>> i would refer you to a secretary geithener spoke in detail about this. we do have specific or postal spirit >> when it came to entitlements he said there were principles. >> there are specifics in the proposals, far more from the other side. in the house republican budget, we saw nothing like the specificity. we saw undocumented savings come unspecified savings over 10 years, after which medicare would end as we know it and additional savings at how pay for tax cuts. the presidentpurposely planned health care entitlements in the first 10 years exceed the savings put forward by the paul simpson commission. the norstar if you wrote this process. i refer you to the document for more details. we have been specific. we understand republicans won't -- maybe they want different kinds of cuts. maybe they want additional cuts. the president has made clear he will entertain others' ideas. we need to see what they are. we can't pass on their behalf what republicans want out of this process. they need to put forward ideas as we put forward ours. >> they feel the adm