they were here to talk about that and we asked the witness from gao if gao would be willing to take a look at the work that has been done by the two independent auditors to find out whether they are valid. we need that kind of direction. if you will, a good housing stamp of approval from gao would be helpful as we try to know if and not the postal service take out of the hole they are in and return to profitability is. is that something you can help with? could be most grateful. >> definitely, senator. we'll be able to do that. we are the chief actuary if gao that would be a little figure out that status and we will do that. i understand the tasking work and will deliver that. as you know, the postal service is on our high-risk list because of financial condition situations. we be happy to do that. >> thanks very much. i don't know. since my first three questions have been addressed, i'll turn to the fourth and 90 cybersecurity, initiatives under collins and i am the chairman have a whole lot of interest and done with the help of our staff have done some good work. it's hard to get an

they were here to talk about that and we asked the witness from gao if gao would be willing to take a look at the work that has been done by the two independent auditors to find out whether they are valid. we need that kind of direction. if you will a good housing stamp of approval from gao would be helpful as we try to know if and not the postal service take out of the hole they are in and return to profitability is. is that something you can help with? could be most grateful. >> definitely, senator. we'll be able to do that. we are the chief actuary if gao that would be a little figure out that status and we will do that. i understand the tasking work and will deliver that. as you know, the postal service is on our high-risk list because of financial condition situations. we be happy to do that. >> thanks very much. i don't know. since my first three questions have been addressed, i'll turn to the fourth and 90 cybersecurity initiatives under collins and i am the chairman have a whole lot of interest and done with the help of our staff have done some good work. it's hard to get anyt

in a report that was released by gao earlier this year, gao took a look at the twig program, the transportation worker identification credential that is used for access to our seaports. and its findings were disturbing us in terms of protecting us from the insider threat. first, gao found that tsa's background checking process is not even designed to detect fraud. in other words, gao found that would be easier to obtain a twic card with fraudulent documents and a driver's license. that is very disturbing. second, gao criticized the process is not providing an ongoing check. in other words, once the worker receives a twic card, he or she has that twic card for an in depth time, even if there's a subsequent information or conviction, or something that would cause a twic card to be revoked, one would hope. what steps has the dhs taken to remedy these critical flaws in the twic program? >> senator, we share the concern about the insider threats, and though that is when we have to stay constantly vigilant year and this involves not only those of us in the federal government but also, for example, in

she's been at gao since 1983. she comes to us today with significant experience in evaluating public health issues. her work focuses in particular on evaluating product safety, pharmaceutical regulations. next we have mr. ken martello, the assistant general counsel for pharma. and we appreciate you being here. next is mr. gordon johnston, senior adviser for regulatory sciences at the pharmaceutical association. has worked in the pharmaceutical industry for the last 25 years. we thank you for being here. mr. martin van triust. senior vice president of amgen. is the past chair of rx-360 regarding counterfeits, thefts and aduller ated materials in the pharmaceutical supply chain. we thank you for being here. last is allen kukel. did i pronounce that right? >> alan kockel. he overseas the initiative of the pharmaceutical supply chain safety. in july the pugh released an interesting report that shed light on the weaknesses and gaps in our pharmaceutical supply chain. we thank you for being here. all of your testimony w

again, we tend to bourque with agencies like the gao and -- to work with agencies like the gao and otherson't always agree but the feedback they provide is valuable. we take on those things and try to make improvements as we go. some of the things that were identified in those reports the department had already been working to correct. some we continue to work on. the other point too is that reports like that people shouldn't have the idea that it is a static report. there's a report and reaction and things go on. again, it is continuous. even before that report was issued we were already working on a number of items to increase efficient sees. for example -- for example, our health records. department of defense and veterans administration have been working to integrate and create electronic health records. within the department we've had a senior integration group to oversee our counter efforts which are important. a number of those initiatives are underway. they began before the gao report was issued and they continue now. >> total spending on contracts and grants in iraq and afghanist

