he came to fulton to deliver to our nation a call to action. he came in the spirit of james russell -- the 19th century american poet. in 1945, our nation was torn by disputes about slavery and about the impending war with mexico. both of which aren't opposed. in that era -- with least five misaligns. wants to every man in nation comes their moment to decide, in the strength of truth for the good or evil side. in the 1930s, churchill was for a while nearly alone in saying, that such a moment had arrived for britain. and for us. in 1946, he came to fulton to urge our nation to measure up to another such moment. and our nation did. united states turn to the business of creating the architecture of collective security for the world, and the liberal regime of create lifted billions of people out of subsistence poverty. the united states, or as churchill like to call us, the great republic was weary but rose to the challenge that he issued at westminster colleg -- the cold war was declared, the cold war was bombed, the cold war would be one. today,

he came to fulton to deliver to our nation, a call to action. they came in the spirit of james russell, 19th century american poet. in 1945, our nation was torn up by dispute about slavery and the impending war with mexico. both of which were posed in in that year, along with these famous lines once to every man a nation comes a moment to decide in the strife of truth with falsehood, for the good or evil side, in the 1930s churchill was for a while nearly alone and in saying that such a moment had arrived. and for britain and for us. and in 1946, came the fulton to urge our nation measure up to another such moment. in our nation did. the united states came to the business of creating the architecture of collective security for the world and a liberal regime of trade that is left to billions of people of property. the united states or as churchill might call us, the right republic was where he was a rose to the challenge that he issued at the college three quarters of a century ago. the cold war was declared, the cold war was on in the cold war w

fulton county democrats stole the election and it's not beyond doubt, go to the tape. the tape did not show irregularities as was claimed. also to try to tie the defeat in georgia to a deceased venezuelan dictator. >> you could not possibly believe that the company counting our vote, with control over our vote, is owned by to venezuelans. who were allies of chavez, are present allies of maduro, with a company whose chairman is a close associate and business partner of george thorough's. the biggest donor to the democrat party, the biggest donor to antifa, the biggest donor to black lives matter. my goodness, what do we have to do to get you to give our people the truth? >> well, he is not telling the truth. in the same press conference, he said, i'm quoting now, i know crimes, i can smell them, you do not have to smell this one. i can prove it to you 18 different ways. he could not, he did not. but on three occasions, he spread those same conspiracy theories to georgia state legislators. something the fulton county da says as part of the investigation, which traces bac

then, huge new developments in fulton county where america's mayor is now a target of a criminal investigation in georgia. plus, the trump linked efforts to copy data from election systems across battleground states. why a brand new subpoena for trump's all white house attorney could be a very big deal. >> now i'm gonna give you the best legal advice you're ever gonna get in your life. get a great effing defence lawyer, you're gonna need it. >> all in starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i am chris hayes, and it is great to be back after two weeks of vacation with my family which was amazing. i want to send a huge thanks to charles braun, many house, and alyssa mudd and is for following him while i was away. it's august, first two weeks, you think would be slow. it turned out to be ludicrous sly eventful two weeks, and that is not slow down today. we have lots going on. we have more developments in the criminal investigations plural in donald trump and his associates including his former lawyer rudy giuliani who is now a target of the criminal probe into the alleged infection elect

live in fulton county. "outfront" now, the chief investigative correspondent for yahoo news, breaking a lot of news on the fulton county investigation. giuliani was there for about six hours today before the grand jury. his attorney had signaled that he would not be responsive. the comment was, we know how to play hardball. but giuliani being a target raises the question about trump's criminal exposure. what is the latest you're hearing about that? >> first of all, we can't say this enough. the fulton county investigation is the most imminent legal threat the president has right now. more so that what the justice department is doing on the mar-a-lago search. more so than what the justice department is doing on january 6th. because bonnie willis, the fulton county d.a., is proceeding across the board rather aggressively, no holds barred, pushing to a rapid close of this investigation. i'm a little surprised that giuliani spent six hours in there, because i didn't expect him to say very much, given attorney/c

