and ok we have been listening to the leader of the free democrats making their christian lehner and i know the logical democrats have also been speaking they're holding a press conferences now as well now. ninety percent of voters who voted to have in favor of it as we need it out you have an obligation to make an attempt. to get through as much of the program that you were voted for. so we lost fourteen per cent during the general election. that was basically a fourteen percent who voted against the grand coalition and the four parties who held the expert tory talks that very clearly said that they live for a mandate to form a government and a mandate they received from the voters and they turned out not to be able to exercise this mandate and because of the red card. a voter's that we received. we have a very clear position it was a very clear rejection of the. correlations with the same time it was a mandate to the four parties to form a government there's about a turn out not to be able to and in such situations the voters the sovereign have to reset the situation mr brown and. mr

party and the free democrats the free democrats walked out of the talks because of opposing views on several key issues one stumbling block is the migrant issue in particular whether to limit the number of asylum seekers and whether to allow their family members to reunite with them peace are never has more on the unfolding crisis but the reason that those coalition talks broke down was because christie and lynn the head of the free democratic party pro business liberal party here in germany he walked out of those talks he did also give a statement on monday saying that as he does not it wasn't a decision he made lightly but as we can hear from him just after he walked out of those talks certain didn't seem like he was coming to an agreement with anybody in that room any time soon. we will not abandon our voters for a policy with which we are not convinced it is better not to govern than to govern badly well the green party for their side who are also part of this negotiation that was going on they said that at the time the free democrats walked out they were close to a deal that in

party and the free democrats the free democrats walked out of the talks because of opposing views on several key issues one stumbling block is the migrant issue in particular whether to limit the number of asylum seekers and whether to allow their family members to reunite with them. we're going to discuss this development with dr max art a professor of general and international business administration at the university of applied sciences worms and c.d.u. member i welcome to the program dr max now merkel has just said that she would prefer snap elections over forming a minority government can you explain what this means and in your opinion do you think it's a step back. in a well this is very surprising to me so far she. clung to power and i thought she would have thought another big oh she had a solution so this is a surprise but everybody was telling everybody. we have a demonstration and. we don't know what this is there's apparently a party. going by the people are demonstrating for. everybody it's just a f.t.p. but in the end the jamaica coalition agree you have to be the c.s.u

it's biting in all sympathy the greens to some getting used to the free democrats were resolute. but we believe that we were on the right path to securing an agreement. i'm going to michael their accused of being pale and passive in the negotiations not by everybody there were some conservatives who said she had played a very strong role as a behind the scenes moderator where does she stand now what is her future you know even the green party set that angle america had been a good moderator of these talks so it's only the liberals who are not pulled out of the room try to blame and i'm going to makkah but it's not what happened it's just a blame game of blaming the about well what will happen to i'm going to mecca i'm very optimistic because if there was a new elections because it's not yet sure but everyone counts on them i think very many germans will vote for and the american and she will gain votes from almost all parties for example many. people who voted for the social democrats will vote for macca next time because of the social democrats refuse to go into a big coalition

well the entire delegation of the free democrats the look business friendly party walked out of these talks. they face the press and read a statement by its part by the party leader christian. which in essence what he said is that it would be better not to be part of a government than to be part of the wrong kind of government they felt that their issues the things that were important to them were not covered well enough in the coalition talks or in the attempts to form a coalition that have been going on for the last four weeks or more and they did not see any prospect of their interests being in fact met in these discussions and so they walked out. and it seems that the talks have collapsed it's not clear there's not been any reaction from the other parties they are still withdrawn in the building behind me and are clearly trying to find a position on what they have to do you know how they have to react to this pull out by the three democrats at the moment the talks have collapsed so we're down a party and what is supposed to be the governing majority what will happen to medical now

