harold: frederick douglas helps. valerie: yeah. these are much a part of our second project, a recruitment broadside written by frederick douglass. can we see the image, please? what was the significance of this broadside? and where did it first appear? harold: so, douglass had a monthly newspaper, which is always a little behind the times. in hisdmonishing lincoln september issue, september of a 62, even as lincoln issues that primary emancipation bill. it is hard to have a monthly paper. and as a weekly paper it is hard to be au courant. really tough. so he wrote an editorial around the same time as the petition appeared, time for african-american troops to be recruited into the union army. when the proclamation comes out, and congress does the authorizing for black enlistment , douglass is encouraged by abolitionist leaders to hit the road, and orate as only he could, persuasively, magnificently, to get african americans to enlist. so he turned his editorial into a broadside, a one page sheet. most of them were pasted to walls,

question.other valerie: back to frederick douglas and lincoln. regard?oln have high harold: i think he came to. he had read douglass. people visited niagara falls, tourists, would often take an excursion to rochester, to see frederick douglass. because the were white people who did not believe that there was an african-american who ran a newspaper. who wrote editorials. he was kind of a tourist attraction himself. to prove that he was actually a functioning intellect. lincoln had heard of him, sure. when he made his way to the white house for the first visit, frederick douglas comes into the office. note -- andsays, i lincoln says, i know who you are. douglass writes a wonderful story about how lincoln unfolded himself a mate low chair and towered over him. but never treated him in any way that suggested there was a difference of color. alwaysderick douglass said it was because they had both risen up from poverty and obscurity, and lincoln felt common bonds with douglass. one thing lincoln did, a part of the story we did not tell, is he entrusted douglas

frederick douglass had this to describe america, every man has his chance. if he cannot be president, he can at least be prosperous. in this respect, america is not only the exception to the general rule, but to the social wonder of the world. unfortunately, some on the left are encouraged by the silence of democratic leaders including the

for about 12 minutes, fredericks is pinned to the ground.t least four more men came over and appeared to hold down fredericks' arms and legs, and sit on his chest and abdomen. toward the end of the video, you can see fredericks go limp. he went into cardiac arrest and died after two days in the hospital. the coroner ruled his death a homicide bias fixia. >> he was murdered in broad daylight. >> reporter: jeffrey feiger reports cornelius fredericks' estate. >> when you see five, six, seven grown men sitting on the chest of a motionless child until he's dead, what would you call it? >> reporter: staffers michael moseley, zachary solis, and nursing director heather mclogan were all fired from lakeside academy and charged with involuntary manslaughter and second-degree child abuse. >> it is not a complete video of everything that occurred. >> reporter: attorney tase markou reports heather mclogan who was also charged for not providing timely aid. he says anyone could have given fredericks cpr that day. >> when you look at all the evidence, and i

frederick douglass gave this speech onjuly frederick douglass gave this speech on july five, 1852, frederick1852, and one of the statements he made was what to the american slave is your fourth ofjuly? i answer, a day that reveals more than all of the other days in the year. the world's injustices and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. to him, your celebration is a sham. you are boasting liberty on an unholy license. swelling vanity. your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless, your annunciation is of tyra nts, heartless, your annunciation is of tyrants, grass impudence, hollow mockery, your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade and salinity, and to him, we are bombast, fried, deception impropriety and hypocrisy. there is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than other people of these united states at this very hour. thank you so much for reading data. you can feel the power as you read them there. and is not surprising so many people have been sharing doubt on social media today. what do those words

here is what frederick douglas did. he went to lincoln hall and downtown washington, d.c., and delivered a very powerful speech in reaction to the supreme court case. we're going to learn from historian ed medford. how he wrote that speech and what the reaction was. >> once douglas heard about the 1883 supreme court decision, he appeared at lincoln hall in washington, and made a speech. >> >> and it's a perfect study in he will quantity indignation. it's one of the most powerful speeches he ever wrote. lincoln hall was packed with people. estimates are that there were 2,000 people or more inside of the building, and that there were twice as many people outside. and so it gives some sense of how upset african-americans especially were. but there were white americans in the audience, as well. what comes through is not just the indignation, but the sadness that the country has gone down this path. he also talked about the fact that african-americans were americans. they were american citizens. and that when you take away t