he's arguing that the fulton d.a. is playing politics.e she will be arguing the same in her response to the governor as well. this is a moment where you see many republicans here in georgia who are arguing this investigation is a partisan witch hundred dollars and they're trying to use it on the campaign trail. >> i would article that brian kemp has engaged in voter suppression for decades, with so many incidents i can recount. brian, take a listen. in this ballots we're seeing happen between trump and the legal system, there's also sometimes battles between he and his allies. he and rudy giuliani have been bffs so far, but rudy giuliani seems to keep a card in his back pocket. tang a listen. >> i mean, i've seen things written like, he's going to throw me under the bus. when i sigh that, he say he isn't, but i have insurance. >> he has insurance. what insurance might he have, do you think? can that comment come back? i know this isn't an episode of "law & order" that gets wrapped up in an hour, you mentioned you had insurance on him. exp

we were told that it looked like they were shutting down the fulton county counting. secretary expressed displeasure because everyone wanted to keep counting to know what was happening. our elections director called their elections director who was at another location because this was election day. there's two different places where ballot things were being done by the fulton county office. so he called ralph jones who was at the state farm arena and said, what's the heck are you doing? go ahead and stay. as you watch the video itself, you see him take the phone call, ask people to put things away getting ready to leave, and you can tell for about 15 or 20 seconds he does not want to tell these people they have to stay. he walks over, thinks about it for a moment, see him come back and slumped his shoulders and say, okay yeah we have to keep counting. you see them take their coats off, take the ballots out, and then a secondary thing you will see on there is you will have people who are counting ballots where batch will go through, they will take them off, and run it

ultimately a fulton county judge ruled he must appear today and he will. three appearances before state legislators here in the wake of the 2020 election. district attorney fani willis who is leading this investigation wants to know more about what he said to those lawmakers as he spread conspiracy theories and baseless claims of election fraud. this is a significant development in this investigation. giuliani is the first person, part of trump's inner circle, to be named as a target of a criminal investigation here, this investigation is a criminal investigation. he's also the biggest name to testify here. giuliani has called this criminal probe, said he has no faith in it, saying it is politicized and there is already some efforts to get district attorney willis, who is a democrat, disqualified from investigating some of those that she has targeted. overnight, 11 of the 16 fake electors asked a judge to disqualify her from investigating them. it was those electors, those fake electors that participated in a scheme to subvert the electoral college and try

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on the giuliani side it's a fulton county superior court judge.n the same type of constitutional protection. you have two different judges in two different courts hearing challenges to the subpoenas. both of them so far have said these witnesses must appear. the only question now is when and what questions will they have to answer. >> it is mind-spinning and understandable if viewers at home are confused at the number of investigations that are currently ongoing in that state, given we're likely to see an appeal from senator graham, how long could that last? >> that's up to the 11th circuit. they could take it on an emergency basis, which is how senator graham filed the initial challenge in federal court. they could hear it very quickly. it's likely they would, if they accept the appeal, delay his testimony before the special grand jury and allow both sides to submit written arguments as to why their position is correct. it's an important issue because if the special grand jury is allowed to ask senator graham about questions relating to what he t

the people in georgia investigating this, the fulton county district attorney's office went to the new york courts to try to compel rudy giuliani's testimony before this grand jury and they said he was a material witness. now they've been told verbally that in fact he is a target of that investigation. if this was a federal investigation i could tell you the difference between subject and target, it's spelled out. i hear chuck rosenberg in my ear saying to go chuck the manual but i would know that off the top of my head. my colleague blaine alexander is out to the district attorney's office to try to get a definition on what this specifically means to rudy giuliani. presumably it means he's someone of focus and potential could face grand jury charges. they're going to put out a report and from there a separate grand jury would have to look at this and decide if there were charges. either way it seems to be some indication as to whether or not anybody in the former president's orbit was involved in election interference in fulton county, georgia. we'll just have to see where all this go

prosecutors in fulton county georgia have told trump's former personal lawyer that he is a target of the ongoing criminal probe into efforts to overturn that state's 2020 election results. we will be dipping into that story, plus, more travel trouble at some of the nation's busiest airports. why the faa issued a new warning about travel delays yesterday. those stories, and a check on the weather as we look at reagan national airport. it looks calm at the moment. 5:10 a.m. we'll be right back. 5:10 a.m we'll be right back. age is just a number. and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health. versus 16 grams in ensure high protein. boost® high protein also has key nutrients for immune support. boost® high protein. hi, i'm steve and i live in austin, texas. i work as a personal assistant boost® high protein also has key nutrients to the owner of a large manufacturing firm. i've got anywhere from 10 to 50 projects going at any given time. i absolutely have to be sharp. let me tell ya, i was struggling with my memory. it was going downhill. my frie

