the protest in ferguson appeared to wane in recent weeks, but earlier this week, ferguson police chief tom jackson issued a videotaped apology to the community to protesters and also to brown's family. >> i want to say this to the brown family. no one who has not experienced the loss of a child can understand what you're feeling. i'm truly sorry for the loss of your son. i'm also sorry that it took so long to remove michael from the street. the time that it took involved very important work on the part of investigators who are trying to collect evidence and gain a true picture of what happened that day. but it was just too long. and i'm truly sorry for that. >> brown's parents told the associated press yesterday that they were unmoved by that apology. his father said that instead of an apology, he would like to see the officer who shot his son arrested. in response to questions boy an ap reporter chief jackson should be fired. two separate protests held in ferguson at the same time of the shooting. neither of them is thought it be related to last night's shooting. early last night an o

we have met with the mayor, the city manager, and the police chief in ferguson.ve welcomed this investigation and they have pledged their complete cooperation. this investigation will be conducted both rigorously and in a timely manner so we can move forward as expeditiously as possible to restore trust and understanding and cooperation with law enforcement and community members. at the same time, i want to make very clear that as this investigation unfolds and as it evolves, we will follow the facts and the law wherever it may lead and if at any point we find reason to expand our inquiry to include additional police forces at neighboring jurisdictions, we will not hesitate to do so. in fact, i could also announce today that above and beyond our investigation in ferguson, we are taking proactive steps to engage the st. louis county police department in what is known as the collaborative reform effort. this is being led by the cop's office to conduct a comprehensive assessment. the st. louis county police chief has voluntarily accepted the collaborative reform pro

ferguson. they have welcomed this investigation and they have pledged their complete cooperation. this investigation will be on ducted both rigorously -- conducted both rigorously and in a timely manner so we can move forward as expeditiously as possible to restore trust, build understanding and foster cooperation between law enforcement and community members. at the same time, i want to make very clear that as this investigation unfolds and as it evolves, we will follow the facts and the law wherever they may lead. and if at any point we find reason to expand our inquiry to include additional police forces in neighboring jurisdictions, we will not hesitate to do so. in fact, i can also announce today that above and beyond our investigation in ferguson, we are taking proactive steps to engage the st. louis county police department in when is known as a collaborative reform effort. this partnership is being led by the c.o.p.s. office working closely with the st. louis county officials to conduct

that their calls for justice are bigger than just ferguson or michael brown. they're fighting to change a system that they say is stacked against them from birth. >> you hello, welcome to the news hour. jane dutton in had a. doha. coming up in the program. >> you will find no safe haven. we'll find you eventually. >> president obama rules out usin

ferguson, i get harassed on the daily.ts f*áked up laws, its f*áked up s*át, it's harassment that go on every f*áking day including myself. including these black males. when you feel like a target, when you feel like a f*áking target how the f*ák you gonna react? >> so the guys protecting the convenience store are saying they blame the police for inflaming the situation for appearing in the armored vehicles and the riot gear again and they say that's the reason why people got angry and looted stores. we're going to ask why they deployed like this after everything else that's happened. >> who's in charge here? >> what do you need? >> who's in charge here? >> what do you need? >> i need to speak to the commanding officer. >> stay right here. >> thank you. >> are you the commanding officer? >> no but what we need is for you to get to a safe spot please. >> we've just been spending time with the crowd and they've asked why the police have deployed in this way with the armoured vehicles, and military gear they're -- >> we're tr

