all right, michael abramowitz, president of freedom house, thank you so much for being with us. 83. she rose to fame in the 19605 with songs including proud mary and river deep, mountain high. she spent the last few years of her life in switzerland and suffered a number of health issues in recent years. we'll leave you tonight with some of her iconic music. # take my heart and make it strong # you're simply the best # better than all the rest # better than anyone # anyone i've ever met # what's love but a second—hand emotion? # what's love got to do, got to do with it? hello. the weather looks set to stay mostly fine and settled over the next few days, but there will be subtle differences in the feel of the weather from place to place. on wednesday, parts of south—east wales saw highs of 23 degrees. but on the east coast of england, yes, the sun was shining, but the breeze was coming in off a chilly sea and so it felt a little bit cooler. and over the next few days that will continue to be the case. high pressure will be in charge, but the winds around the high pressure flow in

why, let’s say, in the ratings of freedom house and couples are ahead of ukraine, a simple explanation have a british court system. yes, that is, our court, as it were known were cautionary, but they work, but if we take all the other parameters, listen, what a comparison we have, er, we really have, as it were, an alternation of political parties in power, we have freedoms. i am not talking about social and economic rights. well listen here there is no comparison you understand when i i do not imagine how it can be a situation when a niger is above you know again well this poverty is shocking disparities this is violence this is rape in african countries and in the same south africa this is how they achieved freedom they achieved equality in terms what if the population of the leaders received all political rights, but the social and economic problems remained, and this is not only the legacy of the colonial past, this is the inefficiency , this is the inefficiency of the new government. let's say there is a middle african class who live in their houses behind a fence with barbed wire

because someone told me in my year, that means there's real progress, garrett said, about the house freedom caucus tweeting to suspend negotiations. you're on the house freedom caucus. is there progress? >> what we have said, katy, and it's funny in the course of the coverage that led up to this discussion here, there have been no mention of the elephant in the room, and that's the united states senate. the point of our official position is not that we're out. we're very much involved in the process. i think garrett's got that one wrong, but the house has passed a plan. we raised the debt limit, $1.5 trillion and we have seven modest steps to move the federal government toward putting down the debt crack pipe. we have seen nothing out of the senate. that's our point. the senate needs to act. and the senate that has left town on vacation. the president is in japan. so a lot of discussion, a lot of continuing inquiries about the plan we passed and where we might negotiate against ourselves, is beside the point. >> the process is not going to take up mccarthy's plan until the president comes u

a freedom house caucus member, each of them as we know has great power in the house because they didn't change the rules. as oneed freedom caucus member s said plainly, quote, speaker mccarthy -- now here's the court. speaker mccarthy quote, cannot get to 218 with changes to this deal, unquote. but as is obvious to just about anyone who looks at this, the default on america act has been future in the senate. consequently speaker mccarthy has cleared a situation where he knowingly passed an extreme bill, has beenue boxed by his republican colleagues into a corner, and now has little room to maneuver, lest he provoked the ire of the house freedom caucus. mccarthy is giving us two terrible oxygens. either default on the debt or default on our country -- options -- whiskey severe devastating cuts, to things like law enforcement, veterans, families, teachers, kids, even cancer research. the only real option that does not hurt the american people is a clean, bipartisan bill to avert default. as americans look into the default on america act that the house has passed, they will discover that i

so, if the white house can come up with their coalition and speaker mccarthy can get the house freedom caucus members on board, or enough of them at least, as sahil said, then you can see the goalposts getting a little bit closer to pass the house. before it heads to the senate, where we've already heard some senate republicans object to parts of the bill. that's going to be a whole other rodeo. >> alicia? >> to that point, sahil, we're supposed to be here talking about the debt limit, what republicans have succeeded in doing, is making this a budgetary fight. catherine -- with the washington post tweeted as, quote, not yet to clear this deal is so different from whatever budget deal what have happened in normal appropriations process. was this process tied to the debt limit necessary for house republicans to achieve their goals? and perhaps more important question, could this help them move the goalposts for other items on their agenda? >> yeah, it's a great question, alicia. coming into this, president biden in the white house insisted that there was never negotiate on the debt limit

