we can only have seven in fulton county, versus the 38 we had.e never had any security issues at any of the boxes. so, we have postal service boxes all over the place and people don't mess with those. so, i'm not sure why they decided to restrict the way voters can return ballots, by getting rid of these boxes when they were secure. >> what kind of toll did these death threats, slurs, you know, against your team, what kind of an impact that have on your team? and on you? >> it becomes demoralizing after a while when you're constantly receiving these calls, especially, you know, my staff. 99% of myself was black, they were subjected to, you know, insidious racial slurs day, after day, after day. some of those would come along with the threats. after a while, you feel demoralized and you're looking towards the leaders in your county, like some of the elected officials, or at the state assembly, to speak out and proactively stop this. they don't do it, and so when they're silent and they let their constituents behave however they want, then what hap

positions where they could potentially impact the outcome of the election. >> now cnn has learned that fulton countynds to subpoena ben johnson into other spalding county elections officials as part of the investigation into efforts by donald trump and his allies to overturn georgia's 2020 presidential election. >> there is a concerted effort to suppress the vote of people in this country. there is an effort to make people believe that the government does not believe in democracy. that's just not true. >> election deniers who are now in charge of elections across the country are a concern to pro democracy groups nationwide. in one nevada county the new interim clerk in charge of elections was one of six so-called fake electors in nevada. in michigan, according to police, the clerk of lake township believes the 2020 election was fraudulent and shared voting machine materials with someone allegedly involved in the breach of those machines. in colorado, the sitting clerk of albert county spreads debunked conspiracies that voting machines contain hackable wireless devices. >> how am i supposed to know i

we are here in fulton county. you have the majority of your population here in the state of georgia and you already have seen the most ballots cast so far in fulton county as well. you can see signs here letting people know this is an early voting site. now, your regular polling location for the election is not the same potentially as an early voting site. make sure you come to the right place. you walk right inside these doors. on the other side you can drop off your absentee ballot or vote in person. this has been such an important election cycle. take a look at the numbers. we have 7 million registered voters in the state of georgia already active voters. about 3.6 million of them are white, 2 million are black. and the first day of early voting was on monday and we saw record turnout. more than 131,000 people voted early in person on monday. if you compare that to 2018, our last midterm election, you are talking about 71,000. so that's an increase of 85%. that just speaks to how many people know that it's impo

passing a little usb port to each other when it was a mint. >> those two workers were here in fulton countyts, no more, more acute than here in georgia because there were so many conspiracy theories around the 2020 election. what we found is talking to county officials, former county officials, poll workers themselves, is that they work in one of two ways, one, there was a group of people that said i'm walking away from this, the threats, i'm fearful, the headaches are too much and i'm leaving this behind but then there was another group of election workers who essentially doubled down and said this is a sense of duty and because of what happened it strengthened their resolve to go forward and do what they feel is their responsibility. the poll worker that we're going to introduce you to angie jones is in the latter category and she describes having voters coming in and yelling at her, screaming at her over voting machines and not being properly counted for a ballot and despite the headache, she is telling me she is not walking away. >> angie jones never thought she would become a poll work

barack obama is in fulton county, atlanta georgia. you can see where democrats do well. 70% of the vote, a difference here two years ago in just this state of 242,000 raw votes in just that county, i should say. fulton county. you have to go where the votes are. that's what obama is doing this weekend. a little later, he's going to pop up to michigan on saturday. then guess to wisconsin. look at the history and try to see what is moving. this was the deciding vote in wisconsin. 20,000 raw votes statewide. barack obama will go to milwaukee. if i can punch this up right here. just in this -- work with me. it's a substantial difference. you can clean up in milwaukee. because i'm here. pennsylvania. another great example here. i'm obsessed with how you can figure out here now based on total vote couldn'ts, how the margins can be so small. this is pennsylvania. 81,000. look at philadelphia. okay? just in philadelphia, one county, one city, one vote, one election. the ballot difference in raw numbers is 471,000. that's astounding. that's wh

