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joining me now, conservative lawyer george conway. threat assessment says in the coming months we expect the threat environment to become more dynamic as several high profile events could be exploited to justify acts of violence against a range of possible targets. how concerned are you that we could see another moment of mob violence like the one we saw on january 6th? i think we might have just lost george conway's signal. all right. we'll take a quick break, get george conway back up, stay with us. problem so lve together, and find the answer that was right under their nose. or... his nose. "peace of mind." such a big, beautiful idea. and for us at booking.com this means - free cancellation on most bookings. it's a bit functional. but we'll gladly be functional. so you can be free. booking.com booking.yeah ♪ ♪ 100 years ago, a beautiful empire built on black excellence was booming. black wall street. it was a sight to be seen. until one day, it was all burned to the ground. but fire is no match for the fire within black dreamers ev

it was a george conway tweet five days after george had taken his name out of consideration for veryump to head up the civil division of the department of justice. george had already gone to see his office. was already interviewing staff for that position. he was all in like i was for trump/pence. and i said to sean, but george doesn't tweet. you know, in 2016, known as the year of the tweet, george conway sent zero tweets. now sent over 100,000. he can change his mind about donald trump. this is a free country. giorgios no allegiance to a political party or presidential candidate. but his vows to me i feel were broken because we were all in. you know, i also write in the book, michael, that people like to say without kellyanne conway, donald trump would not have gotten elected president of the united states. that's debatable. but without george conway urging with not insisting me his wife to take that campaign management job and helping out with more with the kids and home, i don't see i could be the campaign manager the level i was. george was my partner. >> the book is 500 pages l

i know there was a george because it was killing in fitzpatrick and then she became kellying conway. so something happened clearly. that's something was george. so i got the back story on george george also went to a law school. he's a lawyer like kelly and conway. he worked at a very prestigious firm. he was a partner. he was wealthy and well off, but you're also wealthy and well off. what a beautiful life in virginia while he had a beautiful life in new york sports sort of brought you two together. first of all, i was a little jealous of all the games. she went to i'm not gonna talk about that. but seriously, i mean the man took you to all of the best games and that just the world series, but the super bowl i mean, come on he has good taste. yes, and he treated you very well. but this is also in addition, you know, you're married you're in love, but i'm reading about the the pregnancy but the twins right? i've never been pregnant but here george throws a party and then announce that i yeah a mother's day that you two were expecting twins how and then he was in the hospital he was wi

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i know we want to go to george conway. joe, i'll let you go, but i'd like to add into this that what we're seeing so far, even though some of the hearings are in the morning while people are working, it seems like there is a great deal of interest in them. more than i expected, actually. >> well, a lot more than any of us expected. the numbers, again, the other day for the networks that carried it, very large. george conway, there is quite an interest. my gosh, again, it's -- this is all so obvious. you look at loudermilk. it's very obvious he is lying. you look at what trump is saying to john karl. obvious he is lying. the records show, all the accounts show that he is lying about pence. again, this is compelling television because it is a very compelling hearing because we seem to learn -- or at least get confirmation of what we expected all along. except, well, it is actually a little worse than what we expected, isn't it? >> that's right. we're seeing it with our own eyes. it is one thing to read about the accounts of

new reporting on the republican plan for election day chaos, in a key battleground state, and george conway on a new effort to overturn the election. as republicans gather to prepare and launch benghazi style attacks on joe biden, how another one of their phony investigations just collapsed. >> what about the unmasking of america? >> why has there been such limited coverage of the flynn on masking? >> who can believe a thing like? this >> went all in starts right now. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes, in the one week since the shooting in uvalde, there's been 18 more mass shootings in this country, and tonight we come on the air with news of, another just breaking it was in tulsa oklahoma and saint francis hospital, inside the hospital according to the tulsa police, it started earlier this afternoon asked -- there have been multiple injuries and three confirmed fatalities, police have also confirmed the shooters death. this evening, the tulsa police captain describe the scene is catastrophic. he said officers were going from florida florida room to room, rescuing people making

