>> yes. >> so did she want to protect mark fuhrman?i'm thinking she wanted to protect the integrity of the trial. >> what did you say to her? >> i was flummoxed. why? >> did she see the writing on the wall? was she afraid potentially a murderer could walk free because of what these tapes represented? >> she didn't know what was on the tapes but when i said the tapes are confidential and she said it's a murder trial. nothing is confidential and they would subpoena you and your tapes and your life would change forever. >> and that's exactly what happened. when mckinney refused to hand over the tapes, simpson's lawyers came to north carolina and took her to court. >> mark furman is a friend of yours, is that correct? >> he's a business partner. i have a business relationship with him. >> and you're still trying to market this? >> i was completely unprepared to be in a courtroom. i was extremely nervous. >> this material is collateral. and i will deny the subpoena. >> i think it's an outrages ruling and we're going to appeal. this is bombs

so a month and a half after the murders, fuhrman tells you this. >> mark fuhrman was still getting togethertapes after the murders had happened. did you find that odd at all that he was okay being recorded talking about this? >> no. no, because he liked to talk about his thoughts and his feelings. >> stunning to hear now, but not really surprising when looking back on a man known to be cocky. >> do you use the word nigger? >> who lied on the stand. >> no, sir. >> the court finds the defendant guilty based on his plea of no contest. >> and pled no contest to perjury. but in his 1997 book, murder in brentwood, fuhrman apologized, writing, in my matter, i knew it was wrong, even if i said them only to create a fictional story. my first failure was the lure of greed, and the second was my lack of compassion. >> i'm not a racist. >> fuhrman also went on an apology tour, visiting diane sawyer, oprah, and larry king. >> i thought i knew better being a policeman how to make the most controversial, outrageous, violent controversially crammed police show that we could make. and i was wrong. i didn't

>> yes. >> so did she want to protect mark fuhrman?thinking she wanted to protect the integrity of the trial. >> what did you say to her? >> i was flummoxed. why? >> did she see the writing on the wall? was she afraid potentially a murderer could walk free because of what these tapes represented? >> she didn't know what was on the tapes but her point was when i said the tapes are confidential and she said it's a murder trial. nothing is confidential and they would subpoena you and your tapes and your life would change forever. >> and that's exactly what happened. when mckinney refused to hand over the tapes, simpson's lawyers came to north carolina and took her to court. >> mark furman is still a friend of yours, is that correct? >> he's a business partner. i have a business relationship with him. >> and you're still trying to market this screenplay? >> i was completely unprepared to be in a courtroom. i was extremely nervous. >> this material is collateral. and i will deny the subpoena. >> i think it's an outrageous ruling and we're g

fuhrman had lied on the stand and had used an abhorrent racial slur.t on defense assertions that he had planted evidence, a charge he denies today. but would not address at the time. >> detective fuhrman, did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case? >> i assert my fifth amendment privilege. >> he refused to answer that question on the grounds it might incriminate him. what more does anyone need? >> fuhrman is disgraced and dismissed from the case. coming up. >> all right. mr. simpson, would you please stand and face the jury. >> the dramatic verdict. whimper yap yap yap yip is your dog trying to tell you something? allergic itch in dogs is a medical condition that's more common and treatable than you think. that's why there's prescription apoquel: the revolutionary medicine that's giving millions of dogs the relief they deserve. apoquel goes to the source of the itch to provide relief in as little as 4 hours. woof and apoquel is safe without many of the side effects associated with the use of steroids. apoquel is for the control of itch asso

then with the respective mark fuhrman, it was a mistake to use mark fuhrman as a witness.y knew we knew, and marsha clark knew, that he had a long history of being accused of racism, and we were going to take advantage of that. they brought the jury to downtown, which would've resulted in nine african-americans on the jury. that was their decision. if it had been in a suburb of california where the crime occurred, it would've been a mostly white jury. they thought they would win with nine black women on the jury. once we saw the trick, of course race and racial animus becomes relevant. they never should have used mark fuhrman as a witness. he heard the case rather than help them. that was the fact that he may have discovered some -- >> martha: your -- we are looking at the moment when he was found not guilty, nothing any of us will ever forget where they were and who they were with, and the jaw-dropping feeling of hearing that. what was it like for you? >> i had students, both african-american at harvard and white students, and many white jaws dropped. that many of the bla

