been working with very carefully and he has been sort of the architect an overseer of the siege of gaza from the egyptian side but it's unlikely that a new government in egypt whatever that government is will be able to ignore the will of the egyptian people in the way that previous governments have particularly visa vi the israeli palestinian conflict and the past egyptian governments have occasionally opened up release valves for the for the the discontent of the egyptian people but given what we've seen over the past. almost two weeks now in cairo those sorts of tactics will never work again in public opinion in egypt and for that matter the rest of the world will have to play a much greater role in the decision making an ample i'm glad you're going down there that's exactly the question i want to ask joel here i mean this is an interesting precedent here because if you have egypt is the lynchpin of american foreign policy in many ways at least for the arab world in dealing with the region . depending on what happens in egypt i mean we'll have people hopefully that will actually have

because of, run by hamas, exist in a state of war with israel -- gaza. israel and forces district blockade. to me, it looks like a siege. the economy of gaza has collapsed. levels of poverty, malnutrition, and unemployment are falling. i visit the hospital supported by save the children. the israelis say they allow essential supplies through, but still, this is a center for malnutrition. i'm able to talk freely with the mothers and doctors. >> we are fighting anemia, rickets, malnutrition. >> at the school in gaza city, it is only too clear that the children remember vividly what happened when the israelis attacked. they saw relatives died. they cowered in their houses. they hate what the israeli soldiers have done. this will be the real test. what do the children of god as a feel about peace -- what did the children of gaza feel about peace? what do you feel about israeli children? >> it is the israelis during the blockade. they want rights for the children, but they do not want palestinian children to have rights. >> if you had israeli children here an

in international law you're not allowed to punish civilian populations no nothing that's made in gaza can be exported according to the israelis and they don't let in very much in the way of materiel the airport has been bombed and closed in gaza the port can't operate even fishermen are bothered off the coast by the israelis so this blockade of a million and a half people which is anyway illegal and it is a humanitarian disaster it is made possible in part by the support of the united states by the support of the european union tacitly for israeli policy and by egypt. and there is actually a hard line of the borders of gaza again i'd like to go to susan real quick here susan let's take virtue from the sense city here and i mention the palestine papers i mean if we have a new egyptian government that does one seriously a peace process because mubarak was basically was they did what the the israelis wanted suleyman said he would cleanse all of the palestinians from from sinai i mean. saying is if we get a truly democratic egypt it could actually be a more honest peace broker in the regi

in gaza.henever he draws pictures, mahmoud portrays the same scene. people bleeding. planes in action. and other firing weapons. in december 2008 the israeli army attacked the gaza strip. for three weeks the military struck with bombs and bullets. to this day mahmoud suffers emotional trauma from the attacks. his father, imad koheil, counsels people with emotional problems at a clinic in gaza. >> translator: my son changed after the attacks. he became violent and unsettled. he can't concentrate on anything. ♪ >> reporter: looking for a way to help his son overcome his suffering, koheil decided to have his son learn music. koheil chose the kanun. by spending so much time with music, mahmoud is gradually recovering. at a local competition he won first prize. he's even started to smile again. >> translator: i was so happy to win. i want to win next year, too. >> reporter: but mahmoud is just one of many children who need healing. koheil helps these children and their parents. ever since the attac

in fact the siege of gaza. that is and is a violation of international law and various international bodies have asked and demanded the break of that siege however our focus right now should not be with us worrying about the future concerns of israel and israel's security needs it should be the right and the demands of eighty four million egyptians many of them who have been to the streets demanding social justice demanding freedom to my demanding human rights once they have and a democratically elected government that government has a right to take whatever policies that are a consistent with the demands and consensus of the people and be that is consistent with the regional policies that the new government in egypt would like to see it acted and i think that's should be the focus right now as opposed to all these obsessions and worries of israel in regarding the future of the egyptian government israel do you want to respond whoever whoever said. rumsey that democracy whoever said that democracy is to make si

the media in in gaza i don't think much more the boss is very. happy about that situation in fact it's probably broken up a future palestinian state into two small statelets one in gaza. we can call the calmest on and the one in what i called you do in and scenario which would probably be fucked up the land but that's their democracy i would prefer as i asked before is there any other country in the middle east where jews who have been residents are worried. we're members of the parliament the very very few if at all in israel we have a very strong democracy with arabs voting in our has been elected members do you know you're done and you're good. you're done you are good. i'm good i was doing before you know it seems to me this is not seems to me this is really. crazy to me really see any. reason to see. these gentlemen gentlemen please come on please. if i could think is there talking now if i could just say some co-head please it just seems to me it just seems to me that israel is largely focused here on cliches. whatever that may be the reali