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fulton county district attorney fani willis whose investigating possible election interference in georgia during the 2020 race wants to question graham about the calls he made to georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger after the election. this new ruling could now delay that not for weeks but for months according to some experts. joining me now is nbc justice reporter ryan reilly. ryan, welcome and tell us what have you heard about this reversal and now could this truly be pushback past the midterms? >> there is the potential for that but essentially what the appeal circuit was -- couldn't have them take another look at it. more narrow pathway available here. essentially, what senator graham's argued is that he's protected by a -- privilege as a member of congress and he's acting that capacity. this was in his home state. this was more in the realm of political -- rather than his job as a senator. this was as part of the campaign, party trump's campaign team. i think it'll get kicked back in the -- we're not quite sure exactly how this will play out over the coming months and what i

we're expecting a response from the fulton d.a. office in the next day or two.d his motion to quash the subpoena details a striking communication break down between the governor and fulton prosecutors. for a while, it appears that they were kind of on more friendly terms, the way that the governor's aides tell it, they have been willing to bring in the governor to testify about these attempts that the former president was calling him in the aftermath of the november 2020 elections and kind of what the governor said to kind of put the kibosh on that. but it seems like plans that we had to come in and voluntarily testify on july 25th here in georgia. those plans fell apart and they're accusing the fulton prosecutors office of changing the terms at the last second. >> obviously governor kemp is in the middle of a re-election campaign running against stacey abrams but he's also in the thick of what happened on 2020 along with brad raffensperger. so on what grounds would he be excused from this subpoena? >> well, he has a couple of different arguments. yes, he's argu

cnn's nick valencia is outside the fulton county courthouse. what's the latest?strict attorney responding to a filing from a lower court earlier this week, saying it's not only crucial that senator graham appear here next week as scheduled, but that if he didn't show up it would delay their investigation potentially for months. graham earlier this week and his attorneys asked the judge to put a stay on his subpoena and it was just a short time ago he appealed to a higher court, so multiple attempts by the senator to try to get out of appearing before the special purpose grand jury. but this is what district attorneys had to say earlier in their court filings saying, quote, delaying the senator's testimony would not simply postpone his appearance, it would delay the revelation of an entire category of relevant witnesses or information. graham and his attorneys are trying to argue that he's immune from testifying because he's protected under the u.s. constitution speech or debate clause and that he was operating in a legislative capacity, not a political one, when

once rudy giuliani managed to get through the door of the fulton county courthouse. a federal judge in new mexico also ordered trump lawyer john eastman, who of course advocated pressuring the vice president to overturn the results of the election, he's been ordered to testify before the same grand jury by the end of the month. don't forget about senator lindsey graham who's also been ordered by a judge to testify before the same grand jury in fulton county. and finally, is your head spinning yet? because mine certainly is. then there is the criminal investigation here in new york, where tomorrow trump's longtime cfo allen weisselberg is expected to plead guilty to tax fraud and other crimes, and as a condition of that plea, weisselberg will have to testify as a witness in the case against trump's business. with this colossus of legal drama, the former president is in desperate need of some good legal help. but, as the washington post's carol lennig reports, that expert legal help is not easy to find. trump's rushing to hire seasoned lawyers, but he keeps harry no. d

county -- the district attorney in fulton county. next, more legal wrangling. graham's team has until august 31st, wednesday, to respond, at which point a judge will have to rule whether or not a full quashal or fpartial is in order. >> thanks for the update. let me bring in a former u.s. attorney for the western district of virginia and also cnn counter terrorism analyst phil mudd. thanks both very much for being with me. i guess let's begin because this news just came in about lindsey graham. and john, i would ask you, i mean, it's interesting because elliott williams was saying last hour to us the speech and debate clause argument could kind of go either way here for graham. right? the question is were these calls to raffensperger about those ballots related to the 2020 election actually part of his job as a lendgislator or not, aa member of congress or not. >> i think you're right. i think it's going to be a close call, and it's going to be litigated for a while, back and forth between the district court and court of appeals. ult