moderate republicans will vote for this, the house freedom caucus likely will not. we will have to see if you can get them on board. that is the group i am definitely watching to see if they will back the agreement. they have been fighting to get as conservative of a deal as possible, so i am looking forward to seeing what they have to say. host: we would like to think -- thank you for coming in and help us figure out what is going on between the house and the white house, thanks for your time. guest: thanks for having me. host: we want to know what you are thinking about the late-night deal that was struck between president joe biden and house speaker kevin mccarthy. but before we go further, let us look and see what is in the bill. what are some of the provisions -- speaker mccarthy: we work through the light -- night last night and are finin

life that were carried out under erdoğan and turkey is well and behind ratings, in particular in freedom housencorrect and in fact by the country, as far as i remember, they are there on the 140th city, or can we hope that the results of these polls are correlated then the real results, that is, in other words, how fair can the elections be and will the opposition candidate be able to defend his result, well, the question is valid. in principle, if you don’t especially, don’t delve into turkish politics, it’s an honor to say that ordigan won all the previous elections honestly, and there are no special complaints. other manipulations that called into question the legitimacy of the presidential and parliamentary elections with all the nuances with all the shortcomings and remarks , no one was recorded, no one questioned it, another evidence is the victory of opposition candidates in the mayoral elections of the two largest cities around the peace elections of istanbul, istanbul is considered a city , mygdaganeftagan was there the mayor, a successful mayor, among other things, and when the oppos

is the fact that turkey is actually considered an almost authoritarian country according to the freedom houseindexes and so on, but i remember when ukraine was somewhere in those positions , the cec in our country would count for a few days the votes of the candidate who withdrew would be counted in favor of erdoğan, well, there would be a lot of opportunities to somehow try to change the situation at least in favor of the current president, because there really wasn't enough, well, some of this. you can say votes, but we don't see all of this in turkey how can this be explained by the fact that the institutions are working and i already said about it in some broadcast, because the institutions are working for me and they took offense to me. well, they are authoritarian authoritarian authoritarian authoritarian, but hmm , elections are held like this at night, this was a plus and the joint statement of the leaders of the six parties of mayors that there are uh-uh some uh-uh they have suspicions of unfair counting but nevertheless, in general , the elections are held in compliance with the law

let's talk to house freedom caucus member andy biggs. there is a lot of members of house freedom caucus who say this thing is a stink bomb. >> yeah. that's right. and i will bring it down to the most common terms give them the benefit of the doubt 1.3 trillion over 10 years. annual basis of 133 billion with a growth in your national debt of somewhere around 2 billion -- excuse me $2 trillion. it doesn't seem like a great exchange. the problem is not -- has never been a willingness to deficit spend and grow the national debt. the problem has always been bending the spending curve down trying to balance out our spending to our revenue numbers. >> steve: sure. one of the problems for the house freedom caucus and for the republicans in general is you guys only control one half of one branch of government. you know, when the democrats had unified government, where they have the white house, the senate, and the congress, they could just steam roll over you guys. you guys only a little bit of leverage, really. >> yeah, but what i think should h

before that he was director of the africa program at freedom house. welcome to the w. should we have seen jacqueline me not, or should we have seen this conflict coming, especially given the way things unfolded after the revolution in 2019 unfortunately, it's not too surprising because at the helm of this country, you have 2 generals who each effectively leave their own militaries and the thought of them co existing in the long run is far fetched. they have competing interests. they both want to be on top. and so well it was inevitable. there was a pretty high likelihood that they would come in the conflict. and unfortunately, that's what we're seeing over these last few weeks with devastating results. right? so as this plays out, how do you see any, do you see it grinding on until one or other? when so do you see an international intervention? my hope is certainly that some sort of peace process, some sort of negotiation can kick in very quickly, given the destruction that's happening every day. but i think honestly is going to be very difficult because both of the ge

counter the notion that there are loud complaints about this bill from members of the right wing house freedom today, it is the house freedom caucus, other republicans as well taking issue with what is passed while the shred leaders are selling this as a conservative deal. >> john: a growing number of republicans, mccarthy will need a growing number of democrats if he hopes to get it through. congressman jason smith, chairman of the house ways and means committee will be presenting it to the committee in a little more than an hour, says he is in support of it. he believes if mccarthy gets more than half of the gop caucus voting for this, that he'll be on safe ground. remember in the whole vote for the speakership drama, matt gaetz of florida went for the one vote margin to vacate the chair, which would remove the speaker, taking it back to the way it was years ago. but jason smith thinking mccarthy will be on safe ground if he has a majority of the caucus. remember when john boehner ran into all that trouble back in 2015, it was because he was bringing bills to the floor that did not have the