george conway's himself a conservative lawyer and former republican, he joins me now. george, let's start with the role that luttig has played in his testimony tomorrow. i find myself watching bill barr, and some of these people and almost giving myself eye strain from how hard i'm rolling my eyes. and now they tell us, luttig is in a different category, he was called upon to do this. what do you anticipate will hear from him? >> well, i agree with you, chris, i really want to hear this testimony. i think it's gonna be a blockbuster moment. these hearings. and the reason is, that mike luttig, was a conservative judicial icon, he was leading the people in the supreme court, he was the judge that really all young conservative lawyers really looked up to. most of his law clerks went on to clerk for the supreme court as you mention, much of those law clerk to supreme court, clerk for justice scalia, and justice thomas. so luttig was, one of justice calmly as early as law clerks when justice scalia was on the court of appeals. if you took a poll, he was on the shortlist, in

george conway, you can talk about that if you'd like. i mean, i'd love to hear your overview of the hearing, though, but, man, barr, what a fascinating, what a fascinating character study in just corruption. >> well, it is amazing because, i mean, you know, the fact he would say that he'd still vote for the guy is utterly amazing. the irony is he did it more than the other ones did. because he actually did go out on december 1st, and he invited that "ap" reporter to lunch to say there was no "there" there in the election. got him in trouble with donald trump, and he yelled at him, "you must hate trump." he did that, i guess, at the behest, at least it was said in one of the books, of mitch mcconnell, who was afraid of the georgia run-offs. again, it's still not good enough. i mean, all these other people remained silent and did not say, this has got to stop for the sake of the republic. to claire's point, it wasn't just in december 2020. this is the four-year story of the trump administration. pretending that this guy wasn't incompetent

. >>> george conway, contributing columnist for the "washington post," george, thanks so much for being with us. you were serving as counsel to the january 6th committee pat cipollone sits down for a transcribed interview, what do you ask him? >> well, i basically ask him everything that happened on january 6th. i ask him specifically about the things that cassidy hutchinson said, including the statement by mr. cipollone, according to hutchinson, that he was fearful that we would be charged with everything under the sun if they allowed donald trump to go up to capitol hill. so there is a lot to ask him, there's going to be a lot to ask whether or not he had given donald trump warnings about his potential criminal liability and much a full accounting of that day is absolutely -- absolutely requires cipollone. >> and then what's the impact of that, george, depending on what he says and how far he goes? >> well, i mean, the impact could be to reinforce cassidy hutchinson's testimony because that went up -- that testimony went a long way to establishing donald trump's criminal intent. let m

is that without george conway encouraging insisting me to take my shot as hamilton and eminem tell usall to do. to take my shot in 2016 and say yes to that campaign manager manager offer and position that donald trump offered that gave me. i could not have been campaign manager that level because george said i'll help more with the kids you have to do this. he can actually win with you kellyanne and george had witnessed a lot of the new boys network in the republican consultancy a walking rico violation of folks always giving each other money on the gravy train. he had witnessed many them denying me and sidelining me and trying to diminish me. he had heard my pitch so many times. so what i would do if i had ever gotten my shot he said here it is. take your shot. and afterwards heirs every sunday night on c-span 2 at 10 pm, or you can watch it online at booktv.org. well, thanks for joining us on about books a reminder that this podcast and all other podcasts produced by c-span are available on the c-span now app or wherever you get your podcasts. if youwell during the past few s elemen

appreciate it. >>> coming up next, george conway's point about the state of mind, the president's state of mind, word that the former president is watching the hearings and he, quote, wants to draw blood. we'll tell you from whom. the reporting on that ahead. >>> later, a closer look at what we learned today about the danger to mike pence from a journalist who's done extensive reporting on his security situation that day. hrough the hd times and the good ♪ ♪ i have to celebrate you, baby ♪ ♪ i have to praise you like i should ♪ the all-new mercedes-amg sl. ♪ ♪ the star is reborn. at mint mobile, we like to do the opposite of what big wireless does. they charge you a lot, we charge you a little. they put their names on arenas, we put ours on my lower back. so naturally when they announced they would be raising their prices due to inflation, we decided to deflate our prices, due to not hating you. and if this were one of their ads, they would end it here with a "happy customer". so, we'll end ours with an angry goat. oh ho ho, look at the angry goat. >>> before the hearings began today, t

george conway's a prominent conservative lawyer and former member of the without can party. george, it's good to have you on tonight. what do you think of this decision? as unsurprising as it may be? the calculation behind it and what it means? >> well, it is a simple calculation of economics and what they are selling to their viewers. i mean, fox news and sean hannity have both said that sean is not a journalist. and with this decision shows that fox news is not a news organization. news organizations broadcast hearings that are important to the life of the country, and important to the history of the country. that is why, as you point out, the army mccarthy hearings will broadcast. and the watergate hearings were broadcast. and it was during the iran contra hearings, those were broadcast. and the fox news channel broadcast the benghazi hearings. they were not that important. but they are refusing to broadcast this hearing, and these hearings involve, essentially, an attempt to overthrow democracy. that is more important than what mccarthy's red baiting red baiting was -- it

