. >> how long have you been with fdl snech fdle? >> 11 years. explain to the members of the jury what your job is in the fire arms section? >> my duties as an analyst is examine submitted firearms for safety and function, to examine fired ammunition components that are submitted as evidence to determine if they have come from a particular firearm, as well as distance determinations on clothing. >> and how long have you been an analyst in the firearms section? >> i've been an analyst for three years. >> how long total or -- you said you had been in -- with fdle for 11 years. what did you do prior to being an analyst in the firearms section? >> i was forensic technologition for feist yeive years in the fi section and three years as a technologist in the toxicology section. >> what did you do as a forensic technologist? share your educational background. >> bachelor of science degree in chemistry. >> what train having you had to prepare you for your duties as a crime laboratory analyst in the firearms section? >> as a forensic technologist, i compl

call this label is also fdle. >> yes.ellow barcode label is also from fdle. >> now, those i think you referred to as standards, correct, known standard from george zimmerman and also from treyen martin. is that correct? >> yes. those were known standards that were used for comparison to all the unknown samples in the case. >> okay. you do the process. you go through the extraction. do you then prepare -- for the record, i'm going to show you state's exhibit 206. previously been shown to counsel. no objection. may i approach the witness, your honor? let me actually show you the actual exhibit so you have it there. but -- and i want you to talk about this and explain -- i believe there's 13 markers on this one. let me show you state's exhibit 206. thank you, your honor. tell us just when you talk about all these markers, let's go -- you don't have your -- i need mr. guy's assistance. may i approach the witness again, your honor? i'm going to give you this fancy pen, i guess, or whatever you call it. i think the button's rig

>> yes. >> it would have your fdle numbe number, i think you said the print card label fdle?>> yes. the yellow card is from fdle. >> now, i think those were referred to as standards, correct? known standards from george zimmerman and also trayvon martin, is that correct? >> yes. those are known standards used for comparison to all the unknown samples in the case. >> you did the process, you go through the extraction, quantification, et cetera, you get some results, i'm assuming, right? >> hopefully. >> did you get some in this case? >> yes. >> do you then prepare, and for the record i will show you state's exhibit 206, briefly shown to counsel and no objection. i'm going show you -- may approach the witness, your honor? let me show you the actual exhibits. you have it there. i want you to talk about this in explaining, i believe 13 markers on this one. let me show you state's exhibit 206. thank you, your honor. tell us, when you talk about all these markers, let's go a and -- you don't have your light up thing, do you? i need mr. guy's assist stance, if i could, your honor. m

. >> how long have you been working for -- i'm going to refer to it as fdle.rtment of law enforcement. >> i've been with fdle for a little over seven years. i started in march of 2006. >> could you briefly tell us about your education and training regarding your occupation, sir? >> yes. i received a bachelor's of science in molecular and microbiology from the university of central florida. graduated in 2004. i was hired by the florida department of law enforcement as a forensic technologist. in that position i screened items of evidence for the possible presence of bodily fluids that may contain dna. i was promoted to crime lab analyst in july of 2007. i underwent a 13-month training program for that position. the first half of that training program was background readings, written and oral exams. the second part of that training was supervised case work. that would be actual case work under the supervision of a trained analyst. and that training -- that 13 months culminated in a mock trial. >> and have you kept up with the latest information regarding dna, si

and two fdle folks there, crime lab people, in the courtroom. the first one up, a gun expert that testified that the muzzle of george zimmerman's gun, pressing against the fabric when he pulled the trigger and killed trayvon martin. up next, another fdle expert, he was actually a dna expert, he said that there were absolutely no fingerprints from trayvon martin on the handle of george zimmerman's gun and said that there wasn't any dna from george zimmerman on the cuffs of trayvon martin's hoody. what does all this mean? that's going to be a good question at the end of the day. once the defense got a hold of the fd lesson witnesses, particularly the ones with dna, they brought up the fact that the evidence was improperly bagged, the sweatshirt trayvon martin was wearing that night, smelled just awful, like mold and pneumonia, and when they looked at it, they discovered instead of being dried out instead of placed in a bag so it could be dried out. they placed it in a plastic bag, which began collecting mold and it compromised the dna on it starte