she's been at gao since 1983. she comes to us today with significant experience in evaluating public health issues. her work focuses in particular on evaluating product safety, pharmaceutical regulations. next we have mr. ken martello, the assistant general counsel for pharma. and we appreciate you being here. next is mr. gordon johnston, senior adviser for regulatory sciences at the pharmaceutical association. has worked in the pharmaceutical industry for the last 25 years. we thank you for being here. mr. martin van triust. senior vice president of amgen. is the past chair of rx-360 regarding counterfeits, thefts and aduller ated materials in the pharmaceutical supply chain. we thank you for being here. last is allen kukel. did i pronounce that right? >> alan kockel. he overseas the initiative of the pharmaceutical supply chain safety. in july the pugh released an interesting report that shed light on the weaknesses and gaps in our pharmaceutical supply chain. we thank you for being here. all of your testimony w

tonight griff jenkins jess gates another part of the gao report. even -- investigates -- there's even more waste. >> reporter: this gao report on waste and duplication could save hundreds of billions if federal an event agencies would implement the recommendations in it. tonight we want to focus on education and job training. this report is six months old. we want to know what is being done? there are 82 separate federal perhaps to improve teacher quality across 10 different agencies administered at a cost of four billion dollars a year. you look further and find that nine of the 82 programs support improving the quality of teaching in science, technology, engineering and math. these programs are administered across departments of education, defense, energy, nasa and the national science foundation. that's four billion dollars that would give four million students $1,000 to apply towards college tuition or buy 55 new computers for every elementary and secondary public school in the country with four billion saved. on job training. 47 job training p

. >> gao ziqing. >> i've been back here and i always find myself on the defending side of the systemtrying to explain to my countrymen where the system is suriornd now i findt more and more difficult to do that ee especially after in the economic field and political field so people start to think well maybe, you know, the reason why our system has been here for over 2500 years is the reason. >> charlie: and gao ziqing. >> the china and the united states have relation for three yearand we come along way and accomplished a lot but if we want to continue t make progress i think we really need to trust the other side. >> charlie: chinese business leaders on china and the united states when we continue. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: we beg with the business leaders partnership initiative. they're a group of chinese business leade who are in washington d.c. to talk with the secretary of state, the secretary of the treary and white house chief of staff and others. they have come in a sense to prote understand

i'm talking about the supply chain, the foreign supply chain. >> and many times as the gao has found a preapproval inspection is coup weld a good manufacturing practice inspection. n are getting those inspections on a regular basis and they are supported through the user fees and in the prescription drug fee provisions. >> okay what phrma would be willing to put more in to do that? to do the foreign supply chain? i think that's what i've been asking you and i don't quite feel like i'm getting a real answer. i feel like i'm getting a circular kind of answer. >> across the board the prescription drug user fee act in the agreement that was just released increases resources for fda to conduct the necessary reviews of new drug approval applications -- >> well, that's drug approval. >> -- with that, a portion of that is targeted for inspections. >> what about existing drugs. >> our companies do our fair share to try to -- >> would do you more? >> i think we'd be happy to engage in conversations around that. we think giving the fda the opportunity to use risk to drive the intervals at which

we don't ask the gao would you take a look at this? would you take a look and see the work the group has done and the auditors within opm. >> that is an offer we might want to take advantage of. >> have you had the chance to meet with the folks to understand what their assumptions are? >> i know ever staff has and there has been communication not only with them the the other studies done and we welcome the gao's participation in the sand with the committee staff in helping the committee decide what that fair and equitable standard should be. >> i'm over. let me stop there and say thanks for giving me a few extra seconds and thanks for the response. >> cementer mccaskill. >> we were in the middle of hearing the 167 post office closings being proposed in my state 85% of those are in the counties of less than 50,000 residents. i spent a lot of time in my state going around outside of the urban area the last month i worry that the transparency of the process and the last time you testified before us senator pryor asked the question to my k

so essentially, the gao report mentioned concerns about how the department assess risk. and a few three gentlemen have any comment on how we can improve the accuracy of the risk of threat of attack to search in urban areas like metropolitan detroit 10 years later. i people i represent are still at risk of a threat. i want to retype them the best i can. >> there's no way we could get you started to because we don't have the mind of a terrorist. but they have given us two big hands. one is they are going to do as much damage to us as they can. and the second is that they want to have symbolic target. so, every community has to sit down and analyze whether this community is most vulnerable? and they have to prioritize those vulnerabilities. you know your community better than the dhs secretary for the president or anybody else and it is the local community that has to make the analysis of what are the target in my community and are most likely to behave given standards that the terrorists have repeatedly given to us? they want to do much damage. so do you protect where peop