in all sympathy the greens to some getting used to the free democrats resolute. but we believe that we were on the right path to securing an agreement. i think. there was disappointment over what some felt could've been and already some finger pointing. the co-head of the greens placed the blame for the failure squarely at the feet of the free democrats yvonne's duties we were open to an understanding up until the last second we were prepared to go the extra mile when it didn't seem possible to go any further but the other parties have to be prepared to do the same and this evening one wasn't. the collapse of the talks now puts merkel in a difficult position she could try to form a minority government if those attempts failed new elections may be the only way out of a deadlock. here discuss all this is our political correspondent christopher spring day to christopher when i woke up this morning i wasn't expecting to hear this it's a bit of a surprise coalition talks have collapse what does this mean for a chance like. well it's she's in a tough position it means

well let's listen to what the leader of the free democrats. had to say when he pulled his party out of those coalition. today no new movement no further movement was attained we took steps backward instead of making progress because agreed on compromises were once again thrown into doubt a few it became clear that the four parties involved could neither share a common vision for modernizing our country nor establish a foundation of trust. and. a common idea and mutual trust have to be the basis for a stable government. we do not know what germany will face in the coming years in the world. but if for partners are unable to come up with a joint plan even for what is probable even after so much time and such extensive talks then this is no viable foundation for responding to what we cannot yet expect . yet to come. and that was because their head of the free democrats explaining why he pulled his car party out of those exploratory talks for new forming a coalition government here in germany well for more we've got all of our limbed joining us no

the co-head of the greens placed the blame for the failure squarely at the feet of the free democrats yvonne's it is we were open to an understanding up until the last second we were prepared to go the extra mile when it didn't seem possible to go any further but the other parties have to be prepared to do the same and this evening one wasn't. the collapse of the talks now puts merkel in a difficult position she could try to form a minority government if those attempts phiona new elections may be the only way out of a deadlock. our political correspondent christopher spring it has been following all the latest developments for us hi christopher so we saw that chancellor merkel met with the german president today she has now left that meeting what do we know about what was discussed there well nothing has emerged yet nobody made any statements. what we heard previously was that the chancellor merkel would be informing president john my about the state of negotiations possibly also informing him about why they broke down why she thinks they broke down we understand that the german presi

the leader of the liberal free democrats said his party was pulling out because it had not been possiblescue equipment have arrived in argentina to help hunt for a missing argentine submarine. the sanjuan disappeared four days ago in the south atlantic, with 44 crew on board. now on bbc news, it is time for a look back at the week in parliament.

of using populist platitudes the free democrats have called for more mutual respect. negotiators arriving for the latest round of exploratory coalition talks foreign and security policy is one area where the parties have widely differing positions the c.s.u. wants a complete home to negotiations on turkey joining the e.u. . politic in the foreign policy it's clear to us that we need a commitment that turkey will not be able to acquire full membership in the european union. defense is another contentious issue the free democrats want more defense spending but developmental age should be taken to account as well if. you want to achieve peace through diplomacy and create economic opportunities for local people through development corporation they want to ensure stability and security with the bundeswehr so the threat of terror diminished and people must no longer flee the role of germany's armed forces in the world is where there is strong disagreement the greens want to restrict foreign deployments but the conservative c.d.u. c.s.u. bloc and the f.d.p. see things differ

it was one of the smaller parties in the full way negotiations business the business friendly free democrats under their leader christiane. that pulled out saying there was no shared vision and not enough trust to form a new government at all leaves chancellor angela merkel's future hanging in the balance she was aiming to begin a full term in office now though all the talk is of possible fresh elections and in the meantime a long period of damaging uncertainty for germany and europe so our question here on our quadriga special show is coalition talks collapse disaster for germany and to discuss that question i'm joined here in the studio by three excellent guests beginning with venice on a journalist and author and one of the outstanding commentators on german politics and over four decades of. also with this is alan posner welcome back alan he's a commentator for devotes newspaper and a very warm welcome two to. rick how man from another berlin based elite attempts or talks site to. thank you both for being here on this or suspicious or an auspicious day i'm not quite sure that i was on a

