the claims of voter fraud. and that's a pretty, you know, this is what donald trump keeps saying, it's rigged, it's rigged, they're going to have voter fraud in philadelphia, in chicago. very specific. what did you find? >> we investigated their claims that they sent to us, actual cases of voter fraud. they happen. they're extremely rare. there's no proof of any kind of vast conspiracy or an attempt to rig an election. and today, several republican officials i talked to from florida to philadelphia, to oust west, believe this attempt to smear an election's validity is wrong without factual basis. what the trump campaign is doing, they're citing tiny cases of individual voter fraud. they're citing a couple of studies, one with debatable results, others they are misinterpreting and trying to use these cherry-picked information to conclude the entire system is rigged. it is not. we asked the trump campaign for its proof. they sent this e-mail today. this details all the facts alleged by them about fraud and we che

is voter fraud.at is different about tonight and how he wins. he goes down a different path. he spends 10, 15 minutes prosecuting possibly the past and everything we talked about. more importantly, he talks about his policies for the future. most americans today, they're tired of all this. they want to know the policy points. when he talks about ethics reform or call for term limits, when he talks about policy, i think that's what americans on both sides of the aisle want to hear. >> do you believe there's large-scale voter fraud as donald trump says? >> i think what this election comes down to is a few thousand votes in a state, we have to take a look. we've seen 1.75 million people on the rolls who are dead -- >> even that study doesn't show examples of voter fraud, just problems with voter registration. >> we don't know of those 1.75 million people if any plan on voting this year. we know it could happen again. it's happened before. >> this is the most dangerous rhetoric that the trump campaign ha

if he wins by just a few, is that voter fraud? you know?you know, i think we all have a responsibility on all sides of the aisle to talk about these issues seriously and soberly and there is a danger of voter fraud, but -- and we believe in north carolina more needs to be done. that's why governor mccrory and republicans passed more. unfortunately, we were blocked by the courts and north carolina has been told that basically we are second class citizens because we can't have the same laws that are in virginia and indiana and other places. >> dallas -- >> of course, our intention is to win these elections and win them by a healthy margin. >> dallas woodhouse, great to have you with us. we wish you the best in rebuilding that office as quickly as you can. >> thanks, dallas. >> thank you. >>> on the attack, donald trump fires back at the women accusing him of sexual misconduct, calling their stories phony and 100% made up. >>> plus the battle to retake the last isis stronghold in iraq. heavy gunfire, explosions as iraqi led forces go in. cnn i

this notion of voter fraud, there are 31 documented cases of voter fraud since 2000 out of the one billion votes that happen cast. you are more likely to be struck by lightning than to commit voter fraud. the justice department did a five-year investigation. they were not able to bring a conviction of one person in terms of voter impersonation. it is a very narrow issue. there are much bigger problems. >> the headline of the nation says that voter suppression is a much bigger problem than voter fraud. election lies distract from the real threat to american democracy. what is voter suppression, professor overton? >> that was a great story by ari berman. ari finds that many voters who are excluded who are eligible voters are results of restrictive attempts justified by forbidding fraud. in north carolina, they found that 2300 eligible voters were prevented from casting a ballot, even though there had been only two cases of voter impersonation since 2002 great -- 2002. we're talking about 13,000 eligible voters big alluded -- being excluded. the stateout all of voting laws? have they contribu

but that's voter registration fraud and it's different from voter fraud itself. the idea of somebody going in and being an impostor and doubling in as a dead person or something like that is very, very rare. but both parties aggressively try to register new voters in the run-up to a new election just as they do in the primaries of both parties, but there has been a disparity between the clinton claim and the trump campaign when it comes to voter registrations. for instance, florida, a state where if donald trump were not to win there, it would be hard to see a path for him to the electoral votes to win. the democrats have registered new voters in excess of half a million people where the trump campaign is down around 60,000. that's not necessarily an indication that there's something hokey going on with the democratic registrants. there is also the problem of ground game. the trump campaign has had a hard time getting organized and doing a lot of this sort of electoral mechanics. they have to be focused on voter registration attempted the fraud versus voter fraud