freedom caucus members are now openly floating that nuclear option. and we'll be speaking to a member of the houseedom caucus during the show. right now, let's go to cnn's lauren fox, she's on chill. la capitol hill. are they going to sink the deal days before the default? >> clearly, the republicans in the house freedom caucus were railing against this legislation, saying it did not go far enough. that it was really just crumbs compared to the bill they. passed several weeks ago, brianna. but the reality is once they get to the house floor, if they get to the house floor, that the votes could be there because you're trying to find that magic number in the middle. rod rid republican, moderate democrats to support this legislation. but before they get to the house floor today at 3:00, the house rules committee is going to have a crucial meeting. that's because three conservatives that house speaker kevin mccarthy placed on his committee as part of the negotiation in his bid to get that speaker's gavel, three of those numbers are watched, chip roy, ralph norman and thomas massey. two of those member

to me that there was ever going to be an agreement that would be wholly acceptable to the freedom caucus. the house freedom caucus exists of arsonists who are intended bring down the american economy, the lives of were tire meant security with 100 million americans. you cannot placate the -- whatever compromise emerges was never going to be acceptable to the freedom caucus. >> congressman, let's talk about some of these work requirements. you have expressed concern about people under the age of 54 who have no, kids who have seen changes to their food stamp benefits. you say your district is one of the poorest in america, but you're also saying that it's been narrowed to the point of nothingness. you just told me that a few seconds ago. who were you worried about being negatively impacted by this? >> it's just, there is a lot of clarity. people in mind that almost all the recipients of snaps are the disabled, senior citizens, families with children. all of whom will continue to receive snap without work requirements, and actually, the president, to his credit, secured eligibility expansions for vete

a member of the house freedom caucus. we know your colleagues from the freedom caucus are speaking right now. they say they are no votes. you called this deal an abysmal failure. does that mean you are a no vote? >> absolutely not. this bill is bad for the country. it worsens our fiscal situation. it makes an eventual default more likely. it will increase our national debt by some 10% over two years. it's an unlimited increase to the national debt limit. it will go to $36 trillion on our current track, with no new extra special emergency type spending. it will take us to $36 trillion. democrats got everything they wanted, which was an unconditional debt ceiling with no changes to their programs. it means republicans are going to go on record apparently -- voting to affirm the biden agenda for two more years. terrible for the american people and the country and the republican party. >> to be clear, speaker mccarthy says there's nothing in here for democrats. i want to ask you about what we will be watching happen. the rule

there is an important voting block with house republicans, that is the house freedom caucus. re is an analysis piece on msnbc, it says why the house freedom caucus's debt ceiling demands matter. it says, as dangerous -- as a dangerous debt ceiling deadline draws closer, leaders from both parties express cautious optimism yesterday that budget talks were advancing in a constructive way. there is a chance an agreement will come together before the united states defaults on its obligations. it was against this backdrop congress is most right-wing faction yesterday called for the negotiations to end before a deal can be reached. the washington post reported the house freedom caucus that it is calling on house speaker kevin mccarthy to suspend his negotiation on raising the debt limit with the white house and instead focus on getting the house passed, limits grow through the senate. there should be no further discussion until he sat -- the senate passes the legislation. here is how the far right contingencies it, the house passes regressive partisan ransom note which freedom -- hou

because look, these are not just house freedom caucus folks that are against this bill.so seeing somebody like representative nancy mace who has a really big problem with this bill, in fact she was tweeting earlier today that this is such a bad bill that congress says it's going to get around -- it's going to stop the spending but it will get around those spending caps on the bill through emergency supplemental bills. that's her concern. so we are hopeful, we are going to try to ask the speaker about that if he can at least response to that, maybe he'll change nancy mace's mind. >> john: she used a very colorful word we had to beep to describe the bill, actually. a quick vote count. 35 republicans against this, seems to me you have more than 180 votes on the republican side, and a lot on the democratic side. i would think it's probably going to pass, what, high threes, i would think? >> i think you are right on the money here. need 218 right, ok, here he comes, they will lose 30 to 40, they expected and obviously gain bunch of democrat votes, see if we can get him for yo