it's under fdle 2012.our reports and your entire file has been copied and provided to defense counsel. with the court's permission, may he refer to his report or notes at any time? >> any objections? >> no. >> okay. thank you. yes, you may do so. >> it might be easier if we start off with the standards. i believe you received two standards for two samples you did. specifically a swab that was represented as coming from the defendant george zimmerman and also a dna card or blood card taken by the medical examiner from the victim in this case, trayvon martin. do you recall that, sir? >> yes, that's correct. >> okay. all right. and what i want to do is -- first w the court's permission, may i approach the witness, your honor? >> you may. >> sir, i'm showing you state's exhibit 186. do you recognize state's exhibit 18 of? >> the lead prosecutor there bringing another item to the floor for the witness to take a look at. we are going to take a short break here on msnbc. we'll be right back with the george zimmer

fdle. the part of part of that dna, they got some.hink they missed a bunch or at least some because of the way it's packaged. significant? i don't know. i don't think it was that significant. there may have been more blood. i don't think that george zimmerman was bleeding a lot that night. i don't think he was bleeding a lot out that night. i think he was probably bleeding a fair amount in and then when he stood up after the attack was over, yes, started coming out of his nose. not a lot of blood on trayvon martin and probably not a lot to be expected. and there was no injuries on trayvon martin until the gunshot so you wouldn't imagine there would be any blow on george, i'm sorry, george zimmerman's hands or anyplace else on his body because when trayvon martin was finally shot, he went up and over. though, dna, we can go over some particulars about it and i have some -- some precise points about what was found on mr. trayvon martin's cuffs and what not, but generally speaking, not a lot of significant. hair dare youed you crushed in

de la rionda, one that fdle would redo the report and the information would be provided and then in a second one that only the source file would be provided. i knew at least one of those approaches was probably inaccurate or wrong. at that point the more that i thought about it, i was curious if i had any legal exposure. and, um, at that point i sought counsel. >> i want to bring in now george howell who has been covering not only this trial but the story from the very beginning, and he's tracking the developments on this. george, could this be damaging to the prosecution? >> potentially, don. potentially. let's talk about it from the standpoint of the trial, the case itself, it could open the door, don, to an appeal if indeed the prosecution did not turn over evidence to the defense team as they should have in a timely manner, so that's a possibility if there's a conviction in this case. when it comes to the prosecutors themselves, you know, there's a possibility, there's a chance of jail time but it's not likely. it's more likely that it would be a fine or a penalty on the prosecuto

de la rionda, one that fdle would redo the report and the information would be provided and then in a only the source file would be provided. i knew at least one of those approaches was probably inaccurate or wrong. at that point the more that i thought about it, i was curious if i had any legal exposure, and, um, at that point i sought counsel. >> george howell, one of our correspondents on top of this case in sanford, florida, george, was that damaging for the prosecution? >> reporter: potentially. and with regards to this case, let's talk about that, first. it could open the possibility of an appeal if there is a conviction. we're talking about discovery evidence that didn't go over to the defense, didn't get it on time, in a timely manner, it could happen with regards to the case. with regards to the prosecution, there's the possibility of jail time, that's not likely. it's more likely, john, it could be a fine or even a penalty, a censure, basically, on the attorney, certainly something no attorney would want. >> george howell. >> we heard from your investigators at the time, ser

we also want to take the deposition of steve brenton with fdle. >> i know the state says they plan ongin the defense on friday and that's what i informed you yesterday. >> we didn't know until late in the day on june 3rd that we would be allowed to take his deposition. >> that's a month ago. that's 30 days ago. >> your honor we've been somewhat tied up for the month. we're asking for a little more time given the way the court had proceeded. we were still litigating the admissibility of evidence after the jury selection began. we certainly couldn't have taken mr. crump's testimony during the trial day. the court doesn't expect mr. o'mara or myself to leave the courtroom to -- >> you've left for other reasons. now i have a jury sequestered that will be off on thursday and you don't want court on friday. that's saturday, sunday. i'm not doing that. >> we ask the court -- >> end of discussion. >> she really ended that quickly. a nice slap down by judge debra nelson. they will be in court on friday as well despite this appeal from don west, the defense attorney. jeffrey, what did you think