widespread voter fraud is a myth. there is just a 1 in 32 million chance that someone committed voter fraud over the last 14 years. to put that in perspective, you're more likely to be struck by lightning, you're also more likely to be attacked by a shark, you even will be more likely to have been elected president of the united states than to find a case of voter fraud. joining me now is boris epstein, trump campaign senior adviser. thank you for being here. >> of course, thank you for having me. >> boris, just how big would clinton's win have to be for trump to admit it is, quote, not questionable? >> it is not about the size of -- or any difference in the election, and donald trump is going to win. so it is not about hillary clinton's, you know, supposed win that is not going to happen. the issue here, we should be agreeing on this, is we want for the election to have integrity, to be proper, and then to be verified and certified and then there won't be any issues. >> we agree with that. but when you raise issues l

florida wasn't voter fraud. that was a real think tight race. >> that's not what al gore said. >> so what if he said it. that doesn't make it true. al gore is your source for donald trump being right? >> no, absolutely not. what i'm saying is it has been put out there that those in the bush administration have said that there is absolutely no voter fraud. look, i'm not -- >> no, no, no, no not absolutely no voter fraud. congresswoman, i want to be clear about this. everybody will acknowledge that there are flaws in the system, there is fraud. >> yeah. >> but there has been a lot of exhaustive research on this, and the idea of widespread fraud in any election, let alone this one, has almost no basis in fact. >> well, you're focusing on one area. you're focusing on one area, the political system, our democratic system alone. that's not fair. that's really not what donald trump is talking about. >> what do you think he's talking about? >> no, that is not what donald trump has talked about -- what he has talked abou

where does all of the voter fraud take place?mazingly only in urban areas populated by, you know who. so he is now going to delegitimize hillary clinton's victory because she won based on black voters. only black people like black panther party commit voter fraud? i would imagine most of it would be committed by white people. >> only you could inject race into -- >> you said new black panthers. >> because that's the documented account we have that went to the just disdepartment. >> race has no history in accusations of voter fraud in the united states and denial of voting, none whatsoever. >> go ahead, gina. >> when -- thank you. when a democrat operative who has spent hundreds of nights in the white house with barack obama, who outlined literally the chain of command straight from hillary clinton's mouth to his action, when he commits there will be wide spret voter fraud -- >> he didn't do that. >> someone explain to me why -- yes, he did. those are his words. why would republicans and democrats not want to be vigilant to make s

what have you found about whether or not voter fraud exists? >> voter fraud is rare.ot what you've heard from donald trump this week or even a few months ago when he said a similar claim. but unlike what he said, voter fraud is compeexceedingly rare there are multiple studies backing up that fact. we rated what he said pants on fire, which is our worst rating for statements made by politicians. >> and that's because what you found is there's only isolated incidents and that it's so rare that it was pants on fire? why did you go to that extreme? >> well, he said it's happening on a large scale on and before election day. and there's just no evidence to back that up. when we contacted the campaign, they sent us a few reports about sloppy bookkeeping on the part of local election supervisors who have had people on the ballot rolls who have died. but it's not happening in person at the polls to the extent that he says. >> okay. chris, you are a republican. you're a campaign lawyer. you were so incensed by these words of donald trump's that you sort of launched out this tw

will there be voter fraud? >> i don't think so. >> the chances of it happening are like so small -- >> i think it is. though voter fraud is almost nonexistent. >> will voter fraud affect the election? >> no. there's no objective etched that voter fraud is rampant, even a thing. when you talk about the votes that are counted across the country you may have one or two voter fraud cases that are proven that pop up. any allegation of fraud on election day. >> nevada utilizes the most reliable secure voting system found anywhere in the world. >> reporter: those voting systems will be on display on saturday as you mentioned. early voting begins here in clark county. will it be a talking point in the debate is something to keep an eye on. joan treanor for news3. guys. tonight to register on line, otherwise, after that it is too late. just a few hours ago, you will not be able to register by mail. we have more information for registration requirements at news3lv.com. >> tomorrow's debate is one of the hottest topics on

