through electrical fire and that's where those issues with raised >> another one is two hour rated firewalls around the room is that considered. >> i think you're being lead down a radical frankly. no other carries do that. we're happy to in this instance we're adding a seal around the door and just - if it makes, you know, sense for us to do that we're happy to seal off the door to prevent, you know, you know - they say it's not a flood zone they've up sized sewer pipe but if it makes the tenants of the building happier we're happy to seal off that room >> so if there were a flood from inside or outside the water couldn't penetrate? >> yes and i have a question for dr. i don't remember this from your testimony but the flood that occurred in 2006 or wherever your office was flooded i saw the payment was that from a source within your office or outside the building >> it was a source of two toilets. there is a toilet a bathroom on the directly underneath the staircase it's a still there and that toilet overflows two or three times a year >> specifically in my office we have a value that turns

rest of the bbg board must remain behind the firewall. the most important thing that u.s./international broadcasting has in its favor around the world is its credibility. so my suggestion to you, and i urge you that when you are considering making certain changes, keep in mind that the most thing that we have going for us is our credibility. i don't think you get that by destroying the broadcast entities in any way, shape or form. i don't believe you get that by putting va and the rest of the -- v, a and the rest of the entities in the state department. i'm not in favor of that. my, while there's so much to talk about it's hard to know where to stop, i want to leave you with just one more thing before we go, before we answer questions. assuming you get this 100% right in the structure -- and the structure is 100% correct and everybody's satisfied with whatever structure you come up with, it still only addresses half of the problem. the other half of the problem after structure and whatever reforms you want to put into place is that u.s./i

you have eliminated that firewall. the sequester is in place. sequester is bad for this country.you and i tend to agree on that, i think. the fact is there's no legislation to undo that sequester, except the legislation you talked about passing in the last congress, is dead and buried. yes, we want regular order. the reason the bill lost today is because 62 of your members rejected mr. lucas' plea, which i thought was eloquent, in which he said i know some of you do not think there is enough reform in this bill, and some of you think there is too much reform. but mr. peterson and i brought out a bill that was a bipartisan bill, supported by the majority of democrats and the majority -- maybe all the republicans, maybe i am not sure that -- but the fact of the matter is it was a bipartisan bill, just as homeland security bill was bipartisan, and it was turned into a partisan bill. that is exactly what mr. lucas was talking about. he was saying some people do not think we went far enough and some people think we went too far. mr. sutherland though

. >> we need to have firewalls. we need to create balances.he supreme court the other day said you can get dna from people who are arrested for crime. if the only dna you could get is that which is like a fingerprint, that's one thing but if you can then use it to go and find medical records, we need firewalls. we need safety. we shouldn't ever trust. but we need to think hard about this and strike the appropriate balance. we shouldn't overreact by taking away from our government essential technological powers that do in fact protect us. >> tom fuentes, is the biggest problem here new technology in the sense this wouldn't have been even an issue 15 years ago, because even if he wanted to, there wouldn't have been an internet or any of that kind of stuff available to invade. so it's kind of a symptom, really, of modern times, isn't it? >> well, that's absolutely true, you would not have had this capability. i know during my career with the fbi, we didn't have this ability to get such huge quantities of data so quickly. but don't forget also, pi

make sure that your antivirus software and firewalls are up to date.d smart cards. make those passwords tougher to figure out. the fda says, so far, it's not aware of any patient injuries or deaths from the hacking of medical equipment. but mcclure says almost everything's wide open. pacemakers and other cardiac equipment can be slowed or disabled, monitors could shut off. at beth israel deaconess medical center in boston a few years ago, a glitch, not a hack, slowed down fetal monitors for women with high-risk pregnancies. the computer systems for these devices are interconnected, wide open and widespread. >> on an average day, beth israel deaconess has 15,000 devices connected to its network, things you wouldn't normally think of as being connected to a network, like a monitor or an iv pump today are smart. >> reporter: dr. john halamka says his hospital does firewall off its systems to prevent hacking, but even with the fda tightening up on manufacturers, experts say it will be a long time before the manufacturers really get safer devices in place.