the house freedom caucus was interesting when it came out yesterday. e basically to pass the house bill. that shouldn't be surprising. the house freedom caucus are far right members of the republican party who were highly, highly unlikely to ever vote for any kind of negotiated compromise with democrats of any kind, especially on the debt ceiling. i look at their comments as a sign that negotiators might be making progress here if they're jumping ship. >> meanwhile, in washington, there are growing concerns about the health of california democratic senator dianne feinstein following her three-month absenceshingles. what are we hearing about these new revelations about her health? >> that's the big story in the other chamber today. we learned from her office that feinstein still has been dealing with complications from two shingles complications. one is a syndrome that leaves her with facial paralysis, something that's evident to anybody who's laid eyes on her since she's been back in washington over the last week. the other is that she suffered from enc

you see members of the house freedom caucus surrounding him. kevin mccarthy had to negotiate to become speaker and chip roy threatening if this debt deal the speaker cut, if it is a passed, he's threatening to revisit the speaker's hold on the gavel. with me in studio to share the reporting is dana bash. so there you have it right there. number one, mccarthy appears to have the votes at the moment to get it out of the rules committee. as he sits in the speaker's office, what calculation is going through his mind. does he think he can survive, or does he have to accommodate the right and stop his own deal. it would be really remarkable because this is the most delicate of balancing acts. pz the president is doing the same thing. it's just that maybe they haven't been as vocal this morning as they have been in the past. what we're talking about here is a true compromise in the sense that there are if all goes as planned with the white house and the house speaker, there will be no votes on the left, and there will be no votes on the right. they ar

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>> i think the visit is the right thing to do but of course as chair of the freedom house board, humans to be on the agenda. let's remember that our cia has said the person jake sullivan is meeting with the crown prince was responsible for the killing of -- i hope he does that. i think an economic partnership is part of this and it should be. the region as full of oil and money. i was just at a conference in los angeles and the middle east sovereign wealth funds were out in force and it's a good thing to shore up our economic ties. it's also a good thing to see whether and i think this will be discussed this new saudi collection to iran could do two things number one, iran is now at breakout for nuclear weapon. that must never happen. and number two, there have been very important protests by women all over the country for months now against the strictness of the regime. those protests should be encouraged and or the regime should lighten up and allow rights for women in their country. finally, i think israel is on the agenda too. the saudi's have said they may want to and i think this

she sits on the house freedom caucus as well. very influential making kevin mccarthy the speaker of the house in the first place. congresswoman, great to see you. >> thanks for having me back own, neil. neil: from what you've seen congresswoman, and from what you've heard, i know details are sketchy have you found anything to oppose? >> no. in fact i think our speaker is negotiating from a position it power neil. he championed. $1.6 trillion tax cuts only benefiting biden's wealthy elite. i have faith the speaker and his negotiators already told the white house to take a hike on 2023 spending levels. i want to reiterate we're united behind him. there is no talk about anything in regards to really, after him. i think he is doing an incredible job. i think he is going to secure a win for america. neil: there are one or two we're told, congresswoman, who plight not go along with this greet that got him elected speaker in the first place. all it takes one to remove him as speaker. do you see any problems among the caucus? >> no. in fa

>> joy, the spending cuts are too modest for some house freedom caucus republicans. this was always going to be the case. they were barely satisfied with a much more aggressive bill that house republicans passed on a party line basis. they were never going to be on board for a compromise. the question for kevin mccarthy for the speaker was can he minimize those losses and get the vast majority of this republican caucus on board. we'll find out what the answer is, but so far so good for him, his leadership team is projecting confidence. a lot of members outside the freedom caucus we spoke to also say they're onboard with this. they're trying to focus on what's in the bill. republicans who are focusing on what's in the bill are more supportive of it, and the house republicans who are focusing on what's not in the bill, all these steeper cuts that they wanted, are voting against it. we'll see where the numbers break down tomorrow, but we know house democratic leader hakeem jeffries has said he expects 150 republicans to support it, that's two-thirds of the conference. de

