much more aggressive in its own region, and now as we see internationally. iran sense warships through the suez canal off the coast of israel, iran continues with its nuclear weapons program. but if iran is now willing to conduct assassination attempts on u.s. soil of foreign diplomats, it really puts iran in a whole new rogue state light. now, think about it for a few minutes. iran couldn't get these people in saudi arabia or in israel, right? so they're looking for another country to attack them with. the united states is a hard country to do that in. megyn: right. >> it would be much easier to find some third world country -- megyn: so what does that tell you? >>

five weeks ago the commission committed to getting answers from the fbi reporting back on certain issues that would either refuse to or confirm or update information the aclu has provided about the fbi's claims it will not abide by san francisco policies or allow officers to abide by them. we assume that would take place last week and was taken off calendar. we would like to know, will that happen? we have the time frame for wewhn that might happen? president mazzucco: we do not respond to questions. >> i will take that as non response. you have decided to leave the mou in place for now as is your prerogative. you have made statements to local policy saying that all policies will be abided by. you have an mou that is directly contradiction if -- of that. yousigned agreements make it untenable to abide by that. you wanted the bocc -- occ to abide. officers are completely required if the occ is investigating to respond to requests for an jarret -- information. on the other hand, officers face consequences under the nondisclosure agreements on the federal side and there is no permission gra

>>> on the streets of detroit ed fbi is taking a hard line against those who sellunder age girls. >> i'm looking for young girls. >> police. >> how old are you? >> overhead. >> investigators are scooping up more and more teens. >> is she underage? she's 17? >> from rural michigan to the suburbs, romeo pimps sell dreams to the naive. >> you're a victim in all this. >> and even the girl next door. >> don't judge a book by its cover. just because i lived in a nice house doesn't mean i lived a nice life. >> mom? mom? >> it's an uphill battle for investigators trying to rescue children trapped and scared. >> we really are trying to help you. >> they have nowhere else to go, so for us to say to them, we want to get you out of this life, i don't know they necessarily believe us at that point. >> oh, my god, man. >> tonight msnbc goes undercover with the fbi in michigan rescuing the young and the lost caught in the grip of section slavery in the motor city. >>> tonight we visit the streets and suburbs of detroit, michigan, joining the fbi, state and local police as part of "operation cross c

we spoke to the fbi in the san antonio office.y referred us to the department of justice, but they did say that they are conducting what they call a regular and usual criminal investigation at that address. and it appears, it appears at this time that there is a younger manssor arbabsiar, age 21, which shares the same address in round rock with the 56-year-old arrested. we are also learning more about manssor arbabsiar, the father here. we know that he's 56 years old. he does have a couple of misdemeanors. one is from april of 2004 from the austin, texas, area. it is driving with an invalid license. a little further back in 1987 there was another driving with an invalid license charge and also an evading arrest charge. he served 90 days in jail for that. u.s. official information shows that he actually has two passports. one u.s. and one iranian. wolf. >> thanks, lisa. i know you're working this story for us. we'll get more information to our viewers. >>> a little while ago the secretary of state, hillary clinton, addressed this a

we'll speaks to the fbi about the search for lisa irwin in about 15 minutes. >>> the fbi is investigatinger a dead newborn was found in a guest cabin on board a carnival cruise ship. the ship was docked on the caribbean island of st. martin when a crew member discovered the body. authorities took custody of the infant's body and interviewed the 20-year-old american mother. she is expected to return to the u.s. by tomorrow. >>> apple holding a memorial for its former chief executive steve jobs today. many prominent silicon valley executives have been invited to the event. the memorial will take place on the campus of stanford university and not open to the public. >>> in philly, police and the fbi are investigating a shocking discovery. four mentally challenged adults chained up in a done begun-like basement. here's what we know. the four victims include one young woman and three men. the building's janitor found and released the victims and called police. >> i am the one who cut the chain and let them free. >> what were they saying to you? did they say thank you? did they say help? >> no.