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it is not extraordinary to george conway.r whole life and loved their own country. >> loved this country. >> it's just the right thing to do. i think that's what liz cheney would tell you. and the fact that it's been described as churchillian, the fact that it is being described as extraordinary says a lot about liz cheney. i think it says a lot more about just how intellectually and morally bankrupt liz's party is. >> well, you know, joe, i mean, january 6th, just to cite one day that we're talking about here this morning, shows that there was an extraordinary absence of courage, political courage, and there was an extraordinary semblance and an arrival of character among some people. liz cheney is specifically included in that as having character. general mark milley has character. character is an all-important function in people who are supposedly in charge of our government. liz cheney's role in this was defined, i think, for all time last night by her comment that, you know, you'll live in dishonor forever. i don't remem

. >>> and with more on this let's bring in george conway, attorney and contributing columnist for thewashington post." there's been so much frustration by trump critics who wonder why he isn't held accountable, but the committee is making it clear that is their intention, that they are going to hold him accountable. >> that's absolutely right. and representative cheney's remarkable statement was essentially an opening statement for a prosecution of donald trump. you could -- if you were a prosecutor and you were looking for a model to use in a case against him to go in front of a jury, you would have used that. and that's what she was -- she's trying to make the case that, again, those two criminal statutes that she was referring to, 18 us c371, 18 usc 1512 were both violated. what's great about what they did last night is they didn't just make it about january 6, they made it about everything that happened apart from what happened on january 6, the pressure on pence, the pressure on state legislatures and state officials and the attempt to corrupt the justice department. that's part

somebody that he thought was bad shit, and that is really amazing to me. >> denver riggle mapp, george conwayappreciate it. >>> coming up, psychologist, author and niece mary trump on the question that looms so much over today's hearing. the conversation tonight, does her uncle actually believe what he's been spreading, the lies he's been spreading? >>> later, senator chris murphy on the bipartisan gun compromise that he helped broker and where it may go from here. a landscaper. a hunter. because you didn't settle for ordinary. same goes for your equipment. versatile, powerful, durable kubota equipment. more goes into it. so you get more out of it. a monster was attacking but the team remained calm. because with miro, they could problem solve together, and find the answer that was right under their nose. or... his nose. bipolar depression. it made me feel trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda wa

today, i'm glad to welcome george conway as being the guest onset. an attorney and a contributing columnist for the washington post. you just heard some of his speech from yesterday. it is the same nastiness, overwhelming a toxicity. even after we have seen some powerful evidence from these testimonies of the 16 hearings. why is that? nothing has changed. >> someone should tell him that he has the wrote my right to remain silent and anything he says can and will be used against him in a court of law. just let him keep talking. he is still admitting that he put pressure on mike pence to do something that was illegal. frankly, although he is not president, if he was president he would be doing what he did a few years ago like a dangling pardons to people. >> he talks about how when he becomes president he might get pardons. >> he is not president. i do not think he will get elected president again. it is a witness tampering, a little bit. >> he is dangling the opportunity for people to not cooperate, not testified, to be able to get a pardon. >> it kil

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let's bring in george conway, contributing columnist for "the washington post." george, your reaction to the online going durham investigation. where is this headed next? >> i hope to the trash can. the justice department should put an end to this ridiculous investigation now. this case was a joke. the entire durham investigation was a joke. there's nothing here to begin with. the jury found it was a joke because the jury came out after a verdict, after a six-hour deliberation, basically said there was nothing here. this case never should have been brought. i mean, he was accused of lying about whether or not he was there on behalf of any client. well, if i say i'm here -- i'm not here on behalf of any dog, it doesn't mean i don't have a dog. it's just silly. i mean, it was just just designed to throw a bunch of stuff out in the public domain to get people excited. again, it was just a side show. s the whole alfa bank thing, about the trade and transmission or searches for web addresses. i mean, it wasn't spying. it was stuff that internet people look at all the t