their home address is the fulton county jail. >> bill: there was a warrant out of georgia, fulton county aware of this until sunday. so it was after the incident occurred and the police in poughkeepsie say the last contact with the one man accused of pulling the trigger roy johnson junior age 35. the last contact they had with him is 2019. so connect those dots as best as you can for us. >> i'm not so sure the poughkeepsie police or other law enforcement did not know they were there. i think that they were building a case against at least one of these on a gang-related murder. and were letting that percolate instead of acting on that warrant, which is what they should have done. that's what i'm alleging this morning. and regarding this father, paul, age 53. he has three children, two boys are twins, one is there at the college, and he was a partner in an accounting firm with his brother 32 years and this is the story on him. he would get there 6:00 in the morning before everybody else with a smile on his face supporting that family, putting those boys through college, minding his own bus

so now the fulton county district attorney is really hoping to get similar insight about any possiblement or knowledge that meadows had in efforts to overturn the election. so my colleague sara murray has in fact confirmed that the d.a. has secured cassidy hutchinson's cooperation. and since they've so far been unsuccessfully in getting meadows himself to testify, they're actually still trying to secure his testimony, hutchinson really might be able to give some insight since meadows, there were two things of note. he was on that notorious phone call between trump and georgia secretary of state in early january 2021 where trump of course asked raffensperger to find more votes. and then meadows also made a surprise visit to a cobb county, georgia, location in december 2020, just a month after the election, where officials were conducting an absentee ballot signature audit. so really the d.a. probably wants to know more about information about what meadow what's doing there. and cassidy hutchinson really could provide some answers here, since we know he was constantly by his side. georg

we also have some major updates in the fulton county, georgia, investigation of potential 2020 election interference. two key trump allies have given testimony to the special grand jury. former republican senator kelly laughler whose loss helped win control of the senate two years ago as spoken to the grand jury. a source familiar with the matter confirms to nbc news that former white house council pat cipallone has already testified. cipallone has given tom to the january 6 select committee when he described ways on pushing back an ways to overturn the government. >> that's a terrible idea. and that's not how we do things in the united states. there is no legal authority to do that. and there is a way to contest elections, you know, that happens all the time. but the idea that the federal government could come in and seize election meetings and let -- i don't understand why we would tell you why that is a bad idea. it's a terrible idea. >> additionally, a federal appeals court has ruled against senator lindsey graham saying he must testify before that same fulton county grand jury rega

you are talking about georgia, fulton county, mowing every other county down. you are seeing a lot of voting by women. your numbers have consistently shown it is a driving force. is that, in your mind, still the case? . >> absolutely. the theory going into this election was that democrats wouldn't be fired up. this was going to be a typical midterm election where the party and power, their voters would stay home. it was looking like that was going to be the case until the dobbs decision. >> right. >> there was a question. great women are registered but are they going to vote. almost a million despite the governor's suppression bill. big gender gaps by women, especially african american women in georgia. same thing in pennsylvania. we are looking at these first-time voters. people have not voted in any election before. those are the biggest gender gaps. the issue is motivating women to come out >> and for people who say georgia turnout means no voter subpoena relation. -- suppression. they are nervous they want to have a second shot if their vote gets rejected.

they claimed that fulton county claimed more than 10,000 dead peoples votes.ed to federal court, he noted in an email to other trump lawyers that the statistic about dead peoples votes was inaccurate. trump and his lawyers included that inaccurate statistic in their federal filing anyways. quote, president trump signed the verification, signing the accurate numbers were true and correct, or believed to be true and correct to the best of his knowledge and belief. the email shows that president trump knew that the specific numbers of voter fraud were wrong. he continued to tout those numbers, both in court and to the public. the court finds that these emails were sufficiently related to, and in furtherance to a conspiracy to defraud the united states. in other words, trump knew them numbers were wrong, and he lied anyway. john eastman and donald trump are in trouble. more of those emails about potentially criminal conduct are headed to the january 6th committee, just as the january 6th committee plans to issue a subpoena to trump, quote, soon. the decision also