online, amy seward, firearms, she mentioned the full complement of bullets, and anthony gargone of fdleking about d. in a. the part of the problem is they got some, but missed some behalf way it was packaged. significant? i don't think it was that significant. i don't think that george skipper man was bleeding a lot that night, i don't think he was bleeding out that night, i think he was probably bleeding in, and then when he stood up, yes, it started coming out of his nose. not a lot of blood on trayvon martin, probably not a lot to be expected, and there was no injuries on trayvon martin until the gunshot, so you wouldn't imagine there would be any blood on george. or any place else on any body. when trayvon martin was finally shot, he went up and over. so dna, we can go over some particulars about it, and i have some precise points about what was found on mr. trayvon martin's cuffs and what not, but generally speaking, not all that significant. ms. fulton, people asked why we even request questioned her. how dare you question the moment of a passed away 17-year-old. doctors cut peopl

that was from fdle. you agreed with that in the sense the findings in terms of the range and stipplings or gun powder, whatever words you want to use. she just describes it. >> am i safe to assume that your opinion is that somehow after george zimmerman, the defendant, was punched or whatever, rolled around, he had an injury to his nose, that you believe it may have been fractured or displaced in some way and somebody out there at the scene put it back in place. >> or he did. >> he could have done it himself. i'm assumingt that would have been painful. >> yes, sir. >> and so you believe he would have done it himself? >> i didn't say that. you asked me who could do it and i just added to your list. >> you are saying anybody could have done it. >> anybody could have done it. >> or nobody could have done it and it wasn't as bad as people think. >> if it is just swelling it shouldn't have gone down in four hours. that thing is so deviated it is most likely the nose is deviated because it is fractured. >> tal

anthony gorgone of fdle talking about dna. you know, the problem with part of that dna, they got some. i think they missed a bunch or at least some because of the way it was packaged. significant? i don't know. i don't think it was that significant. there may have been more blood. i don't think that george zimmerman was bleeding a lot that night. i don't think he was bleeding a lot out that night. i think he was probably bleeding a fair amount in and then when he stood up after the attack was over, yes, they saw it coming out of his nose. not a lot of blood on trayvon martin. probably not a lot to be expected. and there was no injuries on trayvon martin til the gunshot, so you wouldn't imagine there'd be any blood on george. i'm sorry, george zimmerman's hands or any place else on his body because when trayvon martin was finally shot, he went up and over. so dna, we can go over some particulars about it, and i have some precise points about what was found on mr. trayvon martin's cuffs and what not. but generally speaking, not

. >> ever your experience with fdle to actually look at, at the, injury or flesh wound occurring by bulletit? >> no. i do examination of clothing. >> okay. whenever the bullet before it gets to the body where you stop, correct? >> yes. >> in your analysis. >> yes. >> thank you, your honor. no further questions. >> any redirect? >> just briefly. miss siewert, you were asked questions whether or not that firearm could be used for self-defense. it also could be used to commit a murder? >> the firearm can be used for any purpose -- >> object, your honor, if i might, that is speculation. and would affect the ultimate facts best jury. question before the jury. >> sustained. >> you were asked about the trigger pull. can you give the members of the jury an idea whether or not four pound or a little bit more than four pounds is relatively light or relatively heavy trigger pull? >> four 1/2 pound is within the normal range of trigger pulls that i see in my case work. >> so it's not a heavy trigger pull? >> no, it is not. >> and you were asked questions about the firearm being fully loaded. can you e

. >> do you, at the point -- at that point, and even further, had you gotten any results back from fdleegarding the analysis done of the clothing or anything else regarding that, sir? >> no, sir, i had not. >> had you gotten the medical examiner's report or examination in terms of final findings regarding that? >> no, sir, i had not. >> had you got any results regarding possible dna? >> no, sir. >> had you gotten any results in terms of ballistics, the firearms, the trajectory, the stippling, whatever evidence regarding that? >> no, sir. >> had you spoken to a girl or lady that was speaking to the victim on the phone at the time or right before the time that this murder happened? >> no, sir. >> had you analyzed the phone records and the conversations between the victim, trayvon martin, and this lady that he was speaking to? her name is rachel jeantel. >> no, sir. >> had you seen the 7-eleven video? >> no, sir, i had not. >> you also did, obviously, reports in this case, correct? >> yes, sir. >> and in some of those reports did you in some way write down some inconsistencies, what you fe