without george conway encouraging, insisting me to take my shot in 2016 and say yes the campaign manager position donald trump gave me, i could not have been because george said i'll help more with the kids, you have to do this. george had witnessed a lot of the new boys network and the violation of folks doing to their money, he witnessed many of them sidelining me and trying to diminish me, he heard my pitch so many times so what i would do if i had got my shot, he said here it is, take your shot. >> "afterwards" is a weekly interview program of the guest hosts interviewing top nonfiction authors about their data's work. watch this program and others, visit booktv.org/"afterwards" or search the author's name, kellyanne conway. [cheering] >> you know who our guest speaker is so i'm not goingem to opine about his qualifications, credentials and achievements which are both impressive and far too numerous to mention. so i would likeew to say just a few things that might have escaped your notice. if you're anything like me when you saw this video, you realize there's probably aside to james

i know there was a george because it was kelly and fitzpatrick and she became kellyanne conway. i got the back story on george. george also went to law school, he's a lawyer with kellyanne conway. he worked at a prestigious firm. he was wealthy and well-off but you were also wealthy and d well off with a beautiful wife in virginia. of course that brought you two together. we were jealous of all the games you went to. i'm not going totalk about that . seriously, the man took you to all of the best games and not just the world series but the super bowl. come on, he has good taste and he treated you very well. but this is also an in addition you're married. you're in love. i'm reading about the pregnancy, about the twins. i've never been pregnant. you've got announcing that on mother's day that you two were expecting twins. and then he was in the hospital. he was with you atevery birth . barely made it at the last y birth. but this is your friend, your husband. your confidant. and you know, , it's a little painful as an outsider. i never involved in anyone's marriage, thank god . i'

george conway's a former republican back in march and responded to the release of this new memo.iece in the washington post that trump probably committed a. crime the department justice can't ignore that and he joins me now. we have a big reveal of what this memo was and it is quite granular in how they envisioned this coup being pulled off. 40 impressions of it? >> the judge is absolutely right to order a release. claude completely overturn the election. it had the electoral -- it is vice president. there's even a sentence or a phrase in the memo that says, any of the outcome sketched above seems preferable to allow the counts act to operate by its terms. they're basically saying do anything but allow the law to operate -- so, this is absolutely an attempt to undermine and instruct official proceedings alone. it was an attempt to defraud the united states. false pretenses interfering with the lawful function of government. this is important to remember. it's part of a multifaceted conspiracy minister the people that, make until all the january six. to get them to go up on the hi

attorney and contributor for "the washington post" george conway. and politics and journalist professor at morgan state university, politics editor at the grio, and an msnbc political contributor jason johnson. really good to have you all on board. the first witness in yesterday's hearing, arizona's conservative republican house speaker rusty bowers offered dramatic testimony about the pressure he faced from the president and rudy giuliani and other trump allies to help in the effort to overturn the 2020 election results. >> mr. giuliani came on first and niceties. then mr. trump, then president trump, came on. and they initiated a conversation. >> during that conversation, did you ask mr. giuliani for proof of these allegations of fraud that he was making? >> on multiple occasion, yes. he said that they did have proof. i asked him do you have names -- for example, you have 200,000 illegal immigrants, some large number. 5,000, 6,000, dead people, et cetera. i said do you have their names? yes. will you give them to me? yes. the president interrupted

i want to bring in now attorney george conway and doug jones, a former democratic senator from alabama. thanks so much. appreciate you joining us this evening. george, tomorrow's hearing will focus on trump's pressure campaign on mike pence. we'll hear from greg jacob and michael lutting. >> i think greg jacob is going to bring some dramatic testimony about his communications directly with john eastman particularly on january 6th and also, you know, he's going to be able to describe in detail a lot of the pressure that was put on his boss, vice president pence, by then-president trump. judge lutting is a different kind of witness. he's going to be more a legal witness because he's going to be testifying about the advice he gave to vice president pence of what the eastman plan was all about was an illegal scheme to contravene the constitution. and i think his testimony is going to be quite compelling and quite dramatic because he is a conservative legal icon. he was somebody on the short list for the supreme court about 15 to 17 years ago. he is just revered -- he was revered in conserv

and senior political adviser george conway. and senior political contributor. david axelrod, what was the -- ? >> well look, clinically. the revelation that in the president's presence, the person who was advising him on the strategy acknowledge that it was illegal. and that the president pressed heavy with it. and was quite a revelation. the fact that, the degree to which he knowingly unleashed this violence on his own vice president was a revolution. but anderson, this was some one thing that really struck me. it was a conversation that eastman recorded, his last conversation with pence. knowing all of this, knowing that they were asking pence to do something unconstitutional. something illegal. he called pence a wimp or worse. for not going along. and this is been the concern about donald trump's very beginning. it's not about his policy positions. i disagree with many of them. it's that he doesn't believe with rules, laws, norms, institutions. he believes that people who do are suckers. and he resents that pence, in history, was being a wimp am a sucker ins