when all else fails, claim voter fraud. and then when you claim it, don't forget to blame it on black people and people of color, especially undocumented immigrants. that's really been -- that's been the playbook for a long time. so trump finally got around to it and dusted it off. and unfortunately the courts have gone against him. i mean we have court after court saying if any rigging is happening, it's republican legislatures who pass laws to make it harder for people to vote, not for fraud, but in fact because they wanted to discriminate against african-american and other voters of color. >> and we've got our crazy smoking gun evidence of this. north carolina, of course, basically as soon as the key part of the voting rights act got struck down, the legislature says, what kind of voting tools do people use? and the ones that were predominantly african-american were like, yeah, let's restrict those. >> in north carolina, for example, where trump falsely claimed illegal immigrants were voting, north carolina didn't just p

gao looked at it, said no voter fraud. brennan center for justice says no systemic voter fraud. secretary of state of ohio, he is voting for trump, he says there is no voter fraud. john kasich says no voter fraud, marco rubio. so the issue is there, you know, people who shouldn't be voting, we don't know how many there are, versus whether or not the whole system is rigged? i think many people would say the whole system is not rigged. what do you think? >> well, first of all, as you know, these elections are state by state. i don't know what they mean by no systemic. if it is happening in swing states of virginia, ohio, florida, north carolina, wisconsin, colorado, nevada, if it is happening in any one of those states, doesn't have to be systemic. it could be enough to swing the election. look, in situations like this i would usually call on the united states department of justice to step in and conduct an investigation. it is not enough to just fire some people. this is corrupt. this is criminal. so what i would demand, i can't call on the department of justice because they're c

, proven voter fraud have you seen?e have literally gone to try and look for it because there's been so much discussion about it. there are long academic references to it. there are been a lot of studies referring to that entire body. there was one study i can remember in particular that looked over a billion votes 2014ed between 2010 and and in there, there were 14 possible accounts of alleged voter fraud. that someone commented jokingly that you're more likely to be struck by lightning than to experience voter fraud. it just doesn't happen. host: denise merrill's secretary of state of connecticut, president of the national association of secretaries of state. guest: thank you very much. >> on the issue of so-called rigged elections or voter fraud, halley jackson posting the words of kelly and colin -- conway. no i do not believe that there will be widespread voter fraud and election day she tells msnbc. we are keeping our eye on throughout the day the debate hall at the university of nevada, las vegas. debate time is

we'll also investigate evidence of voter fraud. trump's claiming about walling off mexico. >> hillary clinton wanted the wall. >> he's right about that. we'll show you how the plan to build a wall ten years ago fell apart. plus john wilson weighs in with his view. this is money, power & politics. >>>for much of last night, donald trump turned into his strongest debate performance. he had hillary clinton on the ropes for a while when he tried to explain what shh e meant for open trade and borders. the debate turned against trump when he would not commit to supporting the result of the election. >> i will tell you at the time. i'll keep you in suspense. questioned what happened in 2000. new york times headline, bush e declared winner in florida but gore vows to contest results. and another democrats questioned the red lights in ohio in 2004. wait a minute, it's okay for gore but not okay for trump we'll have to wait and see? the problem for trump here is that he did not phrase it that way. it may work for him if he prefaced his remar

and then they say, oh there's no voter fraud in our country. there's no fraud. no, no, no, there's no voter fraud. look at st. louis, look at philadelphia, look at chicago, and then i have even the republicans saying, oh, this is a wonderful -- look, look, if nothing else, people are going to be watching on november 8th. watch philadelphia. watch st. louis. watch chicago. watch chicago. watch so many other places. but then, do you ever notice they say there's no voter fraud. now, there's a voter fraud also with the media. because they so poison the minds of people by writing false stories. they are the -- i believe actually they are more crooked than crooked hillary. i really do. that's a lot. >> so steve, when he names specific cities -- >> yeah. >> it sure seems like an overt message for people to show up at polling places. what's going to happen? >> well, let me translate that. what he's saying to his all white audience there is that black people in america's inner cities are going to steal the election from all of you good people. from me, donald trump. and