down in fulton county wants his testimony., his legal team says they are studying the judge's order in south carolina that he has to comply. but keep in mind the fact that meadows and the trump allies were presenting these fraud claims has already gotten a judge, a federal judge to say that they provided these statements in federal court as well as state court in georgia, knowing that they were false. so, this is one reason why even if he appeals, it looks like he's got a tough road ahead because the grand jury is now expecting his testimony. and this judge, at least in south carolina, says that he has to give it. >> this is going to be amazing to watch, because, as we know, central to absolutely everything here. evan, thank you so much. >>> and, next we're going to have an update to a story that we've been following for you. that is the story of american teacher marc fogel. he's been jailed in russia and is now being moved to a hard labor penal colony. his sister is next with more on the significant development tonight. >>> a

he had been ordered already by a fulton county judge to appear several weeks ago but mark meadows hasat happened, andrea, the judge essentially in south carolina sided with the fulton county judge, saying he does, in fact, have to honor that subpoena. now, as for what fulton county da wants to question him about, in her initial filing say she wanted to compel his testimony, she said he really is a central person for her to hear from during this investigation. she pointed to a couple of things. one, of course, that infamous phone call between former president trump and secretary of state brad raffensperger. a couple of other things as well. one of them being an unannounced visit that mark meadows made to cobb county in the weeks after the 2020 election. essentially wanting to come in and see an audit, supervise an audit. he was denied access. it wasn't open to the public. she noted she wanted to talk to him about that as well as speaking to the justice department saying there was election fraud here in georgia. certainly a wide scope of things she's going to want to question him on. th

he's in fulton county, atlanta, georgia. georgia. that's where he's going to have the rally. you see where democrat 70u cas do well here, right? well ove ther 70% of the vote.ho a difference here, two years ago in just this state of two 2 hundred and forty two thousand raw votes in just that county,id i should say, and fulton countys . so you got to go where the votes are right now. and that's what folks likea litt obama is doing this weekend. and then a little later is going to pop up to michigan on saturday and then he goes over to wisconsin is another interesting data point.see wh we look back at this history and try to figure out what's moving out there. all right. this was the deciding vote in wisconsin, 20 thousand raw votes statewide. >> barack obama will go to milwaukee. and if i can punch this upht right here, just in this county alone. >> come here. come here. come on . work with it's not coming up. it's a substantial difference. you can clean up in places like milwaukee just because i'm here . anot, let me show you this, okay? pennsylvania, anothegreat examrd examp

one of our other pastors, coalition members, voted in fulton county and it took him 3 hours to vote.o the discrepancy, some places fast, some places long, it does bother us. again, issues that arise out of senate bill 202, which we believe made it harder for people to vote, we have to be concerned about that, things like we can't give water or food to those persons standing in line for an extended amount of time is problematic for us. again, that's why we're here as an advocate for them. >> during his debate with herschel walker senator raphael warnock said it's not just longer lines targeting black communities. >> they made it harder for folks to use the drop boxes. they've shortened the registration times. folks are saying, you know, you should be able to get food or water in a line. why are the lines so long in certain communities and not others? >> what is your reaction to what he just said? you just talked about how not being able to provide water and some of these other changes have made it more difficult. what is your reaction? >> just to look at the real logistics of what sen

we're in fulton county, a very popular polling center. the folks that we talk to say they are tired of the commercials on tv. they want politicians to focus more on the positive aspects of the community, in fact, we're talking to one woman. she's concerned about crime, yes, but says the way it was being talked about in some of these ads, she just didn't feel like the politicians were hitting the things they wanted here, more about choice for women and more about the economy. so as you can see as this line stretches down, john, the folks we've been talking to said they were prepared to stay in line for 30 or 40 minutes but they've been seeing lines are longer than what they expected. you can see people are turning out the vote. that debate was last night so people might have fresh ideas on their minds as they step inside the polling center. >> that's an excellent point to make, my friend. great to see people participating whether republican, democrat, independent, i hate to tell ryan those people need to know just because you voted early d

talking about fulton county phony willis.ing cases like his son's death. >> what about police brutality. wrong is wrong, murder is murder, crime as crime. no matter who's doing. it >> is that why you stand on the corner right there. >> stand right here make sure they see me every day. >> under will's predecessor, conducting an investigation into the deadly shooting and recommended the officer be charged with felony murder. cnn reached out for an interview four times but we never heard back. >> what we want. ? >> the pursuit of justice might not be getting the attention once from the da but it has inspired others and in the last two years hill has been joined in his weekly demonstrations by other black families who have also lost their children at the hands of police. parents like anthony boykins, whose 12-year-old was killed in a crash following a pit maneuver by a georgia state trooper. this year the trooper involved returned to work and the incident is pending litigation. >> it's heartache. to have to even come out here and