negotiations could continue if angela merkel can persuade the free democrats back to the table.ld only form a minority coalition, something commentators say is highly unlikely, which leaves the possibility of calling another general election. what's certain is the failure to form a coalition means angela merkel‘s position suddenly becomes much more uncertain after 12 years at the top of european politics. andrew plant, bbc news. five countries are involved in a huge air and sea search for a missing argentine submarine. contact was lost five days ago as the sanjuan returned from a routine mission off the south american coast with 44 crew on board. signals have been detected which may provide clues to its location. dan johnson reports. this is a vessel designed to play hide—and—seek in the deepest depths, so finding the sanjuan, its crew, and the 22 torpedoes it carries is a real challenge. fresh satellite signals, albeit weak ones, have revived hopes of rescue. "seven call attempts have been received," says the navy‘s spokesman, "but they were incomplete, and need to be checked t

party the greens and the free democrats are trying to form a so-called jamaica coalition as their combined colors resemble that country's flag but the party's still appear far from a deal with crucial e.u. decisions frozen or they make up their mind as artie's piece all of the explain i'm going to merkel missed an important e.u. summit in sweden on friday as she struggles to form a government while the excuse she gave for not being in attendance hasn't gone down well with across the continent as well angle of merkel is destructed here in berlin major projects of grown to an almost standstill. without chancellor merkel's full backing the ambitious pillar of social rights plan which was launched in sweden on friday hardly landed with fireworks. then this breaks it where there's little chance of trade talks that theresa may want so desperately getting under way before the government here in germany. the same goes for eurozone reforms that were put forward by french president emmanuel mccall it's worth noting that those the u. members would have had to wait for coalition discussions to start h

elections to forming a minority government the coalition talks between merkel's party and the free democrats break down over irreconcilable differences. the united states is just dating north korea as a state sponsor of tours. present trouble raises the stakes over north korea officially branding pyongyang as a backer of terrorism. and the chief advisor to the turkish president calls on parliament to reconsider the country's nato membership tensions between the alliance escalated dramatically after president added one was depicted as an enemy during recent nato drills. you're watching r t international live from moscow studio with me in india today welcome to the program. merkel now says she would prefer us not elections to the formation of a minority government after negotiations to form a coalition failed gemini's president frank fault in man has urged all science to redouble their efforts to form a coalition and not let down voters who cast their ballots in september's election . everything is now in the hands of the president if you know elections come i should see that's not something i

you members would have had to wait for coalition discussions to start here in germany while the free democrats argued that they didn't want to have to sit next to an immigration alternative for germany in the chamber but when talks began they certainly haven't been plain sailing the deadline was set for thursday evening but that has been and gone and those talks still going on but the hellishness it's not going to be easy it will certainly be difficult but it's worth negotiating a second time i'm going to shower for a no no half and then i'm going to go on t.v. and try to make a good impression and spread optimism the idea is that the government will be a coalition of merkel's christian democrats and their bavarian sister party as well as the environmentalist green party and the pro-business free democrats to achieve it they have to overcome some major divisions like the upper limits of asylum seekers allowed to arrive in the country and refugees family reunifications plus the use of coal the greens want to seriously cuts it while the free democrats say that could harm the economy it's expecte

greens there seems to have been some indication early in the day earlier in the day that the free democrats might have been preparing for this step that they were slowly withdrawing from the talks and maybe it's not no coincidence that a green member of parliament or a former member of parliament of the greens. is of the opinion earlier today that it might not be such a bad idea to have a minority government under under narcos leadership so there may have been some indication during the course of the day that the free democratic well being let's say of. being difficult but in the end most of the leaders here have a medical and therefore from the outset. of the opinion that during the course of the day this would be possibly changed and that an agreement worked with it was within reach. so knowing that this was planned a little bit possibly just from a few hours ago from the beginning of the day do you think that this is a negotiating tactic on the part of the f.t.p. is it a place of political brinksmanship or are they serious have they actually gone. i think if it was an attempt at brinkman