a statue depicting frederick douglas is ripped from hits pedestal in upstate new york.ochester police say it was taken from a park along the underground railroad where douglas and harriet tubman helped take slaves to freedom. it was found 50 feet away near a river. this comes on the anniversary of douglas' speech delivered to the city, called what to the slave is the 4th of july. that monument now getting repaired. carley: moving on to sports, kevin harvick climbing the charts with a big win in indianapolis. >> kevin harvick is going to get the checkered flag. he wins again at the brick yard. carley: he won the brick yard 400 for the second straight year, he is second on playoff charts and one win behind lee petty for the 11th on nascar's career list. todd: congrats, carley, i know you have harvick in your nascar fantasy racing league. congrats to you. denny hamlin didn't finish the race after one of his tires exploded. he was okay. meanwhile, check this out, ryan blaney's crew member sent to the hospital after six cars collided at a pit stop. that's scary. he was later

we have a comment from frederick a soda he's the chief of mission for the international organization for migration i.o.m. in leave in libya he said the actual chief of mission there he says responding to a question and the stream talk to him earlier this week he said it's well documented as being a very bad detentions arbitrary and definite so there really is not a legal process for people to get out of detention or the finite amount of time that they stay there so nothing has changed it's been bad situation for a number of years now and we've been advocating for the end of these facilities and for improvement but there's been limited progress and yet is there not an enormous contract with e.u. the e.u. to send refugees back to libya look how can that be the case if you did you find out anything about that on your trip across. yes sir i mean it's been there was an a.p. investigation as well recently and it's been well documented in reports and stuff that the has been financing. the libyans will they call it coastguards but it's made up of a lot of other groups they have been funding

migration and human rights and i happen to be on the ocean like nuff you know which frederick's s.o.s. med they operate now if ross wrote an incredible article we're going to talk more about your later in the show but i'll show you right now just waited it out is this black life matter even the one stranded in the mediterranean that's actually the idea that sparked this show today so for us thank you for that frederick i'm going to begin with you numbers are actually down right now compared to previous years i think 2016 was the high is what's happening out there in the waters is that a good thing why are the numbers down. it's always a good thing that people are not risking their lives in such conditions in the life the in the mediterranean sea. the question is. nevertheless the situation continues over a number and weeks in people continuing cross in europe especially this year in 2000 when we had massive departure over the last months when there was no rescue ship available no rest you can see and the consequence of that there is there are more people gunning more people disappeari

this is frederick douglas is only work of fiction. frederick douglas was of course himself a former slave who is a leading abolitionist voice in the middle decades of the 19th century. one of the most famous black intellectuals of that period. in his novella the heroic slave, he describes madison washington as eight freedom loving virginian akin to other freedom loving virginians like george washington, patrick heady, thomas jefferson and other founding fathers. while madison washington's story of revolt is a success story, unfortunately many attempts at slave revolts and escape were not successful. that's simply because the entire system at the local, state and national level was set up to preserve the institution of slavery. enslaved people and their allies were trying to resist or fighting against insurmountable odds in many cases. we see that in the example of danger field newbie. danger field newbie was one of the small group of men who joined the radical abolitionist john brown for his raid on the federal arsenal at harpers ferr

i mean, frederick douglass gave this speech on july fifth, actually, 1852, and one of the statementsswer; a day that reveals to him more than all other days in the year. the gross injustices and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. to him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciations of tyrants, brass—fronted impudence, your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanks—givings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are to him, mere bombast, fraud, deception impiety and hypocrisy — a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. there is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are people of these united states, at this very hour." thank you so much for reading that. you can feel the power as you read them there. and it's not surprising so many people have been sharing that on social media today. what do those words mean to you?

