speech about his guests discuss george bush's war on terror has changed during obama's presidency crosstalk is up next here on out. and if. you want to. follow in welcome to cross talk i'm peter lavelle the nine eleven decade what has been accomplished what has been lost as america's so-called war on terror made the us in the world a safer place and one of the huge costs and loss of innocent life has it all been worth it. crosstalk america's war on terror i'm joined by david ignatius in washington he's a journalist and author in rochester we have john miller he is a professor at ohio state university and in london we crossed the n.s.a. to critique he is c.e.o. of the cordoba foundation all right gentlemen this is crosstalk that means you can jump in anytime you want and it's i very much encourage it but first let's take a look at some of the questions facing america on this anniversary. this year marks a decade since al qaeda september eleventh attacks on the united states as america and the rest of the world commemorate the day it is the decade of the events that followed which poses the h

well i think george bush is a pretty easy whipping boy he's no longer president barack obama faced with a difficult strategic decision about whether to abandon him or barak would been a loyal and useful while life united states decided that it was appropriate to abandon him that the egyptian people wanted change and that any american effort to resist that would be inappropriate he got strenuous arguments from close u.s. allies from israel from saudi arabia saying for goodness sakes what he doing just don't do that and he went ahead because he thought it was the right policy so i think you need to be a little bit careful about about about the way you're setting up the question here our conversation in general reminds me of something we all know which is that the use the famous line of character guards history is best understood backwards but has to be lived forwards in other words. in the immediate aftermath of two thousand and one which a loss as this reminded us was a moment of hope and salivation nobody really knew what was what was happening and the it is clear now that the informati

david thank you george bush he pushed his war on terror and it's become very much part of the american political and military establishment is that the war on terror was a part a another way of promoting democracy we could have a different discussion about it can you invade a country and force democracy out of that's that's one thing but i think the arab spring or the arab awakening release says a lot because you don't need outsiders to invade your country to get rid of dictators if what the west would stop to promoting dictatorship dictators in that part of the world people will rise up and they will have their own democracy and so this whole effort of democratization really the people on the ground pour cold water on what george bush and and others tried to do. well i think george bush is a pretty easy whipping boy he's no longer president barack obama faced with a difficult strategic decision about whether to abandon to mubarak had been a loyal and useful ally for united states decided that it was appropriate to abandon him that the egyptian people want to change and that any americ

eleven has involved a vast effort to root out transnational extremism and chip would president george bush famously coined the war on terror our war on terror. begins with our crowd. but it does not end there it will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found stopped and defeated a decade later the system set up to keep america safe involves more than one thousand government organizations and nearly two thousand private companies specializing in counterterrorism across the united states and this comes with a number will the price tag eighty billion dollars spent in total intelligence gathering last year alone and over one trillion dollars spent so far on the wars in iraq afghanistan and other war on terror operations given the staggering financial costs in america steadily declining economic power all this makes the ultimate question has the u.s. achieved the goals that it sought the war on terror has the ability to allow the u.s. to carry out military operations that since two thousand and one have taken the lives of more than a million civilians. in iraq and afgha

george w. bush, and president obama on here, how will you find that same evidence? two governors, one a senator for a couple of years, and then a state legislature as well. glg it's trickier without the long paper trail. these three made it easy for me because they wrote lots of stuff down, a lot of letters. this was not the age of e-mail. first, i'd look at the e-mails, assuming we can get a hold of it. i do think you have to take seriously what they say even though they don't necessarily have a lot of experience. we have, for example, bill clinton, really challenging george hw bush in the campaign for coddling dictators and so forth, and there's a lot of evidence of differences between the two of them. for example, policy in somalia, george hw bush is reluctant to do anything in 1993. when he goes in, it's limited. we feed the people and don't get involved in local politics. when bill clinton comes in, the effort is expanded to include nation building. i do think you can see some patterns there. g