but the conservatives and free democrats are against it even though that would mean anglo-american misses her own climate targets. through this in us dollars we know that germany's a country that still uses a large amount of coal and so it has to make a considerable contribution in order to fulfill these goals figuring out exactly how to do that is something that we will have to discuss together precisely in the coming days. but the biggest hurdle to a coalition is the subject of migration and especially whether to allow family members to join those already here something the federal government has suspended for two years. refugee organizations closely allied with the greens are up in arms . the evidence from to my we expect the same of the jamaica coalition as we would have every other federal government that they respect refugees fundamental and human rights and not violate those. but which tradeoffs can the parties agree on how many compromises will they be able to swallow while still looking their supporters in the eyes. at anonymous collector has paid four hundred fifty million dolla

just hours after coalition talks with the free democrats in the greens collapsed under merkel was turned down by another coalition suitor this time the social democrats martin schulze saying there would be no return to a grand coalition if. on september the twenty fourth the grand coalition lost fourteen percent so it's clear we were shown the red card in view of the election results we are not available to join a grand coalition with that off the table one other option available to angela merkel would be to rule over a minority government most likely with the green party. but a minority government. would be unstable at best and would certainly require horse trading on gargantuan proportions with the other four parties in parliament if the government was to well pass anything more than just time in the chamber it's also worth noting that this would be a first in modern german history and wouldn't exactly fit the profile of the german voters who do live in presidency has executive power instability germany is faced the russian embassy in france is dead. from a budget as i'm going to many

it's biting you know sympathy the greens to some getting used to the free democrats were resolute. but we believe that we were on the right path to securing an agreement. i'm going to michael their accused of being pale and passive in the negotiations not by everybody there were some conservatives who said she played a very strong role as a behind the scenes moderator where does she stand now what is her future you know even the green party set that angle america has been a good moderator of these talks so it's only the liberals who are not pulled out of it who try to blame and i'm going to america but it's not what happened it's just a blame game of blaming the about well what will happen to i'm going to mecca i'm very optimistic because if there was a new elections because it's not yet sure but everyone councilman i think very many germans who vote for i'm going to america and she will gain votes from almost all parties for example many. people who voted for the social democrats will vote for macca next time because the social democrats refuse to go into a great big coalition and

while the free democrats say that could harm the economy it's expected that some sort of deal will be struck eventually but there's also rumblings of fresh elections should the divisions between these parties prove to be too white peter all of a burly. media notes the clocks are ticking with the parties till the union or the european union certainly cannot move without germany and torture money too wolf to push forward the european union or to stop pushing it forward whatever germany is in need of a stable government job for we have no stable government seen here for all european business has to wait until germany is ready again to be an active cave's germany or merkel is contributed there much to this situation well it's up to her to far and away of my. thanks. to this. first. lebanese prime minister is in paris said president microns of attention follows his recent surprise resignation announcement in saudi arabia and subsequent absence from beirut this sparked speculation that he was being held under house arrest in riyadh now the turmoil in lebanon is thought to be on the agenda o

the pro-business free democrats walking away from the table at this time so now the question remains are there going to be new elections what is going to happen of course your chance of america are we going to have a minority government now in germany many unanswered questions and a very dramatic night here in berlin we're going to go back to our correspondent who's standing live outside the building where these negotiations have been taking place let's pick up we just heard both the conservatives and the greens coming out and singing a different song now they're saying that they were close to a compromise that this was possible and then the f.d.p. just walked away is it the song that they have been singing beforehand was the parties were so i logically different that this wasn't a possible compromise was it wishful thinking to want these parties to get together and work together in the first place. i think there was some rapprochement between these two different poles between the far while the conservatives from the very especially and the greens on the other left hand spectrum of t