. >> we knew that detective fuhrman had issues in his background. >> you have not spoken about blackm saying. >> the o.j. simpson trial is in chaos and today's free for all could decide the ultimate outcome. >> the fuhrman tapes a ticking time wombomb in the simpson tri blew up today. >> it become evident that mark fuhrman has worked with a l.a. screen writer and made tapes of what police life is like. >> the defense offered 41 examples of fuhrman using the word [ bleep ]. something he swore on the witness stand he has not done in the last ten years. >> they want to prove fuhrman is capable of manufacturing evidence that he planted bloody glove found at o.j. simpson's estate. >> detective fuhrman will you resume the witness stand. >> was the testimony you gave at the preliminary hearing completely truthful? >> i wish to assert my fifth amendment privilege. >> the defense tried, successfully, to turn this case into a referendum on mark fur m furman, in particular and the lapd. >> no one would predicted it, the jury in the o.j. simpson trial has taken less than four hours to reach a ve

mark fuhrman, dr. baden, thank you. jeffrey felix, a retired guard at lovelock correctional center, where o.j. simpson has been held for the past nine years. he's the author of a book called "guarding the juice: how o.j. simpson became my prison bff." what a title. today oj and his attorney appeared to ridicule felix. >> i spent the 12 years leading up to this institution, raised two kids in l.a. r i'm sorry, miami. you know, with all the media stuff, these guys like jeffrey felix making up stories, that was happening out on the street also. >> tucker: jeffrey felix joins us now.re this is really illustrative. we are learning that not only is he a violent killer, he's also kind of a bad friend. you say you're his bff and there he is, slashing you in the hearing today. >> i felt horrible. in the book, all i said was a great things about the juice. he was a model inmate. he always followed rules and regulations, treated people witp respect. i didn't say anything bad about book. my i got hammered on the streets for stickin

and for the first time, excerpts from the fuhrman tapes you've never heard.white she had a big nose. >> sexist. >> how do you arrest a violent suspect? have a man do it. >> disturbing. >> you got to be a borderline sociopath. you got to be violent. >> i mean, what did you think, kyra, when you heard these tapes? >> i was blown away when i heard those recordings 20 years ago, just a few clips of mark fuhrman saying the "n" word. and as i started listening to the rest of the tapes and hearing more comments with the "n" word, and then came all the sexist comments. we thought what we heard in the past was bad. what he says about women, how he refers to women, i'm not even going to say it on television, brianna, because it's so offensive. i'm going to save that for everybody to see tonight. but i realized after talking to laura and working on this documentary, that this -- these tapes didn't just impact the trial of the century and sway a jury with regard to a verdict. they created a lot of change within the lapd when it came to how women were treated on the force

have you a special cnn report, tomorrow about mark fuhrman and mark fuhrman tapes. he became a folk val point in the trial when o.j.'s team called him a racist. you sat down with the woman who recorded the tapes. let's watch this. >> laura heart mckinney. the writer who recorded conversationes with mark fuhrman. >> anything out of a nigger's mouth for the first five or six sentences is a lie. >> she remained mostly silent until now. she is telling her story, her truth. and for the first time, excerpts from the the furman tapes you've never heard. vulgar. sexist. >> how do you arrest a violent suspect? >> have a man do it. >> disturbing. >> got to be a border line sociopath. got to be violent. >> wow. cnn is the first news organization to obtain these tapes including never before heard recordings. i'm going to watch this. what else are we going to learn? >> i'm sitting here looking at tapes thinking, it was so hard to listen to these and stomach everything i heard. i can't imagine what it was like for you guys to hear the "n" word over and over again. and for it to p

detective, mark fuhrman. what did you think? >> good evening, martha. we are at the beautiful prison. when we watched o.j. simpson, i was a little shocked. not that he got parole. i figured he would get parole but i was shocked at the way he actually -- at times, even argued with the parole board about the very issues for why he was there. it was an aggravated assault section of his parole. use of weapons. he argued that he didn't even know there were weapons and convene lately i was talking to the very detectives that filed these cases and he said they not only knew he had weapons, he told them to bring weapons. he said i just went there to get my property. it wasn't his property. the california court didn't say it was his property. they said we sent it all back to the victim in this crime. the shocking part of the scum of the parole board was lied to you but it seemed not to matter. almost like this was a foregone conclusion. o.j. simpson is going to be out october 1st. >> martha: i think you are right about the foregone conclusion. one of the parole