. >> there's freedom house caucus members to vacate the speaker's chair over this deal?ey have a right to do that. i don't know whether they will or won't. it will be interesting to see if they do. i imagine there's talk that some democrats would back mccarthy if he was subject to a motion to vacate. but, listen, those kinds of things -- they have happened. mark meadows did it to john boehner ten years ago, and they are well within their rights to do that. >> thank you both very much. >>> up next, the trial begins today in the deadliest attack on the jewish community in recent history. >>> and also, how ron desantis is playing catchup to fellow republican, donald trump. you're watching "josÉ diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. travel pass, on. nice iphone 14 pro! cute couple. trips don't last forever. neither does summer love. so, sadie's moving on. apple music? check. introducing myplan. the first and only unlimited plan to give you exactly what you want, so you only pay for what you need. and get iphone 14 pro on us when you switch. it's your verizon. power e*trade's easy-t

by passing the default on america act, he has handed the keys over the house freedom caucus. as one house freedom caucus members of plainly, speaker mccarthy cannot get to 2:18 with changes to this deal. >> without a deal on the debt ceiling, we are facing the possibility of default as early as june 1st. speaker mccarthy has accepted president biden's invitation to a meeting next week, but administration officials say that the presidents stance has not changed, and he will not negotiate spending cuts over the debt ceiling. let's discuss with our favorite political contributors. the journalism professor at norman state university, and matthew down. the job who strategist, and founder of country over party. mr. dowd, earlier today, i interviewed the ceo of wells fargo, the former treasury secretary, former head of the congressional budget office, and the head of mckinsey, who all said, if we default, it will be so economically disastrous, we don't even know how far will reach. i understand why the white house does not want to negotiate with republicans here, it's not even a fair

legal fund and we were talking about a story out of pittsburgh from the late 60s and 70s about freedom househe grandparents, if you, we'll have modern-day paramedics. there is not a such a thing as paramedics back, then but their folks in the community, primarily black folks, who said listen, please transporting people to the hospital are not working because they're dying in the back of paddywagon's. and they are bringing more threat and crime into the community. so let's actually build a new solution. that is how ambulances, which were essentially mobile icus were born. they trained black folks to go into their community and make sure that people made it to the hospital safely. that means that we have seen alternatives to policing be successful before and, just because this is the way it is, now does not mean that this is the way it has to be forever. >> in addition to brittani's broadcast, i encourage everyone to listen to everyone tremaine lee's podcast, which he talked about the story that she sharing. i want to talk about another milestone, but also having to do with milestones. this ye

but if you look at first one is the freedom house index. see taiwan and south korea heads and tails above china, north korea and vietnam. and then if you go down to look at gdp per capita, europe up here, tokyo china and vietnam doing great economically. but per capita, taiwan and south korea are far ahead of them in the south korean also at that at the time, derided for being reaction theory, right wing despotism. but they learn from the united states, our model of government and. look what they've done and i point this out, because the same thing could have happened in south vietnam. and this is another reason why i think it's safe to say the u.s. was on the right side in vietnam. so i'm going to end there and i'd be happy to take your questions. excellent. thank you so much. let's get a round of applause for mr. mark moyar. so what we're going to do now is we're going to open up the floor for questions. if you have a question, just raise your hand and i'll come get you my first questions right over here. thank you very much for your talk

but if you look at first one is the freedom house index. see taiwan and south korea heads and tails above china, north korea and vietnam. and then if you go down to look at gdp per capita, europe up here, tokyo china and vietnam doing great economically. but per capita, taiwan and south korea are far ahead of them in the south korean also at that at the time, derided for being reaction theory, right wing despotism. but they learn from the united states, our model of government and. look what they've done and i point this out, because the same thing could have happened in south vietnam. and this is another reason why i think it's safe to say the u.s. was on the right side in vietnam. so i'm going to end there and i'd be happy to take your questions. excellent. thank you so much. let's get a round of applause for mr. mark moyar. so what we're going to do now is we're going to open up the floor for questions. if you have a question, just raise your hand and i'll come get you my first questions right over here. thank you very much for your talk