one billion, there were 31 cases of fraud. so patricia, i can lay out studies, i can lay out facts, but i can't make people believe them and i wish that i could. >> well, nobody can make people believe something they don't want to believe. if you believe donald trump should win, will win, makes the most sense and loses anyway, it's very easy especially if that candidate is telling you that the election was stolen from them. it is important, though, i think democrats make a mistake of they dismiss out of hand the elections are fine, the systems are fine, nobody worry. i think it's very important for democrats, the president, the department of homeland security, to telegraph what has been done to ensure the election is fair, that the votes that are counted will be counted properly. what is being done to make sure that the election is not rigged. you certainly don't want to go too far in the other direction and plant any seeds of concern or suspicion. but i think it's very important for people to know as these doubts are being ra

i'm not asserting widespread voter fraud.franken for example in his state won by 312 votes. so we should always -- >> there are rules put into place when there's a close election that you can contest the election and then -- >> that's what al gore did. >> i'm sorry but this is -- >> salary, last word. >> this is dangerously irresponsible. everyone knows what donald trump is doing here. because look he undermines -- excuse me i did give you your turn. he undermined president obama's presidency in the first place, as did many republicans by suggesting he wasn't even american citizen. he wasn't shouldn't be president he questioned that long after the proof that he should have never had to provided was proven. and now, it's not enough for donald trump to just lose. he is losing. let's be clear. if he loses it is because of no one but himself. because of his complete lack of qualifications, and lack of temperament -- >> we all want an honest system. >> he can't accept that he's losing. so he's going to try and take down our entire

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>> voter fraud is a small problem in the u. s., the rate of voter fraud we encounter, the detection rates are pretty high so we know how much we are talking about, very small. we have some voter fraud but very little. >> that is what i found in my years of covering politics, the nature of americans, split up between different jurisdictions, it would be hard to email a nationwide -- amass a nationwide fraud on the elections.>> we have all of these different levels, and when we do encounter voter fraud, the analysis after the case happens shows whenever talk about the intentional masterminding of someone trying to vote 15 times, when we found the irregularities, it generally stems from the fact that our system has so many levels. >>> as a california voter when you go in they don't ask you for an id, and they can do a ballot, raising questions that illegals and undocumented can come in and vote.>> this comes in a lot by the politicians at election time, but not deemed serious for concerns. >>> and next is the voter rights, and dem

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voter fraud over the years.adelphia, for example, had machine until the 1950's and they still votes with abandon. they took the republican methods and perfected them, so this is not a partisan issue. to agree think we need is there should be much access as possible and the same time, to nothave the right have the book canceled out by someone who is a noncitizen, in prison, out-of-state or dead. we are talking about different things again. guest: vote buying may be an voterand it is impersonation. if there is an inside job, it is different. many of those situations do attract attention and scrutiny. host: john made a good point about the voting rights act, what sort of impact might the supreme court decision have that ended pieces of the voting rights act? is an indication that it will impact turnout at the polls? guest: this is the first election without full protection and the voting rights act, and we have states like virginia, north carolina and florida that were covered by plans that were no longer covered,

that led to a fraud investigation resulting in seven convictions. today, president obama requested an expedited appeals process for soldiers. the white house says while not supporting blanket forgiveness, the soldiers will not fraud. in paris, the secretary of defense promised action. >> we are going to look into it and resolve it. >> reporter: even in this caustic campaign season, democrats and republicans united in calls to stop collection efforts. now robert is fighting again, appealing to keep his $20,000 bonus. >> i upheld my end of the bargain. >> reporter: having already paid with his service. anne thompson, nbc news, new york. >>> turning now to that large-scale u.s.-backed offensive, targeting isis in iraq. on the march to mosul, iraqi troops freed what was the largest christian city in that country from isis control. joining that victory, christian militia men who fled the city two years ago. our richard engel inside iraq shows us the destruction they found when they returned. >> reporter: this wasteland is what's left of the town of cara