frederick: a couple of things.nk because we were doing a refinancing, people had a chance to see us perform over time in terms -- i think also, our recent results including our ability to raise philanthropic funds as well as our operational performance as we have launched a strategic plan. from a grand awareness point of view, we have set the bar making sure [indiscernible] the fact that we send more african-americans to medical school as an example is just one of the calling cards i think people see. i am happy. we certainly think the other fundamentals of what people want to see in the market in terms of good management, seeing a way forward and what we are doing strategically, i think are all fundamental things that are necessary in spite of anything else people maybe looking at. caroline: i am interested in how the finances are going in terms of howard university and that -- and at this moment where we have heard you talk about a generous grant from bank of america to help and free covid testing. how has this s

so i would say time to take it from that square even though frederick douglas dedicated. time to replace it with another lincoln monument there because it is sacred ground. and a time to put it in the museum and tell the very complicated story of the sculpture that was commissioned by african americans but designed by white sculpture, introduced by the great african american leader of the 19th century but seems to have outlived its message. host: harold holzer joining us, professor at public policy institute. first call for you sir is from cleveland, ohio. i ler: i was calling because o believe -- it keeps the pain in our hearts. wonder why is it that we're always, because i feel that 1812 e of the genesis where god told abraham they would be taken to a foreign land to serve them and they will be mistreat bid these people. and to this day they are mistreated by the people. the solidarity forever song keeps it in your heart to be against us. we don't mean harm. we just want peace. and we get attacked by the police. and the statue just shows about we need a master to educat

frederick douglass had this to describe america, every man has his chance. if he cannot be president, he can at least be prosperous. in this respect, america is not only the exception to the general rule, but to the social wonder of the world. unfortunately, some on the left are encouraged by the silence of democratic leaders including the speaker of the house are trying to erase our story and want to erase our history. whether it is a monument of slaveln freeing a democrats no longer view the , richness of our country's history worthy. not only do they want to erase our past but radically change the way we live today. the mobs the democrats encourage to destroy property and threaten and sometimes even attack innocent citizens. i will be introducing legislation to withhold funding from states and cities whose leaders fail to uphold the law. the mobs that the democrats encouraged suppressed speech and because it is a distraction, but their agenda can skate by unnoticed and a supplement to the radical movements in the streets. but as we saw yesterday, republic

. >>> kelefa senneh remembers a fourth of july speech from frederick douglass 168 years ago. >>> plus -- thoughts from nancy

>> well, this is why we think it's so important to reach back to frederick douglass.glass said between the christianity of the slave holder and the christianity of christ he saw the widest possible difference. he was trying to teach all americans, black, white, any americans that the distortion of systemic racism has impacted all of us and it has diminished our humanity. i mean you look at that story y'all had on just before about those officers out in aurora. to immate thitate that sort of f people and laugh at it is a dehumanization that hurts the soul. this has hurt all of us. it's hurt us in terms of policy and hurt us in terms of our deepest soul in our humanity. what we are trying to do is lift up a vision that can restore the humanity, restore the soul of people in this country. >> reverend dr. william barber and pastor jonathan, i'm sorry, bishop barber, i'll let you have the last word here. >> well, one of the things we have to do is show people that this is hurting us all. you notice i said 140 million poor and low wealth people, not just black people, but p

douglass. >> bill: they ripped frederick douglass off the base and does it make you wonder if they knows that tell you? >> once upon a time we did teach history and the ideological agendas probably in the day. but you think about, you tore down the statue of a man who was once a who became one of the great political influencers and figures and advisor to the president abraham lincoln. the reason why we had the emancipation proclamation, or the 54th massachusetts regiment, that tells me that we have a generation, this cancel culture generation which is ignorant of our own history and they are going out and pursuing a goal and objective that they don't really understand. >> bill: frederick douglass, if i could explain that one. he mentioned foxnews.com, and here's what you write. july 4th is special for me. make your case. >> my case is very simple. my ideological mentor is a man by the name of booker t. washington. both of these men you grew up in hard times in the united states of america. but look what they were able to accomplish? i would challenge each and every person who is listeni