berlin a political crisis looms in germany after coalition talks collapse the head of the liberal free democratic party on expectedly bails out of negotiations to form a new government is this the beginning of the end for chancellor angela merkel we'll bring you the latest. also coming up zimbabwe's president robert mugabe ignores a deadline to resign mugabe's own party told him he needed to step down by noon on monday or face impeachment now he could face proceedings as soon as tomorrow when parliament reconvenes in harare. and the tories former cult leader charles manson dies of california at the age of eighty three he ordered a savage killing spree in the late sixty's that turned the hippie dream into a nightmare. i'm so me so much going to good to have you with us talks on forming a new coalition government for germany house collapsed a business friendly ask j.p. party broke off negotiations saying it could not find common ground on issues with chancellor angela merkel's conservative alliance and the greens. americal is a now meeting with the german president they will be discussing what the

their bavarian sister party as well as the environmentalist green party and the pro-business free democrats to achieve it they have to overcome some major divisions like the upper limits of asylum seekers allowed to arrive in the country and refugees family reunifications plus the use of coal the greens want to seriously cuts it while the free democrats say that could harm the economy it's expected that some sort of deal will be struck eventually but there's also rumblings of fresh elections should the divisions between these parties prove to be too white peter all over r t early on media notes the clocks are ticking with the parties to lead our political scientists down c.d.u. party member than a passel says the age you well simply have to wait. because sherman is see the most important power of the european union as the european union certainly cannot move with our chairman e. m. touch erma need to move or to push forward the european union or to stop pushing it forward whatever germany is in need of a stable government so far we have no stable government secure for all european business

while the free democrats say that could harm the economy it's expected that some sort of deal will be struck eventually but there's also rumblings of fresh elections should be to view. between these parties proved to be too white peter all of the early. the media notes that the clocks are now ticking away from the parties still at odds political scientist and c.d.u. party member verner ponselle says that the e.u. will just simply have to wait because sherman is see the most important power of the european union as the european union certainly cannot move with our chair money and to put your money to move or to push forward the european union or to stop pushing it forward whatever germany is in need of a stable government so far we have no stable government sr for all european business has to wait until germany is ready again to be an active player in the european game we will simply have the situation there other than in the last decades germany paralysed itself which is an exceptional situation but since our contributed there are much to this situation well it's up to her to find a w

negotiations could continue if mrs merkel can persuade the free democrats back to the table.rm a minority coalition. think commentators say is highly unlikely which leaves the possibility of calling another general election. what is certain is the failure to form a coalition means that angela merkel‘s position suddenly becomes much more uncertain after 12 years at the top of european politics. later in the programme, we will have more on that. of course, that story is impacting trade with the bureau falling versus the euro —— us dollar. the stock about the other big story dominating today. —— let's talk. in just five hours time robert mugabe faces being impeached following his refusal to resign on sunday. in an extra—ordinary television address which was expected to include details of how and when he would stand down, the 93—year—old said he would lead next months congress of the ruling zanu—pf party. from the capital harare our senior africa correspondent anne soy reports this is to be admired. the moment that was to be a weighted. but here, the first sign that what many peo

the options now. >> first scenario, merkel forms a minority government with the greens or the free democratsstwar germany has never had a minority government. the downside, a minority government would have to build majorities case-by-case. second scenario, the grand coalition. but the social democrats chairman says no. he prefers the third scenario. new elections. the downside, long uncertainty with no real prospect of the vote turning out favorably. with: anna, let's begin the minority government. how promising is that for germany's future, for europe's future? anna: for europe's future, it is not the best option. for germany, it would be an experiment with trying maybe. i think stability is more important. to what matthew said about germany's sort of falling asleep over the grand coalition, it would be really interesting to see a government that has to work on issues, that has to find new majorities. that would really energize the political debate, and maybe also be a good thing with regards to the fringe parties that we've seen springing up. maybe also for this sort of boredom with politi