he is calling on them to build together a firewall against unprecedented attempts by the government toiolate religious liberty. he says recent actions by the i.r.s. targeted christian groups and the h.s.s. birth control mandate are examples of the dangers that the road america is travelling on. >> i never would have believed in my generation i would see this taking place. so silence is not an option. today's complacency will lead to tomorrow's captivity. and religious freedom stands as the womb by which all of the other liberties emerge and flurry rish. >> george: he says the u.s. government needs to be reminded that it may be our earthly uncle, but he is not and never will be our heavenly father. >> wendy: in belgium, controversy over a researcher fired for being too religious. the school that fired him, an historically catholic university. dale hurd has that story from the city of luven. >> reporter: the catholic university of luven is the oldest and largest university in belgium. it was founded in the 1400s under the approval of the vatican. but as modern europe has secularrized, so

ahead hit the driver right in the helmet and knocked him unconscious, and he went straight into the firewall and nearly killed the guy. he was in a coma for weeks. that is how dangerous a little piece of debris on a racetrack can be. >>> you are not going to believe what's inside that hat. >> spider? >> no. >> miniature person? >> tiny hours' old hedgehogs, hoglet hoglets. >> how did they get in there? >> according to the owner of the rescue, the mom either bailed or tried to kill the baby, but somebody brought them in. he has not had them for more than 15 minutes. >> these are extremely young. >> they don't look real. >> little pin cushions with legs. >> listen to them. they are sleeping so high pitched because they are cold, so he is rushing to heat up an incubator, because he cannot feed them until they are warm. >> give them some cles strom. try to get them warm. >> at this point, he does get them to eat which is a great sign. >> look at the little mouths open up when they saw the syringe coming toward it. >> these babies need round-the-clock care. >> these guys have to be constantly hel

that their policies are varied a little bit since that time but to this present day that the great firewall of china still tries to block a wiki leaks they sent out censorship demands to censor the reportage of the cables in china not just about trying to put about anything at all after the first day of reporting we got hold of that request and published it so. we'll see what this new president to try to is like that. so the under under the previous politburo. the chinese government is no friend there is obviously and he has long range recently on a corrupt practices whether it's someone else's government or from there and so he's in a difficult position in hong kong perhaps he has a plan that we don't know about i do not observe we heard a line today from to be to press call for president putin's press secretary that if mr snowden wanted it russia may consider giving him shelter here if you think you'd ask for it i think he would be well advised to consider that. he would be advised to. try and find a similar offer in south america. these are countries that for south america it's quite cle

needs to be an ombudsman that overrides and in effect oversees the process beyond what i consider a firewall that now exists in the city attorney's office and the planning department. it's got to be beyond it [speaker not understood] needs to be in the guarantee. we need to protect the investment. we also need to protect [speaker not understood] safety. i think the final thing is regard continued violations of the sunshine act. we've been amending this process without taking due note of the state law. it needs to be done. finally, i keep saying this is a cumulative environmental impact that has not been fully mitigated. therefore, the city needs to provide funding and means to do so. and thank you for your interest. >> thank you, mr. showden. >>> good afternoon, supervisors. jim lazarus, san francisco chamber of commerce. also here for our 60-member alliance for jobs and sustainable growth to thank the supervisors, david chiu, and others that were involved in lengthy negotiations and the entire board for i think indications of support that we think are there for a unanimous approval of a pro

and seven good policies and very little bit since that time but to this present day that the great firewall of china still tries. reports say u.s. officials are already in the process of filing charges against the twenty nine year old less than a week after the whistleblower revealed america's citizens spying to britain's guardian newspaper at the moment no one knows where snowden is he was last seen checking out of this hotel in hong kong that's where he remained for a while after revealing his identity to the global media it's thought he may still be in hong kong the chinese territory has an extradition treaty with the united states but the process could stretch out for months and could potentially be blocked by beijing. the american surveillance program reportedly has much larger goals than just spying on its own citizens is our building correspondent peter oliver has been finding it. among the information that was revealed by whistleblower edward snowden is a map that shows where around the world the united states was listening in to people's telephone conversations this maps generated

people tongue and cheek call it the great firewall of china.of the comments that have been posted on social media here about the data mining in the united states, some people were saying the same thing is happening in china. another is saying there's no privacy on the internet and others are saying you can't trust what google and apple are saying that they don't provide information to governments. people are not so surprised. >> reporter: israelis and palestinians weren't that shocked because there's no expectation of privacy. israel has broad surveillance laws allowing monitoring of phone, internet and even your gps location. authorities have monitored activities of activists and protesters and even the tax and park authorities can request data for routine investigations. palestinians are concerned about how they data is used. israelis don't seem to care. they seem to be willing to trade privacy for security but privacy securities say if they knew how extensively their data was used, they'd be outraged. >> reporter: russia's federal security s

