but luckily and fortutely, they have caught this. it's been flagged.heyre going to put measures in to prevent it from happening in the future. and already this year, as john alluded to, they have already caught about $12 billion in fraudulent claims that they will not have go out. and so we can only hope that that continues, and that they start reducing the incide of it. but it's something that also the ivate sector has to endure and combat andpends billions of dollars trying to do so as well. >> ok. but jonas, let's get jonas in here, they have a really big job, in additi to what they're already doing. >> first of all, let's say the good -- the other panel should be saying good things about the irs before the october 15 deadline like i did, and they woul't be facing all of this. >> smart boy. >> first of all, look, the s is not the perfect agcy to implementhis. this is a ridiculous day of doing the health care thing. however, of all the government agencies, i give the irs the most credit. as an example. if you look at the amount of monethat they handl

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