. >> so, okay, elie, from new york to florida, now to georgia, that investigation there by the fulton county d.a., fani willis into the attempt to overturn the election there, the republican governor brian kemp is asking the judge to throw out the subpoena requiring him to appear before the special grand jury and here is how the fulton county d.a. responded to that letter and said they are hoping to focus on producing records to the grand jury that includes any documents explaining what trump or allies were thinking or doing, any logs of calls, emails, letters, documents by trump or others trying to influence election results. it got a bit heated, though, because the two exchange letters, i guess it wasn't the governor itself that the d.a. was attacking, but perhaps his attorney in his rational for not appearing before the jury. explain all this to us. >> yeah, bianna. this is a heated exchange really between the governors, representatives and the d.a.'s office. we have seen a reoccurring pattern here in this case where the d.a. has been subpoenaing powerful people, senator lindsey gr

and fulton county da fannie willis wants to hear from him.. she was at the courthouse yesterday during the hearing. blayne, good morning. what did we learn yesterday? >> reporter: willie, good morning. this really kind of was the latest step in what has been a very kind of explosive relationship between the governor here in georgia and the fulton county district attorney that is now exploded into public light. through a number of court filings. so the hearing was about two hours yesterday and attorneys for georgia's republican governor brian kemp were arguing he shouldn't have to come and testify and they're hanging that on three things. sovereign immunity and two, executive privilege and attorney/client privilege and the third part is there could be political implications if he were to go in and testify and they're looking ahead to the november election. they're saying this is one of the most closely watched gubernatorial races in the country and because of this going around the subpoena and him being asked to come in, it is impossible that

what do we -- >> sure, there is a hearing scheduled thursday in front of the fulton county judge who and say this was a pretty shocking filing from the governor's office. because as far as we knew, in the lead up to this latest scuffle, his office was working very well with the fulton da's office. he is not considered a target of the investigation as far as we know. he kind of came out with this episode with the former president looking pretty good, like you kind of stood his ground. he didn't given. he didn't do anything that would necessarily make the da's office be hostile with him. and his motion details a really kind of striking communication breakdown between his office and the da's office. and so, now he citing full budget privileges including -- and executive privilege in order to -- >> we appreciate you following this one for us and we will no doubt be checking in with you as more updates come out of this georgia investigation. coming up in our next hour, rising threats against the fbi and other government agencies in the wake of the mar-a-lago search. former fbi agent -- ab

cnn correspondent nick valencia joins me from outside the fulton county courthouse.ell us what the prosecutor's argument was this morning. >> reporter: jim, they say it's not only crucial but that if he doesn't show up to testify it could delay their investigation for months. listen to what they had to say as to why they feel he should appear as scheduled next tuesday, this was filed just a moment ago. not simply because senator graham possesses necessary and material information, but also because he is expected to provide information regarding additional sources of relevant information. the district attorney's office here in fulton county went on to say delaying the senator's testimony would not simply postpone his appearance, it would also delay the revelation of an entire category of relevant witnesses or information. they added that it is in the public's interest for republican senator graham to show up here. it was on wednesday that he is asking -- that he asked, rather, a federal judge to issue a stay on a decision to have him appear. earlier this week he had h

leader abrams, governor kemp says the fulton county d.a.lp your campaign. what do you say to him? >> i think once again brian kemp to wants to take credit but doesn't want to take responsibility. he has coasted on this notion that he is an anti-trump moderate, but we know that he has described himself as a trump conservative, that he is seeking donald trump's endorsement for this race, that he welcomes it, and that this subpoena has been outstanding -- or this request for him to testify has been ongoing for months. he has had time to do this. and if he doesn't have time to show up to testify, he must not have time to go and raise money or do anything else. if he is as concerned about the state of our democracy and he would hope people would think he is, he would show up for this incredibly important subpoena and provide testimony in a timely manner. >> his lawyers say the fulton county prosecutors had an agreement but they rescinded it. that was to lay out in advance the topics kemp would be asked about before the grand jury and they rescin

the fulton county district attorney says the investigation of spurred by the january phone call between mr. trump and georgia's secretary of state. >> i just want to find 11,780 votes which is one more than we have. >> reporter: anthony michael christ who teaches law at georgia state university says the da appears to be getting closer to the former president's innermost circle. >> i doubt that if a conspiracy case was brought in georgia that it would be brought without the former president involved because he was a linchpin in all of this. >> reporter: giuliani's attorneys had tried to delay his testimony because he underwent heart surgery last month. the the judge ordered him to appear even though he could not travel by plane. natalie brand, cbs news, washington. >>> three of the country's largest pharmacy chains are facing a big financial hit. a federal judge ordered cvs, walgreens, and walmart to pay two ohio counties more than $650 million for their roles in fueling the opioid epidemic. the counties won a landmark case last year claiming the chains caused severe harm to their commun