i will point out that there are house freedom caucus conservatives who really do not like what they areing out of this deal and are vowing to fight it in the house this upcoming week. when when we start moving forward. that was going to be my very next question. what is speaker mccarthy doing to get those conserved lives who have already said they hate this, be this this agreement? what is he doing to get them on his side or is he having to turn to house democrats to get this bill through? so any time there's a major compromise agreement like this, it often does require support from both parties. so i'm definitely expecting that because they will need democrats to get on board with this. but i it does seem like since biden is behind this, he will be able to get some democratic support. i would say that it it looks extremely unlikely that many of these house freedom caucus members who are already slamming this deal would back it, even though i'm sure that the republican whip team will make an effort to talk to them. it's very likely that there will need a somewhere between a small and si

according to freedom house, we are in our 16th consecutive year of international democratic backslidingr democracy score fell by 11 points on a 100 point scale in the last decade from 2020--- from 2020-2020. and we are supposed to be the leader among democracies. so what we do? the first and most vital thing is to continue to increase our support to ukraine and to prevail upon all other countries, including israel, to do so as well. if vladimir putin is not defeated on the battlefield is revanche as foreign policy will not die -- is revanche cast foreign policy will not die. nato is the only alliance if putin challenges nato they --, then we will end up fighting a global war. so to prevent the spread of war from ukraine, we must stop putin in ukraine. all nations to benefit from the current international order must understand the human rights of all depend upon our ability to stand up for the autocrats. if putin is weakened, the global movement will lose deeds. president xi jinping will draw from his own territorial area and leaders will no longer have powerful friends to offer corrupt

the house freedom caucus has already signalled significant unhappiness with this deal. w the house rules committee, which controls the debate on the floor, they begin marking up the bill. that's the first step to get this passed in the house. that panel is controlled by the speaker but there's conservatives on there who may vote against it. mccarthy and the leadership feel pretty good about this. they have 222 house republicans. they think they can get 130, 140, maybe even 150 upper end. they think they can deliver. he has to deliver at least half the house majority. they feel confident about that. they do know that conservatives don't like the bill. you have groups like freedom works, others out there pummelling it. there's a group called aan, they're a pro mccarthy group. the next 48 hours are going to be pretty frantic on the house side. >> there's going to need to be democrats who support this. we heard some up happiness from congressman jayapal and others on the left. how are they going to approach the vote? >> there's a very short amount of time to get this complic

so while there are a number of members of the house freedom caucus who are threatening to vote against this bill, the expectation, if it can get to the house floor, and that remains an if, is that they will have strong numbers on the republican side. in just a few minutes, the house rules committee is expected to convene. they will discuss this bill and we expect there could be some problems among conservatives on that committee, both chip roy as well as ralph norman have suggested that they could vote against it. however, there's another conservative who could be a key and important vote. that's thomas massey. he said earlier today that he was not going to publicly say how he was voting, but in previous comments from just a few months ago, he did note that if the majority of his conference was supportive of something, he wouldn't necessarily stop it in the house rules committee. so when i asked kevin mccarthy just a few minutes ago if he was confident he was going to have the republican votes he needed in that committee. as to how thomas massey was going to vote, he said ask thomas. i

has caved to extremists by passing the default on america act, he's handed the keys over to the house freedom as one house freedom caucus said plainly, speaker mccarthy cannot get to 218 with changes to this deal. >> katy, that's actually a very important piece of context there because even as mccarthy is trying to agitate to get all of these folks back to the table and now we know they're going there next week, the core four negotiators from the house and democratic sides, the real question is what happens when mccarthy brings these negotiations back to his conference because i watched last week shuttling up and down this hallway as people were going in and out of the speaker's office trying to get the concessions they needed in order to get onboard for the first version of the debt ceiling bill. several of the people who voted in the republican congress said they had negotiated as far as they'll go and the bill that's voted on after next week between the white house and national leaders is going to look different and mccarthy can do it again and get their vote. ? so if you don't have enough

the democracy and session and some of the freedom house with metrics were the word that, mark, when you're at adiu encouraged with a revitalization and engaging in some of the more difficult places and that was an area that you put focus on. what's your response to that? >> i push back because we're not in a democracy deficit. we are in a democratic governance and very different things watching throngs of young people coming out to vote and had great experience. midan and democracy is still the hope and dream and aspiration all around the world. those are two different things and as well it isn't that suddenly people are saying we want authoritarianism. leaders are letting them down and not the throngs of young people but one thing i think what i was atai ucsid and in eastern europe and we were at a public session with a head of state. he said in a public setting, you know, love uscid and the programs and tourism capacity programs are all great. the corruption and countries that come from particularly a communist path. we spend a lot of time preaching and we're pretty good with the stick a

