and on the fact-free duplicitous nature of all of this, franchesca, we have brand-new -- i'm going to play for the first time, within the last hour, one of trump's top spokesman from the rnc, sean spicer, making -- and i want to be clear with viewers before we play this, this is a false claim, as far as we can figure out. but we're going to play it. sean spicer fallsly alleging that somehow this foreign adversarial hack would not have occurred if it were not for hillary clinton's private e-mail server, which was a different trove of e-mails, altogether. >> do i think foreign governments, russia and other, try to probe u.s. sites, government and otherwise? absolutely. china, russia, we do it, they do it. but i think the problem i have with this story and the narrative that's out there about russia a few things. number one, this wouldn't have happened if hillary clinton didn't have a secret server. >> franchesca, what do you think of that claim? >> well, as you noted, the hacks were on democratic party officials within the dnc and also on clinton's campaign chairman, john podesta. what