. >>> bad news for lindsey graham and his attempts to dodge a subpoena to appear before the fulton county special grand jury. the one investigating republican efforts to overturn the election results in georgia. a federal judge refusing to put a hold on her ruling at the senator has got to appear. we are getting new information about concerns from inside the biden white house and the intelligence community about classified information taken to mar-a-lago. legal analyst and former federal prosecutor elliot williams, visiting professor of american law university, the author of how to think like a lawyer. and joining us, palm beach county state attorney dave ehrenberg. nice to see you here, we've got a law firm spread happening right now. who are we billing for this hour? we don't know, but look, it's just a week ago today that we learned from the court that trump was keeping top-secret, highly classified documents at mar-a-lago. we found out the doj interviewed two top white house lawyers about it and next week we may learn what's in the affidavit that made it so urgent for them to actually

the fulton county district attorney announced the indictment yesterday. among the targets, the grammy- winning artist mariah carey. the atlanta falcons receiver calvin ridley. marlo hampton of the real housewives of atlanta. and the atlanta united soccer star, brad bazan. the d.a. says the gang specifically goes after people who show off their money in lavish lifestyles on tv and in social media. but now, she said she's had enough. >> i am not going to negotiate with gang members. i am not going to allow please. we are going to find you. we are going to convict you and send you to the prison for the rest of your days and i'm not apologizing for that. >> according to the indictment the accused gang members are responsible for a series of armed robberies, carjackings, shootings and even kidnappings. here is cnbc's perry russell. >> reporter: district attorney in fulton county georgia says gang activity has reached crisis levels. 26 men charged. accused of being tied to 16 crimes from late 2017 to just this month. >> crawl towards my voice of! >> reporter: a

i said yes. subject that fulton will support my initiatives. and he personally instrumental responses. you talked about all the reforms that yeltsin pushed through, but at the same time, he held the door open for the grotesque oligarchy is that rub to russia blind, didn't the, thanks to him. at one point, nearly half russia's wealth was controlled by just 7 business men. that really is the definition of madness, isn't it? it is not a definition with joseph. describe it was and i can admit that it was unfair privatization, but not in the session colors you have just use it was it was the legal but not fair. it was, i was a political mistake, but mr. garrison, as i understand that the reasons are to lose and that yes, that was unfair. and i wanted to change the situation. i wanted just to impose a session for those on regards for those people who appear to be there and there's with as a result of these privatization. but mr wouldn't allow me to use this subject. you wanted to, if you wanted to get all those kind of got us on the hook and what he,

the maneuvers reflect a significant expansion in the fulton county d.a.tigation into the election inquiry. want to bring in matt brown. nice to see you. judge said on a train, bus, uber, the judge ordering mr. giuliani to appear in court. can they continue to delay an in-person court appearance at this point? >> yeah, yesterday's hearing with judge robert mcbyrney was interesting. giuliani while he does have a heart condition and just recently had surgery that would make it so that it might be difficult for him to travel according to his doctors, it doesn't mean that he can't come down here to atlanta to testify. he said that it is very important that any further delays are notified to him this week. he said he is not going to be interested in giuliani's lawyers potentially proposing that another delay happens monday or tuesday of next week given that he is sis slated to testify a w from today. they are interested in making sure that there is open communication channels to say if there is any further issues that he is not going to tolerate a lack of commu

lindsey graham in his attempts to dodge a subpoena to appear before the fulton county grand jury in an effort to overturn the election results in georgia. a federal judge refusing to put a hold on the ruling. >>> we're also getting new information about concerns inside the biden white house and the intelligence community about classified information taken to mar-a-lago. joining me now to discuss legal analyst and federal prosecutor elliot waylens and also joining us palm beach county state attorney dave aaronberg. we have a whole law firm spread happening right now. i love it. who are we billing right now? we don't know. i'll begin with you, elliot, here. it is just a week ago we learned from the court that trump was keeping top secret, highly classified documents at mar-a-lago. then we find out the doj interviewed two top white house lawyers about it. early next week we may learn what is in the affidavit that made it so urgent for them to seize this material. when you think about this investigation, that one, this, a lot has happened in a very short amount of time. what do you make of