guest: that is not a part of the gao's per view.look at programs within the department and we are mandated in legislation to the review. that is not one area that we have not looked at and would not be with an hour per view. -- within our purview. host: atlanta, georgia. caller: i have a question about whistle-blowers. what i am interested in is the police chief of atlanta was part of the corrupt regime that was the convicted former mayor, so i think whistle-blowers would be needing all the encouragement that they could get. guest: there are legal protections that they have it that our agency of years to. if you have people that sometimes come forward and provide information to our agency since we are viewed as an independent watchdog for the congress to provide us with information. in those cases, we coordinate closely with them to make sure that we are adhering to requirements and loss for the protection of whistle-blowers. host: was an article on governmentexecutive.com. one thing that charles clarke writes about is, he says -- h

most notably, as you elude it to in the clearance reform and where i believe the gao performed a very useful service by keeping after lst and keeping us honest sustaining the amendment and the pressure to bring about clarence reform which is still ongoing. there is a case we have made huge head ways and progrs but ere's more to be done. so in answer to your question, i would -- since the directive is only about two months old, i would suggest we watch how this unfolds and see what comes up in the way of the studies and investigations the gao wants to do, and i've pledged to them privately and i will publicly that we will cooperate to the maxum extent possible. >> thank you. director petraeus and colleagues that outlined them and i think that you did also. we have tremendous tactical intelligence success in this fight against terrorism. i am interested in the strategic intelligence successes and whether or not we are devoting enough resources and we have the information that we need to strategically go after to this issue, and do we know -- and we have the resources and diverting the r

it said if the dhs reports, this is the gao saying that the dhs report the terrorist threat is higherhan on the southern border, given the large expanse of very would limit law enforcement coverage on page one of the report. however, even with a high risk of terrorist and illegal activity to border patrol, reports quote on the 32 with nearly 4000 northern border miles in fiscal year 2010 reach an acceptable level of security, close quote. i'm wondering if you tell us either today or for the record, secretary napolitano, whether that number of northern border mouse has increased. >> i believe it has. as we've discussed another context, that you support operational control, that phrase is determined by her. we have a northern border strategies. it had to be cleared by omb. it now has come up to update with the full fiscal year statistics so that will be published shortly. the other change that's very significant is what is called beyond the borders strategy that we have with canada, which is a law enforcement information sharing printed or oriented strategy that really didn't exist two

we don't ask the gao would you take a look at this?see the work the group has done and the auditors within opm. >> that is an offer we might want to take advantage of. >> have you had the chance to meet with the folks to understand what their assumptions are? >> i know ever staff has and there has been communication not only with them the the other studies done and we welcome the gao's participation in the sand with the committee staff in helping the committee decide what that fair and equitable standard should be. >> i'm over. let me stop there and say thanks for giving me a few extra seconds and thanks for the response. >> cementer mccaskill. >> we were in the middle of hearing the 167 post office closings being proposed in my state 85% of those are in the counties of less than 50,000 residents. i spent a lot of time in my state going around outside of the urban area the last month i worry that the transparency of the process and the last time you testified before us senator pryor asked the question to my knowledge that question hasn

. >> greta: between us is the gao report from last march, billions of identified waste where we could pick up some cash. the president didn't even mention waste tonight. >> the law that he signed in early august calls for a trillion in spending cuts that's where a lot will come from when the appropriations committee starts to go through different places to cut. i would rather not wait lodge but it is better than not doing -- i would -- i think there's a lot of us would join an impatience caucus. >> greta: thank you sir. michelle bachmann is here. good evening. before we go get to the president's speech since you are on the house intel committee i'm curious if there is anything you can add to the distressing news that there is a credible threat, unconfirmed. >> of course it is very serious. one thing i will say is the intelligence community -- community is on this. the american people should feel confident that the government is doing everything they can to keep them safe. one issue excels all the ref. keeping the american people safe. both democrats and republicans on the same page. h