. >>> we begin with breaking news out of ferguson, missouri. local st louis media report that police confirmed an officer has been shot. it appears the injuries are not fatal. this is the same area where unarmed teenager michael brown was fatally shot by police, sparking weeks of protest. today there's no exception. protests had been taken place, and appears to be an increa increasingly tense situation on the ground. an officer has been shot. more details as they emerge and throughout the morning on al jazeera. >>> the other top story, new threats against the united states and its allies in the fight against i.s.i.l. the al nusra front is threatening to retaliate against countries. they say it amounts to a war on islam, one that could last for decades. >> it's the first time al nusra front reacted to the operation. coalition forces launched a fresh round of air strikes today. saudi arabia's sworn minister issued the following statement saying the war against extremists in the middle east needs years, and must not stop before eliminating all ter

good reason to be in ferguson.ve officers or former officers, either they are on the department now or not, have been alleged to be involved with some sort of civil rights violations, cused, allege of choking and hog-tying a young person. another circumstance wherein a person was tazed and died afterwards. another circumstance where a person was beaten by a peace officer and then charged with destroying public property when he bled on the officer's clothing. good reason to be in ferguson. a prosecutor, who has decided that he will not recuse himself, notwithstanding his father's tragic circumstance, father died at a person who happened to be an african-american, refuses to recuse himself. and and he refuses to have a hearing with this case. this case doesn't have to go to a grand jury. this case could be heard by way of a preliminary hearing after an arrest warrant has been issued. and i submit to you that there is sufficient probable cause to indict this officer or to arrest this officer, e appropriately, in any j

it is broader than just ferguson. i believe the attorney general will expand the investigation to the other portions of st. louis county as well. i think it's welcome. our reports showed that there is at least the belief that they are being racially profiled. and they are being exploited and hopefully the department of justice investigation will find out if this is going on or not. >> you did a study and you studied ferguson. tell us what your report found out, thomas. >> our report found that -- first, let me start with what our clients told us. they told us they believe they were stopped because they were black and they were exploited because they were poor. this led to distrust with law enforcement in ferguson. our report -- we don't make numbers. we don't create numbers in the report. our report is based on the attorney general's numbers that shows that african-americans are disproportionately stopped by ferguson police. they are searched disproportionately relative to their population in the area. they are dispro

indeed, when you have the ferguson police on the ground in ferguson, protecting one of their own as and suppressing the information coming out of that community with the strategies we've seen played out, indeed, what we have is a strategy of suppression. so, here's what we're doing. we're going to go far beyond this case but we're on this case, too. it's step by step. justice has to be done for the brown family and michael brown himself. secondly, the right signals have to be sent out that when these things happen to unarmed african-american teenagers in the streets, we will not stand idly by and say, oops. another part of collateral damage being played out in this very militaristic manner in which we're addressing what's going on in ferguson, missouri. it is not the first time. we were in cleveland, ohio less than ten years ago because a 14-year-old kid was shock in the back by a police officer as he ran in the other direction. the question is what happened then. there were no changes. we want to pass a number of pieces of legislation. one, every community should have a police accounta

into the ferguson police department.on twitter, lance says to find out why these folks trash their own neighbor heard when they are angry, it is not investigating the police. this one with a picture of the attorney general, and ferguson, on one of his recent visits, holder announces a civil rights probe of the first employees. north carolina, democrats,' line. caller: how are you doing? host: fine. thank you. caller: i've been listening to all of the rhetoric that has been going on. the most important thing is even though a federal probe was -- came out there is all the things that have been going on for many among many years. this light at the end of holder's interview, the question was, what did he actually think about it, the thing about it is this has been going on for many, many, many years, and now all of a sudden, that everyone is starting to pay attention to it, which they should be because we have african-american president, i was concerned about it. a lot of people did not understand when you are in a certain c

as also happened in ferguson.ing pictures like this one of ferguson protesters wearing signs that say, stay strong hong kong written in english and chinese characters. tweets like this show the tens of thousands of protesters in hang congresses using the hands up, don't shoot gesture, made famous in the ferguson protest. we'll have more on hong kong coming up. you can join fellow reiders on instagram, facebook. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ great rates for great rides. geico motorcycle, see how much you could save. ok, if you're up there, i coulsmart sarah.elp. seeking guidance. just like with your investments. that sets you apart. it does? it does. you're type e*. and seeking another perspective is what type e*s do. oh, and your next handhold... is there. you don't have to go it alone. e*trade gives you the support and guidance to make informed decisions. are you type e*? >>> welcome back to "the reid report." i'm joy reid. five weeks until election day which means it's crunch time for midterm campaigning. president obama is feeling p