the "new york times" on the eve of george w. bush'said saddam hussein, weapons of mass destruction were his greatest threat. the greatest foreign policy threat to george w. bush on the eve of his inauguration was saddam hussein. and suddenly george w. bush decides to go into iraq and suddenly, side switch. and that is the sickness that is washington, d.c. the very democrats and newspapers that supported regime change, when a democrat was in power changed when a republican was in power. that is the sickness of washington politics. and on that point -- >> i'll agree. we agree on that point. absolutely agree. >> i want to talk about education when we come back. don't you, mika? >> i do. >> because you know what? i want to bury the past ten years. we've got to start planning for the next ten years. china certainly is. >> all right. up next, chuck todd joins us live from the white house. stay right here. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. wanna know the difference between a trader and an elite trader? no? change the channel.

charlie we ask a former george w. bush administration official for he's views on a fallout from nine eleven that's after be capped off this week's top stories in just a few minutes. welcome back you're watching our t.v. line from moscow today's news in this week's top stories the u.s. commemorates its worst terrorist attack the divide of the world the nine eleven assault ten years ago prompted america to launch a policing mission that many experts claim has made the globe more dangerous. rush of bids farewell to the players of the top national ice hockey team who perished in a plane crash the jets went down shortly after taking off jaroslava region killing forty three people on board. and moscow is to stand a fact finding mission to syria to get firsthand information about the crisis there this as russia's president medvedev refuses to take sides in the conflict saying talks are the only way to peace. the decade to follow the nine eleven attack was marked by wars waged under the flag of ridding the world from terrorists la

oil and it's a little bit of bringing peace and democracy and freedom to the middle east if it's george bush it's who i fear the nexus between our qaida and baghdad which cheney had convinced i'm sure george tenet had convinced him of it george tenet didn't think there was that big a nexus. with dick cheney i think it was all over iraq right now is sitting on probably two hundred billion barrels maybe three hundred billion barrels that's a reaction on all the pork that surpasses the. how do you read that if iraq is sitting on three hundred billion barrels of oil if that turns out to be true it will be more than saudi arabia now you know why dick cheney went to war in iraq it also was the low hanging fruit in north korea it was far more dangerous but too difficult one hundred thousand casualties were predicted by the pentagon on both sides so would be destroyed iran was too difficult seventy million people not fractured like the iraqis and the sunni and shia christian and other so the low hanging fruit was a rock just use that moment in the wake of nine eleven they use the moment in the in th

george w. bush, bill clinton, we have george bush. i tell my students, the two bookends. the war purchaser and all that brings to mind. what he did not inhale. and we have the ten civil war presidents. maybe eight. al generation got the two bookends. a baby boomer. the tail end. >> alvin felzenberg, in your rating system you rate him in number 26. some of the presidents are tied to a loss of rage and not exactly. but he gets ready number 26. to for character. he gets for for preserving and takes the ending. >> first of all, let me tell you , harding is always rated next-to-last. when you get that early polls sent up to historians harding is at the bottom. watergate is good for them. but i went back and looked at mr. harding's record. extraordinary record. he was very much in favor. he got it through the house. he could not get it passed the senate filibuster. he then went down to alabama and gave the startling address. an audience with african american listeners, and then you have all of a dazzling

bush doing that. i heard stories about others. >> one incompetence for george w. bush. >> for the best of motive, no one can say that iraq was going well when he left office. we had seven years of not so wonderful economic growth. then we had the crash at the end and you know, you have to say he was in office for some time, and then this whole ownership society where we're going to entice the government to loan money to people who can't afford it and probably shouldn't own their home but he gave many speeches this is his ownership society and if you looking they were lending to people who couldn't afford to pay them back and we are hearing about ips i think ten to 12% down, maybe 20% down with my home, i can't remember back that far, but the idea of the 5% or 2%, nothing down? no response of the and this was the government policy this started in the clinton era the saloon and andrew craughwell but when this came about. spec finally al felzenberg, one more president want to ask about from the leaders we deserve in the future it didn't, tied with george bush, jimmy c