. >> reporter: now, cnn has learned the fulton county district attorney intends to subpoena ben johnson and two other spalding county election officials as part of the investigation into efforts of donald trump and his allies to overturn georgia's 2020 presidential election. >> there is a concerted effort to suppress the vote of people in this country. there is an effort to make people believe that the government does not believe in democracy. that's just not true. >> reporter: election deniers now in charge of elections across the country are a concern the groups across the country. in one nevada county, the interim clerk in charge of elections, was one of six so-called fake electors in nevada. the clerk of lake township believes the 2020 election was fraudulent and shared voting machine materials with someone allegedly involved in the breach of those machines. in colorado, the sitting clerk of elburt county says that voting machines have hackable wireless devices. >> how am i supposed to know that anybody has used the wireless device to hack our system? >> the danger is that these are

this is obviously the center of what this investigation is in fulton county.k meadows was on the phone when the former president was pressuring brad raffensperger to find exactly the number of votes he had that he could win georgia. he went down to georgia. there is plenty of questions they want to ask him. m meadows indicated he's appealing this ruling from the south carolina judge that says he should appear so the fight is not over yet. obviously, there is also a little bit of a time crunch for the investigators there in georgia. they're hoping to get all witness testimony by the end of the year. so, you know, there is an effort here perhaps by meadows and some of the trump allies to run out the clock. we'll see whether that succeeds or not. >> we will. evan perez, thank you very, very much and we'll have more news right after this. ♪ it's our turn now we'll make it up agagain. ♪ ♪ we'e'll build freelance teams with more agility. ♪ ♪ the oldld way of working is deader than me. ♪ ♪ we'll scale up, and we'll scale down ♪ ♪ before you're six feet underground. ♪

this is the fulton county district attorney investigation.ra murray and i are told, wolf, that they've had the cooperation, at least testimony from at least two important witnesses, the former senator kelly loeffler, as well as pat cipollone, who is the former white house counsel. you'll know of course that loeffler was a very prominent supporter of the former president. the "atlanta journal-constitution" just in the last couple of days published some text messages that appeared to show her talking to people like marjorie taylor greene, the congresswoman, and others in the trump circle to try to coordinate efforts to try to challenge the election results. pat cipollone, of course, is an important witness. he's already testified to the january 6th committee, to the justice department's grand jury criminal investigation, and in the case of the fulton county grand jury of course they would want to know what he knows about what the former president was doing to try to overturn the election results there in georgia, claiming that there was fraud w

ruling that senator lindsey graham temporarily can avoid testifying before the fulton county grand juryh is investigating trump's efforts to overturn the election results in georgia in 2020. congressman eric is a democrat from california who serves in the january six committee. he has a civil lawsuit pending against trump related to the january six committee investigation. congressman, i should note that this is essentially a kind of stay pending briefing. it may not hold, the full court may decide differently. right now it is a little bit of a long shot for graham to go up to the supreme court to try to get himself out of this testimony. but your thoughts as a member of a branch of the obvious, at least perceived congress it would seem to me that clarence thomas has in matters such as this. >> it is a monumental conflict, chris. ginni thomas was a funder of the january 6th rally. she attended the rally, she continues to speak publicly in favor of what motivated people to go to the rally. her husband is participating actively in these cases. there are more cases headed his way. also, as