. >> greta: between us is the gao report from last march, billions of identified waste where we could pick up some cash. the president didn't even mention waste tonight. >> the law that he signed in early august calls for a trillion in spending cuts that's where a lot will come from when the appropriations committee starts to go through different places to cut. i would rather not wait lodge but it is better than not doing -- i would -- i think there's a lot of us would join an impatience caucus. >> greta: thank you sir. michelle bachmann is here. good evening. before we go get to the president's speech since you are on the house intel committee i'm curious if there is anything you can add to the distressing news that there is a credible threat, unconfirmed. >> of course it is very serious. one thing i will say is the intelligence community -- community is on this. the american people should feel confident that the government is doing everything they can to keep them safe. one issue excels all the ref. keeping the american people safe. both democrats and republicans on the same page. h

so essentially, the gao report mentioned concerns about how the department assess risk. and a few three gentlemen have any comment on how we can improve the accuracy of the risk of threat of attack to search in urban areas like metropolitan detroit 10 years later. i people i represent are still at risk of a threat. i want to retype them the best i can. >> there's no way we could get you started to because we don't have the mind of a terrorist. but they have given us two big hands. one is they are going to do as much damage to us as they can. and the second is that they want to have symbolic target. so, every community has to sit down and analyze whether this community is most vulnerable? and they have to prioritize those vulnerabilities. you know your community better than the dhs secretary for the president or anybody else and it is the local community that has to make the analysis of what are the target in my community and are most likely to behave given standards that the terrorists have repeatedly given to us? they want to do >> wherever people gather in large number

why is gao getting cut so much and congress isn't? >> i don't know the answer.e suspicions. i didn't know they are accurate. they are doing the job that the appropriation committee should be doing. they are helping those of us that care about waste, fraud and abuse and duplication in the government that show how many stupid things go on and how many things we are funding that don't have good results. they are helping us do that. who funds that? the prop rages committee. i could be -- the appropriations committee. be payback. there's something wrong with that. it is a professional organization, highly competent, dedicated and want to help fix our country. and the appropriation committee is gutting them. growth one thing for this report, i haven't read it, it is masterful in terms of identifying waste and fraud. i've seen no action on it. now i'm hearing from you, their budget is getting cut. >> there's been some action. we passed a reduction of five billion dollars. then the bill got withdrawn. i offered that same amendment this last week on the fema bill. and 10

so essentially, the gao report mentioned concerns about how the department assess risk. and a few three genemen have any comment on how we can improve the accuracy of the risk of threat of atta to search in urban areas like metropolitan detroit 10 years later. i people i represent are still at risk of a threat. i want to retype them the best i can. >> there's no way we could get you started to because we don't have the mind of a terrorist. but they have given us to big hands. one is they are going to do as much damage to us as they can. and the second is that they want to have symbolic target. so, every community has to sit down and analyze whether this community is most vulnerable? and theyhave to prioritize those vulnerabilities. you know your community beter than the dhs secretary for the president or anybody else and it is the local community that has to make the analysis of what are the target in my community and are most likely to behave given standards that the terrorists have repeatedly given to us? they want to do much damage. so do you protect where people gath

our guest is andrew sherrill of the gao. our next call comes from savannah, georgia, anthony, go ahead. caller: he stated there is very little known about the waste and abuse of this money, this federal money. the study they have done -- he knows little about it. why is it that the first thing i would go after, to find out where this money is being wasted and used, then fine tune the system? the money we have been throwing -- that has been thrown away by the government should be the first thing that you attack. why is it that the study we need to know about first is the thing that we know least about? thank you. guest: you raise an important point. there needs to be greater accountability for the use of funds. we focus on the issue of effectiveness. what we know about how effective these programs are? one thing we did, the department of labor administers many of these programs. in the last year or two, we issued a couple reports, looking at their research agenda. how do they decide what research they are going to do on these