postcode george w. bush you have in this book. this book came out obviously just very recently, that you have him trained, tied with jimmy carter. george w. bush, three and carried her. why? >> guest: well, now maybe his papers come out in bbs beginning to his bio, we will see a little more. the family saga, i won't call it tallis, but who's going to carry the father's mantle? by doesn't he want to be president? this is all very unclear. i take him at his word that he became a new person after his authority in the crisis at this time. they also taken at his word that he left lost out on a lot, when he was going and going other places. and his reason for seeking the president be, we need to know more about. now i say he gets a couple of incompletes. we still don't know how afghanistan is going to turn out. we still know how iraq is going to turn out. i do give him credit for his stay at the american enterprise association. maggie thatcher was ray. this was a nation formed an idea that all people are created equal in the eyes of each

bush george bush president obama's new article ended on bush i would blame government. it's an old fashioned finger pointing game but as they get saying goes point one finger and you've got four more pointing back atcha so is the blame game heats up and mainstream media continues to ignore important headlines we'll take a look at what it all means for the global economy. and what is the right answer to fix the economy how about restructuring society entirely one man's vision includes just that we'll take a look at the sight guys movement by speaking with its founder peter joseph. good evening it's wednesday september fourteenth five pm here in washington d.c. i'm lauren lyster and you're watching r.t. well moody's the ratings agency cut the ratings for two large french banks that are saddled with greek debt says greece nears default and its leaders talk with germany and france about rescue meanwhile china says it's willing to help to support europe and buy ballance from nations facing a debt. crisis and it's actually not just china together the brics the developing nati

if he were george bush ii he would have an easier time getting the republicans than he does. the fact that obama ran on a campaign pledge of getting beyond partisan politics, this is the most partisan atmosphere i have seen in a while. however you want to characterize obama at least domestically, internationally he did continue many things george bush did but characterized -- very hard to characterize as. ii. i take the point that as you noted earlier that there have been serious criticisms of george bush as well and any number of people had made a very derogatory comments about him. it does seem to have risen to a level under obama and he has been subjected to a level of disrespect that is new. but again we are also seeing the political process that has descended to the depth in the last few years and maybe that is not surprising and some of it probably has to do with race and a lot has to do with politics sinking to a new low in our era. >> host: good afternoon digit the rights. have you ever been confronted with what you consider the glass ceiling? >> guest: never confront

bush. is that a good thing? well, it depends how you see george w. bush.k it is not. >> is the fact that he could be more conservative be a problem? would that mean little crossover appeal or not? >> no. first let me say, he is not george bush 2.0. he is maybe stylistically george bush 2.0 as wayne suggested. all i heard were style issues from wayne right there. meaning, yeah, he's boots and swagger and twang but the truth is that's going to help. nation likes all that texas stuff -- which you got three texans on the panel. >> a longhorn. >> the nation sees that and sees leadership. that's going to help. as far as the moderate thing, that's a false distinction. the distinction is between smart substantive republicans and i'm not worry that rick perry is too conservative, i'm worried about him threatening to beat up ben bernanke. >> am i shocked a longhorn just spewed that nonsense? first and foremost, to sit here and suggest that the image doesn't matter and people like it, yes, voters do like confident politicians. but also you remember eight years of pre

official in george w. bush administration told us he that america things it holds and then challenge both place in the world and abuses that power is no longer. i. after nine eleven america did not just go after those who perpetrated that tragic vicious attack it only campaigned on nations that had nothing to do with nine eleven we're talking about iraq where hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians have died since two thousand and three america's been in constant war since nine eleven in different countries are we talking about one of the most profound overreactions in military history to talk about that i'm joined by colonel lawrence wilkerson whose service call in powell as chief of staff collin powell secretary of state under george w. bush colonel wilkerson thank you so much for joining me thanks for having me more than six thousand american servicemen have died in the last decade of war spawned by the nine eleven attack. tragedy worth remembering and knowing no doubt but why in all those speeches deliv