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. >> i know they want -- >> he is talking about fulton county district attorney, vani fani willis, whos chasing notoriety over chasing cases like his son's death. >> but what about police brutality? wrong is wrong. murder is murder. crime is crime. no matter who says it and who does it. >> is that why you stand on the corner there? >> i stand on the corner there until i win this right there until she sees me every day. >> the da's office, under fani willis's predecessor, conducted an investigation into the deadly shooting and recommended that the officer be charged with felony murder. cnn reached out to fani willis 's office for an interview four times, but we never heard back. >> what do we want? >> justice! >> when do we want it? >> now! >> hills pursuit of justice may not be getting the attention he wants from the da but it has inspired others. in the last two years, hill has been joined in his weekly demonstrations by other black families who also lost their children at the hands of police. parents like anthony boykins, his 12-year-old was killed in a crash, following a pit maneuve

whether it's the fulton county d.a. or the justice department to decide what to do with this evidence and whether to proceed with criminal action. >> so what comes next because conspiracy to defraud the united states as is where iritten in t document is very serious. >> it is. it's up to the investigators, prosecutors, to decide how to take these e-mails. the question is do they have these in their hands because we know they're being handed over to the january 6th committee. the question is are they also in the hands of the justice department and fulton county d.a. they're evidenced by this judge there was criminal activity. so we'll see what prosecutors do with this evidence. >> it's a major development. jessica schneider, thank you very, very much. let's get more on all of this. joining us now, elie honig. gloria borger and our crime and justice reporter. elie, how much danger could trump be in as a result of this? >> well, wolf, any way you look at this, this is really bad news for donald trump. here we have a federa

cnn's sara murray has been following the case in fulton county for us in georgia.ah is here in "the situation room." we keep seeing this georgia investigation expand. >> that is right. and cassidy hutchinson could be an important cooperator for them in part because she worked closely with mark meadows, the former white house chief of staff and they haven't been able to secure his testimony yet. but let's go back to just what made her testimony so jaw-dropping. she sort of signals that there were people in the white house already worried that crimes could be happening. take a listen. >> mr. cipollony said something to the effect of, please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassidy, keep in touch with me. we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. >> so you heard her in the white house that peopler crossing red lines and georgia prosecutors are looking for information relating to efforts to over turn the election in georgia. we didn't hear a lot from her on this in the hearing but she would have some knowledge of me

what it really does demonstrate to me is that the fulton county d.a. is focusing on the one call that happened. if that is only her focus, we would be done by now. but she's looking at the potential criminality of a large number of people. including possibly rudy giuliani, possibly mark meadows, others who participated in the president's efforts. and so this suggests to me that when an indictment is brought, it is much broader than an indictment about a single phone call. >> on cipollone, we know he has cooperated with the january 6 committee and its investigation. but we also know that he's asserted executive privilege as well throughout that investigation in his time before the committee. do you expect he would have done the same here before this grand jury? >> well he must have. a privilege once waived could never be reclaimed. if he spoke about it to the georgia grand jury, he would have to speak it about to the federal grand jury or to congress. so he's a very fine lawyer. and if he's maintaining a privilege, he would have maintained it as well in

case and we now have reports that parts of polonia has testified under oath in georgia to the fulton county jury that is investigating donald trump's possible criminal interference in the georgia presidential election. >> all i want to do is this, i just want to find, uh, 11,780 votes which is one more than what we have. >> donald trump's mascot, lindsey graham, lost his appeal in the 11th circuit court of appeals in which lindsey graham was attempting to avoid testifying to that very same grandeur in fulton county, georgia. the three judge panel in the certain court of appeals unanimously testified two of the three judges ordering lindsey graham to testify were appointed by donald trump with lindsey graham's vote for their confirmation. in the united states senate. leading off our discussion tonight is andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and former chief of the criminal division in the eastern district of new york. he is a professor at practice at nyu law school and an msnbc legal. analysts also with us harry lippman, former u.s. attorney and former deputy assistant deputy general

a spokesperson for fulton county district attorney fani willis says meadows won't appear before the grand source tells nbc news that attorneys for former president trump agreed to formally receive the subpoena issued by the january 6th house select committee, but accepting the subpoena does not mean that trump has agreed to appear before it. the subpoena calls for trump to testify at the capitol or by video conference. trump was given until november 4th to give the january 6th committee documents, including any communications he may have had regarding extremist groups that plays a role in the capitol riot, and any attempts in the past year to contact witnesses testifying before the committee. joining us now, reporter for "the washington post", camila dechalus. what are the chances that trump actually shows up? >> it's very unclear. he has publicly acknowledged, i was just at a trump campaign rally over the weekend, and he has acknowledged he has received and been served the subpoena. he talked about the january 6th committee saying that they continue to look into him but they have found n