ask you, frank, you've been part of the gao for more than a decade now. have you ever seen anything like this? is this business as usual in d.c., or is there something different here? >> well, we review programs, and we review processes. and it's not unusual to find especially in a new program that as they are setting the program up that some of the processes are -- they're following we find could be improved. and we've found this in the loan guarantee program over the years. they have implemented a number of our recommendations. however, we continue to find every time we look additional areas of concern. jenna: and we look forward to your additional audit that you're going to be doing. we belief those results at the end of this year or early next as to whether or not they followed the recommendations in your 2010 report. frank, it's really a pleasure to have you. thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks very much. pleasure. jon: somebody's got to mind the store, that's for sure. the fighting in libya is still raging in some places. the tiehard loyalis

first of all, i want to thank our colleagues from gao for passing this legislation that addresses one aspect of overtime out of committee. we know that our city's over time issues are complex and we have to tackle it from a number of different angles. i want to thank supervisors campos and farrell not only for voting for this legislation before offering a different legislation that we could vote on. this deals with the fact that employees are allowed to work overtime work a 30% of regularly scheduled hours without getting an exemption from the department of human resources. this equates to about 624 hours of overtime a year. our controller's mid-year over time report showed that by the middle of this fiscal year, there had already been 74 employees who worked over 624 hours. five of these employees had worked over 900 hours of overtime by mid-year period is roughly equates to 80-hour work weeks or two jobs held by one person during the first six months of the year. to address the culture of overtime use and ensure we do not create safety or quality issues, i oppose reducing the allowa

gao report about prescription drugs in this country. the first call is from richard an independent. caller: i am familiar with the drug situation because my childrens foundation deals with it. there are restrictions about buying drugs from overseas where i can ship them out. luckily, i fell into a foundation in amsterdam called iba where i bought all of my drugs now. they're like 20 cents on the dollar. the expiration days are long. you cannot go into most countries unless you have a 01- year expiration date. about half of the drugs that hit the stores here come from overseas. they do not come from china. they come from amsterdam. i am not real familiar with how the drugs are made there. but they have been in business for 30 years. i would like to hear a comment on why our drugs are so cotton picking high here. guest: richard makes two points worth clarifying. one is whether you are talking about the u.s. drug supply we get here locally in our pharmacies or you are sourcing it somewhere else in the world. the actual manufacturing is don

let me ask you, if i can, let me ask friend from gao.ple from seeing quell -- siegel and company drawn into this. hah thank you, mr. levy thank you for coming and very short notice. when i was governor and treasurer of delaware we used siegel and company a lot. great outfit. thank you for that. >> thank you. >> we used hay group a lot it helping a lot of our personnel issues in the state of delaware too. obviously they're one of the other companies along with siegel. so we have, here we have two independent sources, i think both highly regarded, siegel and hay group and we have the inspector general i think from within opm who has a different view of, there has been this overpayment. we have not asked, senator collins, we have not asked gao would you take a look at this. take a look at seeing bell has done. look at work hay group has done. look at work done by auditors in the opm? >> we would be happy to work with the committee and staff on that question. >> that is offer we might want to take advantage of. mr. berry, have you had the op

we don't ask the gao would you take a look at this?ok and see the work the group has done and the auditors within opm. >> that is an offer we might want to take advantage of. >> have you had the chance to meet with the folks to understand what their assumptions are? >> i know ever staff has and there has been communication not only with them the the other studies done and we welcome the gao's participation in the sand with the committee staff in helping the committee decide what that fair and equitable standard should be. >> i'm over. let me stop there and say thanks for giving me a few extra seconds and thanks for the response. >> cementer mccaskill. >> we were in the middle of hearing the 167 post office closings being proposed in my state 85% of those are in the counties of less than 50,000 residents. i spent a lot of time in my state going around outside of the urban area the last month i worry that the transparency of the process and the last time you testified before us senator pryor asked the question to my knowledge that questi

with the general accounting office, most notably under the clarence reform and where i believe the gao performed a very useful service by keeping after us and keeping us honest on sustaining the momentum and the pressure to bring about clarence reform which is still ongoing -- earanceg about claren reform. i would suggest we watch how this unfolds and see what comes up in a way of studies and investigations the gao wants to do. i pledge to them that we will cooperate. >> thank you. director petraeus, with that tremendous technical successes in this fight against terrorism. i'm interested in the strategic successes and whether or not we're devoting enough resources and we have the information that we need to strategically go after this issue. do we know and do have the resources to fully understand the root causes, the motivations, and the goals of the folks who are trying to do less harm? if not, what do we need to be doing differently? i think it is an important part of the overall fight against terrorism. >> that is a hugely important part. the tactical level successes have been impo