did an action like this enabled fulton and his ambitions in ukraine. no, not really. a though i, i remember it is true, the trump was impeach the 2nd time for that action. and, and of course, he wasn't convicted because impeachment is broken as a political process in the united states, but speaks volumes that he was impeached for. that the fact is that potent decided to invade for a number of reasons when potent met with biden a year ago in switzerland. it was largely biden's agenda biden was talking mostly about cyber attacks because the colonial pipeline hit. he did not put ukraine high on the agenda putin. shirley noticed that he thought biden was comparatively weak, especially after the afghanistan withdraw thought the united states was focusing more on china as they were saw that merkel was out merkel was the one that was course was much more hard line in terms of ukraine, specifically. and much more focused on the don barza on the men's records. accordingly, saw that mac crohn was going in his own direction, saw that she should ping, ah, was his best friend on t

a fulton county judge ordered him to appear today. that's exactly what he did. he showed up flanked by his attorney from new york, bob costello. i asked point-blank, did he lie to georgia lawmakers when he spoke to them three times in the wake of the 2020 election. >> mr. giuliani, when you met with georgia lawmakers, did you lie to them? >> we will not talk about this until it's over. it's a grand jury, and grand juries, as i recall are secret. >> do you believe president trump is the ultimate target of this investigation? >> i'm not going to comment. >> what are you expecting to talk about today? >> they ask the questions and we'll see. >> your attorney in new york said he can't promise how responsive you'll be. >> goodbye. >> he spoke to georgia lawmakers twice in person, once virtually to spread conspiracy theories and baseless claims about election fraud, claims we know now are not true. i asked giuliani if he was going to be cooperative. he indicated in an interview after he was a target of this cal investigation that any conversation he had with the forme

so, abc's steve osunsami tonight at the fulton county courthouse. >>> mr. giuliani, when you met with georgia lawmakers, did you lie to them? >> we will not talk about this until it's over. >> reporter: this was not a trip to georgia that rudy giuliani wanted to make. the man once known as america's mayor, who has defined his reputation these last few years with lies about the 2020 election, was put under oath today in this georgia courthouse, where he's the one who's suspected of trying to help steal the vote. he was called here by a special grand jury investigating claims that former president trump and his friends tried to change the election results in georgia, so that trump could win. and there's tape. while testifying before state lawmakers, jegiuliani made fals claims about election fraud, including comments that didn't sit well with election workers. >> they look like they're passing out dope, not just ballots. and it is quite clear they're stealing votes. >> reporter: he famously claimed that this video showed fulton county election workers produci

this is precisely what president fulton say that we are doing special military operations. so it is not a classic war. well, and according to present, which and the goal of this millage operation is to take control or suppress ukraine's military capabilities and limit the influence of certain and far right groups that have an influence on both on the governmental processes that are being used as proxy forces by ukranian government, as well as by outside forces. but apart from that, russia is not interested in taking ukrainian sovereign to, for example, or ruling ukraine, re incorporating ukraine into like some for more of a new soviet union. but despite these limited focus, i heard you say that this military operation managed to undermine or damage native credibility. so there is a wider dimension. what does it mean practically? and do you think nater, even care is about credibility? what is what is needed? credibility in practical terms. let's start with what is nato's credibility and then we'll go, how it is damaged. credibility is eileen nichol should have finished with

and president thomas nor cedar said in march of late to co term fulton will not stop in ukraine if he will not be stopped. and now we have russia demanding lithuania, stop enforcing e u sanctions that prohibit the transit of russian goods into the enclave of kellem, in broad galena graduate. could this escalate? is something going to happen and fill him in. grad or lithuania or the russians have said it will escalate. but let's keep in mind that lithuania, like all the baltics, are nato states, and they are invaded that would lead to a nato response. i don't think that the russians given the challenges they're having on the ground in ukraine, are particularly eager for a 2nd front in that war. so i expect that russia's escalation will be largely symbolic. i think there been some seats, some signs of that in the last 24 hours a look at the lithuanians are plenty angry at russia. and like most of europe, they are fully on board with the very, with the unprecedented tough sanctions that are being level. but should the, the baltic missions and of the eastern european countries be preparin