the majority of them, of course, in fulton county. more than 85,000.k at the day alone, friday, just yesterday, that's when we saw the majority of the ballots being cast, the highest number more than 140,000 on friday alone. that's up 51% from the same time period back in 2018, our last midterm election. we are seeing record voter turnout that started on monday and continued through the week. likely to see that good turnout happening today as well as many people have off work and want to support. now, we have interviewed a lot of people this morning, just talking to voters. i want you to hear from who women who said they wanted to make sure they participate inside early voting, but brought their family as well. take a listen. >> i think it's very important because we have to teach those, because if we don't, then that generation will be lost. and i believe that, you know, teaching my kids, because i have one that's like -- no, we're going as a family. it's very important to do it as a family. >> your future is on the line. i have a 19-year-old son and

this goes back to an effort by a fulton county grand jury in georgia that's investigating efforts to thwart the election back in 2020 there and there's been a subpoena issued for senator graham and he does not want to have to testify. so lower courts have said he does, but he went to the supreme court and what justice thomas did, just freeze things temporarily, because the court has heard from senator graham trying to have the supreme court intervene, but it's, clarence thomas given the fulton county prosecutor legal team until thursday to respond to that. this gives a little breathing room. i should say, brianna, senator graham was not scheduled to testify about whatever commune caucuses he had with georgia officials until november 17th. >> do we still think we may hear from him? >> yes. there is very much that possibility. senator graham says whatever communications he had with georgia officials after the election had to do with his legislative responsibilities and that ecovered lie a legislative defense clause. a bit of a fact-finding mission for him. not that he was trying to coe

trump, the individual, is the one out of fulton county, georgia.appens at some point in the upcoming months, it is going to be a very difficult climb for the d.a. to take this case from indictment to conviction. they're going to have constitutional problems with the local county d.a. inindicting a former president. they're going to have legal issues, practical and political issues with getting a jury to unanimously convict someone who's polarizing but a popular figure. especially the farther we get from january 6th and the closer we get to 2024. >> much time has passed since january 6th, to be sure. sources tell cnn that federal prosecutors believe they could charge president biden's son hunter with tax crimes and a false statement regarding a gun purchase. but a final decision has not been made. i seem to recall this unwritten rule at the justice department that prosecutors not bring politically sensitive cases within 60 days of an election. we're about a month out from the midterms. so what's your reaction to all of this? >> well, technically, ji

graham's request to hold the subpoena that would compel him to testify on that criminal probe at fulton county potential interference in the 2020 election, we don't know necessarily what this means yet when it comes to justice -- possibly making a referral. but what do you think? >> so this is much like the matter we were just discussing last week. where president trump and tried to -- mar-a-lago in the 11th circuit, lindsey graham is now asking the supreme court to keep him from having to testify in front of the fulton county da, his grand jury and this is the same sort of situation. clarence thomas could read the briefs he's requested, and dismiss the request out of hand. he could referred to the full court, in which case it would most likely be decided on the shadow docket. but the 11th circuit a three judge panel that includes again, two trump appointees, has written very powerful opinions, that says, some factual evidence, grand jury's are entitled to collect. and what graham would be testifying to as well within the da's ability to subpoena. >> joyce, as always, great to see you. the whi

does that mean -- more than 17,000 more votes were cast and fulton county there are ballots to support the number of votes. dropbox avail and showed 18,000 unaccounted for votes. his improper chain of custody votes statewide. chain of custody forms are missing for 355,000 votes statewide. 86,000 voters had false registration dates of 2017, but they are not reflected in the 2017 data. over 1.7 million original ballot images are lost or destroyed in 70 counties. i'm saying it is not credible. >> mr. raffensperger, would you like to respond? sec. raffensperger: when we wrote house bill 316 and brought in the verifiable paper ballot, we said the official ballot is the paper ballot. we have the paper ballots on file come on record. we did a 100% hand recount for the results we got. >> i would like to ask, the new election law in georgia allows for unlimited challenges of voter registration. thus far there have been over 60,000 complaints filed or claims filed. the majority tossed out. is this adequate use of resources? if not, will you work to change the system? mr. raffensperger? sec. raff