according to the michigan state university food fraud initiative, food fraud costs 30 to $40 billion every year worl and dining out? >> very few people realize that restaurant are sort of the wild west. they don't have to adhere to the same kind of labelling rules retailers have. >> food fraud has and does cause illnesses and has actually caused deaths in consumers. >> karen is a scientist at ufp. the group sets standards for medicines in foods. on her watch list, processed foods. >> resourcing ingredients from all over the world and putting them together into a finished food product. this increases the opportunity for fraud. >> like frozen pizza that can have dozens of ingredients. usp created a database for companies loo to prevent fraud. >> you can quickly identify which ingredi are prone to fraud, what what about used and which of those might be hazardous. if you look at somete paprika that' been adult rated with 19 different substances. if you're -- a manufacturer and you're being duped by one of your suppliers and that comes to light, certainly there's brand the fda and u.s. da

they think donald trump would it not for fraud. and that's a broader loss of faith in institutions and some what exceptionally american institution that we see?h=5%9 out right now. >> dickerson: they think it's not just that fraud happens but the election will be stolen. you on election night look all over the whole country and you have for various cycles. what's your feeling about this idea of an election being?i stolen? >> well, think about how decentralized this whole election system is. what i see on election night is 3,000 counties, thousands of precincts. and they're all coming in from all across the country. they're counted locally. they're counted by your friends, by your neighbors, by your county officials. you can imagine something on that side and that scope, shenanigans here and there, well, anything is possible, but that is a big and uniquely american system. >> dickerson: you also in your polling went looking for trump voters who might not be in traditional polls for one reason or another. this is an argument the trum

so there was rampant fraud u.s. still except the results quick say say yes we should. >> we have to take a look at it? he just wants to make sure it is there. and has to be fair. that isn't too much. >> can you define for your father? you don't have people busting over or dead people voting you can clear rosters of people that should not be voting. i don't think that is a lot to ask. if this mathematically significant severity is reasonable but if it is in flagrant. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> to be sure we can be confident in the vote to fit this fair. >> so what you said was what about trump when he called hillary clinton a nasty woman quick. >> i think that was a rough and tumble of bait -- debate . look at the last seven and a half years of president obama in hillary clinton years sidling americans. i understand because the stakes are just that i. the donald trump went to great lengths. straight to the american people of contrast to hillary clinton's vision fo

an investigation of alleged voter registration fraud to 56 counties.fficials say plus addresses in this agreement or nation turned in by the group. the result for the secretary of state connie lawson could be that some voters will be disenfranchised. >> i'm worried about voter confidence in the system. i want every voter in the state of indiana to know that the vote they cast will be counted and it won't be canceled out by someone committing fraud. allegations after the scandal but took down the activist group that funded officers across the country with fake voter registrations turning with the 2008 presidential race. scores of workers were convicted or his sons serve jail time and shut down its voter registration efforts. the group suspected in indiana is actually run by the washington d.c.-based pastry at the georgia u.s.a. described as a check.org is having democratic liberal leanings. in a statement they blamed state officials saying in part to read this part of a partisan effort to bring the election by suppressing tens of thousands of african-am

what did you find in terms of voter fraud?ns for voter fraud we found only about 2,000 from the year 2000 to the year 2012. and only 10 of those actually involved voters trying to impersonate somebody else at the polls, which is what trump is -- is saying would be widespread. and then we decided in 2016 to go back again, to five key states where officials had been worried about voter fraud and we found only about 38 prosecutions for any kind of vote fraud during that period and no prosecutions for voter impersonation. >> okay. very interesting findings. so, 2,000 cases, mr. waldman, over the course of ten years, so 200 a year, in disparate states, that they were able to identify. that would not sway a national election. it probably wouldn't sway a local election. what has your -- what has the brennan center found about voter fraud? >> well, we and basically everybody who's looked at this, have found the same thing. that the cronkite school found. the supposed widespread voter fraud is not a reality. even these examples, mostly