i know ferguson very well.rican. but i've also seen what has happened with the systems in place that is supposed to be democratic in nature. very clearly, they are not being responsive to the concerns going on there now. if you're looking to the city council, those making decisions for the people that live in ferguson, you'll see it is not representative of the 67% of african-americans that live in that township. if you look at the police department, you recognize -- we talk about 67% of the population being african-american, but out of the 53 police officers that actually work that community, only three are african-american. we look at those challenges and other issues addressed in real concerns, we see that democracy is not working and as such the law enforcement entity put in place that, quote, serve and protect, is doing neither. as we saw what happened to michael brown, it is not surprising people finally got to that tipping point. just to give you a tiny bit more foundation about st. louis. st. louis, mis

the issue of fines in ferguson was issued. look at the numbers. 2013, relative to population, ferguson issued more arrest warrants than any other city in the state. no other city was close. according to a report by the advocate group, arch city defenders, the city brought in 2.6 million from fines and court fees last year, making it the second-largest source of revenue. now, the same report suggests the system was rigged to keep it that way, by starting to hear cases before the scheduled time, and locking the building quickly after the official hearing time actually was to begin. let's talk about this a bit more. joining me now from st. louis is jonathan clark, a writer and analyst of politics. good to talk to you. that last set of stats, let me be as fair as i can and let you take it apart. the figures there, does it represent a racist power struggle the, structure in ferguson. racialized policing, or getting your revenues from the population and, in this case, ferguson is two-thirds black of. >> well, you know, you are looki

we were with you in the streets of ferguson.n you talk about what has taken place over these last few days? the apology from the police chief, the parents responses we just heard, and even the shooting of the officers this weekend, although, it is not considered related to the protests. >> good morning. thursday was a very busy day with the apology and then later on that night, it seemed like the officers instigated a fight. there were several arrests that night. a woman was even knocked unconscious the police and she was carried by her hands and feet to jail. after thursday, it was a pair we were going to have a long weekend and that is what we had. friday on the protest site, it was very silent. not too much activity. i think that is because everyone was tired. the protesters in the officers. saturday night when those officers were shot at, which was unrelated to the protest. they were not anywhere near the protest site. of course, it is horrible that people are shooting at police officers. that is never something that needs t

by a ferguson police officer last month.sher has more. >> attorney general says police have to take a hard look at retomorrowing their practices in st. louis county. i want to be clear, this is not a stop gap or a short term solution. it's a long term strategy. it's been nearly a month. expose add community grappling with a racial divide in a deep seeded disinstruction of a police department that's almost all white. that led the department of justice to open a civil rights investigation into the shooting now lit look at the whole ferguson police department. in ferguson, our investigation will arecess the police department's use of force, including deadly force. it will analyze stops, searches, and arrests. and it will exam the treatment of individuals detained at ferguson's city jail. the violent crime control gave the civil rights division the authority to investigate state and local law enforcement agencies for unconstitutional pat terps or practices of conduct. that would include getting rid of the police officers who reg

>> a rush to judgment. >> the flies in the ferguson. what is this a super hero cape. >> the mantra of the unarmed black teenager shot by a white cop. that description in and off itself actually colors the way in which we look at the story. >> jon: yes, describing the actual facts of the case. [laughing] >> jon: really does color the way we look at it. white cop, shoots unarmed black teen. does sound terrible. where as say hero cop kills alien hunting humans for sport would put a completely different spin on things. which very accurate description of the predator in this case is -- not what happened. you know what there are so many other stories out there. >> why aren't we covering new york. >> why aren't we covering black on black crimes. >> jon: why the interest of holding police officers to a higher standard than gangs? they both flash colors. yes one has been sworn to protect and defend, but still -- >> this weekend 42 people were shot in chicago. i don't see the protests. i don't see the anger. >> if i was african-american i would b