>> you know, all options are on the table, as far as we know from the fulton county grand jury, and fulton county investigators. that call is one reason why they want to see him on the witness stand because he was also part of a december 2020 meeting and the white house promoting false election claims involving georgia. to me, most interestingly, he visited a site in suburban atlanta around the same time where an audit of georgia absentee ballots was underway. surprising officials. they want to hear from him on that visit as well. >> let's tie the two story lines together and talk about the role that donald trump plays in the midterm election there in georgia. we know that georgia officials, raffensperger, the governor, kemp, stood up to trump's efforts to overturn the election in 2020. we know that herschel walker is trump's hand picked candidate for the senate. trump scheduled for a bunch of rallies in the coming days. georgia is not on there yet. what's the impact the former president is going to have here in the closing stretch where you are? >> and that's why georgia defies the sort o

many trump associates have bought subpoenas issued by the fulton county ground jury and they have lost those fights. they have been forced to testify to that grand jury, including trump's election lawyer, rudy giuliani, who is already testified to that grand jury. senator lindsey graham is finding his subpoena to that grand jury and he has lost his argument in the first two stages of the federal cases that he brought to try to block that subpoena. a federal district court ruled against lindsey graham, a three judge panel of the 11 circuit court of appeals unanimously ruled against lindsey graham, two of those three judges unanimously voting against lindsey graham were trump appointees to the appeals court. then on friday, lindsey graham filed an emergency appeal to the united states supreme court knowing, knowing that the supreme court justice, assigned to handle emergency appeals from the 11th circuit, is clarence thomas. clarence thomas should have immediately recuse himself from that case. but he did not. instead today, clarence thomas became the first federal judge in this case to

and that is in the crucial fulton county, georgia, investigation. >> in this case senator graham has already lost at the district court level. he's lost in the 11th circuit court of appeals in atlanta. and now he's asking the supreme court to come in and stop the fulton county grand jury from taking his testimony. the argument that the senator is making is that because he is a sitting senator, he's protected by the constitution's speech or debate clause. he says that the efforts that he made speaking to officials there in georgia to try to overturn the election results there were part of his preparation for january 6th and his effort to object to the certification. so, that's what he says he was working on at the time. and, so, obviously the 11th circuit has already said that, look, you do have those protections as a senator, but they are not just unilateral, that there are some questions that you should take from the grand jury. so we'll see. the request went to clarence thomas, justice clarence thomas. and we expect that he is likely to refer it to the broader court. and then we'll

>> well, anderson, sources are telling us that the fulton county district attorney willis wants to move quickly after the midterms to wrap up her work. she has had the special grand jury there seated for five months collecting evidence, and she could move as soon as december to begin issuing indictments. now there is going to be this quiet period before the election. so there could be a period where we don't see or hear much out of her investigation. and there are still a few loose ends she has to tie up. she is still trying to get testimony from former white house chief of staff mark meadows, for instance. but it is clear she is sort of looking at wrapping up this investigation and moving ahead quickly with potential indictments. >> it is clear who might actually be facing indictments? >> it's not clear. we know that prosecutors working on this case have warned rudy giuliani, the president's former attorney, as well as the 16 pro-trump fake electors that they could all be potential targets as part of her probe. we also know this is a grand jury that has collected a lot of evidence in t

but instead of complaining about it and doing the blame game, i went and worked with fulton county, with the cap county, with democrats to come up with a solution that puts state resources into grady, to health, to make sure people have the access in the care that they need in our state, and i'm committed to continuing to do that in the future. donna: shane, -- chuck, you get the final question >> mr. hazel, you ran for congress in 2018, that was four years ago. less than 30% of the room -- boat in the republican primary. what happened between then and now that made you a libertarian? mr. hazel: i actually came back to my roots as a libertarian. we believe in freedom. we saw with the republican party was and what the democratic party was. they were forcing cores and. no matter what they talk about they are forcing coercion. whether it's need for hospitals, taking guns away from law-abiding citizens, it is always force and coercion at the point of a gun from the democrats and republicans. to look at life through consent, we can all have transactions, we do it every day in the private sect