still to come for you -- portrait of gaza. ed meet the award winning german photographer who has documented the israeli-palestinian conflict for over two decades. first though, indonesia's's president has condemned the burning of two churches in central java. they were attacked not long after a christian man was sale -- was sentenced to five years in jail for deliberately insulting islam. >> muslim protesters attacked a courthouse after the verdict was read. a christian man was given a jail sentence for spreading hatred about islam. some said he should have received in the death penalty instead. two churches was set on fire. -- were set on fire. a video of the attack over the weekend circulated on the internet. these men stormed the house, calling the people inside nonbelievers. these people are considered islamic deviance. the police are outnumbered. the rest of the footage is too graphic to show. human rights groups say the city approves the police did little to prevent the death. the indonesian president has called for a fu

people in gaza are troubled by the latest events. >> it is unfortunate. we had hoped for a peaceful transition, that egypt and the egyptians would not have to go through this. it is a difficult situation, and it affects the palestinians too, because we have such close ties to egypt. now the border is closed to egypt as well as israel. >> this is one of the last gateways to the rest of the world. now it is closed too, and no one knows when it might reopen. >> back to the euro's down. -- eurozone.. >> as you mentioned, angela merkel met with the spanish prime minister. they have been talking money and politics. the european debt crisis is high on the agenda. they hope to raise 3.5 billion euro on the bond market. they still face many challenges, with a huge deficit and 20% unemployment. but angela merkel says she is impressed with reforms. >> there was a show of unity from the two leaders added -- ahead of the european summit. a deal is aimed at boosting competitiveness. >>spain has never really done its hallmark. i think spain is on that -- spain has a now

the gaza strip is now prison if you want to look at it this way. there is a very bleak future for people living there. they hope for a change as well. >> assuming that mubarak does leave -- he has been a stabilizer in the peace process. what effect will his removal have? >> there will be a rough road ahead for the israelis. a new government, any new government, will not be such a staunch, unconditional friend of israel. we will hear more different than it did tons from within a new at egyptian -- more differentiated tones from within a new egyptian government. >> after 30 years in power, president hosni mubarak is under intense pressure to step down. protests are under way throughout egypt, demanding change. it is the eighth day of protests against the regime, and the biggest so far. we will be right back after a short break. >> welcome back. suppose the egyptian president does resign or leave the country? suppose the government collapses? ku will -- who will take political power? many believe it will be the muslim brotherhood. the group has been k

egypt has suffered from terrorism emanating from gaza into the sinai peninsula, and that is going to be watched carefully in the period ahead, as well as maintaining their security relationship. >> you are now teaching at princeton, and i want to now ask you about a question about youth and maybe youthful engagement at the epicenter of this. you are engaging young people every day. i have been reading a lot the last few days about the role or lack there of that social media played in this uprising. talk to me about what your sense is of the role that young people have played or are playing in this particular uprising? >> well, i think this is one of the most interesting fen that of the past two weeks. you basically had a political and economic system that had become terribly strat fade. a lot of elderly people had remained in positions of power and influence, and there wasn't the kind of room for the kind of upward mobility in that system that we are used to here through merit, promotions and so forth. so through the economic, political and other dislocations, you had this very strat

the wounds of gaza are still with us. how do we move forward? they did outreach to the arab countries, did other interviews, and tried to convince the arabs to join taking for granted that the israelis would be on board. at this point, i don't know if there's a net gain in going to israel or a net loss on the arab side. >> host: they could be surprised with settlements. >> guest: it's polarized. it's difficult. i'm not advising him. >> host: what's the next move? >> guest: i think they should be tougher. there's no loss to putting more pressure on him and sending a message of absolute displeasure. only the possibility that, and i think that in israel, the israelis do not want to risk forfeiting the american friendship, and -- >> host: but that's not going to happen. >> guest: well, we really weren't as tough as you think we were. when i heard secretary clinton say an insult to the united states of america over the jerusalem settlement or sternly scold them not one billing, not one stone, the first time, they were pretty tough. there's been a me

if we look for islamist regimes with a strong front of political islam, apart from gaza and sudan, you might look to taliban rule in pakistan and if yes stand within the tribal areas or portions -- pakistan and afghanistan within the tribal areas or portions of nigeria. or they a activities in orl-

the operation cast lead attack on gaza flotilla raid so all this is our work in. providing liable reports for the human rights council the general assembly and the security council to take action so mary poway the un high commissioner for human rights spotlighted will be back shortly we'll continue this interview in leftover minutes and see where your agenda. this history still keeps it seeks but now it's time to feel. the soviet keaton's whose job likely to seek. the truth is that so much if anything you should be sufficiently minute to mark life as protesting people's power and reach across the arab middle east there are those who say the man's political establishment is next in line to be toppled. welcome back to spotlight i'm now going off and just a reminder that my guest on the show today is navvy pillay the un high commissioner for human rights not russia is proposing to send a un security council mission to the middle east to save the peace process blocked by israel's settlements policy and their activity do you believe this mission is long overdue and wil