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.: the fuhrman tapes revealed." that's tonight at 10:00. a brief look. >> the notorious case. >> we, the jury, find the defendant not guilty. >> the infamous detective. >> mark fuhrman. >> i wish to assert my fifth amendment privilege. >> and until now, the take place you've never heard. meet the woman who recorded mark fuhrman. >> why did you decide to come forward now? >> it's time. >> a cnn exclusive, "after o.j.: the fuhrman taupes revealed," tonight at 10:00. >> okay, make sure you tune in for that. >>> meanwhile, is president trump's legal team's plan to undermine special counsel robert mueller, is it somehow a throwback to bill clinton, as we've been hearing people say? up next, we'll compare president trump and president clinton's responses to their independent investigations with two people who know these presidents better than most. ♪ the opioid my doctor prescribed for my chronic back pain backed me up-big time. before movantik, i tried to treat it myself. spent time, money. no go. but i didn't back down. i talked to my doctor. s

they had mark fuhrman the racist up on the stand.y got the race card played on them and they didn't even realize it was happening. >> kimberly: that was allegation against them. >> jesse: that was the allegation against mark fuhrman. i thought it was on tape. maybe i'm wrong. the prosecutors threw the kitchen sink at him for the armed robbery. he wasn't holding the gun. he was involved in the armed robbery. it was really, really rough sentence. they had in mind this guy state skated on a double homicide. he has been behaving in prison and no one is going to testify against him at the parole board hearing. so i think if they're fair and they just look at this case, they will parole him. but if they say karma is going to play a role here, they're going to make him sit down. i think most americans want to see o.j. stay in prison. i think there is a certain segment of the population that might break down among racial lines that want o.j. loose. and i understand that i'm going to shoot a waters world about this and we will see if that's t

cnn's special report "after o.j.: the fuhrman tapes revealed." airs tomorrow night at 10:00.ds riveting. good to see all of you. thank you. that's it for us tonight. thanks for watching. >>> good evening, we begin tonight with blow-backs from republicans about the president's remarkable interview with "the new york times," in it ripped attorney general jeff sessions for recusing himself on russia, took verbal shots at rosenstein and former fbi director james comey. the president had a warning for russia special counsel robert mueller not to poke too far into his business. when asked by the "times" if that would constitute a red line for the president, he said yesterday. whether that mark individually or collective tone, what the

and for the first time excerpts from the fuhrman tapes you've never heard.udible ] >> reporter: sexist. >> how do you arrest a violent suspect? i yell out, have a man do it. >> reporter: disturbing. >> you got to be a borderline sociopath, you got to be violent. >> wow, it is amazing to hear that now all these years later. did mark fuhrman ever try to get these tapes or ask mckinney to give up these tapes? >> oh, yes. by the way, she was still recording him during the trial which was more fascinating. you'll hear that tonight. but, yes, he called her and she said, i'm sorry, i'm going to court. i will try not to get them released, but she lost on appeal. >> what did you think of the tapes when you heard them? >> i tell you what, it was really hard to get through these. and, you know, we're morning television so i'm not going to tell you the things that you're going to hear tonight. i think it's appropriate for late-night tv. not morning television. but the sexist rants on these tapes just are mind blowing. and not only did these tapes impact the trial of the

meet the woman who recorded mark fuhrman. >> why have you decided to come forward now? >> it's time. >> a cnn exclusive, "after o.j.: the fuhrman take place revealed" tomorrow night at 10:00. whuuuuuat?rtgage offer from the bank today. you never just get one offer. go to lendingtree.com and shop multiple loan offers for free! free? yeah. could save thousands. you should probably buy me dinner. no. go to lendingtree.com for a new home loan or refinance. receive up to five free offers and choose the loan that's right for you. our average customer could lower their monthly bills by over three hundred dollars. go to lendingtree.com right now. >>> all right. senator chuck grassley, a republican chairman of the senate judiciary committee just telling us now that he will, if needed, subpoena both the president's son, donald trump jr. and the president's former campaign chairman, paul manafort to testify in front of the judiciary committee next wednesday. we know they have been invited to testify. we have not heard whether or not they will. this is a threat from the republican

keir phillips' special report after o.j., the fuhrman tapes airs friday at 10:00 p.m. eastern.e're going to look forward that. when we come back, the white house and what the president trump spokesperson had to say today about whether firing special counsel robert mueller is even on the table. which saves hassle. which saves money. and they offer a single deductible. which means you only pay once when something like this happens. which saves money. esurance was born online and built to save. and when they save, you save. that's home and auto insurance for the modern world. esurance. an allstate company. click or call. yeah, and i can watch thee bgame with directv now.? oh, sorry, most broadcast and sports channels aren't included. and you can only stream on two devices at once. this is fun, we're having fun. yeah, we are. no, you're not jimmy. don't let directv now limit your entertainment. xfinity gives you more to stream to more screens. >>> breaking news in the russian investigation, specifically the president's outside legal team. cnn just learned its spokesman has resigned

simpson and mark fuhrman and the rodney king incident and the l.a. riots.s it show the tensions between the african-american community and the police? >> it's the same story, right? a black person bears witness to police violence, police terrorism and state violence and everyone says oh, you're exaggerating. oh, it didn't happen. in the nineties there were times when 98% to 99% of complaints to the police in the l.a.p.d. were found unworthy of further investigation and then you get the rodney king videotape and suddenly america says this might be real and something's happening and despite seeing the police beat rodney king over and over again, they still said not guilty and we saw walter scott get shot in the back running away, and black witness doesn't simply doesn't matter because black life doesn't matter in america as much as it should and the nineties told us that and this documentary does a fabulous job of capturing that and we're living over and over again. >> it seems awfully cynical to think we haven't come that far? you really believe that? >> whe

excerpts from the mark fuhrman tapes you've never heard.