so these are witnesses that are very important to the georgia -- the fulton county investigation. you see there a list of other people who have gone in, including boris epstein who is still a topical lie and adviser of the former president, rudy giuliani has also appeared, and, of course, senator lindsey graham is now according to the appeals court there in atlanta, he has to show up to provide testimony. the senator graham has claimed that he is exempt from this because of the speech or debate clause. the appeals court has said that he should testify to the grand jury, at least with regard to his efforts -- his conversations with the former president and allies to try to overturn those election results in georgia. we don't know whether he's going to appeal and try to keep -- stop this -- this testimony from going forward, bianna, but right now that's what the courts are ordering him to do. >> he's been trying to delay this testimony for months now. evan perez, thank you. >> thanks. >>> joining me now is a former federal prosecutor and host of the on tom i can podcast. never a dul

once the documents are out of the bag, the doj even fulton county can obtain them.or the former president? >> it's very problematic. these e-mails, for instance, in one case establish that the former president signs a verification of a complaint that was being filed in federal court. he said under oath to the best of my knowledge, the facts in this complaint are true. and that wasn't the case. the complaint included some statistics on voter fraud. it claimed that dead people were voting in and people formally convicted of felonies were voting in real estate really large numbers. tens of thousands of people in total. and trum health care plan previously been advised that those numbers were inaccurate. and we know that because that advice comes in this series of e-mails that is now being released. so it sort of an interesting situation, peter, to judge releases the e-mail because he finds that e-mails were being used in furtherance of krin alt. it is less that finding about krin alt that matters. that won't have force, obviously, as doj and the fulton county da look a

but instead of complaining about it and doing the blame game, i went and worked with fulton county, with cab county, with democrats to come up with a solution that puts state resources into grady, to health, -- to help make sure people have the access in the care that they need in our state, and i'm committed to continuing to do that in the future. donna: all right, shane, -- chuck, you get the final question to shame hazel. --shane hazel. >> mr. hazel, you ran for congress in 2018, that was four years ago. less than 30% of the room -- voat ago. -- vote in the republican primary. what happened between then and now that made you a libertarian? mr. hazel: i actually came back to my roots as a libertarian. we believe in freedom. we saw with the republican party was and what the democratic party was. they were forcing coercion. no matter what they talk about they are forcing coercion. whether it's need for hospitals, taking guns away from law-abiding citizens, it is always forcing coercion at the point of a gun from the democrats and republicans. to look at life through consent, we can all h

. >> reporter: her solution, training to become a poll manager in fulton county, georgia.this process, what do you want them to know about the work that you do? >> first of all, come join us. take the training. if people would understand the process more, i feel like they would be less fearful that their votes are not secure. >> reporter: angie has worked every election since 2018, but none like georgia's 2021 runoff that gave democrats control of the senate. after the 2020 election, did you notice a change? >> immediately i noticed a change. i had a lot of voters that came in angry, distrustful. >> reporter: election workers were increasingly targeted by conspiracy theories, like this woman and her mother, who also worked in fulton county. >> it turned my life upside down. >> reporter: according to the brennan center for justice, one in five election workers say they are unlikely to serve through 2024. one in six have personally experienced threats. angie says she will never forget asking a friend to sign up. >> she said no. she was afraid. i remember she said to me, peop

this also comes as we're getting a big development in the fulton county grand jury investigation.s into trump's overturn to election in georgia. sources are telling she was going to quickly wrap up with the grand jury, but indictments would not come until after the election, again. so she's going to wait as well. but many have said there's a lot of evidence here, and certainly i've talked to people who have been in front of that grand jury and they'd made it clear that grand jury has asked the right questions. who do you think it's going to be indicted? >> i think it's drchl and rudy giuliani. she's already said rudy giuliani is a target for the investigation, and baseshy she's publicly pointed the finger at donald trump. and the crimes she's investigating are basically about them. that includes pressuring officials, lying to state lawmakers about election fraud. that is actually their activity under investigation. there's a lot of evidence against them. >> okay, so when you say rudy giuliani, and i know that from people who have testified in that room and also donald j. trump, bu