he gets 1 in character. >> host: george w. bushame out very recently, you have in ranked tied with jimmy carter. george w. bush, 3 in character. >> guest: maybe as papers come out and his files we will see a little more. the family saga -- won't call it dallas. who will carry father's mantle and why did he want to be president? what gold did he want to achieve? it is very unclear. i take him at his word that he became a new person after the crisis in his time and also he lost out on a lot and wasn't a detention when he was going to yale and other places. there is reason for seeking the presidency that we need to know more about. he gets a couple in completes. we don't know how afghanistan will turn out. we don't know how iraq is going to turn out. i do give him credit for saying margaret thatcher was right. this was a nation formed on an idea all people were created equal and how dare we accept the notion that everyone but muslims -- that was his speech. no one ever said that before. it doesn't mean you do it with a tank. doesn't m

big mistake from coming from george bush. who was the. i'm president of the united states going to stand there was no subject it was a kind of normal defense because everybody you happen to know that. kind of territory which was the protection given by the taliban in afghanistan so a lot of countries followed the united states normally in the normal way of solidarity in afghanistan was totally different in a way the war in iraq was what the hoped george bush would do because. that from the war in iraq would create sort of a couse. a low to low him to rise generations of terrorists and that was nearly what happened with the war in iraq so it was a complete mistake and very dangerous mistake for the united states. kind of totally different. even if we knew. because we saw so many years ago the soviet army in afghanistan that afghanistan is such a country that cannot be can quit and which is very very difficult and. there will be no solution with pakistan on one hand on the other hand. ok well looking at the perspectives of people especially

quickly and included nations that had nothing to do with nine eleven terrorists they were defined by george bush as the axis of evil some of these regimes have been pretty quiet since september the eleventh but we know that actual nature north korea is a regime arming with missiles and weapons of mass destruction while starving its citizens iran aggressively pursues these weapons and exports terror while an unelected few repress the iranian people's hope for freedom. if you back and change the chart to show us to lead toward america and to support terror two years after nine eleven the us invaded iraq on the grounds that he had weapons of mass destruction and was doing business with al qaida grounds which proved to be fobs hundreds of thousands of iraqi civilians have died since the invasion they used the moment in in the wake of nine eleven to divert from afghanistan a real target should have been our real target and go to iraq would also was the low hanging fruit north korea was part more dangerous too difficult hundred thousand casualties. on both sides seoul would be destroyed iran was too d

george w. bush opened the session. his remarks, former secretary of state condoleezza rice delivered the keynote address. she highlighted u.s. commitment to global help, including programs enacted during the bush administration. this is about 20 minutes. >> one of the greatest secretary of state's ever. she understands that in order to heal human suffering, america must lead. that means the congress must lead. that means that corporate america must lead. must lead.that ngo's that is what this conference is really setting. we understand the obligations and the call. somebody understands that as well as anybody is our dear friend, condoleezza rice. [applause] >> thank you. thank you very much. it is a pleasure to join you here for this very important affirmation of the importance of the global health crisis that we face and america's role. i would like to thank president bush and mrs. laura bush. the first lady was an amazing partner in our diplomacy from everything from advocating for people of the freedom to the health

george george w. bush, wtever he... excuse me, george w. bush had a way in these debates to make... people liked him. he came over as a likable human being. and people like to like their president. and r people who are kind of waivering anleaning one way or another or undecided, they're looking for a reason to vote for somebody, that can be a reason alone. >> rose: a confirming thing. >> it sure can. >> rose:o you would advise a candidate-- even though you've never been in the advice business-- >> (laughs) you're trying, charlie, you're trying. >> rose: what have you got to worry about him? i mean, let's get to know you. >> oh, right, okay. well, here's the advice i have to all candidates and i include the republican candidates who are doing debates now. >> rose: all right >> answer the question. >> rose: hello, michele. >> what has happened with these candidates whether they're nominees or whether they want to be nominees what they do is... what is your position on whether or not we should reform social security. well, they ask... they don't answer it. that go to somewhere else and