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the operation cast lead attack on gaza flotilla raid so all this is our work in. providing liable reports for the human rights council the general assembly and the security council to take action so mary poway the un high commissioner for human rights spotlighted will be back shortly we'll continue to for interview in left by the minutes and see where your agenda. please. her. mother her. mother. her. this history still keeps it seeks. to feel. the soviets the key to. this. welcome back to spotlight i'm now going to have been just a reminder that my guest on the show today is now the pillay the u.n. high commissioner for human rights. now that russia is proposing to send a u.n. security council mission to the middle east to save the peace process blocked by israel settlements policy and their activity do you believe this mission is long overdue and would be helpful what's your opinion. well in my meeting with president medvedev i urged him to play a role in the middle east because i have just come from there and i have heard from people from palestinians in will i

good history in allowing democratic processes that they don't like to proceed look what they did in gaza and in the west bank where there were elections they didn't like who got elected so they punish the people by putting them under siege immediately for engaging in their democratic rights we have to ensure that it doesn't happen in egypt all right thank you we'll have to leave it there phyllis bennis from the new internationalism project thank you here in the us president medvedev has slammed investigators for earlier announcing that last week's moscow airport bombing in which thirty six people died was solved before a suspect had even been brought to court russian leader said it was unacceptable to claim success before the legal process was complete adding that the terrorists need to be hunted down ruthlessly quote so the earth burns under their feet or he's a catarina grouch of a house more. latest has been the federal security service says they know and also me the name of the pup the cradle of the attack at the airport but they also know the names of the must a mind soul be it's ti

but yet another 25% of all israeli citizen first graders, we're not taking about the west bank or gaza 25% of israelis, are christian, muslim palestinians. the next generation we see is heading towards a demographic cliff that is very dangerous politically, so now is the time for a two-state solution and i think benny is right that even people like this see this theoretically and barack recently made a statement that's very dramatic on that speaking to the demographic issue, but again we -- everyone seems to know what should happen, but it's not happening. >> another question? >> what about -- [inaudible] >> sorry? >> what about the building? suspect that going to lead to -- isn't that going to lead to two-states where they are creating certain towns or drawing certain lines? >> a road they're building? >> connecting the palestinian communities. no? >> well, i don't -- there are roads being built in the west bank, but they are roads that only israelis can use that circle -- >> connect certain palestinians places where they sort of develop in talking about the two-state solution. >> oh,

whatever reason, without getting into the reasons whether it was gaza or anything else. just the fact they have appeared. >> you are quite right. the israeli left has imploded. peace now is psychologically depressed. it's still active. i think most obscurered degree it happened because it was violent and indiscriminate. in terms of the suicidal attacked. it changes benny morris' mind. he was a two-state solution. >> benny morris wrote about this question in, "tablet" magazine where i work. he argued while there was implosion on the official peace movement, the fact that the figure like binyamin netanyahu embraces the two-state solution proves the success of the israeli peace movement. the -- their fundamental arguments have been absorbed by the bulk of the israeli public. >> right. and yet as the gentleman points out, politically, the peace now movement seems deflated at right -- at best. to answer briefly, how could i have any hope that the plan might be approved of even by a slim majority? well, i think most israeli are still, you know, while they are depressed and pes

people in gaza are troubled by the latest events. >> it is unfortunate. we had hoped for a peaceful transition, that egypt and the egyptians would not have to go through this. it is a difficult situation, and it affects the palestinians too, because we have such close ties to egypt. now the border is closed to egypt as well as israel. >> this is one of the last gateways to the rest of the world. now it is closed too, and no one knows when it might reopen. >> back to the euro's down. -- eurozone. >> as you mentioned, angela merkel met with the spanish prime minister. they have been talking money and politics. the european debt crisis is high on the agenda. they hope to raise 3.5 billion euro on the bond market. they still face many challenges, with a huge deficit and 20% unemployment. but angela merkel says she is impressed with reforms. >> there was a show of unity from the two leaders added -- ahead of the european summit. a deal is aimed at boosting competitiveness. >> spain has never really done its hallmark. i think spain is on that -- spain has a now

and the last -- [everyone talking at once] >> last democratic vote we saw in the middle east was gaza, hamas won with 70% of the vote. >> what's the biggest democracy in the middle east is turkey. >> right. >> where have they gone? they used to be pro-american, pro-israel and anti-islamic. they're moving pro-islamic, anti-american. >> right on. >> that's -- no, turkey is the best model you're going to get. >> question, how long will it be before tourism returns to normal? we can see it the pyramids else those-ly silly camels. give me the day, month and year when tourists will be welcome in egypt. >> when you got a functioning democratic -- >> when is that? >> i don't know, john. i have no idea. >> you want to -- guess. >> i say not this year. >> i think if -- get a military regime you can get -- >> i have friends going to egypt next week. they're eager for tourists. and they can't wait until they have a functioning regime after elections are held six months. >> you think they'll be back to normal. >> no, i'm not going for say normal, but there are tours that will be going into egypt.