gao report about prescription drugs in this country.the first call is from richard, an independent. caller: i am familiar with the drug situation because my childrens foundation deals with it. there are restrictions about buying drugs from overseas where i can ship them out. luckily, i fell into a foundation in amsterdam called iba where i bought all of my drugs now. they're like 20 cents on the dollar. the expiration days are long. you cannot go into most countries unless you have a 01- year expiration date. about half of the drugs that hit the stores here come from overseas. they do not come from china. they come from amsterdam. i am not real familiar with how the drugs are made there. but they have been in business for 30 years. i would like to hear a comment on why our drugs are so cotton picking high here. guest: richard makes two points worth clarifying. one is whether you are talking about the u.s. drug supply we get here locally in our pharmacies or you are sourcing it somewhere else in the world. the actual manufacturing is don

but oftentimes in these things after gao and omb specifically said this is not a good deal, to have thehouse go ahead i think somebody should be responsible and should step up to the plate and say i made the mistake and they should be fired. jenna: if you find of some sort of improper relationship between the president and the money given out here would you ask for his resignation? is that what you're saying here? >> i'm thinking the president should address this and be clear. we had to subpoena this information from omb and including solyndra, finally we got it. i might point out that the democrats did not cooperate, they all voted against the subpoena. we are now trying to get the executives from solyndra to come. they said they can't make it tomorrow. they said they are going to come next week. we'll see. we have a subpoena for their attendance if they don't show. the bottom line is there is a lot of concern that this whole $60 billion of taxpayers guarantee is all for not, that is the big issue, why are we doing this and where is the money. jenna: congressman stearns important quest

most notably, as you elude it to in the clearance reform and where i believe the gao performed a veryuseful service by keeping after last and keeping us honest sustaining the amendment and the pressure to bring about clarence reform which is still ongoing. there is a case we have made huge head ways and progress but there's more to be done. so in answer to your question, i would -- since the directive is only about two months old, i would suggest we watch how this unfolds and see what comes up in the way of the studies and investigations the gao wants to do, and i've pledged to them privately and i will publicly that we will cooperate to the maximum extent possible. >> thank you. director petraeus and colleagues that outlined them and i think that you did also. we have tremendous tactical intelligence success in this fight against terrorism. i am interested in the strategic intelligence successes and whether or not we are devoting enough resources and we have the information that we need to strategically go after to this issue, and do we know -- and we have the resources and diverting

the senate and gao under dodd-frank requires the cfpb to review orders within five years of enaboutment to address the rule's effectiveness. is your understanding somewhere of that of the whole process of accountability and statutory requirements you'd face as directer, and i'll ask other questions with an answer regimely if you would to the private party of an opportunity to challenge, that one of your regulations in court, what recourse only does the president have? can the president remove a run away director because he or she is unhappy with the directer's ideology or direction or rule making or whatever, and are these checks similar to those that apply to other agencies? i'd like you to spell that out for us, general. >> all right. that was several questions, senator. i'll do my best to address them. first of all, with any independent agency, the leadership of the consumer bureau like every other agency is not subject to direct removal by the president as are cabinet departments. my understanding is congress sets up agencies in ma matter to keep agencies close to congress. our job

most notably, as you elude it to in the clearance reform and where i believe the gao performed a veryuseful service by keeping after last and keeping us honest sustaining the amendment and the pressure to bring about clarence reform which is still ongoing. there is a case we have made huge head ways and progress but there's more to be done. so in answer to your question, i would -- since the directive is only about two months old, i would suggest we watch how this unfolds and see what comes up in the way of the studies and investigations the gao wants to do, and i've pledged to them privately and i will publicly that we will cooperate to the maximum extent possible. >> thank you. director petraeus and colleagues that outlined them and i think that you did also. we have tremendous tactical intelligence success in this fight against terrorism. i am interested in the strategic intelligence successes and whether or not we are devoting enough resources and we have the information that we need to strategically go after to this issue, and do we know -- and we have the resources and diverting