they were willing to believe that because mark fuhrman used the n-word that o.j. simpson was being framed by everyone, every cop involved despite the mountain of evidence. >> eric: i heard you say after the verdict that he was part of the aftermath, the racial divide in the country, in the aftermath of the trial, responsible for it. >> there is no doubt about it. they helped create the racial divide. they certainly come at the very least, they laid bare that the country was divided along racial lines. we have seen evidence of that since the 1990s. this was an expectation of the issue. this man. jay z, i have to point this out. jc with this new hit album, he has a song on it called "the oj story." in it, he uses oj's own words. he said infamously "i'm not black. i am oj." jay z plays the sound bite over and over again because he wants to show the world that o.j. simpson was an exploiter rather than a victim of the racial tensions. >> kat: every reasonable person thinks he's guilty but i think a lot of people did expect he would be paroled today. is anybody surprise

mark fuhrman with a lead l.a. pd detective in that case, and a key witness in the courtroom.

.: the fuhrman tapes revealed." airs tomorrow night at 10:00. sounds riveting. good to see all of you. thank you. that's it for us tonight. thanks for watching. >>> good evening, we begin tonight with blow-backs from republicans about the president's remarkable interview with "the new york times," in it ripped attorney general jeff sessions for recusing himself on russia, took verbal shots at rosenstein and former fbi director james comey. the president had a warning for russia special counsel robert mueller not to poke too far into his business. when asked by the "times" if that would constitute a red line for the president, he said yesterday. whether that mark individually or collective tone, what the president said has been drawing negative reviews. a group of republican senators spoke with cnn, one who did not want to be named was stunned by the president's remarks about director mueller. "any thought of firing the special counsel is chilling, he said. it's chilling. that's all you can say." another said, "one gets the impression that the president doesn't u

.: the fuhrman tapes revealed" on at 11:00 p.m. eastern, 8:00 pacific, only on cnn. i'm brianna keilar. and "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. >> osean spicer is out. breaking news. paul manafort responding to a deadline from senators that they testify on the hill. why are they not agreeing to speak in public? and a top russian official says that trump and putin may have met many more times at that summit in germany. if so, who was there and what was said? let's go "outfront". >> good evening. i'm jake tapper. white house press secretary sean spicer is out after a tumultuous six months and one day on the job. spicer turned in his resignation today when president trump named one of his most trusted outside loyalists, anthony scaramucci as white house communications director. scaramucci met reporters at today's press briefing. he said all the right things about spicer and then announced that sarah huckabee sanders would be promoted to spicer's old job as press secretary. she'll be the first female white house press secretary since dana perino in the george bush

and a lot of people think that race trumped justice in this case because of mark fuhrman, because of the tapes that were made. >> in my book, race law in american society, 1607 to present, we talk about 5,000 black people murdered in this country. and this one case, this obsession of so much of white america. we have police shootings taking place all the time and we don't see the same level of obsession. i would like to know when we're talking about race trumping justice, where is all the outrage when race is trumping justice all around america. this gets me about this case, within the black community and within a person that studies and writes about racial history, i don't understand this obsession and maybe that is why there was the split. and maybe that is why we're still talking about it today. >> because it was the first, i mean, that televised trial changed our business. it created -- >> it -- >> it should have been changed a long time ago. >> it never has returned to the same. >> it was unique on so many levels which is why people are so obsessed. >> a black man with money pai

mark fuhrman whose controversial testimony led to the former heisman controversy winner being cleared no violations and the board will likely have mercy. simpson is currently serving up to 33 years for robbery at a las vegas hotel 10 years ago. if he gets paroled, simpson will be free on october 11th. make sure to stay with fox news for live coverage tomorrow morning of that parole hearing. a prison experiment that uses taxpayer dollars to rehabilitate wanna be tastes now proving to be a major failure. abdullah yousef was sentenced in november for trying to join isis. minnesota jail offered no jail time instead to take part in deradicalization program. two months later he was caught watching a isis documentary. colonel blasting the program saying, quote: there is no such thing as rehabilitating a committed jihaddist. they should be dealt with by military courts. a baseball themed baby gender reveal failed miserably. take a look. >> 1, 2, 3. oh. >> that didn't go well. >> oh my god. a dad drills the mom in the face baseball filled with colored pow ter. north carolina couple took a seco