in fulton county that's 800,000 voters. 300,000 would be needed to sign those signatures.ll folks. but i don't think they're really thinking about getting this on the ballot. this is all about politics muddying the water and making the argument that somehow the investigation is political and therefore illegitimate. >> and from your report that they would consider that a win, which is incredible to say this, right? that if you further degrade people's belief in the rule of law and ins sttitutions in this country, they consider this a win. they're telling you this directly. it's not that you're coming here and paraphrasing. >> no! >> one republican said to you, quote, the purpose is to politicize it. right? the literal quote to you was the purpose is to politicize this. you, willis, want to make this a political game, we'll make this about politics. i mean, they admitted it you, michael. >> exactly. directly involved in raising money, if you recall, was this is a pieces strategy, much larger than in your intro, the willis investigation is further along that the justice depar

and fulton is fascinating. lindsey graham, tense your question, is making any and all arguments.eing the former president, do which is he will do anything he, cannot just show up there. the last thing he wants is to be a witness against the former president. but it may be worse than that. let's just get real. it's not just that he can have evidence that hurts the former president, it's that he can find himself being a coconspirator with the former president. and so, it will be interesting to see whether he is forced to testify and asked to show up, whether you take the fifth and does exactly what we saw the former president do in new york this past week. >> andra estimate anton brian, thank you both very much for joining us tonight. i really appreciate it. we will be right back. ♪♪ meta portal go. look professional. ♪♪ even if you don't feel it. meta portal. the smart video calling device... - right on time! - of course. that makes work from home work for you. so, shall we get started? we just moved. so there's millions of - dahlias in bloom. over nine acres. when we started, we

fulton county prosecutors telling the judge the governor's testimony is crucial and cannot wait they have been wanting to ask governor kemp about that phone call from mr. trump in december of 2020. during it, he asked the governor to order a special legislative session to give him the state's electoral votes instead of to the rightful winner president biden. the judge did not announce any decisions today. >>> after months of intense pressure from parents, the school board in uvalde, texas has fired the school district's police chief pete arredondo. the vote was unanimous just after we went off the air here last night it came three months to the day after the massacre at robb elementary school. arredondo has faced immense criticism and outrage for holding back and waiting more than an hour to storm the classroom where the children were dead, dying and trapped with the gunman. arredondo has insisted he never considered himself the incident commander during that shooting and in a 17-page statement, his attorney described arredondo as a fall guy a sacrificial lamb a courageous officer in

. >> then, what did really rudy giuliani tell a fulton county grand jury? >> do you believe president trump is the ultimate target of this investigation? >> and are we on the verge of seeing a roadmap to the government's ongoing investigation of donald trump? plus, raw politics at the green grocer in pennsylvania. >> for those watching in pennsylvania, you know how particular many people are about their groceries. what happened with wegmans and wagner's? can you explain that to then? >> and the republican reckoning with extreme abortion laws that needs to be seen to be believed. >> that weighs on me. i voted for that bill. these are affecting people. >> when all in starts right now -- >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes, we now have, of course, the results, from wyoming's lone at-large congressional seat. congresswoman liz cheney, vice chair of the january 6th committee was, well, annihilated, as we expected. she lost by a resounding 37 points, 28. 9% to 68. 3%. wyoming voters overwhelmingly rebuked cheney, who stood up to donald trump after his

cnn's nick valencia is outside the fulton county courthouse this morning. nick, i understand you just spoke to giuliani. what did he say to you? >> reporter: that's right. rudy giuliani arrived here about 30 minutes ago, flanked by his attorney from new york, bob costello, and as he exited the vehicle, i was able to ask him a couple of questions, including if he lied to georgia lawmakers when he appeared before them three times in the wake of the 2020 election. listen to his answers. >> mr. giuliani, when you met with georgia lawmakers, did you lie to them? >> we will not talk about this until it is over. it is a grand jury and grand juries as i recall are secret. >> do you believe president trump is the ultimate target of this investigation? >> i'm not going to comment on the grand jury investigation. >> what do you think their ultimate goal is here? what are you expecting to talk about here today? >> they ask the questions and we'll see. >> will you be cooperative? your attorney in new york says he can't promise how responsive you'll be? >> good-bye. >> r