we have met with the mayor, the city manager and the police chief in ferguson. the complete cooperation. the investigation will be conducted rigorously, and in a timely manner. so trust, to build understanding, and to poster cooperation between law enforcement, and community members. at the same time, i want to make very clear, that as this investigation unfolds and as it evolves, we will follow the facts and the law, wherever they may lead. and if that at any point, we find reason are to expand our inquiry, and neighboring jurisdictions we will not hesitate to do so. in fact, i can also announce today that above and beyond our investigation, into ferguson, we are taking proactive steps to engage the st. louis police department, in what is known as a collaborative reform effort. this partnership is being led by the p cos office. cos cops office, to assess a comprehensive assessment. they have voluntarily accepted the collaborative reform process. and has also asked that the cops office an after action report. already with the cooperation of the county leaders we

plus, the justice department saying it will have a significant update live during our show on the ferguson, police department. why it's reportedly launching a second investigation following the police shooting of unarmed teen michael brown. >>> senator john mccain is going to give us his real take live from kiev. >>> but first the threat of isis dominating discussions on the sideline of the nato summit in wales. as leaders of the biggest military might express concerns about the extremist's in the middle east and beyond. american intelligence officials have their ear to the ground monitoring terrorists groups including isis because they're reporting increased chatter online and over the phone lines as we approach now 13 years since the september 11th, terror attacks. james roz season live for us from the state department. how are you today in. >> i'm well. good afternoon, gretchen. it was in february of this year that al qaeda formally disowned isis from its organization citing tactical differences. now the head of al qaeda perhaps feeling displaced has announced a new branch office on the

covered the price presence in ferguson firsthand. and hilary shelton, washington bureau director and senior vice president for advocacy for national association for the advancement of colored people where he has worked on a wide variety of legislative issues. mr. shelton, being an important person within the naacp, is also a st. louis native. we're glad you're here. i would like to thank you for being here. we'll begin with your testify, mr. bueermann. >> thank you for this opportunity to appear before you to discuss this important topic. as the senator just mentioned, the police foundation's mission is to advance democratic policing through innovation and science. we conduct rigorous scientific research, provide technical assistance that help police across the country become more effective. like many americans, i've been closely following the events in missouri and the national discussion about the militarization of american civil police forces. central to this issue is the use of military-like equipment and tactics of police. conve

ferguson post office. the speaker pro tempore: the question is, will the house suspend the rules and pass the bill? members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a 15-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.] the speaker pro tempore: on this vote, the yeas are 401, the nays are zero. 2/3 being in the affirmative, the rules are suspended. the bill is passed and without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. unfinished business is the vote on the motion of the the gentleman from georgia, mr. collins, to suspend the rules and pass h.r. 5019 on which the yeas and nays are ordered. the clerk will report the title of the bill. the clerk: a bill to designate the facility of the united states postal service locate

police in ferguson this morning are on a manhunt. they are searching for two men involved in the shooting of a police officer on saturday night the the officer was hit in the arm. his injuries were not life threatening. officials say it was not related to the ongoing protest of michael brown's death. tensions between the police and the community are high. shimano joins us live. what do we know this morning? >> good morning, the officer was on a routine patrol when he spotted two men. they began to run. the st louis country police chief recounted the defense. >> the police officer was riding by when two individuals ran from him. as he came into close proximity, one turned to him with a firearm. the officer blocked it with the arm and was shot in the arm which a suspect. >> reporter: both suspects fled into the wood. the officer fired back, officials don't believe he hit a suspect. the injured officer was taken to a st louis hospital and is expected to recover. in a separate incident an off duty officer was shot at whilst driving his c

with ferguson residents, that underscore the history of mistrust of law enforcement in ferguson. is separate from an ongoing doj civil rights investigation specific to the shooting death of michael brown. unarmed african-american teenager who was killed by a white ferguson police officer, darren wilson. for his part, ferguson police chief tom jackson says his department will cooperate with federal authorities. >> there's nothing wrong here, i'm saying we are a good, solid community. we can be better and we're going to be. >> in the meantime, there is still pent up frustration an anger at the police within the community. ferguson mayor james knowles said the police department is working on improving relations. >> we've been meeting with african-americans in our community and getting their concerns. we'll continue to do that and bridge any gap that will be there. >> the doj will examine department conduct over the last several years and analyze stops, searches and arrests as well as the department's use of force. five current and one former member of the ferguson police department,