the gao found that 48% of schools that had a high degree of children in poverty, when asked whether their school met functional requirements for laboratory science -- the choices were yes, partially, or not at all -- 48% answered not at all. it is a terrible thing. we all go to conferences here and talk about the importance of science and talk about having a stronger work force and in half of our schools with lower income students, they do not have adequate science lab facilities. that is an outrage. that should be an outrage economically and morally. this would give a school district the capacity to take that on, to take on having integrity class but, to find ways to save money with more energy efficient modernization and modifications. the second point i would make is that there is nothing in it in the deficient or pro spending cuts to allow ongoing deferred maintenance. in your home, if you decide to cut back, as i have not come on my nfl direct television access, i will save money. i will not get to see the detroit lions play. you would save money. it you simply do not fix a broken wi

for 2010 gao estimated improper payments at over $125 billion. medicare, medicaid, an unemployment insurance ranks one, two, and three in total improper payments. the bottom line is if you had $100 billion as the president says in overpayments each year over decade, that is $1 trillion. it is an area we need to address, and since it does not involve cuts in benefits or fundamental reform up programs, which i happen to think we should do, but i am trying to stay on areas where we can reach consensus, we will need help in scoring how to approach this. my first question i should ask is, do you agree whether with the specific numbers are not that there is a significant amount of inappropriate payments for some of the programs i have mentioned? >> i agree with that. there's a difference between improper payments and fraud, fraud involving legal issues. some improper payments are to people -- if they've -- if the forms were filled out properly, payments would still be made. people should understand when they see bees largest numbers for improper paymen

on the norther border, some of the issues that have been addressed, the gao in february reported thathe serious security threats to the northern border and the risk of terrorisc could be as high. it said if the dhs reports, this is the gao saying that the dhs report the terrorist threat is higher than on the southern border, given thelarge expanse of very would limit law enforcement coverage on page one of the report. however, even with a high risk of terrorist and illegal activity to border patrol, reports quote on the 32 with nearly 4000 northern border miles in fiscal ear 2010 reach an acceptable level of security, close quote. i'm wondering if you tell us either today or for the record, secretary napolitano, whether that number of northern border mouse has increased. >> i believe it has. as we've discussed another context, that ou support operational control, that phrase is determined by her. we have a northern border strategies. it had to be cleared by omb. it now has come up to update withhe full fiscal year statistics so that will be published shortly. the other change that's v

it said if the dhs reports, this is the gao saying that the dhs report the terrorist threat is higherhan on the southern border, given the large expanse of very would limit law enforcement coverage on page one of the report. however, even with a high risk of terrorist and illegal activity to border patrol, reports quote on the 32 with nearly 4000 northern border miles in fiscal year 2010 reach an acceptable level of security, close quote. i'm wondering if you tell us either today or for the record, secretary napolitano, whether that number of northern border mouse has increased. >> i believe it has. as we've discussed another context, that you support operational control, that phrase is determined by her. we have a northern border strategies. it had to be cleared by omb. it now has come up to update with the full fiscal year statistics so that will be published shortly. the other change that's very significant is what is called beyond the borders strategy that we have with canada, which is a law enforcement information sharing printed or oriented strategy that really didn't exist two

reports now that are getting more specific about the white house iluding a program director at the gao, government accountability office, saying this whole thing was alarming, the loan given by the energy department that were rushed through and saying the energy department senior staff saying that there was intense pressure from top obama administration officials to rush stimulus spending out the door. >> reporter: that has been the biggest fallout for the administration so far, is rushing stimulus money out the door, exactly as you put it. but we should point out there has not been evidence, underline not been evidence of any political malfeasance. at the beginning of this, there had been questions raised, and they're still out there, about whether george kaiser who's raised money for this president, was a chief investor of this company, whether he got some political favor for this to go through. there has been no evidence from all the hundreds of pages of documents suggestinghere was political mall sans, but there are suggestion that is the administration was trying to rush money out