frederick or an elementary school?well, i can tell you right now that schools across this country do not have the resources to open this fall with the personnel, the protection, et cetera, that they need. we have surely sent money to the school districts from the federal government, but it's far, far too little, it's inadequate, and it's not arriving in time and so i think that we're going to have some real challenges there are legitimate concerns in any community right now where you have a hot spot. how can you even begin to think about physically opening schools? distance learning, surely, could be something you can consider. still, we have concerns about the protection of teachers we have to understand that that is in itself still a really hot issue. we do know that students transmit more than we once thought that they did, so we have to address that at the same time, we know that we have to educate our kids. this is critical and particularly the younger age group, k-8 distance learning just does not work i think we

frederick or an elementary school?ll, i can tell you right now that schools across this country do not have the resources to open this fall with the personnel that they need. we have sent money to the school districts from the federal government and it's far, far too little, it's inadequate and not arriving in time and so i think that we're going to have some real challenges. there are legitimate concerns in any community right now where you have a hot spot. how can you even begin to think about physically opening schools? distance learning, surely, could be something you can consider. we have the concern about the protection of teachers and we have to understand that that is in itself still a very hot issue. we do know that students transmit more than they once thought that they did and so we str to address that. at the same time, we know that we have to educate our kids. this is critical and particularly the younger age group k through 8 distance learning just does not work. >> i think we have to, first of all, drive

frederick city hall over the weekend was vandalized with red paint being put on it. what are your thoughts about this long legacy and how he is viewed in american society? >> this is part of, this really takes us back to dred scott. it is not only in the 21st century that his memory is controversial. charles sumner, after his death, in 1864 commits himself to defeating any attempt to appropriate funds that would provides for the bust of tani to be placed in the u.s. supreme court. some near fights time and again in congress. today, these questions are of course cloaked in 21st century terms, i movement called black lives matter. controversy over the flying of the confederate flake, and roger b. taney image and likeness is once again said by some to symbolize or glorify a past that should not be honored in this public way. the state house in maryland we have dueling monuments if you will. in 1996 we get thurgood marshall. and now the two of maryland's great supreme court justices, they are side by side, but clearly somebody over the weekend we had a different idea. an

frederick douglas wrote these words on the fourth of july, 1852 just 76 years after u.s.. slavery was still going strong. the civil war hadn't started and america wouldn't end slavery for another 21 years legally and 23 years in practice. today, 152 years since the end of slavery, douglas' words about the rich enhater answinheritanc words are still -- we are in unprecedented times of social upheaval where our longest standing institutions face a moment of reckoning. some see that in the names of symbols and statues as a threat to american tradition and life. i think it's a way to make america nor inclusive. to renew the promises of americans in nao one that all americans can celebrate equally. i shared with you the words none of us are free from in one of us are chained. that continues to come back to me. slavery continued in america almost 90 years after independence and for more than that amount of time after the civil war, america nurtures policies that did not live up to the creed that all men are created equal or that they are born with unalienable rights. for many a

frederick, tracy, thank you very much for being with me. in terms of the state of play in your state, where is the union's head in terms of your concerns about going back to school? >> so, chris, thank you for having me, and i appreciate being on your show. but let me tell you what we have here in the state of florida. we have 7,347 new cases today. we have 63 deaths, covid-related deaths, and we also have 50,000-plus over the last seven days. we're not going forward. we're going backwards, and we have a governor who has tethered himself to the president of the united states. who is uniquely defined by his secretary of education, betsey devos. we've been given no guidance, no regulations that makes sense to reopen our schools, and in the middle of a pandemic we're being told we have to reopen schools come hell or high-water, brick and mortar being one of those options. and so what we want from our governor is to lead. we don't want him to follow this president nor betsy devos because there is zero credibility there. >> tracy, the good news