thousand and seven the policies are very little bit since that time but to this present day the great firewall of china still tries. or reports say that u.s. officials are already in the process of filing charges against the twenty nine year old less than a week after the whistleblower revealed america's citizens spying to britain's guardian newspaper at the moment no one knows where snowden is he was last seen checking out of this hotel in hong kong that's where he remained for a while after revealing his identity to the global media it's thought he may still be in hong kong the chinese territory has an extradition treaty with the united states but the process could stretch out for months and could potentially be blocked by beijing with us next is norman solomon a director of the institute for public accuracy he's in san francisco. thank you very much for your time and coming on to our to this evening firstly snowden is now on the run how do you see this story imagining. well politically to some extent and i think it's the united states government because despite all the claims from the white

and where's the firewall?proposed law, they're only supposedly supposed to look at the data. how do they do it? >> commissioner, can't they do it after the fact? can't they actually access the phone then? call nsa. call verizon. >> they can do a letter. they do it all the time. if they're concerned about the cell phone information being destroyed -- >> is a text message self-preserved? no. >> three to seven days according to the carrier. are they really looking at the text message itself or the data history? it has to address data usage. >> that's a good point. commissioner, if they're looking at the data usage and time, that's something they can get down the road. issue a subpoena. they can get it down the road. >> they can, but it's also physical evidence. if i have a bloody phone, i'd like to walk that phone into a courtroom. >> i bet you would. i bet you would. hesitate to thank that, commissioner. >> we're making the law enforcement officer on the scene a judge. the law enforcement officer is making a jud

international broadcasting is beyond and behind the firewall. they must remain behind the firewall. most important thing that u.s. international broadcasting has in its favor around the world is its credibility. i urgeestion to you, and you that if you're considering making certain changes, keep in mind that the most thing we have going for us is our credibility. i do not think you get that by in anying the broadcast way shape or form. i am not in favor of that. while there is so much talk about, it is hard to know where to stop. i want to leave you with just one more thing. assuming you get that right, and the structure is 100% correct, and everyone is satisfied with whatever structure you come up with, it is still only addressing half of the problem. the other half of the problem after restructure and reform jewel to put into place is that u.s. international broadcasting is substantially underfunded to do what it needs to do. if you lookmple -- at al jazeera and united states today, they are welcome here because the first amendment. their spending $800 million to -- that is over 1

but i think that material -- i don't think a material effect is a system was broken into any firewallnted people from getting any information. should that be disclosed automatically? i don't think so. there has to be some level of privacy for these companies i am allor protecting hareholders, but i think we really have to get into what is materi and what is not. dennis: rule of thumb, i always thought some event has an effect of a 10 percent change in the mpy's revenue, profits are stock price is a material event. some 10%. this case hackers love getting attention. if we start requiring companies to put up a disclosure when they merely threan to break in, aren't we basically giving them exactlwhat they want, more publicity? >> i agree with you 100 percent. every time something pottially happens are there is a potential cyber attack i think that we play right into exactly what they want, which isust extensive attention and so i think, again, we have to really sit down becse now this is an issue with technologicaa advancement. this is the downside of technology expanding. t i don't beli

there will be a universal dna bank and we don't have a firewall between using dna for personal identification as a fingerprint and looking into a person's dna. their genetics how long they're going to live. what diseases they're likely to get, whether they have propensities to violence and crime. dna is the key the government could use to unlock all of our privacy and the supreme court has not been focused on creating protections against that. >> where is that line, though, alan, between our constitutional right to be protected against search and seizure of our property and information and the government's necessary right to obtain information to stop bad people? >> well, you know, the originalists say you go back to 1793 and say what the framers had in mind. the framers couldn't have contemplated dna banks, we have to ask ourselves where that line should be drawn. now where i draw the line is externality versus internality. i don't want the government to know what my dna says about my jeanet genetics. i am less concerned with them taking pictures of me walking down the street without knowing