. >> i think the real question mark will be what happens to the house freedom caucus on the right and what happens to the really progressive ring of the democratic party on the left. if there are significant defections, i think that will give us an indication of basically how good a job kevin mccarthy, the speaker of the house has done in terms of rallying his troops and how many democratic votes are needed here. i think because he said that i think we have a deal, one would guess that he could count. having said that, this is a speaker who had 15 rounds before he got that job. so i do not think that we should assume that anything is a dumb deal. >> we cannot assume that anything is done deal, what will placate hold out democrats and the most hawkish republicans. >> probably nothing, and i do not think that they are needed. there is enough votes there without the right wing of the right wing, and the left wing of the left wing so to speak. and i do not think that the house freedom caucus on the right, i don't think they're happy with this deal because they want it more concessions. th

the house freedom caucus took an official position today urging speaker kevin mccarthy to not negotiatewith president biden and instead to standby the plan that the republicans passed in the house, which would raise the debt ceiling but also enact deep spending cuts and a whole host of other demands. the freedom caucus put out a tweet today saying no more discussion on watering it down, period. so, jake, this really is a sign of the challenges that kevin mccarthy is going to face in trying to sell any deal negotiated with the white house to his right flank. even ethough gop leaders have been trying to work behind the scenes internally to temper down expectations about what a final product could look like, but he does not necessarily need conservatives in order to pass a bipartisan bill because presumably that's narrowed the would be democrats who would vote for it, but for his speakership and political future mccarthy does need political buy in. he's going to have to walk away from innegotiating table with something he can say is a big win for republicans. >> melanie, the timing is inte

. >> those were members of the house freedom caucus today offering their assessment of thisof deal. conservatives have not been shy. they've found many ways to emphasize how much they do not approve of this plan. it is ephemeral. it is malodious. shortly after the details of the bill were released congressman dan bishop tweeted the vomit emoji. congressman chip roy called it a turd-sandwich. the criticisms were not subtle. for these conservative members people like scott perry, chip roy, andy biggs, none of them are likely to vote for this thing but apparently a lot of other republicans may not vote for it either. >> i think that it will pass with about 80 to 100 democrat votes and between 140 and 160 republican votes.an i think the coalition opposed to this will be like the squad and the freedom caucus, and it will rocket through the senate after it passes the house, and i think that there's no serious threat to mccarthy's speakership. >> so that means tens, maybe over 100 democrats may have to pull this thing over the finish line. to be clear there is no big list of new democratic

you've got that 34-member house freedom caucus. they are hard core. they held their noses when they voted for the first house proposal a few weeks ago. it's a lot more moderate now than it was then, so now they're pretty unhappy. it's got to get to the house rules committee. you get through that and despite ro khanna's concern, my guess is they'll get enough democratic votes to get them over the top. >> one of mccarthy's strength is his bond with former president trump, right? we all know former president trump trying to get his job back. a state they're really looking at is california for some reason. can you talk to us about why? >> california republicans are important because three letters, atm. this is the cash cow when it comes to that. the trump thing is kind of interesting, because he was in the dog house in california in february. he's come roaring back in the last three months. polls show that trump now is on top of desantis. this happens on top of the manhattan d.a. going after him for money laundering and the label case with e. jean carroll

on tuesday, far-right house freedom caucus member matt gaetz openly admitted republicans were holding the u.s. economy hostage in a bid to force democrats to agree to huge cuts in federal spending. >> i think my conservative colleagues for the most part, support limited growth -- they don't feel like we should negotiate with the hostage. nermeen: white house press secretary karine jean-pierre seized on gaetz's comments, saying they showed the fight over the debt ceiling was a manufactured crisis. >> don't take our word for it, just listen to members of the house freedom caucus. they have been very honest about this. they are now openly -- they're saying a quiet thing out loud, referring to the full faith and credit of the united states as a hostage. nermeen: florida governor ron desantis has officially entered the race for the republican party's 2024 presidential nomination. desantis announced his candidacy official during a twitter spaces interview with twitter's billionaire owner elon musk. desantis' announcement was delayed by a half hour as twitter's live stream repeatedly glitche