amy: that was james earl jones, reading the words of frederick douglass. we turn now w to look atat the uprising against police brutalality and racism, following the police killing of george floyd in minneapolis on may 25. the protests have helped dramatically shift public opinion on policing and systemic racism, as "defund the police" becomes a rallying cry of the movement. well, for more on this historic moment, we turn to the legendarary activistst and scscholar angela davis, professor emerita at the university of california, santa cruz. for half a century, angela davis has been one of the most influential activists and intellectuals in the united states and an icon of the black liberation movement. i interviewed her in early june and asked her if she thought this moment was a turning point. angela: this is an extraordinary moment. i have never experienced anything like the conditions we are currently experiencing, the conjununcture createdd by the covid-19 pandndemic and the recogngnition of the systemic racism that has been rendered visisibe under the

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frederick douglass everything you want this country to become. you don't destroy what he was and the symbol of his greatness where he lived in rochester, new york. ainsley, it made absolutely no sense. ainsley: i think a lot of people agree with you, brian. they done don't want to say they are supporting president trump. if you look at the poll numbers president trump is not doing ass well as biden is dozens of polls. hundreds of polls. i heard the number over the weekend a lot of polls and the president didn't do well. wasn't winning in most of those in 2016 there are a lot of people who feel the same way you do brian. they are scared to talk about it because they are worried they will be called racist even though they don't agree with slavery but do agree with having those statues up. tammy duckworth over the weekend one of the people on the vice president's short list. and she was asked whether or not the vice president should select an african-american woman to join him on the ticket. and she kind of side stepped that she said that basically

wayne frederick. good to see you dr. frederick. so what's your feeling on, you know, universal or mandating masks everywhere? and how will you ensure that students are going to be safe on campus when they start arriving next month? >> yeah, i think it's important that everyone wears masks. the current scientific evidence and the public health information suggests that wearing masks would prevent the spread of the coronavirus. so i think it's extremely important that we do that. we're taking all safety precautions on campus by ensuring that our cleaning and disinfecting of the campus is at the level that is required to prevent the virus from spreading. but we also, i think everyone who has to come back to campus and have any type of engagement in interaction, to also be personally accountable. not just times they're on campus but when they leave the campus for other types of interactions. it's going to be very important we all do our part. >> this is the really tough day. it's been a very tough 2020, hasn't it, with coronavirus and

again sued frederick pena is from s.o.s. meditate on a thank you. a city in protest against a growing insecurity in sudan's central darfur state has now into its 7th day the demonstrators want the head of police and the military to be fired for failing to protect them and their properties most recently 3 farmers near the town were killed by unidentified armed men the prime minister says he will send a delegation to the region to discuss the problem. they have been protests in the philippines against the controversial antiterrorism law signed by the president on friday around 200 activists in manila denounced the legislation as a threat to civil liberties to give security forces sweeping powers and allows for people to remain in detention without any charge rights group said below could be used to stamp out legitimate dissent. now the european union says iran has triggered a dispute mechanism as part of the 2015 nuclear deal to iran's accusing european powers of failing to live up to their side of the agreement foreign minist

douglass and then frederick douglass had said whether it was the war in vietnam or gay rights said heecame one of the few national leaders to endorse gay rights and marriage equality. >> host: [inaudible] >> guest: yes. with the head of the human rights campaign his husband had died. he was dying when they got married. so by the time the case was argued, but yes. we were there. >> host: one of the things i always liked [inaudible] to restrict civil rights but he was willing to share that movement. are you all still there? okay. my screen went blank. >> you are good. he was always willing to share the movement and some people it seems to me a. to expand the two economic issues he did the same thing. >> guest: and he was a big supporter of gay rights. we know what doctor king would have said that we know what she said. >> host: the first time i was working on this in the early movement i talked about this and it was interesting because i realized there wasn't a religious bone in his body which was unusual for a black man of the south to come out of this event not to be religious at all.