are inside of it, they can manipulate your vehicle, although manufacturers are also coming up with firewallsit, all the germans are even working on us. every single car manufacturer is fighting to be the first one to say that we have the most secure vehicle and you get that ability to have a connected part. not just a bigger bag of worms in that respect, but also some aspects. autonomous parsing that you will not necessarily be driving and then somebody could hack it. gerri: exactly. thank you for coming on the show. it is good to see you. >> thank you. >> onto the stay in business. in 1978, remember garfield? he made his comic strip debut. created by jim davis, chronicles the life of garfield and a league. today the comic strip is featured in roughly more than 2500 newspapers and journals. garfield has been the subject of books and movies and tv shows and is one of the hottest in history. the lasagna loving cat and his friends run into a billion dollars in merchandise anyway. and he holds the guinness world record for being the world's most widely syndicated comic strip. it started today, j

incoming cyber attacks on the system, and he also administered a lot of the rules, regulations and firewalls that prevented inside people and out from getting places they were not supposed to. suggestion, and i know this is your source, but is there any suggestion that he took the job for the sole reason that thes mind made up thing needed to be exposed and got in there and got this job so he could do that? he spent a lot more years working in the intelligence community. he never told me he took the job in order to carry out his plan, but it is looking more and more like that based on the external evidence. >> what do we make of the fact that once he does this and he goes to russia and all of that -- this is not your standard of whistle-blower. takeover -- >> there are a lot of people but argue he is not a whistle-blower at all. whether or not he is probably comes down to the first question you asked, what kind of person he is and so forth. i think this is coming with interesting context at a moment when there is a new president and china. president and china. the return of our previous pres

people think, oh, china, great firewall. mainland china does have significant restrictions on free speech, but the hong kong, the people of hong kong have a long tradition of protesting in the streets, of making their views known. the internet is not filtered here. more so than any other western government. and i believe that the hong kong government is actually independent in relation to a lot of other leading western governments. >> if your motive had been to harm the united states and help its enemies, or if your motive had been personal material gain, were there things you could have done with these documents to advance those goals that you didn't end up doing? >> absolutely. i mean, anybody in the positions of access with the technical capabilities that i had could, you know, suck out secrets, pass them on the open market to russia. you know, they always have an open door, as we do. i had access to, you know, the full rosters of everyone working at the nsa, the entire intelligence community and undercover assets all aro

if we were in yesterday's situation where the eurozone did not have a firewall i think we would probablyto recommend the same thing because having recommended something, the fruits might have exposed volt eurozone which is a much bigger gamble than addressing a country program appropriately by the standards.@ we did not, you know, break any rules. we apply the rules with a specific caveat concerning greece which was approved by the institution, which was approved by the board. the imf is known to be very rule driven. anything that we do is approved by the board. and we are also known for revisiting what we do and trying lessons. liz: line from its mistake. finally, you are presiding over one of the most important times in our history when it comes to all of the situations are going on. do you think that the problems in europe will be a significant drag and the as states and its recovery? >> it is one of the potential risks on the horizon, but that risk was very heavy back a year ago because reduce overtime and all we hope is that the europeans will continue to strengthen and get out of t

make sure that your antivirus software and firewalls are up to date.ose passwords tougher to figure out. the fda says, so far, it's not aware of any patient injuries or deaths from the hacking of medical equipment, but mcclure says almost everything's wide open. pacemakers and other cardiac equipment westbound slowed or disabled. monitors could shut off. at beth israel deaconess medical center in boston a few years ago, a glitch, not a hack, slowed down fetal monitors for women with high-risk pregnancies. the computer systems for these devices are interconnected, wide open, and widespread. >> on an average day, beth israel deaconess has 15,000 devices connected to its network, things you wouldn't normally think of as being connected to a network, like a monitor or an iv pump today are smart. >> dr. john halamka says his hospital does firewall off its system to prevent hacking. but even with the fda tightening up on manufacturers, experts say it's going to be a long time before those manufacturers really get safer devices in place. the manufacturers may