berlin a political crisis looms in germany after coalition talks collapse that of the liberal free democrat party unexpectedly bails out of negotiations to form a new government is this the beginning of the end for chancellor angela merkel we'll bring you the latest. also coming up confusion in zimbabwe as robert mugabe digs in the president ignores increasing pressure from his party to step down his opponents are now threatening protests and impeachment. and foreign ministers from asia and europe need in me and mar they're expected to pressure me on mars de facto leader aung san suu kyi on the violence against war hinge on muslims. i'm sorry someone's got to thank you for joining us talks on forming a new coalition government for germany have collapsed the business friendly s.t.p. broke off negotiations saying it could not find common ground on key issues with chancellor angela merkel's conservative alliance and the greens so what's next america will talk with the german president later today about that we'll get an update from our correspondent in a moment but first here's how the night o

well it seems to me that we live in a free and democratic society and of course anybody who under the law wishes to set up whatever organization they wish to set top has absolutely the right to do so so perfectly free to such a group or however my question would be that when you're talking about what should be widely supported i think frankly we should be thinking an awful lot more about the victims of isis other than of the of the families of those who have committed those atrocities so i suppose my view on this is that it is fine for them to do it but to suggest that one this is science should play a massive role in supporting that i think would be the wrong. delhi what is your thoughts on that particular aspect of resources going to this there will be those of course you say family members would have no in their relatives left to fight for what's essentially a death cult some of them anyway why should they be held by a charity. i think it's important to understand that family members of also victims to some degree unless they were holding some kind of sensitive information that wil

to produce a breakthrough merkel's conservatives are seeking a coalition with a pro-business free democrats as well as the greens she originally wanted an agreement by thursday but negotiations have stalled over major policy differences on key issues such as immigration transportation and energy. with a political crisis looming and the prospect of new elections if they fail the parties have now taken the talks into overtime let's have a listen to what the f.t.p. deputy chairman had to say. i'm sorry we still have a lot to cover this means we must come to an agreement on the issues from the last round of negotiations it's going to be more difficult to be finished on time we will clear that we have to be finished by sunday at six p.m. . sunday six p.m. local time that's the deadline for more on what all this means i'm joined in studio by our political correspondent. roberta good to see you the parties they're still talking are they actually edging any closer to a deal or are they just kicking the can further down the road well at least trying and i think they're willing to find a deal the pro

and the free democrats calling for mutual respect.respondent: negotiators arriving for the latest round of talks. foreign and security policy is one area where the parties have different positions. the csu wants a halt to negotiations on turkey joining the eu. >> in foreign policy it is clear that we need a commitment that turkey will not be able to acquire full membership into the european union. correspondent: defense is another contentious issue. the free democrats want more spending for defense, but develop mental aid should be taken into account as well. >> we want to achieve peace through diplomacy and create opportunities for local people through development corporation. we want stability and security, so that the threat of terror is diminished and people must no longer flee. correspondent: the role of the armed forces of germany is where there is strong disagreement. the greens want to restrict appointment, but the csu and other blocks see things differently. when it comes to arms sales, the greens want to ban exports to the c

just hours after coalition talks with the free democrats and to join a grand coalition without off the table one other option available to angela merkel would be to rule over a minority i mean president frank steinmeyer it's predominantly a ceremonial role but when it comes to installing a government that's where the german presidency has executive power it will be up to mr steinmeier whether he decides that he accepts anglo merkel as the head of a minority government or whether he dissolve parliament triggering elections and for the long serving leader mrs merkel that could well prove to be a storm she doesn't whether it's keep that's really fun for somebody has got to be responsible for that the federal chancellor created this situation she's been in power for what feels like a hundred years and now she should be asking herself maybe i have something to do with this situation. mrs merkel has failed it's time for her now to take a step back. that night but the end of the merkel era began europe's biggest economy is heading into uncharted territory with current polling suggesting that