we are talking about frederick douglas coming down, dana, frederick douglas coming down. >> dana: i wasng to call you this weekend because for some reason, my cable station here doesn't allow disney plus. i couldn't even order it and i really wanted to watch hamilton. i know that you have disney pl plus, we've talked about it. i was thinking of saying to peter, can you imagine if some of these protesters, the vandals getting so exciting, getting there popcorn ready to watch hamilton and then looking at each other and saying oh, man, we took that guy's statue down? that's really not what we were intending to do. as i have said, there's no historians in a mob. i think when it comes to the nascar front, deciding to take away, to retire the confederate flag symbol, as a conservative i would say it's a private entity and they want to do what they want to do. that's up to them. but when you look at mississippi. people are making decisions but they are having smart discussions, debate, deliberation, and then doing quite an american thing, with voting. that's how we solve disputes in the countr

the frederick douglass statue vandalized in upstate new york park. statue has been toppled and destroyed in upstate new york on the 116th anniversary of his most famous anti-slavery speech. good morning. tennessee is a small rural area. our largest retail facility is walmart. you can go to walmart. you can have the mask on and gloves. 90% of the people and walmart are not required to wear a mask. the mask does help detect each other. my question goes to walmart. why do you not require masks on your customers? host: >> coming up on c-span, a discussion with the former ambassador to russia on russia under president vladimir putin. live coverage starts at 1:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. later today, the house appropriations committee will hold a markup of their portion of the fiscal year 2021 appropriations bill. watch live at 4:00 p.m. eastern on c-span, online at c-span.org, or listen live with the free c-span radio app. next with us -- robert egge is with us next. good morning. thank you for being here on "washington journal." guest: great to be here. h

they are in complete dismay, to see statues of frederick douglass torn down.o conversations about tearing statues of george washington down. so what is going to happen when joe biden eventually faces the public and goes up against president trump on the debate stage, he is going to have to win over the independents while also notes interest sizing what has become a very radical, even marxist base for the democrat party. that is going to be very challenging for him or any democrat for that matter. elizabeth: let's move on to this issue. joe biden is also facing growing questions about, quote, cognitive decline after sound bites like this. watch joe biden here. >> good afternoon, everyone. i'm joe biden. joe biden. elizabeth: so introduced himself as joe biden's husband. now watch joe biden's exchange with fox news reporter doug mckelway. watch this. >> you're a lying dog face. >> that you are subject to some degree of cognitive decline. i'm 65. i don't have, word recollection that i used to have. i forget my train of thought from time to time. you have 12 years

in the abolitionist legend, frederick douglass torn down.er, new york renew cambridge the saint joe biden what was with your fourth of july speech. and joe biden is trying to claim that the united states is racist to its corporate america is not resuspended is the most ridiculous thing critics are saying. but chance to rip the roots of systemic racism out of the u.s. that is what joe biden is running on cal state. guest: i agree with you and i think any moderate independence american but agrees with you. they are incomplete dismay to sing the statutes of frederick douglass being torn down. even listening to conversations about trying statutes of george washington down. what is going to happen when joe biden eventually faces the public and goes up against president trump on the debate stage. he is going to have to win over these independence . and not ostracizing what is become a very radical, even marxist debate for the democratic party. there will be challenging for him or any democrat for that matter. liz: let's hold onto this is you, joe

with high profile vandalism other acts for example with the abolitionist of frederick douglass and then to tear down the statue and decapitated. fighting during the civil war aand was a fierce opponent of slavery. and the antislavery free soil party. there memorial from george washington had graffiti with paint and also former president grant who was in the civil war fighting for the union army. marble and threat to representative democracy. were lucky to live it's even possible to petition our leaders through the process in the day will no longer have the right than america will cease to exist as we know it. the leader of the free world no nation history has done more to defend the principles for the country but our founding fathers understood that our nation was not perfect. from its conception, the preamble to the constitution states in order to form a more perfect union. the american experiment in representation democracy always is a work in progress. founding fathers were not perfect people. none of us are but despite their flaws we should continue to honor them for the feet say un