the gaza strip is now prison if you want to look at it this way. there is a very bleak future for people living there. they hope for a change as well. >> assuming that mubarak does leave -- he has been a stabilizer in the peace process. what effect will his removal have? >> there will be a rough road ahead for the israelis. a new government, any new government, will not be such a staunch, unconditional friend of israel. we will hear more different than it did tons from within a new at egyptian -- more differentiated tones from within a new egyptian government. >> after 30 years in power, president hosni mubarak is under intense pressure to step down. protests are under way throughout egypt, demanding change. it is the eighth day of protests against the regime, and the biggest so far. we will be right back after a short break. >> welcome back. suppose the egyptian president does resign or leave the country? suppose the government collapses? ku will -- who will take political power? many believe it will be the muslim brotherhood. the group has been k

and i was there on a humanitarian aid mission to help the people in gaza in order for us to get to gaza we had to jump through so much bureaucracy and we began to understand that not only did egypt's government what was it controlled by bureaucratic politicians in egypt but israel has a huge stake in making sure that the state of egypt was the way that it was maintained. and that is definitely the situation in the streets look at what we have inside the united states we have young african black and brown subjects community colonial subject being sat down in the street in an obsessive kind of way fifty shots sixty shots laying on our stomach in our back as we run or as we walk or flee in retreat from the scene this is an abuse of power which is a powder keg upon which we sit in on and we've discussed our already the jobless rate we've discussed already the idea that there's a crisis even in the ideology of america and who would be the next to lead so there isn't a competition about that happening as well and people are are charged people are charged and are waiting to jump into action i

that's the same percentage we were told hamas would get in gaza. guess what? they got 70% of the vote. tread very carefully here. >> threat me clear this up before we go. who is in still in charge? >> omar suleiman >> egyptians are not ready for democracy. the culture of democracy is -- >> still the vice president, okay? [audio not understandable] >> is the army running is it? >> it's certainly a combination of the army and suleiman. suleiman and after all heads up all their secret police, all their intelligence operations. it's been a key figure in israel -- excuse me, in egypt -- >> have the c.i.a. over there. >> yes, but much broader than. that the c.i.a. does not operate domestically in the united states. it does that kind of intelligence service does operate domestically in egypt. and he was a key player and the one that as you saw, that mubarak had confidence in, and frankly so does the military. he is a very shrewd, very tough- minded guy, and we'll see what happens. nobody knows what happened with the military. it's clear that he is not that far away f

and i was there on a humanitarian aid mission to help the people in gaza in order for us to get to gaza we had to jump through so much bureaucracy and we began to understand that not only did egypt's government what was it controlled by bureaucratic politicians in egypt but is real a huge stake in making sure that the state of egypt was the way that it was maintained. and that is definitely the situation in the streets look at what we have inside the united states we have young african black and brown subjects community colonial subject being sat down in the street and an obsessive kind of way and you have a song called know your enemy who is the main enemy of the common american people a main enemy is ignorance not a proper political education this is the enemy of our people because once we can understand diagnosed. what we are living under all human beings who recognize that me and you have human rights will fight for the rights of human beings. the way we are being governmental treats a good sector of our people less than human and the enemy out of this particular time that we're in

they may not get that money what will change is the inclusion of egypt in israel's effort to isolate gaza i think we will see very quickly with any new government if it wants to maintain the credibility of its people and and to egyptian collaboration with israel in the siege of gaza where you are with aunty it's good to have your company today and coming away in just under twenty minutes time it's the latest edition of crosstalk that people of l. and his guests discuss in detail of the turmoil in egypt could affect the entire middle east. and. the u.s. congress is debating plans to renew the patriot act adopted during the bush era following the nine eleven attacks and allows law enforcement agencies to search telephone and e-mail records of terror suspects and while lawmakers insist the aim is to defend the public when he said the cost to civil liberties is just too high. to count as more. major provisions of the patriot act about to expire are due to be extended by lawmakers brought in by the bush administration as an emergency anti terror measure the act gives sweeping powers to the sor