of course, there is going to be some fraud.couldn't have 130 million, 140 million people do something perfectly. the other point, he has no support in his political party for his position. literally, every republican, officeholder, every republican official, everybody says, no, we can't do that. even republican commentators. we can over blow his ability to take a large swath of voters with him and not accept the legitimacy of this election. we have to look to see the way it is going to feel on november 10th after the election is over. i think it will be quite a bit different than tonight. >> james carville, joining us from louisiana tonight. james, good to have you with us. >> absolutely. thank you. >> to james' point, there is something that chris matthews got to tonight with rudy giuliani and kellyanne conway, trump isn't making the case that there is going to be widespread voter fraud and that's why trump might not concede the election if and when he loses. he goes from saying he won't concede to complaining about the media,

then you do ear about fraud at the ballot box. you say, you know what, i'm going to reserve all options. that's what he is saying. >> reserving options different than saying. >> than saying it is going to be stolen. >> difference. where he is at. >> would you advise him as republican party chair, make the distinction clear, otherwise you incite followers to think this election is being stolen from them, that's dangerous. >> he did. do that. he did do that. >> he is still talking about the election being stolen. >> i don't mean his response to the debate. in general when he says the election is rigged. >> i think he is also trying to tell his folks to, watch out for this fraud that might occur. but look, it's not, i'm telling you, we know this is not millions of people. but what we are talking about are things like, if you look at the milwaukee police report that came out about six years ago. milwaukee police department put out a 70 page report on elect, fraud in milwaukee. this wasn't the republican party. what i am telling you th

that's not fraud, that's just the opportunity for fraud.ur million dead voters on the voter rolls. the governor of texas greg abbott is investigating the state's largest cases of voter fraud ever. cases of political operatives filling out and returning other people's ballots without their consent. and where is the obama justice department in all of this. instead of working to uphold the integrity of our electoral system it's fighting to stop texas and 0 other states that won voter i.d. laws. the problem of voter fraud is so pervasive. 14% of non-citizens are registered to vote in this country. 14% of 24 million. more than 3 million voters and that approaches obama's margin of victory in the popular vote of 2012. that's how important voter registration and voter integrity is. among that group, illegal immigrants on the voting rolls and the obama administration is pushing hard, a drive to register immigrants to vote. there is no evidence that this administration would make diskret investigations into the allegations. john podesta says all the

as far as voter fraud. i was on the 2008 mccain campaign where me combatted voter fraud. they're not here in nevada. there is voter fraud in pennsylvania, colorado, north carolina, all over this country. all we're saying is the campaign -- is that we want to make sure that there is integrity in our elections and there is no reason for anybody, any american, not to want the integrity. >> i want to chime in quickly on the numbers question that boris raised. i so want to just look at him and say -- i think it's important to know that there is another number relative to media that we continue to forget. i am sure it's much higher than it was in the summer. that's the $2.1 billion number, jake. that relates to the amount of coverage that trump got in earned media. that is normally -- that's unprecedented. hillary clinton certainly didn't have that benefit. >> a lot of it was negative, right? >> i don't think it's negative. they have you on the screen. >> that's very nice. >> the other point i want to raise is on voter fraud there is a type of voter fraud that goes on. it's the

are there cases of voter fraud?bsolutely, it's rare, most of the times we catch them before their vote is even counted. >> i'm joined by the president of voter speech, thank you for joining us. >> great to be with you. >> so ben, we have been citing these sources throughout the day, the brennan center, loyola, which essentially found that voter fraud is very rare. are we right? is there proof of widespread voter fraud? >> not in person, voter fraud, no, and what john said is absolutely right. look, republican election officials control 30 different states in the election mechanisms within that, in the voting. and so it's -- republicans want this to be a fair election, where every eligible voter gets to have his or her vote counted. >> and michael, there is a concern that this type of rhetoric is essentially playing with fire. voters on both sides are at a boiling point because there is so many emotions and passions to go along with this election. are you concerned when you hear trump talk about a rigged election it