. >> here to discuss, cnn's special correspondent jamie gangel and george conway, conservative lawyeruting columnist for "the washington post." let me start with this clear contradiction. the january 6th committee wrote a letter to loudermilk about this footage. he's asking because the group is taking photos and recording areas of the complex that are not typically of interest to tourists including hallways and staircases and security checkpoints. i have been on capitol hill for decades and you don't see people taking pictures of staircases. and he also noted the group stayed for, quote, several hours. but u.s. capitol police said in a letter on monday that they, quote, did not consider any of the activities observed as suspicious. that seems interesting, that contradiction. >> i think there are semantics going on here. we hear about capitol complex and capitol. i think we have a lot more to learn about what's going on. i also think it's true that two things can be true at the same time. they may have been doing things that are suspicious, that they shouldn't have been doing, and mayb

judge luttig point to them, george conway pointed to them. willful ignorance of the facts doesn't count. you can't sap, i chose to believe i got more votes even though all the facts point the other way. you can't be an ostrich and have the defense. the other is willful ignorance of the law. regardless of who got the most votes, we have a legal process in place for determining whose electoral votes should be certified. that's the process the president has now confessed messing with by trying to get pence to interfere with it and make it into sort of a do-over. that's not what the law says. if the president says, well, i'm not a lawyer, i didn't understand that. even a fourth grader understands that our system isn't set up to have one person, let alone the vice president who has a stake in the matter, decide that we need a do-over. >> laurence tribe, we always appreciate having you on. thank you. >>> well, hopefully you didn't experience the travel nightmares this weekend, but this morning airlines are trying to get back on track after a weeken

at the top of our show, at 6:00 hour, on the east coast, we had george conway talk about how the justice department obviously was paying attention last night because there appear to be so much evidence they could ultimately not point to other people around donald trump, but to directly at donald trump himself for leading a conspiracy. >> absolutely, joe. what we are seeing in terms of how this is being played out in public is the committee is playing to two different audiences. they're playing to the jury of public opinion, number one, and they're playing to the doj number two. if you look at the language in a liz cheney and chairman thompson used when they were giving their statements, they laid this out like an opening statement in a trial because they are -- they know that the doj is paying attention and they trying to give the doj as much as possible to make the decisions to move forward with criminal charges with people who should be responsible. and as you pointed out, the one difference now that everything has come together and coming out as part of the public hearings is that it

[ laughter ] in her new memoir, former trump adviser kellyanne conway writes that her husband george conway'sacks against the administration were, "sneaky, almost sinister," and it's honestly why she fell in love with him all over again. conway also writes that former president trump was "a feminist who repeatedly supported and promoted her." said trump, "thanks, maryanne. [ laughter ] new york mayor eric adams is reportedly thinking about running for president in 2024 if president biden does not seek re-election. dude, have you seen what happens to new york city mayors who run for president? it has - [ laughter ] -- about the same success rate as asking out the barista. during a parade over the weekend in new york, rudy giuliani called a heckler a brainwashed ass[bleep] who is probably as "demented as president biden. said an aide, "that's a sky dancer." [ laughter ] former - "why are you waving your arms around?" [ laughter ] former vice president mike pence said in a new interview that he's open to running for president in 2024. i mean, so many people at the capitol were telling him to. "y

senior technical adviser to the select committee, denver riggleman, also conservative attorney george conway. what does it say this whole thing was partially borne out of an allegedly inebriated rudy giuliani on election night? >> well, you're very fortunate to have an expert like myself not only in data analytics and counterterrorisms, but i own distilleries. so i can talk about people that look like they're inebriated. what's amazing is you don't need to be inebriated to hear the kind of crazy that was coming out of rudy giuliani's mouth and even today. i've been -- you know, sadly, a lot of distillery conversations with people are ineven rated and i still haven't heard anything as crazy as the stuff i've heard today. i've been on the committee for some time and there's things i'm not going to talk about. but when you talk about rudy giuliani and the people actually grifting off of this, i'm going to tell you this. everybody had a money motive here. i think when you saw the financial individual, amanda, talk about the $250 million, i think that's the floor. when you talk about conspiracy t