it's different to ferguson, and turn out for national elections. in 2012 blacks and whites in the city turned out in number equal percentages for the presidential election. 54 for blacks, 55 for whites. that is true not just for ferguson, nationally the black turn over exceeded the white turn over. 66.2% for blacks, versus 64.1 for whites. rolean martins is the hosting editor of "news 1 now", and is a sinned kated column -- syndicated columnist. he thinks it's important that they show up more the municipal and not the national elections especially in the suburb. >> numbers bear out if you have 67% ferps in a -- african-americans in a city, you think you would have formal representation on a school board or the city council. it's not the case. i call this invisible shackles. a lot of people believe their vote doesn't matter, that it's not going to make a difference. so for 21,000 people, 15,000 of the 21,000, or 18 or older, so you would think that you would see the different turn out. this tells me first and foremost that you do not have a real str

those protests in ferguson riveted the country.hey also gave rise to some very concrete and specific calls for change. this is one of a very popular petitions on the white house "we the people" website right now, a petition for what they're calling a mike brown law. currently has more than 150,000 signatures, that's way more than you need for the white house to respond to your petition. what this petition calls for is a federal law that would require all state, county, and local police officers to wear body cameras. "the law shall be made in an effort not only to deter police misconduct, but to remove all question from normally questionable police encounters." the senior senator from the great state of missouri, senator claire mccaskill, has come out in support of that kind of a federal law regarding police use of body cameras. in the wake of michael brown's shooting death in ferguson, senator mccaskill said no local police department should receive any federal funds unless their officers are required to wear body cams. at the heig

people who could not speak english knew the word ferguson. what steps does the naacp recommend so solve the problem with overmilitarization of local law enforcement agencies? we need to move away from the war on crime to be trained to stop stereotyping people based on what they look like, the clothes they wear and the neighborhoods in which they live. if the department of defense's 1033 program is allowed to continue, it should be restructured to emphasize nonlethal equipment and that the equipment be used not to pursue the flawed war on drugs or civilian protests and demonstrations, but rather it be used to promote the idea that law enforcement is designed to protect and serve. the citizens who are within their jurisdiction. included in the requirements necessary to receive such equipment must also be policies, training and oversight which includes the racial profiling act, pending in the house and senate, and the law enforcement stuff and integrity act being introduced by senator john conyers. local agencies should develop policies calling

he was brought in to do pr for ferguson.s working before all this happened, before mike brown was killed. he was moved on to do pr. it came out in a local newspaper that he was convicted in 2006 of manslaughter, aggravated manslaughter. because of that, this came out in the newspaper, then he was fired. while this whole apology tour was happening, he was supposed to be here with the police chief, but he wasn't because he was fired. when i talked to him today, he said everyone has known about his background. listen to what he had to say to me today. >> i come from the streets. i worked my way up. i overcame challenges from gangs, being shot myself. this incident was part of that. it was, again, one of the trials and tribulations that i had to overcome. i started my company shortly afterwards and have been doing everything i could to get my life on the right track, and to get going in a different direction. i've always been forthright with my clients about that. >> i should always point out that while the partnership may be do

the department worked with the city of ferguson. continue our discussionh with missouri officials to determine which specific itemsnn may have been deployed to ferguson. to in reviewing the use of the grant funds the department willg make every effort to evaluate whether the use was appropriate under grant program rules use this includes the requirement and insurance that federal grang funds not be used to engage in conduct contrary to federal, state or local law. the department takes this responsibility very seriously. the department's financial and y program grant monitoring provides a means for se ensuring oversight, accountability and proper management or service funds. we strive to improve the oversight of these funds. members of the committee, this concludes my statement. i appreciate the opportunity toy discuss these important issues discusou and i look forward to responding to questions you may have. >> thanks for that testimony. >t ms. mason, please proceed. make sure that your mic is on, please. >> good morning. p chairman