frederick douglass, in rochester, new york, ripped it from its base.akes you wonder if the folks reading books, maybe, liz, true nature of this movement is to destroy all american history, leave a vacuum if you will of confusion and anger in their wake? maybe that is what they're trying to do? >> well i do think they want to destroy american history because americans are proud of their history. they don't like that. they don't like us celebrating our country. but obviously frederick douglass is the most horrible target for this mob because he was obviously a very important abolitionist. more importantly, charles, maybe, he was willing to work with everybody. he was a really generous human being in terms of sitting down with slave owners, trying to solve real problems. maybe that is what they don't like about him. charles: i don't know. maybe it is something but makes you wonder who's next? liz, thank you very much. always appreciate your conversations. >> thanks, charles. charles: folks, back to the markets, because i got to tell you, we came out of th

>>the statue of frederick douglass in rochester, new york was vandalized and tore down from its base it happened on the anniversary of douglas a speech called what to the slaves is the 4th of july police are still looking for answers about why exactly it was collins has the details. >>leaders from the energized the legacy of frederick douglass or shot a monument they work so will have to be replaced this is all that is left at this particular >>a monument that we put so much time and energy and work and thought and karen to police say they found the statue placed over a fence near the gorge feet from the statue's original bass pieces of plaster could be seen left in a pile by the fence. >>the act of vandalism comes on the 100 68th anniversary of douglas a speech titled what to the slave is the 4th of july. >>what is what comes from this what good is this is this some kind of retaliation because the national fervor over confederate monuments right now. a very disappointing it's it's beyond before the statue was one of 13 place throughout the city in 2018 and this is the second monumen

also very much "in depth" to figures like frederick douglas and other abolitionists who were building a case for abolition. if he didn't embrace it he embraced it in a way that was quite a thing from what had come before. >> emancipation also seem to play domestically and internationally and the concept of deliverance you are talking about that lincoln had to keep an eye across the atlantic because cotton was part of that and the british empire was dependent on cotton from the south and there was trying to prevent the south from presenting itself as a nation seeking self-determined donations, then there is the international aspect of delivering the sentiment. 's >> the emphasis in deliverance rhetoric for someone like lincoln, a central premise of it was the diluted mass theory - this was a very widespread popular belief on the part of northerners the white southern masses had been seduced, duped, cajoled and limited pressures into supporting. and somehow with the union could break the spell secessionists cast over the southern masses they would welcome deliverance at the hands of the

when you see the older pictures, she's -- but when you see that picture, and frederick douglass, the most photographed person. and then back to john lewis and the images that america saw of the violence in the police. what do you -- could you talk about that role of seeing things? lonnie: i think that, in some ways, the great strength is the marriage of the written word, good scholarship, good books, and the visual, whether it's a photograph or artifact, because what that does is immediately makes it accessible to people. you see an image and it is transformative, and i think your notion, when we went into the harriet tubman image, that was -- to me, that was transformative. i had only seen images of her as this older woman kind of bent over, and it was hard to imagine harriet tubman, you know, moses leading people for freedom. but then, when you saw that picture, we discovered there's a look in her eye. there was a style. carla: there was style. lonnie: for me, imagery is really what helped history come alive to me. you know, i first got interested in history looking at old photogra

. >> frederick, points well taken. let me go over what the cdc has done, releasing guidelines to consider before reopening. eliminating cafeterias, have kids eat lunch in their classroom classrooms, mandating face coverings for students and teachers. separating desks for social distance. have they implemented enough guidance in your opinion? >> no, they've not provided enough guidance and also leave out funding, money. we need funding to do this. schools were built for social interaction. they were not built for social distancing. so we have to reengineer and reconfigure our schools and nobody is talking about the inorder nate amount of money it is going to cost to open these schools, do it right and keep our kids safe. we need to pass the heroes act first in the congress and stop this bickering between the parties and get the senate to move on this heroes act so we can put billions into our education system. >> money is at the root of all of this. let's get to the virtual learning. what, in your opinion, has been effe