. >>> and with more on this let's bring in george conway attorney and contributing columnist for theeporting there. what are you expecting there with members now of bannon's inner circle so this is getting very close to him being subpoenaed? >> he is a busy guy and has big problems. i mean, if you commit an interstate fraud by mail or the internet you can be prosecuted not just by the federal government, by any of the 50 states where people who were being solicited, being defrauded are. and so he can be prosecuted in new york and he's got these people who -- his co-conspirators are pleading guilty or pled guilty in federal court, they have every reason to implicate him and cooperate with the state prosecutors because they could use that with the federal prosecutors to get a better sentence, get a better sentence recommendation and a judge would probably consider that in reducing their sentences or not giving them a higher sentence. he has big problems. >> do you think he's likely to be charged here? >> well, i mean, i don't know what the evidence is, it really does depend on the evid

about your relationship with i think as you describeyo it, the two men in your life, your husband george conway, who you said in the book was at times in the other room in your home plotting against you donaldr boss, president trump, who's had some things to say about your book since it's come out. tell me about your relationship with both of them. well, george and i have been married for more than two decades. we have four children together and george like me accepted a job in the trump administration. he was going to be the head of the civil division of the department of justicede. we moved to washington as a family, as a couple. we agreed to do that . he was decided when donald trump was when he was very proud of his wife and he also was very supportive of some of the toughest moments during the twenty sixteen campaign. it was george drive me to trumpc tower down the street hereamo the day after access hollywood, the day of that debate in st. louis encouraging me bucking up with my person and heis can change his mind. his views are not to donald trump or anyone president or political party,

. >> as george conway said yesterday, for whatever problems, we all may have, anybody may have with people that were trump's lawyers over four years, this country is -- should be very grateful that there were more donohues than there were giulianis. that there were more hirschmans than there were clarks. and i must say, again, it's not being melodramatic, you had a president who tried to encourage a mob to kill his vice president, this was a moment where you had americans stand up and put the future, patriotic americans, put the future of the country over their political party. and that, as robert frost once wrote, has made all the difference. >> yeah, and remember, jeffrey rosen was the pick after bill barr. in other words, donald trump thought that he was installing one of his guys with jeffrey rosen and richard donohue would help him along as he pursued these conspiracy theories and an election that had been stolen by him, none of which were true as both donohue and rosen played out in great detail yesterday, and we'll someplace some of that, as they shot down every theory that donald t

let's bring in cnn senior legal analyst laura coates and george conway. that matter, do you think? >> absolutely. remember, up till now we have been wondering what he was doing at the time but what he knew and when he knew it. if he really believes he have either, a, relying on his attorney john eastman's memo to say he had the right to do this or unclear about what he was promoting was fraudulent, he might have a leg to stand on. t there's the idea of defraudsing the united states to stop an official proceeding. if he knew he was fraudulent, he knew it was part of the big lie and was the big lie then you have a criminal intention notion here. that's important because we are the audience in the court of the electorate. you have the department of justice looking to figure out what do you know, what can you prove to suggest it was criminal intent and it wasn't somebody just hoping and just believing and relying on lawyer but really knew, i am engaging in behavior that is intended to defraud the american electorate to try to have me remain in office. that's

george conway, i mean, stunning that they are able to find people who will subvert the will of the americanthe justice department willing to do this. >> absolutely. and it doesn't matter what these two witnesses think about whether or not donald trump broke the law. the question is, it will be up to a court of law if there's an indictment to figure out how the law applies. and to me, the two -- obviously hirshman thought what they were asking, what trump was asking was a violation of the law. but the two key points here are, the one you mentioned just a couple of minutes ago about just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congressmen, trump said that. is a brazen statement. it had nothing to do with the justice department's proper role in enforcing any federal law. it was basically asking the justice department to engage in a purely political act. and then the draft letter from clark, it wasn't about the justice department engaging, in enforcing federal law. it was urging state legislators to reconsider their slates of electors. these were political

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