first, a ferguson police officer was shot in the arm while on patrol. authorities say he went in to do a building check and saw someone run away. when the officer got out of his car to chase, police say the suspect turned around and shot the officer. the incident drew crowds and raised nerves in a city already on frenlg weeening from weeks od the question many people were asking -- >> is this related to the protest? >> i don't think it is. it didn't happen within the proximity of the protest area. this is an area that's fairly secluded and i wouldn't have any reason to believe right now that it was linked in any way, shape, manner or form with the protests. >> reporter: the shooting happened near the ferguson community center. the officer survived. the wound said to be non-life-threatening, exactly three hours later another shooting took place, this time a drive-by on interstate 70 near the st. louis airport. police say someone opened fire on an off-duty officer in his personal vehicle. the officer survived with a few minor injuries from broken glass an

i think we've heard during the interview that ferguson p.d. is more than open and willing to look at what they have going on and make changes that will help their form of policing. as stated, these things take time, and the problem with that is often the community doesn't have the patience for the time that it does take for those investigations and those initial implementation of the changes of policies. and it's not just the changes. they do have to take hold. so you have to have some sustainment there over a period of time. >> woodruff: the justice department announced this investigation just a month after the initial shooting. thanks to you both for joining us, tracie keesee and robert driscoll, we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> woodruff: so imagine you have two minutes to make your case for why you should be accepted to a college. and to do that, all you have to do is submit a short video you recorded on your cellphone. that's been unheard of until now. today, a liberal arts college announced its plan to do just that. jeffrey brown has th

covered the price presence in ferguson firsthand. and hilary shelton, washington bureau director and senior vice president for advocacy for national association for the advancement of colored people where he has worked on a wide variety of legislative issues. mr. shelton, being an important person within the naacp, is also a st. louis native. we're glad you're here. i would like to thank you for being here. we'll begin with your testify, mr. bueermann. >> thank you for this opportunity to appear before you to discuss this important topic. as the senator just mentioned, the police foundation's mission is to advance democratic policing through innovation and science. we conduct rigorous scientific research, provide technical assistance that help police across the country become more effective. like many americans, i've been closely following the events in missouri and the national discussion about the militarization of american civil police forces. central to this issue is the use of military-like equipment and tactics of police. conve

we have met with the mayor, the city manager, and the police chief in ferguson.d this investigation, and they have pled pledged their complete cooperation. this investigation will be conducted both rigorously and in a timely manner so we can move forward as expeditiously as possible to restore trust, to rebuild understanding and to foster cooperation between law enforcement and community members. at the same time, i want to make very clear that as this investigation unfolds and as it evolves, we will follow the facts and law wherever they may lead. and if at any point we find reason to expand our inquiry to include additional police forces in neighboring jurisdictions, we will not hesitate to do so. in fact, i can also announce today that above and beyond our investigation in ferguson, we are taking proactive steps to engage the st. louis county police department in what is known as a collaborative reform effort. this partnership is being led by the cops office working with officials to conduct a comprehensive assessment. the st. louis county police chief has vol

like the unrest in ferguson, missouri, mistrust and anger collided in boston. enforcement was failing, even refusing to admit that gangs were in town. >> there appeared to be no rules and the politicians, the secular politicians, had no idea what to do with something which in their historical memory had no precedent. >> reporter: then against all odds the shadow of boston's big mountain began to fade. reverend rivers along with other inner city ministers founded the ten point coalition, an organization that targets at-risk youth. they also began laying the foundation for trust between skeptical residents and the police. it didn't happen overnight. little by little, boston started chipping away at its crime rate. more police officers hit the streets, but part of the solution was the church, pastors who spent more time out on the streets than they did behind the pulpit. reverend bruce wall, then a youth pastor who often teamed up with rivers, started hanging out at chez vous, a rollerskating rink that at the time was popular with gang members. he was aiming for t