listen, i do not believe that there will be computer fraud or cyber security fraud in the election.ns are actually conducted at the county level. there are thousands of counties in this country who each run the election, count the votes, and report the votes in at the state level. it is theoretically possible that somebody could use the computer to steal the election, but it has never happened before and we have tremendous security on these computer systems these days. i am optimistic we will have a fair election even if it is not perfect. host: i wonder if you might agree in today's "wall street journal. " " instead of scattershot claims of the races manipulated, while conspiracy theorist about ballot box stuffing strongly refute." we might be focusing instead raise a light on the argument that nobody can confidently refute. that is the argument that hillary clinton is her party's nominee and on her way to the white house only because the obama administration decided to waive the law on handling classified materials and the fbi ensureong in order to that its designated heiress woul

voter fraud is real. and pockets around this country. voter fraud disenfranchises every american. republican, democrat, indicated >> the antidote though is you. here in north carolina just like in the state of indiana it is the states that administer our elections. and so i want you to become involved. become involved on election day is a coworker. a poll watcher. >> after all that talk of rigged elections nevada's election officials are trying to reassure us that our election is going to be secure. >> secretary of s, out to ensure that nevada's votes will be safe. they say the values of the most reliable and secure reporting system of the world and to all the potential hackers out there, the fbi's special agent in charge of this is forget about it.>> hacking into nevada's voting system is present impossible. contrary to popular belief, the methods maused here, they're no these machines are maintained in a highly secure facility with alarm systems and security protocol similar to what is used in the fbi building to safeguard top-secret materials. >> will the secretary of state's o

in terms of voter fraud there's -- >> prove it. there's no voter fraud. >> that are illegal. an fbi investigation right now of 20 people who registered for this election that are dead. so there is items of voter fraud that are going on. but there is voter fraud that's happening. >> wait, wait, no one is saying that there is no voter fraud, where it exists, address it. that's very different than saying that the election is rigged or that there's unknown voter fraud. you just actually moved a wonder point. the system works. the system works and it's being addressed. i applaud you. you proved the point that alan and i are trying to make. you have a specific situation and you see a and make sure that local authorities are addressing it. >> what about in pennsylvania, lynn, where the secretary of state in pennsylvania mailed 2.5 postcards to -- to people who had driver's license urging them to register to vote but the secretary of state did not check whether these people who had the driver's license were illegal or legal residents and were applicable or eligible votes. this is out

we hadn't had voter fraud. it happens in the extreme margins, and probably as much on one side as the other. so the notion that it affects the election results, particularly in a presidential race, is just absurd. so, yeah, i think we all need to be more responsible in the language we use with regard to elections. >> last night there was something else. i believe you're in foreign relations, if i'm not mistaken. do you accept the idea that it's russia that's, the hacks of the dnc and the hack of podesto? do you accept this? >> yes, i do accept it. and i think it's disturbing. >> what do you think trump does by not fully accepting the television briefings he himself are getting. >> to dismiss that and put your own judgment before that of the intelligence community. i don't think that he does the institutions. >> do you think we've not responded too political domestically? do you think we made a mistake here, the obama administration, they've been too cautious in responding to russia. >> i think. it is concerning

we act like vote are fraud doesn't exist.washington post," i think we can hardly agrall agree, 14% noncitizens are registered to vote, noncitizens, and they could determined the 60th vote that brought the lovely obamacare. this is from some fringe media site, that exists and for donald trump to look out for it there's nothing wrong with that. >> let's take it as a given if you want to that media is biased against republicans. mitt romney didn't contest his election defeat. because he's weak -- >> he didn't contest the media because he's weak. >> because he respects our democratic process, so he didn't try to to delegitimize the election. george h.w bush know about sacrifice and respecting the democratic process. this is what donald trump doesn't understand, even if the media is against donald trump, you said they're against all other republicans. why did these other decent honorable republicans not do what donald trump did last night? >> they are against him. look at the -- >> look at the establishment. >> they said it's desp