prior to joining that, he was vice president for strategies at freedom house.hird member of the panel is david stilwell. he has the fox fell for future pacing threats at the air -- in this role he educates cadets and faculty on the growing military threat presented by the people's republic of china, as well as pr c's strategy of political warfare, especially in the use of information warfare to undermine democracies. he served as the assistant secretary of state for east asian and pacific affairs from 2019 to 2021. prior to that, he served in the air force for 35 years. he enlisted as a korean linguist in 1980, served as a fighter pilot and a commander for 25 years. he retired in 2015 as brigadier general serving as the asia advisor to the chairman of the joint chiefs. a pretty busy guy. that's an incredible resume. it's impressive to have all three of you here. we thank you for your dedication and service on this type of issue. we will start with miss brandt. >> thank you, chairman, distinguished members of the committee for inviting me to address you today. a

the house freedom caucuses talking about various proposals. we are all eager to see what they would do in terms of their budget proposals. the house republicans really need to put something on the table. let me say with respect to the deficit and debt, i also applaud the president and the biden administration for looking at the issue of how we tax work unfairly relative to wealth. the president has a number of proposals in here to change that equation. so that working people don't face higher tax rates than people who make money off of money. if you look at the long-term impacts of the president's revenue changes in this budget, as i look at it in addition to the $3 trillion deficit reduction over the first 10 years, the projection is $7 trillion in deficit reduction in the second decade. while the debt as a share of gdp will rise because of the baby boomers and more people benefiting from medicare and social security under this budget, you stabilize the debt to gdp ratio in 2040. could you talk about that? dir. young: yes. there is a choice he

the house freedom caucus saying the house of representatives has done its job. there should be no further discussion until the senate passes legislation. the speaker's right flank saying, stop, we don't like this nice talk. >> because mccarthy has been using every moment possible to say things are going well. all republicans are eunited. he couldn't stop saying that on repeat. while at the same time behind the scenes, conservatives were starting to get pretty shaky. they were worried at garrett graves being tapped as a deal maker. they had a feeling that their bill, they know a lot is not going to become law. but they really do not see graves as someone who could deliver on a lot of what the freedom caucus wants president statement they put out yesterday strategically after they left, it's really big. we should be looking at it more as to what this means. and graves is now saying maybe we should pause. >> now the question, is it just a pause or a problem? and we'll continue to report that out in the hours ahead. now i want to move on to a world tour for ukraine'

i have house conservatives, the freedom caucus, saying that they want to deal to review this, but rightre here —— hearing trickling out, we aren't happy about. there was one instance of the house for yesterday were conservative congressman, tim budget, had supposedly received a list from leadership about what parts of the agreement were, and house conservatives, freedom caucus members were walking down the stairs and saying they didn't like what they heard. —— tim burchett stop so there is an entire separate whip operation to make sure they can get enough house republicans and democrats to support it, once they come to an agreement with they come to an agreement with the white house.— the white house. interesting. so some of— the white house. interesting. so some of those _ the white house. interesting. so some of those positive - the white house. interesting. i so some of those positive tones we are hearing tonight might be too optimistic. but we have seen some media reports saying that this agreement, or at least the shape of it, would raise the debt limit for two years and federal sp

the house freedom caucus argues the bill does not cut spending nearly enough. ats are saying the white house made too many concessions. but both acknowledge the goal was compromised to make sure america can pay its bills. >> no one got everything they want. >> so i think people will look back and say, well, i didn't get exactly what i wanted. but there is something in here that it shouldn't be about you. it should be about america. >> part of that deal leans the pause on student loan payments will be ending. while speaking on fox news sunday, the speaker described the clause as gone within 60 days. borrowers should expect the payment clause to end. the timing will depend on a supreme court ruling. >> tighter restrictions for the snap food assistance program. new time limits for people up to 54 years o old a and withohout childrdren if they do not comple certain requirements, those adults will not receive food assistance through snap. right now time limits only apply to people up to 49 years old. democrats did secure exemptions for homeless people and veterans. i