louis suburb of ferguson, missouri.ric holder announced the justice department is opening a separate and broader investigation of the ferguson police department. >> in ferguson, our investigation will assess the police department's use of force, including deadly force. it will analyze stops, searches and arrests. and it will examine the treatment of individuals detained at ferguson's city jail. in addition to other potentially discriminatory policing tactics that were brought to light. >> joining us now benjamin crump, the attorney for michael brown's family. mr. crump, thank you very much for joining us. what is the family reaction, your reaction to what the attorney general announced today? >> well, wolf, the family's encouraged because it gives them some belief that transparency is at the forefront of the investigation by the justice department and they are wondering, was their son's death part of a pattern and practice of police excessive force? they want to know those answers, as many around the country want to kno

it's not just in the city of ferguson. within st. louis county you have almost 94 different municipal police departments. so say you may have a warrant in neighboring jennings and in ferguson. you get pulled over in jennings. they take you in. mess you around there and they take you back to the city of ferguson. so if you have numerous traffic tickets within st. louis county, you could be going to eight different police departments for these warrants before you are taken to clayton or back to the original place where the original warrant is. it's a revolving door. people within that community are sick and they are tired of it. and we at the naacp have been out crying about this for decade. this problem, you've taken a look at the numbers. the statistics don't lie. there's evidently a problem there. >> it's such a striking issue. members of the msnbc team in ferguson, including our own producer sarah boxer went down there n found that to be a prominent threat in this story. that people were suffering under the onus of this financial b

joining us to debate this is ben ferguson, host of the ben ferguson show.mmentator and legal analyst. and cnn's marc lamont hill is back with us. great to have you here. mel, is this terrorism? >> absolutely. that's exactly what this is. and i think it's important to call it that for three reasons. the first one is if we don't draw a very clear line between terrorists that are committing these kinds of acts and the vast majority of muslims in this world that are peaceful and that are also horrified by this kind of stuff, then you're creating problems for the law-abiding, the peaceful muslims that -- >> of course. of course. and i'm sorry to interrupt you. but what makes this terrorism? rather than just a deranged crazy person killing a co-worker. >> beheading. >> there are two reasons what makes this terrorism. first of all, there are substantial pieces of evidence that link this guy to the beheadings that have been happening overseas. just a week ago there was a 42-minute-long video that was put out calling for lone wolf attacks. we don't know if this guy

cnn's stephanie elam is in ferguson., very unhappy yet again with the chief. >> reporter: that's true. it was a p.r. campaign that did not go quite exactly the way the police department wanted it to go. >> what do you want me -- >> what do you mean? >> talk to me. >> reporter: it was supposed to be the ferguson police chief's so-called apology tour. >> i've been wanting to apologize. >> reporter: a time to say "sorry" to the community for how his department handled the shooting of michael brown by officer darren wilson in august. but instead, the chief was outside of police headquarters defending himself against calls for his resignation. >> all i've got to say is this is a [ bleep ] tragedy. we all know that. and i'm sorry and i say that from my heart. you don't have to accept that. you don't have to accept that. that came from my heart. i had to get that off my chest. it's been sitting there for two months. do we have a linchpin? we have to increase training and awareness, we have to get out into the community, we have

it seems to me, my question to you is, how many fergusons are there out there? >> i think that's what we see across the country, right? and it's like people who focus in on this one case or eric garner, the reason people react the way they do, is not because this one thing of injustice possibly occurred, because it's something that people are seeing systematically, and this is the straw that broke the camel's back, i know our new president and ceo has been talking to the department of justice about trying to look at ways to best investigate and deal with these issues, and hopefully this type of investigation is a step forward. >> there's also the unique role the federal government has played here. there's an old question about who polices the police. if you're in ferguson, because they had so many complaints, it was such a basket case of the department. who's in charge of that? >> where is the accountability? and in many cases there's not, unless the federal government gets involved. >> that's why you need local protests that bring in national officials, that's