great think, china, a firewall.hey do have a significant restrictions on free speech, but the people of hong kong have a long tradition of protesting in the streets, making their views known. the internet is not filtered here, no more so than any other western governments. i believe the hong kong government is actually independent in relation to a lot of other leading western governments. >> [indiscernible] been purgedve had the material came, were there things you could have done with these documents to advance those goals you did not to? >> absolutely. anyone in the positions of access with technical capabilities that i had could suck out secrets and pass them on the open market. pressure always has an open door, as do we. i had access to the full rosters of everyone working at the nsa, the entire intelligence community, and undercover assets all around the world. the locations of every station we have, their missions and so forth. if i just wanted to harm u.s., you could shut down the surveillance system in an af

department so they have good strong firewalls. >> we had security measures in place and cyber security is a neverending battle. >> reporter: and if you shopped again at raley's bel air, nob hill food source or aisle one all affiliated with raley's, you definitely want to check your statement. the company has some more information as well on their website. and you know, to that person's point, the cyber attacks you hear about a lot more often. just the latest stat, 31% of cyber attacks occurred on small businesses. that number has doubled and some big business, citigroup, jpmorgan, big companies, they are still vulnerable. it's up to the consumer to keep an eye on your statements. >> thank you, sue kwon. as sue said, raley's is posting updates on its website. there, customers can find a hotline to call for more information. >>> 5:08. the fbi says a band of cereal bank robbers is operating here in the -- serial bank robbers is operating here in the bay area. three men hit the bank of america yesterday. they are also linked to robberies on monday in san francisco and another in millbrae.

would give the nsa a role in,ing would with corporate america to have better protections, better firewalls against outside attacks. >> and the nsa and with dhs and the fbi and other agencies, they are confident they know what they're doing. they are sworn to uphold the constitution and they're very good and when there are mistakes and there have been mistakes, congress can see it there can be oversight. . courts can step in and there can be corrections. the system isn't perfect. no system is perfect. but it's a good system. >> jeremy, one last question, if you were president xi and you knew what we do in terms of eavesdropping, would you want to stay at sunnylands? or would you be going to the hyatt? >> well i think first of all, i think he would be somewhat on the defensive because he knows his own government, he has a problem. >> so if he spies, he figures we spy. >> but it's two different kinds of looks. it's espionage against our economic secrets and then there's getting ready for the summit. >> yeah getting ready for the summit can just imagine. >> the shirt sleeve summit. >> thank yo

but i tell you what, it makes very clear, there can be no firewalls in this department of justice.hey can't investigate themselves. we have got to have a select committee, a special prosecutor, some outside source because they cannot do it themselves. >> kelly: what do you want done? what do you think the attorney general should be doing and to that end, what should the president do? i realize that the attorney general is a close friend of his. they're good ally, good friends. but what should be done in this particular case? >> well, the attorney general doesn't need to be the attorney general. we felt that. we saw that with fast and furious, when so many of us requested his resignation back then. that's also what i did when i called the white house back when bush was president because when there has been an egregious violation in the department, whether or not the attorney general knew about it, in this case, he knew well more than he told us, he needs t. you got to have a change when the credibility of department is harmed this much and it really has, especially with doj now beco

it's filtered through a firewall, but they do have access to our internet production and they also haveevision. so their knowledge of us is remarkably sophisticated and when china looks at us, they see a lot they want to copy. >> they see an economy that's grown historically and not so much now, but in history has grown. they see a koucountry that's bea global player especially because they don't want to be pushed around within asia and things that we're not doing right. our political system at least elites in china think this that it provides rights for people doesn't decisively solve problems and they fear that about democracy. that's one reason that the most senior people in china don't want to try out democracy because they see themselves as in a long-term sort of project of bringing their country into the first rank in the world and they think if you have to run for election every two years or every four years in the case of the president, you're not going have a long-term view. you know, deep down you have to wonder whether they might sometimes be right about that even though on h

department so that they have good strong firewalls. >> we had security measures in place and cyber security is a never-ending battle. >> reporter: raley's this morning again confirming it had security in place but it is today enhanced. if you shop at raley's bel air, nob hill, food source or aisle one, you're asked to look at your credit card and debit card statements to make sure there's no suspicious activity. definitely let the company know if there has been. good thing to know is that no p.i.n., security information or addresses have been sacrificed. back to you. >> thank you. raley's is posting updates on its website and a hotline for more information. >>> the fbi says a trio of serial bank robbers is operating in the bay area. the men hit yesterday morning at the bank of america in san francisco's parkside neighborhood is. they are also linked to robbery on monday in san francisco and one in millbrae. a fourth which happened at a san francisco wells fargo back in april. >>> these are surveillance pictures of the robberies. investigators say they are always dressed in black hoodies and

you have eliminated that firewall. the sequester is in place. sequester is that for this country. the fact is there's no legislation to undo that sequester, except the legislation you talked about passing in the last congress, the g is dead, and buried. yes, we want regular order. the reason the bill lost today is because 62 of your members 'plea, which lucas i thought was eloquent, in which he said i know some of you do not think there is enough reform in this bill and some of you think there is too much reform. but mr. peterson and i brought out a bill that was a bipartisan bill, supported by the majority of democrats and the majority -- maybe all the republicans, maybe -- i am not sure that -- but the fact of the matter is it was a bipartisan bill, just as homeland security bill was bipartisan, and it was turned .nto a b partisan bill that is exactly what mr. lucas was talking about. he was saying some people do not think we went far enough and some people think we went to far. mr. sutherland thought we had not gone far enough. for58 republicans voted sutherland that turned aro

seven that their policies are very little bit since that time but to this present day that the great firewall of china still try to split. well reports say u.s. officials are already in the process of filing charges against the twenty nine year old less than a week after the whistleblower revealed america's citizens spying to britain's guardian newspaper at the moment no one knows where snowden is he was last thing checking out of this hotel in hong kong that's where he remained for a while after revealing his identity to the global media it's thought he may still be in hong kong the chinese territory has an extradition treaty with the united states though but the process could stretch out for months and could potentially be blocked by beijing with us next to free speech and because michael parenti a journalist and blogger who's in vienna thank you very much for your time michael . has been revealing the u.s. national security agency also snoops on the e.u. member states as well as germany the most why do you think that is why is it interested in keeping tabs on those living across the ocean.

they have been over reliant on things like firewalls and thanks to protect them against these new threats really require advanced threat capabilities. through the oil and gas sector that we are worried about or talking about with this potential attack from anonymous, you talk about physical security. is there a threat coming from this cyber threat? it seems that there is a huge physical threat to these facilities? >> there is very much so. you had 30,000 machines that were literally destroyed by what are called logic bombs. these systems control real systems that move fuel, lube oil and new petroleum. you could create wide spread outages. you could create a phenomenon where there are fires. connell: if you are right in your assessment, do you talk to people in the oil and gas business? >> i am here to tell senior executives in the sack or to really pay attention. thursday, wednesday night into thursday, they will see a manifestation. certain industries are more secure and certain corporation have taken cyber more seriously. it is time to get serious. it is obvious that there is a call to

incredibly important for companies is for them to have confidence when they buy a antimalware system or firewalleviewed and approved by the u.s. government, they face limited damages or no liability for doing so. dennis: isn't this going in the3 wrong direction? rather than granting immunity, what if we started charging companies for liability for break-ins and they would do a better job of stopping hacking? >> that's the problem. liability can be extraordinarily expensive and protracted. the companies don't know what to do, and they are almost helpless saying let's sue all the time. if we do that, companies are going to walk away from the market. they will turn around and start suing the cybersecurity vendors, and companies walk from the markets. it's a perverse incentive to enforce and look to litigation and liability litigation because if you do that, then you're going to -- you're going to wind up in a system where companies are only willing to take extreme risks, and they will go forward and offer services and leave ourself defenseless. dennis: in that case, only lawyers win. thank you for

you have eliminated that firewall. you've assumed sequester is in place. sequester's bad for this country. you and i tend to agree on, that i think. but the fact is there's no legislation to undo that sequester. except the legislation you talk about passing in the last congress. which is dead, gone and buried. yes, we want regular order. the reason the bill lost today s because 62 of your members rejected mr. lucas' plea which i thought was a very eloquent plea, and which he said, i know some of you don't think there's enough reform in this bill and some of you want -- think there's too much reform. but mr. peterson and i brought out a bill that was a bipartisan bill. supported by the majority of democrats and the majority -- i think all republicans, maybe. on the committee. i'm not sure of that, mr. leader. but the fact of the matter is, it was a bipartisan bill. just as homeland security was a bipartisan bill. and it was turned into a partisan bill. and you responded, the southerland amendment was for reforms. that's exactly what mr. lucas was talking ab